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That's what Tom Lehrer says!

On 17 July I took this image of sunflowers, including the roll of straw for some foreground interest. I don't claim it be be a masterpiece of fine art, but I was happy with it and I posted it on my Flickr site.

Olympus M1/1. Oly 12-40mm

Olympus M1/1. Oly 12-40mm

Then on 23 July, the image below was posted on the web site of the local camera club [I am not a member]. Is this just a flook, or did somebody see me in the field with my camera, or did someone look at my Flickr site? Who knows.

[ATTACH alt="NOT MY IMAGE. Lifted from the site of the "Objectif Duras" camera club. "]1711057[/ATTACH]
NOT MY IMAGE. Lifted from the site of the "Objectif Duras" camera club.

Now my image is nothing too exciting, but I think the image above is dreadful. It makes me reach for the sick bucket. In my humble opinion, almost everything about it is wrong.

Now you may realise why I am not a member of that camera club, because the image was made by one of the stalwarts of the club.

Should I be flattered? Or just regard the image similarity as a fluke.

Is copying someone elses images or ideas as closely as this an ok thing to do?

Ken C
 

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As they say

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Interesting. Since it's not an outright theft (claiming authorship of your file) the worst scenario I can conjure is someone inspired by yours and who knows the area went forth to re-create it or perhaps recast it in their own way (the more charitable interpretation).

The vertical angle is different and the sky has clouds (or is cloned in) and of course there's the heavy processing, which detracts to my eye.

Or, it might also be a very unlikely coincidence.

Cheers,

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Be flattered. Different clouds so likely different day. You likely inspired someone 😃

i have a very similar shot from Yellowstone of a single tree in winter landscape. I have seen the near identical shot many times in the past 10 years
 
This is just weird...why would someone do this? Very strange....
 
A careful analysis of the images shows that they were shot from a slight different perspective and hence are two separate images.

Kodak used to publish a field guide to the national parks with notes on exactly where to set up your tripod to get the iconic shots.

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The camera angle in the second is lower than in the first. Clouds are different but could be due to processing.

Different photos!
 
I'd be flattered, apart from the terrible processing. Some of my shots have been inspired by the work of others, although I like to find my own interpretation.

Tree-sky-field is pretty generic:



The Lonely Tree on the M42

The Lonely Tree on the M42



Not the tree but nowhere to park - frustration shot

Not the tree but nowhere to park - frustration shot



Bradgate Park

Bradgate Park

And hay bales are an anchor point of choice



Nanpantan - another frustration shot

Nanpantan - another frustration shot



Andrew

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It's possible but the shot is also a very obvious composition (near and far subjects placed at opposite corners of rule of thirds). If you sent 100 people with some basic knowledge of composition to the same spot I expect you would get at least 50 almost identically composed photos.
 
Look carefully at the flower patterns. Quite different. Not the same photo, processed or not.
 
same/similar place of shooting, but not same days, as can be seen in the sunflower field. It's the same tree, so the place is the same. Do you know it is taken AFTER your shot? Public space/nature: we all have access to it , so of course many shots will be alike, but to say the person who took this was inspired bu you one must know: the shot is later than yours, and know the photographers intentions.
 
As others have written, it's very clearly a different perspective and thus not plagarism at all. At worst, someone was inspired by your work to then do their own take on it.

Though independent creation is certainly possible too. Frankly, the counterpoints of the hay bale and tree are something many folks are likely to consider in their composition. While I don't know how accessible that spot was, if the tree-on-the-hill and the field-full-of-sunflowers and the uncovered-roller-bales are all visible to someone driving down the road, it's easy to imagine a photographer stopping then or coming back when the lighting was favorable.

Don't care for the processing though.
 
To all: yes I realise it is not the same image as mine, just another image from the same position.

I didn't post this out of frustration in any way, I just thought it was interesting that somebody sought out the same spot, way out in the back roads, and took almost the same image. But as somebody said, the composition is pretty obvious if you dump a bunch of photogs in the same spot. But this is a remote spot about 5 km from any town.

I will be charitable and just say that great minds think alike. [Some say that fools seldom differ].

Thanks for all your comments

Ken C
 
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Ken Croft said:
That's what Tom Lehrer says!

On 17 July I took this image of sunflowers, including the roll of straw for some foreground interest. I don't claim it be be a masterpiece of fine art, but I was happy with it and I posted it on my Flickr site.

Olympus M1/1. Oly 12-40mm

Olympus M1/1. Oly 12-40mm

Then on 23 July, the image below was posted on the web site of the local camera club [I am not a member]. Is this just a flook, or did somebody see me in the field with my camera, or did someone look at my Flickr site? Who knows.

[ATTACH alt="NOT MY IMAGE. Lifted from the site of the "Objectif Duras" camera club."]1711057[/ATTACH]
NOT MY IMAGE. Lifted from the site of the "Objectif Duras" camera club.

Now my image is nothing too exciting, but I think the image above is dreadful. It makes me reach for the sick bucket. In my humble opinion, almost everything about it is wrong.

Now you may realise why I am not a member of that camera club, because the image was made by one of the stalwarts of the club.

Should I be flattered? Or just regard the image similarity as a fluke.

Is copying someone elses images or ideas as closely as this an ok thing to do?

Ken C
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Take it easy and never look back: your poop is somebody food, so let scavengers do their job.

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Well, after reading some comments I want to say that today slightly different point of view does not proof anything. Today software makes not only vignetting, but sky replacement and tilt and shift imitation. I think it is your photo, but guy invest a time in making it look worse than you did.

Cheers

S.

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s_grins said:
Ken Croft said:
That's what Tom Lehrer says!

On 17 July I took this image of sunflowers, including the roll of straw for some foreground interest. I don't claim it be be a masterpiece of fine art, but I was happy with it and I posted it on my Flickr site.

Olympus M1/1. Oly 12-40mm

Olympus M1/1. Oly 12-40mm

Then on 23 July, the image below was posted on the web site of the local camera club [I am not a member]. Is this just a flook, or did somebody see me in the field with my camera, or did someone look at my Flickr site? Who knows.

[ATTACH alt="NOT MY IMAGE. Lifted from the site of the "Objectif Duras" camera club."]1711057[/ATTACH]
NOT MY IMAGE. Lifted from the site of the "Objectif Duras" camera club.

Now my image is nothing too exciting, but I think the image above is dreadful. It makes me reach for the sick bucket. In my humble opinion, almost everything about it is wrong.

Now you may realise why I am not a member of that camera club, because the image was made by one of the stalwarts of the club.

Should I be flattered? Or just regard the image similarity as a fluke.

Is copying someone elses images or ideas as closely as this an ok thing to do?

Ken C
Click to expand...
Take it easy and never look back: your poop is somebody food, so let scavengers do their job.

Edited:

Well, after reading some comments I want to say that today slightly different point of view does not proof anything. Today software makes not only vignetting, but sky replacement and tilt and shift imitation. I think it is your photo, but guy invest a time in making it look worse than you did.

Cheers

S.

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Look closely at the individual sunflowers and their relative positions. Not the same photo. You cannot software individual sunflowers to slightly different relative positions. Not yet.

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tt321 said:
s_grins said:
Ken Croft said:
That's what Tom Lehrer says!

On 17 July I took this image of sunflowers, including the roll of straw for some foreground interest. I don't claim it be be a masterpiece of fine art, but I was happy with it and I posted it on my Flickr site.

Olympus M1/1. Oly 12-40mm

Olympus M1/1. Oly 12-40mm

Then on 23 July, the image below was posted on the web site of the local camera club [I am not a member]. Is this just a flook, or did somebody see me in the field with my camera, or did someone look at my Flickr site? Who knows.

[ATTACH alt="NOT MY IMAGE. Lifted from the site of the "Objectif Duras" camera club."]1711057[/ATTACH]
NOT MY IMAGE. Lifted from the site of the "Objectif Duras" camera club.

Now my image is nothing too exciting, but I think the image above is dreadful. It makes me reach for the sick bucket. In my humble opinion, almost everything about it is wrong.

Now you may realise why I am not a member of that camera club, because the image was made by one of the stalwarts of the club.

Should I be flattered? Or just regard the image similarity as a fluke.

Is copying someone elses images or ideas as closely as this an ok thing to do?

Ken C
Click to expand...
Take it easy and never look back: your poop is somebody food, so let scavengers do their job.

Edited:

Well, after reading some comments I want to say that today slightly different point of view does not proof anything. Today software makes not only vignetting, but sky replacement and tilt and shift imitation. I think it is your photo, but guy invest a time in making it look worse than you did.

Cheers

S.

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
Click to expand...
Look closely at the individual sunflowers and their relative positions. Not the same photo. You cannot software individual sunflowers to slightly different relative positions. Not yet.

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It is so easy... try a "stamp" tool.

Before



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and after



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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
 
s_grins said:
It is so easy... try a "stamp" tool.

Before

3543ee18edf9471fa91f2a70ff8e897f.jpg


and after

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Camera in bag tends to stay in bag...
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Yes it can be done, but it's very obvious where the cloning was done in your example even from the small image view. The OP's copied image I suppose could have been modified similarly but there are many 'new' features in the copy that don't exist in the original if you dig into the details that would have to be created from scratch.
 
OK

The only person who knows the truth is the club member. Let's wait for his input.
 
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