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Just remember that while the problem is noticeable on my FZ2500, I have not found such a noticeable difference on D7200. The few photos that do go bad with AF-C could just be that the shot was taken before focus was acquired... I'm still keeping an eye on it.

Thanks.
 
Thanks, I'm going through shots today and am noticing several out of focus with AF-C that shouldn't be. Bear in mind I'm shooting fast at 1/1600 and 1/2000. Ii may help if I switch the sub setting that's "take on release", to whatever the opposite is. The one that only takes if focused.
 
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Lynn876 said:
Thanks, I'm going through shots today and am noticing several out of focus with AF-C that shouldn't be. Bear in mind I'm shooting fast at 1/1600 and 1/2000. Ii may help if I switch the sub setting that's "take on release", to whatever the opposite is. The one that only takes if focused.
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You may not improve matters with that option.

Have you thought of using "Back Button Focus"?

BBF separates the focus function from the shutter release. One problem with shutter-button release is that the AF will try to re-establish focus at the time of release, and may not get it right, whether or not you have set the parameter to "Release" (shoot irrespective of focus), or "Focus" (focus must be confirmed). The issue is that by the time the camera decides that it's time to focus, and that it's "Just Right", the action has moved on. With BBF, the camera is always operating in release mode, because the user has taken control of the focus.

This can sound a bit counter-intuitive, but consider following a moving subject with a smooth progression of focus (BBF) compared with a series of steps that might (or not) be in focus (Shutter Button). -Something like sliding smoothly down a bannister compared to bumping down the steps in a fairly random manner.
 
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66GTO said:
I still like the idea of 2 SD card slots, which would lead me towards the D7200. But I also like many of the images that I see from the D7500. I could be happy with either.
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WryCuda said:
Lynn876 said:
Thanks, I'm going through shots today and am noticing several out of focus with AF-C that shouldn't be. Bear in mind I'm shooting fast at 1/1600 and 1/2000. Ii may help if I switch the sub setting that's "take on release", to whatever the opposite is. The one that only takes if focused.
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You may not improve matters with that option.

Have you thought of using "Back Button Focus"?

BBF separates the focus function from the shutter release. One problem with shutter-button release is that the AF will try to re-establish focus at the time of release, and may not get it right, whether or not you have set the parameter to "Release" (shoot irrespective of focus), or "Focus" (focus must be confirmed). The issue is that by the time the camera decides that it's time to focus, and that it's "Just Right", the action has moved on. With BBF, the camera is always operating in release mode, because the user has taken control of the focus.

This can sound a bit counter-intuitive, but consider following a moving subject with a smooth progression of focus (BBF) compared with a series of steps that might (or not) be in focus (Shutter Button). -Something like sliding smoothly down a bannister compared to bumping down the steps in a fairly random manner.
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I'll look into that. thanks Wry. It sounds like I'd need three hands though. I use zooms. My brain will not process doing 2 things with one hand on the fly.
 
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Lynn876 said:
WryCuda said:
Have you thought of using "Back Button Focus"?
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I'll look into that. thanks Wry. It sounds like I'd need three hands though. I use zooms. My brain will not process doing 2 things with one hand on the fly.
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On the D7100/D7200 it's just a matter of allocating AF-On to the AE-L/AF-L button, which sits nicely under your right thumb. If you need AE-L, that can be assigned to another button, such as Pv. With my D7100 in sports mode, it's thumb for BBF or SS, forefinger for shutter, and the other fingers for Pv (AE-L) and Fn (Spot metering).

There's a couple of other parameters that need to be set, but there's ample advice on this available on DPR and other places. Note that there's minor differences between the settings for D7100 and D7200.

Like most things, there's the "shock of the new" and it takes a while to appreciate the benefits. You also have to remember to press the button for focus, even when there's no fast action. The easiest solution is to have landscape/sports modes programmed into U1 and U2.
 
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WryCuda said:
Lynn876 said:
WryCuda said:
Have you thought of using "Back Button Focus"?
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I'll look into that. thanks Wry. It sounds like I'd need three hands though. I use zooms. My brain will not process doing 2 things with one hand on the fly.
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On the D7100/D7200 it's just a matter of allocating AF-On to the AE-L/AF-L button, which sits nicely under your right thumb. If you need AE-L, that can be assigned to another button, such as Pv. With my D7100 in sports mode, it's thumb for BBF or SS, forefinger for shutter, and the other fingers for Pv (AE-L) and Fn (Spot metering).

There's a couple of other parameters that need to be set, but there's ample advice on this available on DPR and other places. Note that there's minor differences between the settings for D7100 and D7200.

Like most things, there's the "shock of the new" and it takes a while to appreciate the benefits. You also have to remember to press the button for focus, even when there's no fast action. The easiest solution is to have landscape/sports modes programmed into U1 and U2.
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Thanks Wry, but I think you talked me out of it. I'm dyslexic with directions and numbers and it seems to effect doing too many things at once with one hand as well. I can't chew gum and spit at the same time as they say if it involves any sort of ordered processes.
 
samurai7595 said:
Member said:
Have you thought of getting a mixture Sony and Nikon?
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I owned a Nikon D7000 and a friend of mine convinced me to go for the Sony a6500 due to it's smaller/lighter size. I owned it for 3 months and although I liked the body a lot, I was not impressed with the Sony E lenses. Sony needs to invest some serious time & money in R&D towards developing better E lenses. Their FE lenses are OK but their E lenses are not great and with a smaller/lighter body, it makes no sense to start using their FE lenses.

So I sold the Sony a6500 and went back to Nikon by getting a Nikon D7500. Now I'm happy again!

Just my 2 cents...
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Hi Samurai,

thanks for your post. I am trying to decide between exactly these 2 cameras: D7500 and A6500. Can you please summarize the strengths and weaknesses of these 2 for pictures only (I know A6500 is much superior in video, and that is why i am considering it). How do they compare in low light?

thanks

Sean
 
sansin said:
samurai7595 said:
sansin said:
Have you thought of getting a mixture Sony and Nikon?
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I owned a Nikon D7000 and a friend of mine convinced me to go for the Sony a6500 due to it's smaller/lighter size. I owned it for 3 months and although I liked the body a lot, I was not impressed with the Sony E lenses. Sony needs to invest some serious time & money in R&D towards developing better E lenses. Their FE lenses are OK but their E lenses are not great and with a smaller/lighter body, it makes no sense to start using their FE lenses.

So I sold the Sony a6500 and went back to Nikon by getting a Nikon D7500. Now I'm happy again!

Just my 2 cents...
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Hi Samurai,

thanks for your post. I am trying to decide between exactly these 2 cameras: D7500 and A6500. Can you please summarize the strengths and weaknesses of these 2 for pictures only (I know A6500 is much superior in video, and that is why i am considering it). How do they compare in low light?

thanks

Sean
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Both are great in low light.

But as I mentioned, the Sony E (non-FE) lenses did not cut it for me...

Bodies come & go but lenses is what you tend to build a system with.
 
sansin said:
... I am trying to decide between exactly these 2 cameras: D7500 and A6500. Can you please summarize the strengths and weaknesses of these 2 for pictures only ... How do they compare in low light?
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I would expect them to be quite similar in low light.

The D7500 is 11% less expensive (in the USA), and has a larger selection of native-mount lenses, which are typically less expensive for the same quality or of higher quality for a similar price.

For sports, wildlife, BIF, pets, small children and handheld studio work, I'd prefer the D7500.

For travel when photography is a secondary activity, tripod shooting, and backpacking, I'd prefer the a6500.
 
Can we go back to he original question for a minute? I just switched to Nikon (coming from Sony). I have the D750 and love it. I want an APS-C to use with my Nikon 200-500 lens for wildlife/bird photography.

i find myself, for the first time, indecisive about what to get. Tell myself the lack of dual card slots in the 7500 is a deal breaker, but I don't know why. I was willing to go with one card slot on my Sony APS-C. I'm not a professional - if a card fails I won't be losing money or clients. The 8 fps vs 6 fps is huge for wildlife/birds. Based solely on this, the D7500 is a winner. BUT....where I get concerned, because I crop a lot when shooting small birds, is the drop in mp. I've also read comments from people saying the colors on the 7200 are better. These are the two things that make me think I should go with the 7200 but what if they're not an issue or not true?

Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Elizabeth
 
eawhitcomb said:
Can we go back to he original question for a minute? I just switched to Nikon (coming from Sony). I have the D750 and love it. I want an APS-C to use with my Nikon 200-500 lens for wildlife/bird photography.

i find myself, for the first time, indecisive about what to get. Tell myself the lack of dual card slots in the 7500 is a deal breaker, but I don't know why.
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Not to worry :^)
eawhitcomb said:
I was willing to go with one card slot on my Sony APS-C. I'm not a professional - if a card fails I won't be losing money or clients. The 8 fps vs 6 fps is huge for wildlife/birds.
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The extra fps help for sure. Much more important for birding is Group autofocus, which locks on to the nearest thing to the camera with much better accuracy than previous 7000 series cameras. The D7500 should track a flying bird against brush pretty well, a task the D7200 is not good at. In that scenario, you might get one or two out of eight in focus with the D7200, more like seven out of ten with the D7500.
eawhitcomb said:
Based solely on this, the D7500 is a winner. BUT....where I get concerned, because I crop a lot when shooting small birds, is the drop in mp. I've also read comments from people saying the colors on the 7200 are better. These are the two things that make me think I should go with the 7200 but what if they're not an issue or not true?
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I'm a card carrying pixel peeper and the difference between the two cameras for detail is negligible. The D500 can take up to about 60 sharpening in ACR before crunchy artifacts set in, the D7200 tops out at about 30. Because of the more benign noise pattern, the D500 has about another 3/4 stop clean ISO over the D7200. The measurements don't support this statement, but the pictures most certainly do. The colors are excellent on both cameras. To my surprise, the D500 does a excellent landscape shot when paired with a nice sharp prime.
eawhitcomb said:
Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Elizabeth
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Reilly Diefenbach said:
eawhitcomb said:
Can we go back to he original question for a minute? I just switched to Nikon (coming from Sony). I have the D750 and love it. I want an APS-C to use with my Nikon 200-500 lens for wildlife/bird photography.

i find myself, for the first time, indecisive about what to get. Tell myself the lack of dual card slots in the 7500 is a deal breaker, but I don't know why.
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Not to worry :^)
Reilly Diefenbach said:
I was willing to go with one card slot on my Sony APS-C. I'm not a professional - if a card fails I won't be losing money or clients. The 8 fps vs 6 fps is huge for wildlife/birds.
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The extra fps help for sure. Much more important for birding is Group autofocus, which locks on to the nearest thing to the camera with much better accuracy than previous 7000 series cameras. The D7500 should track a flying bird against brush pretty well, a task the D7200 is not good at. In that scenario, you might get one or two out of eight in focus with the D7200, more like seven out of ten with the D7500.
Reilly Diefenbach said:
Based solely on this, the D7500 is a winner. BUT....where I get concerned, because I crop a lot when shooting small birds, is the drop in mp. I've also read comments from people saying the colors on the 7200 are better. These are the two things that make me think I should go with the 7200 but what if they're not an issue or not true?
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I'm a card carrying pixel peeper and the difference between the two cameras for detail is negligible. The D500 can take up to about 60 sharpening in ACR before crunchy artifacts set in, the D7200 tops out at about 30. Because of the more benign noise pattern, the D500 has about another 3/4 stop clean ISO over the D7200. The measurements don't support this statement, but the pictures most certainly do. The colors are excellent on both cameras. To my surprise, the D500 does a excellent landscape shot when paired with a nice sharp prime.
Reilly Diefenbach said:
Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Elizabeth
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Reilly - in your last paragraph are you talking about the D500 or D7500?
 
eawhitcomb said:
Reilly Diefenbach said:
eawhitcomb said:
Can we go back to he original question for a minute? I just switched to Nikon (coming from Sony). I have the D750 and love it. I want an APS-C to use with my Nikon 200-500 lens for wildlife/bird photography.

i find myself, for the first time, indecisive about what to get. Tell myself the lack of dual card slots in the 7500 is a deal breaker, but I don't know why.
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Not to worry :^)
eawhitcomb said:
I was willing to go with one card slot on my Sony APS-C. I'm not a professional - if a card fails I won't be losing money or clients. The 8 fps vs 6 fps is huge for wildlife/birds.
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The extra fps help for sure. Much more important for birding is Group autofocus, which locks on to the nearest thing to the camera with much better accuracy than previous 7000 series cameras. The D7500 should track a flying bird against brush pretty well, a task the D7200 is not good at. In that scenario, you might get one or two out of eight in focus with the D7200, more like seven out of ten with the D7500.
eawhitcomb said:
Based solely on this, the D7500 is a winner. BUT....where I get concerned, because I crop a lot when shooting small birds, is the drop in mp. I've also read comments from people saying the colors on the 7200 are better. These are the two things that make me think I should go with the 7200 but what if they're not an issue or not true?
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I'm a card carrying pixel peeper and the difference between the two cameras for detail is negligible. The D500 can take up to about 60 sharpening in ACR before crunchy artifacts set in, the D7200 tops out at about 30. Because of the more benign noise pattern, the D500 has about another 3/4 stop clean ISO over the D7200. The measurements don't support this statement, but the pictures most certainly do. The colors are excellent on both cameras. To my surprise, the D500 does a excellent landscape shot when paired with a nice sharp prime.
eawhitcomb said:
Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Elizabeth
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Reilly - in your last paragraph are you talking about the D500 or D7500?
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I own the D500 and expect the D7500 to perform similarly.
 
eawhitcomb said:
Can we go back to he original question for a minute? I just switched to Nikon (coming from Sony). I have the D750 and love it. I want an APS-C to use with my Nikon 200-500 lens for wildlife/bird photography.

i find myself, for the first time, indecisive about what to get. Tell myself the lack of dual card slots in the 7500 is a deal breaker, but I don't know why. I was willing to go with one card slot on my Sony APS-C. I'm not a professional - if a card fails I won't be losing money or clients. The 8 fps vs 6 fps is huge for wildlife/birds. Based solely on this, the D7500 is a winner. BUT....where I get concerned, because I crop a lot when shooting small birds, is the drop in mp. I've also read comments from people saying the colors on the 7200 are better. These are the two things that make me think I should go with the 7200 but what if they're not an issue or not true?

Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Elizabeth
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I don't have a D7500 because I have the D500 instead. Sensors are suppose to be the same but AF modules aren't. The D7200 does pretty good but pointed out earlier the D500 has better high iso results. Below are some results indoors that are closer to being comparative.

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StillLearning said:
eawhitcomb said:
Can we go back to he original question for a minute? I just switched to Nikon (coming from Sony). I have the D750 and love it. I want an APS-C to use with my Nikon 200-500 lens for wildlife/bird photography.

i find myself, for the first time, indecisive about what to get. Tell myself the lack of dual card slots in the 7500 is a deal breaker, but I don't know why. I was willing to go with one card slot on my Sony APS-C. I'm not a professional - if a card fails I won't be losing money or clients. The 8 fps vs 6 fps is huge for wildlife/birds. Based solely on this, the D7500 is a winner. BUT....where I get concerned, because I crop a lot when shooting small birds, is the drop in mp. I've also read comments from people saying the colors on the 7200 are better. These are the two things that make me think I should go with the 7200 but what if they're not an issue or not true?

Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Elizabeth
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I don't have a D7500 because I have the D500 instead. Sensors are suppose to be the same but AF modules aren't. The D7200 does pretty good but pointed out earlier the D500 has better high iso results. Below are some results indoors that are closer to being comparative.

D7200









D500







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Thanks! I got a D7200 but I'm having some serious issues with it and high ISO. I took it back to the store today and he let me play with the D500... I fell in love. 😁
 
eawhitcomb said:
StillLearning said:
eawhitcomb said:
Can we go back to he original question for a minute? I just switched to Nikon (coming from Sony). I have the D750 and love it. I want an APS-C to use with my Nikon 200-500 lens for wildlife/bird photography.

i find myself, for the first time, indecisive about what to get. Tell myself the lack of dual card slots in the 7500 is a deal breaker, but I don't know why. I was willing to go with one card slot on my Sony APS-C. I'm not a professional - if a card fails I won't be losing money or clients. The 8 fps vs 6 fps is huge for wildlife/birds. Based solely on this, the D7500 is a winner. BUT....where I get concerned, because I crop a lot when shooting small birds, is the drop in mp. I've also read comments from people saying the colors on the 7200 are better. These are the two things that make me think I should go with the 7200 but what if they're not an issue or not true?

Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Elizabeth
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I don't have a D7500 because I have the D500 instead. Sensors are suppose to be the same but AF modules aren't. The D7200 does pretty good but pointed out earlier the D500 has better high iso results. Below are some results indoors that are closer to being comparative.

D7200









D500







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Thanks! I got a D7200 but I'm having some serious issues with it and high ISO. I took it back to the store today and he let me play with the D500... I fell in love. 😁
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Ahhh.. love at first "click"! ;-)

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