Suggestions to camera manufacturers . . .

I was pointing out that it wasn't all that different in the analogue days. As cameras cannot be upgraded now they could not be upgraded then.

(about the comment on how analogue cameras lasted a life time. yes they did if you were happy with what you had. The same now...)
I guess one thing thing about film cameras is that as new / different film came out, you could switch to it.

So if faster film came out, your camera would then have a more sensitive recording medium! LOL.

So, in a way, it was upgradeable! LOL. :)

But, with the older (less electronic cameras) they could last quite a while. And if something went wrong, maybe we were more likely to get it fixed, rather than just dump it and upgrade.

Take care & Happy Shooting!
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I was pointing out that it wasn't all that different in the analogue days. As cameras cannot be upgraded now they could not be upgraded then.

(about the comment on how analogue cameras lasted a life time. yes they did if you were happy with what you had. The same now...)
I guess one thing thing about film cameras is that as new / different film came out, you could switch to it.

So if faster film came out, your camera would then have a more sensitive recording medium! LOL.

So, in a way, it was upgradeable! LOL. :)

But, with the older (less electronic cameras) they could last quite a while. And if something went wrong, maybe we were more likely to get it fixed, rather than just dump it and upgrade.

Take care & Happy Shooting!
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Yes you could use new films but today we have a greater built in ISO range than ever and RAW plus Photoshop to get the sort of colours we like .

People had their camera fixed because at the time it was less expensive than to buy a new one. Same reason why you don't have your toaster fixed now.

The fact remains that people upgraded during the film days for the same reason they do now : because the newer version have something the older one did not.

Nothing has changed except that we can now do it more often.

When you look at the details, the good old days ..were not as good as we think they were now.
 
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I was pointing out that it wasn't all that different in the analogue days. As cameras cannot be upgraded now they could not be upgraded then.

(about the comment on how analogue cameras lasted a life time. yes they did if you were happy with what you had. The same now...)
I guess one thing thing about film cameras is that as new / different film came out, you could switch to it.

So if faster film came out, your camera would then have a more sensitive recording medium! LOL.

So, in a way, it was upgradeable! LOL. :)

But, with the older (less electronic cameras) they could last quite a while. And if something went wrong, maybe we were more likely to get it fixed, rather than just dump it and upgrade.

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 
Some below are already implemented, partially or fully, but not across all makes. Some are not available anywhere
+1

Great list.

But I have a short time to type, so I'll only pull out one item right now . . .
  • much better softwares from the companies, OR, agreements with different software companies (So, C1 fans can have the camera optimized for C1, LR fans for LR, etc.)
+1

As for working with Lightroom, I was thinking that cameras could let you tag the images in-camera with the 1-5 rating or color coding. Maybe even tag (text) that gets imported into LR.

What other things could be incorporated?

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)

That's a lot of what I'd like to see, off the top of my head
 
This is my very serious hobby horse:

M43: 18x18mm

APS-C: 24x24mm

FF: 36x36mm

Advantages:
  1. no waste of image circle (except for a very small penalty for extremely elongated formats since it's not sensible to have the sensor cover every sqmm of image circle). Thus:
  2. maximum pixels for every aspect ratio.
  3. turning camera between landscape and portrait orientation can be replaced by a button press or switch (ending or at least de-escalating the war between fully articulated and tilt-only displays).
+1

I still like this idea!

My sister's friend is a Professional Photographer and shot my wedding with his Bronica SQ.

Knowing that I was into photography, he let my wife and I crop the shots from the negatives.

He gave us a bunch of masks / frames in different sizes and formats and we were cropping out vertical shots, horizontal shots, 4x6, 5x7, 8x10 shots out of the set of square negatives.

That exercise made me appreciate how versatile the square format is.

And, the square format itself is quite a compelling format!

I guess, the one thing I'm thinking . . . is . . . have we gotten close to the density needed on a sensor to be able to shoot horizontal all the time, and the pull out vertical shots from the horizontal shot when needed?

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 
If a parent picked up a Nikon D750, IMHO that camera could last from the time your kid is born to high school, maybe more.

And, as long as Nikon is servicing them, maybe it'll be worth servicing should you drop it?
You have just hit on the biggest problem camera makers are faced with today.

Every camera made in the last five years is good enough for the needs of 99% of amateur photographers.

The technology has matured, the market is fully saturated with millions of very good cameras, and the actual needs of the amateur photographer hasn't gone up very much since 2012.

But the camera makers need us to upgrade, so they can sell us new cameras. They can't stay in business very long by just repairing their old ones. They need a constant turnover of cameras and lenses.

So how do they get us to upgrade, when we really don't need an upgrade?
  • More features! They keep creating and promoting lots of new wonderful features. All of which sound great on paper, but might not be something we really need. But if they can make enough of us think we really need 4K video, weather sealing, or 50 MP sensors, then they can make a sale.
  • Better performance! Everyone likes having built in WIFI, better touchscreens, having two card slots, having a really good EVF, or having 400 focus points for faster AF. Whether we actually need these things is problematic, as long as we think we need them. Everything is better, except the image quality we get from our holiday snaps. That part is still the same, but if we want the latest and greatest, we can buy it.
  • More stylish or fashionable cameras! This runs the gamut from buying a Leica for prestige or simply buying a Fujifilm because it evokes a Leica M3. Or even buying an Olympus OMD because it reminds us of our beloved Olympus OM-1. (The truth is, very few people actually owned a film Pen F, so there isn't much nostalgia appeal there.)
The bottom line here is that the camera makers are really screwed. Especially since their mass market customers born during the film era are dying off, and being replaced by younger people who would rather visit places for the sheer adventure, than devote any effort to photographing it.

The camera makers will always have the high end user. But this is a small slice of the overall pie. It really isn't that easy to get snapshooters to spend $2,000 on a new camera when their old one works fine, and they actually prefer using their smartphones instead.

The whole paradigm has shifted. And this has profound consequences for camera makers. More brands might disappear from the marketplace, and there might be more consolidation in the future.
 
voice memoing for metadata fields that can't be easily automated.

Metadata is one of my major bete noirs. Yes, in batch processing one can have expanded metadata applied to all selected images, or all the images from a shoot, & etc.

But once you get away from "all" images, or even a bunch of selected ones, then metadata and its management is a real chore. At my museum, there is a full time person who manages our images (and more), and who does metadata.

In the field, there are many times when I want to append notes to images---used to do that in pencil on film holders, and with post-its on the exposed holders. Much harder with roll films.

So, now I want to use the recorder either in my camera, or in my phone (coupled with the remote app) to be able to append information.

You'd need to set this up with your voice, but that's tech that exists and that we use now with phones & etc. Let me do it with my camera, and let that go seamlessly into the metadata fields that then go into the processing program(s) of my choosing.
 
How about a consistent battery grip design?

It seems that a battery grip is specifically designed to fit only one camera body. :( It may fit one or two, or maybe a subsequent body (Like the grip on the Pentax K10d fit on the Pentax K20 . . . I think. LOL.)

But . . . what if the body design was made so that the battery grip would last a long series of body designs? And it could accept modules?
Batteries and in this case specifically a battery grip , come up often enogh and for a good reason.

As a consumer it does annoy me that for example I have two types of batteries that are identical in size except for the contact location.

However there are some good reasons why generally batteries are not of a standard size.

Let's start with the grip.

Very simply : size and cosmetic.

The grip that is the right size and look good now, it will not in a few years time.



Camera design typically starts like this :

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That is a 1:1 mock up. So it is the exact size/shape/look of the final product.

Now the various design teams get to work to provide the bits that will fit inside it to make it work.

Many parts will be existing stuff, like shutters , others will be custom made. The more custom made parts the higher the cost.

Some space needs to be left for the battery compartment, however the other parts will pretty much dictate what size battery will fit in there.

Another version is a camera like this :



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that is a generic product that happens to be sold with the Minolta brand on it.

Some will recognise a Nikon version, here is another one :



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because these cameras are sold, with minor detail changes, by various brands, the battery has to be the same or very similar in size.

This (re-branding) is a lot more common than most brand fans would expect.

BTW, sad to see the Minolta brand going that way....
 
More weather sealed primes. I came from 4/3 to M4/3 and now to Nikon and it seems all but a novelty to manufacturers to weather seal primes to match their weather sealed bodies.

I live in the desert and dust is a huge problem and being dry static and electronics seem to attract it even more.

Just a little ask.
 
How about a consistent battery grip design?

It seems that a battery grip is specifically designed to fit only one camera body. :( It may fit one or two, or maybe a subsequent body (Like the grip on the Pentax K10d fit on the Pentax K20 . . . I think. LOL.)

But . . . what if the body design was made so that the battery grip would last a long series of body designs? And it could accept modules?
Batteries and in this case specifically a battery grip , come up often enogh and for a good reason.

As a consumer it does annoy me that for example I have two types of batteries that are identical in size except for the contact location.

However there are some good reasons why generally batteries are not of a standard size.
+1

Yes.

Since we are getting away from non-chargeable batteries to rechargeable batteries, manufacturers are not locked into designing around a standard battery size / shape.

I guess in the old days, with the film cameras, we'd go to the camera store and really appreciate having our cameras use a standard size battery so that chances are, we could get a replacement from the camera store whenever we needed it.

Maybe like the CR2 batteries. I think those are the ones that were used in the Pentax autofocus cameras.

Although, I think Pentax had a battery grip that plugged into the Pentax cameras to let you use standard AA batteries?

I just looked it up and it was called the Pentax AA-Battery Pack FG and could be used on at least 3 different Pentax autofocus bodies.

So, a way to use even more standardized batteries.

And I had a Kodak DC4800, which used a battery that was supposed to be standardize. At least, when I received the camera and I read up about it, that battery was supposed to be used in different cameras from different manufacturers.

I guess it was an attempt to standardize battery shape / size?

But, ultimately no go.

With Nikon, I know there was a switch in battery design from the Nikon D90 to the D7000. But since then, it's been stable. The same shape / size battery from the D7000 can be used in the D7100 and D7200 and I think the D7500. I share the battery from my D7000 with my D750. And I'm thinking it's the same battery in the D800/D810?

And the reason for the battery change from D90 to the D7000 was the added ridges on the contacts to keep the batteries from shorting out when not in the camera? I think I remember reading it was a regulatory change required in the Japanese market or something like that. So a bunch of batteries got changed around that time?

Let's start with the grip.

Very simply : size and cosmetic.

The grip that is the right size and look good now, it will not in a few years time.

Camera design typically starts like this :

...

That is a 1:1 mock up. So it is the exact size/shape/look of the final product.

Now the various design teams get to work to provide the bits that will fit inside it to make it work.

Many parts will be existing stuff, like shutters , others will be custom made. The more custom made parts the higher the cost.

Some space needs to be left for the battery compartment, however the other parts will pretty much dictate what size battery will fit in there.

Another version is a camera like this :

...

that is a generic product that happens to be sold with the Minolta brand on it.

Some will recognise a Nikon version, here is another one :

...

because these cameras are sold, with minor detail changes, by various brands, the battery has to be the same or very similar in size.

This (re-branding) is a lot more common than most brand fans would expect.

BTW, sad to see the Minolta brand going that way....
I guess, with batteries, I see a few things.

1. It is nice when a company reuses (perhaps with an upgrade) the same battery shape / size for a certain range of cameras. Like the battery with the Nikon D7000, or the batteries I use with my Fujifilm waterproof camera. The battery that I used in my Fujifilm XP10, became the back-up battery with my Fujifilm XP50, and those batteries are being used in my Fujifilm XP80 now.

2. Ultimately, batteries wear out, so as I keep upgrading cameras, if I happy to get a camera that uses a different battery design, I am not losing out completely, as I would eventually have to replace the batteries anyway.

3. As more cameras let you charge the battery through the USB port, then the actual size / shape of the battery becomes less relevant if you are not physically taking the battery out of the camera to charge it anyway? Bonus if you could charge the camera (or run it) by plugging in a generic external battery. Something like I keep around for my cellphone anyway?

Just some random thoughts. . .

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 
If a parent picked up a Nikon D750, IMHO that camera could last from the time your kid is born to high school, maybe more.

And, as long as Nikon is servicing them, maybe it'll be worth servicing should you drop it?
You have just hit on the biggest problem camera makers are faced with today.
+1

Although, I get the feeling that we've come full circle now.

I just think about my sister's Pentax K1000.

When she got that camera, I kinda thought . . . ok, that's it. She's got a camera. Doesn't need another. And . . . she actually still has that Pentax K1000.

Growing up, I just had this sense that I would just grab one of my dad's film SLR cameras, and that would be the camera I had around my neck to shoot pictures of my kids. Get a good one and just stick with it. LOL.

Then this digital stuff came along. And it's been a mad flurry of updates and upgrades.

And it has been fun. It's been rewarding.

But . . . I get the sense major updates are going to be fewer and further between.

Sorta the feeling I had before digital came along.

I'm ok with that. That was my idea of cameras way back when.

If manufacturer's start making the time between updates longer, I'd be ok with that.

But, are there other features other than IQ related updates that are left to be done.

Features and updates that increase usability, convenience, fun?

I guess, that was what I was wondering when I started this thread.
Every camera made in the last five years is good enough for the needs of 99% of amateur photographers.
+1
The technology has matured, the market is fully saturated with millions of very good cameras, and the actual needs of the amateur photographer hasn't gone up very much since 2012.
+1
But the camera makers need us to upgrade, so they can sell us new cameras. They can't stay in business very long by just repairing their old ones. They need a constant turnover of cameras and lenses.

So how do they get us to upgrade, when we really don't need an upgrade?
  • More features! They keep creating and promoting lots of new wonderful features. All of which sound great on paper, but might not be something we really need. But if they can make enough of us think we really need 4K video, weather sealing, or 50 MP sensors, then they can make a sale.
+1

What features are we looking for?
  • Better performance! Everyone likes having built in WIFI, better touchscreens, having two card slots, having a really good EVF, or having 400 focus points for faster AF. Whether we actually need these things is problematic, as long as we think we need them. Everything is better, except the image quality we get from our holiday snaps. That part is still the same, but if we want the latest and greatest, we can buy it.
+1
  • More stylish or fashionable cameras! This runs the gamut from buying a Leica for prestige or simply buying a Fujifilm because it evokes a Leica M3. Or even buying an Olympus OMD because it reminds us of our beloved Olympus OM-1. (The truth is, very few people actually owned a film Pen F, so there isn't much nostalgia appeal there.)
+1

More fun?
The bottom line here is that the camera makers are really screwed. Especially since their mass market customers born during the film era are dying off, and being replaced by younger people who would rather visit places for the sheer adventure, than devote any effort to photographing it.

The camera makers will always have the high end user. But this is a small slice of the overall pie. It really isn't that easy to get snapshooters to spend $2,000 on a new camera when their old one works fine, and they actually prefer using their smartphones instead.

The whole paradigm has shifted. And this has profound consequences for camera makers. More brands might disappear from the marketplace, and there might be more consolidation in the future.
Or do they stop making cameras and figure out another product or service that is either related or not that they can sell?

Sorta coming up with a different company mantra / slogan. Instead of thinking of the company as a "camera company", what do they need to be next?

Take care & Happy Shooting!
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More weather sealed primes. I came from 4/3 to M4/3 and now to Nikon and it seems all but a novelty to manufacturers to weather seal primes to match their weather sealed bodies.

I live in the desert and dust is a huge problem and being dry static and electronics seem to attract it even more.

Just a little ask.
+1

Isn't that a Pentax thing?

They have the water-resistant kit lenses and I think some of their primes are water-resistant as well?

But, yes.

Make the stuff more durable and usable in a wider range of scenarios with less worry.

Will people pay for that?

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 
voice memoing for metadata fields that can't be easily automated.

Metadata is one of my major bete noirs. Yes, in batch processing one can have expanded metadata applied to all selected images, or all the images from a shoot, & etc.

But once you get away from "all" images, or even a bunch of selected ones, then metadata and its management is a real chore. At my museum, there is a full time person who manages our images (and more), and who does metadata.

In the field, there are many times when I want to append notes to images---used to do that in pencil on film holders, and with post-its on the exposed holders. Much harder with roll films.

So, now I want to use the recorder either in my camera, or in my phone (coupled with the remote app) to be able to append information.

You'd need to set this up with your voice, but that's tech that exists and that we use now with phones & etc. Let me do it with my camera, and let that go seamlessly into the metadata fields that then go into the processing program(s) of my choosing.
 
The whole paradigm has shifted. And this has profound consequences for camera makers. More brands might disappear from the marketplace, and there might be more consolidation in the future.
Or do they stop making cameras and figure out another product or service that is either related or not that they can sell?

Sorta coming up with a different company mantra / slogan. Instead of thinking of the company as a "camera company", what do they need to be next?
We really wouldn't have thirteen different companies still competing in this shrinking space if all they did was "make cameras." We are very fortunate that ten of those thirteen derive a significant portion of their revenue, and almost all of their profits from "doing something else."

I consider only three of those thirteen competitors as "camera companies":
  • Leica
  • Nikon
  • Sigma
For all the others (even for industry leader Canon) the majority of their income comes from other products. Specifically.... business machines, copiers, scanners, game consoles, feature films, music, medical devices, electronics, industrial equipment, etc.

Were it not for the huge profitability in making endoscopes, Olympus would have exited the camera industry even before their Four Thirds DSLR in 2003. Essentially, for the past 14 years their imaging division has operated at a loss, and is being subsidized by their other product lines. (And I am extremely grateful for that, as my gear list will indicate!)
 
The whole paradigm has shifted. And this has profound consequences for camera makers. More brands might disappear from the marketplace, and there might be more consolidation in the future.
Or do they stop making cameras and figure out another product or service that is either related or not that they can sell?

Sorta coming up with a different company mantra / slogan. Instead of thinking of the company as a "camera company", what do they need to be next?
We really wouldn't have thirteen different companies still competing in this shrinking space if all they did was "make cameras." We are very fortunate that ten of those thirteen derive a significant portion of their revenue, and almost all of their profits from "doing something else."

I consider only three of those thirteen competitors as "camera companies":
  • Leica
  • Nikon
  • Sigma
For all the others (even for industry leader Canon) the majority of their income comes from other products. Specifically.... business machines, copiers, scanners, game consoles, feature films, music, medical devices, electronics, industrial equipment, etc.

Were it not for the huge profitability in making endoscopes, Olympus would have exited the camera industry even before their Four Thirds DSLR in 2003. Essentially, for the past 14 years their imaging division has operated at a loss, and is being subsidized by their other product lines. (And I am extremely grateful for that, as my gear list will indicate!)
+1

I agree. I just toss that out there to have some fun.

I guess, like Apple.

Are they are computer company that became an MP3 player company? Or are they a digital music distributor?

Or Nintendo? Are they a game / video game company? Or an entertainment company? The Nintendo characters are making their way to a Universal theme park in Japan I believe. And we are going to start seeing movies based off of Nintendo I.P.

Just playing with the idea for the companies you listed above. :)

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 
voice memoing for metadata fields that can't be easily automated.

Metadata is one of my major bete noirs. Yes, in batch processing one can have expanded metadata applied to all selected images, or all the images from a shoot, & etc.

But once you get away from "all" images, or even a bunch of selected ones, then metadata and its management is a real chore. At my museum, there is a full time person who manages our images (and more), and who does metadata.

In the field, there are many times when I want to append notes to images---used to do that in pencil on film holders, and with post-its on the exposed holders. Much harder with roll films.

So, now I want to use the recorder either in my camera, or in my phone (coupled with the remote app) to be able to append information.

You'd need to set this up with your voice, but that's tech that exists and that we use now with phones & etc. Let me do it with my camera, and let that go seamlessly into the metadata fields that then go into the processing program(s) of my choosing.
 
How about loading a camera manual into the camera.

And have it so that you can do queries and searches on it.

Something like . . . "Why does my camera not take a picture?"

And then the camera can check the current settings, see that you are using a manual focus lens and that the AF switch is on (Pentax ist DS), so if the AF sensor doesn't see something in focus, it won't let you fire. So it could come back and report that and can make suggestions such as . . . turn AF off, or let the camera take a picture even if AF is not acquired.

Or, . . . "Why is my picture blurry?"

The camera might ask which picture, it could look at the content with fuzzy logic and guess at what the subject was. Look at the EXIF data and then see that either the picture was out of focus or perhaps too slow a shutter speed was used, and then make suggestions based on analyzing either the current camera settings or analyzing an already taken picture.

Also, allow the user to download videos (to the SD card) of lessons. Lessons on how to use the camera or composition that the user can watch whenever they have a bit of time.

Sorry. Just some random thoughts.

Take care & Happy Shooting!
:)
 
I really like your idea of having cameras that can answer questions and diagnose problems. And I think the technology for this exists right now.

Some smartphones can do this. I can ask "google now" about a problem and it will reply with an answer.

I suppose the next step would be the camera proactively warning you about an ill chosen setting. Something like.... "Are you sure you want to make a -3 EV adjustment with such strong back lighting?" Or.... "Did you want the horizon line tilted so much?"

I realize this is basically creating an idiot proof camera, but these sort of features might win back some of the smartphone folks. And you could always turn off the warnings. Like I could with my 1983 Nissan Maxima. After a while, it got really annoying hearing a Japanese woman tell me "gas level is low" so I turned her off.
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I really like your idea of having cameras that can answer questions and diagnose problems. And I think the technology for this exists right now.
+1

I know cameras have the built-in little explanations of what happens if you change the aperture, shutter speed, and such.

But this idea came from my daughter trying to use an old Pentax ist DS I gave her.

She's taking a photography course in the Fall. She grabbed the Pentax ist DS and tried to take a picture, but no go. As soon as she told me, I instantly knew what was wrong. I had stuck a manual focus lens on it, but forget to switch the autofocus mode from AF to manual. LOL.

But then, that got me to thinking. If she could query the camera, the camera should know why it's not taking a picture. It should be able to read what state it's in. LOL.
Some smartphones can do this. I can ask "google now" about a problem and it will reply with an answer.
+1

Yes. That is every better. Don't even have to type it in. You can just talk to the camera.

Things like . . . how do I might the picture brighter? How do I only have the person in focus, but not the background?

And the camera could pop up suggestions on the back screen. If you want to implement one of the ideas, just touch the suggestion (bubble) and the camera will then open up the setting to change and either let you do it, or automagically do it for you, with the ability for you to override the settings and affect the results.
I suppose the next step would be the camera proactively warning you about an ill chosen setting. Something like.... "Are you sure you want to make a -3 EV adjustment with such strong back lighting?" Or.... "Did you want the horizon line tilted so much?"

I realize this is basically creating an idiot proof camera, but these sort of features might win back some of the smartphone folks. And you could always turn off the warnings. Like I could with my 1983 Nissan Maxima. After a while, it got really annoying hearing a Japanese woman tell me "gas level is low" so I turned her off.
+1

LOL.

Yes. My mother had a compact camera in the film days that use to constantly say . . . "Too dark. Use flash." with a heavy Japanese accent.

But. I could see something like this useful for anyone wanting to pick up and start using a camera. Like my daughter.

Even if the intent is not to become a "photographer", it would be nice to have help. And rather than having to find it on the Internet or in an App, it would be nice if it was all available and contained within the camera itself.

A one-stop-shop for picture taking. :)

Heck. As for the videos . . . the camera manufacturer could then go on to explain things like other types of lenses that are available, and what they could be used for. Or . . . flash units. Basically help demystify the gear and . . . create GAS!!! LOL. . . . with the unfortunate side-effect of actually being convenient and useful. ;)

Take care & Happy Shooting!
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Yes. My mother had a compact camera in the film days that use to constantly say . . . "Too dark. Use flash." with a heavy Japanese accent.
That was the Minolta AF S V.

The reason I know that is because it was the only talking camera beside a Polaroid (instant print) version.

From that I get the idea that it wasn't all the popular past the initial impact of that gimmick.

( I don't really need to think about it, I sod them....)

As for a self diagnostic mode, Google Now ( and Siri) work by searching the net for info so your camera needs to have a built in phone to do it.
 
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