How to best get rid of equipment....

Daniel Bliss · Aug 30, 2003

Well said . . . besides the issue with "measurebating" among "photographers" not to mention flame wars on the Internet, you see it in microcosm in photo stores, where you often have people who have something to "prove" rather than something to sell. It isn't what you'd want in a retail culture at all; most camera shops are quite hostile, doesn't matter whether it's a chain or an independent. When you come across an honorable exception it is always pleasant.

As an aside, with the D2H's support for proper metering and multimode operation on old lenses, it should be amusing to see what these people make of all the stuff from the 1970s and 1980s suddenly reappearing on the new bodies -- "old" and "obsolete" indeed. If a three year old Olympus camera makes their brain hurt, I wonder what they'll make of me using an Ai'd early 1970s 105mm lens on a digital.

lowlight... said:
I have found that going into an artists supply store and asking
questions is FAR more likely to precipitate a positive response.
MY EXPERIENCE with photographers (MOST of which, in my experience,
lack any artistic sensibility) has typically been negative:

1. The dealers want to rip you off.
2. The "photographers" typically pride themselves on their
knowledge of the operation of the technology, but have no idea what
makes a good picture
3. The personalities encountered at trade shows, in photo shops
and on the internet are typically CAUSTIC. ( I am being
generous here.)
4. Unfortunately, MANY of the people I have encountered that are
connected to photography lack the ability to separate their poorly
developed emotions from intellect (perhaps due to a lack of the
same) when approached with a question.

For example, I recently visited a store in southeastern Michigan
and asked to examine an Olympus E-20. The sales person (who had to
be approached by ME. not vise versa) queried me as to what digital
camera I owned. Apparently, he was curious as to why I was
interested in an E-20 when I own a D100. He went on to make
several derogatory remarks about the product he should have been
trying to sell, emphasizing that the E-20 was "old technology".

I indicated to him that the "old technology" still works. Oil
paint works quite welll, even in the 21st century. This technology
is quite old.

There are some here who seem to have a positive attitude towards
viewing the tools as something to make art with. I prefer Winsor
and Newton series 7 kolinsky sable brushes. I find that they
AUGMENT my ability to do what I want to do with the paint! I feel
no need to justify my preference, and seriously question the
psychology of individuals who seem to take a question regarding a
method of moving to a more accomodating set of tools so personally.

Perhaps some of us should spend less time on the net, and more time
trying to find girlfriends.....

In essence, I regret having asked the question; My experience with
"photogs" (perhaps the term phot-HOGS would be more appropriate,
given the poor manners I have so often been made to endure) has
been less than pleasant.

What is wrong with you people?

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insert something mental here...

Ron Frank · Aug 30, 2003

lowlight... said:
No, Peter, it was not necessary.The best answer for a fool,
however, is silence, hence my refusal to respond.

Who is the fool who started this thread. This looks like a response to me...

lowlight... said:
I am not so naive as to assume that tools make the artists; I
actually find that the Canon system is more agreeable for ME in
terms of the following:

Bang for buck (I tire of paying top dollar for lenses WITHOUT afs
motors)

All AFS moters are not equal. Canon chose a long time back to put the motor in the lens, hence the requirement for a motor in ALL lenses. This initially resulted in ALL Canon lenses being MORE expensive. The less expensive motors did not perform any better then Nikon's internal motor in the camera which was much more robust. The motors found in high end nikon and canon optics are not anything like the motors found in low end consumer grade optics....

If the motor goes out in a Canon optic, the lens is done. If the motor goes out in a Nikon lens, the camera can drive the focus. One may say this redundency creates a more robust AF system. You however would never have thought of such a thing as you are ignorant.

lowlight... said:
Ergonomics (I like the feel and focusing acuity of the 1D)
Price ( I am tired of paying more for accessories simply because
they are Nikon
branded)

You seriously need to do some homework. Canon's accessories are generally in the same price range as Nikon's. The bodies are as much, or more. IMO the 1ds is overpriced. However we shall see what Nikon prices the D2x at... Both Nikon and Canon are branded, and one pays for those names. With Nikon however one could actually purchase a 300mmf4.5 AIS lens for under $200 in prestine condition, and use it.

In Canon, you are stuck purchasing later model options only. The Nikon AIS lenses are often sharper than the newer AF cousins even if they lack AF.

lowlight... said:
I have found that going into an artists supply store and asking
questions is FAR more likely to precipitate a positive response.
MY EXPERIENCE with photographers (MOST of which, in my experience,
lack any artistic sensibility) has typically been negative:

Wow, more generalizations, and slams on photographers.

lowlight... said:
1. The dealers want to rip you off.

There is a blue book that camera dealers use. Camera dealers pay wholesale prices for equipment. If a NEW D100 runs them $900, they will certainly NOT pay $1200 for a used one just becasue the RETAIL market may.

They have other things to consider as well. That 5000ft of retail space is not free. Any used equipment they purchase may sit collecting dust for months... Why I'm bothering to explain this, I'm not sure.

Most dealers will do consignment. Maybe you should take the time to actually TALK to some dealers rather than just running around insulting people in ignorant bliss....

lowlight... said:
2. The "photographers" typically pride themselves on their
knowledge of the operation of the technology, but have no idea what
makes a good picture
3. The personalities encountered at trade shows, in photo shops
and on the internet are typically CAUSTIC. ( I am being
generous here.)

More stupid generalizations. If you do not understand the photography (or retail for that matter), I can only assume that you have spent very little time around it.

Bunch of worthless trash removed.

lowlight... said:
In essence, I regret having asked the question; My experience with
"photogs" (perhaps the term phot-HOGS would be more appropriate,
given the poor manners I have so often been made to endure) has
been less than pleasant.

What is wrong with you people?

What is wrong with YOU? If you wanted to truely just find venues to sell your equipment, you could have just asked the one line question, where is a good place to sell used equipment.

Instead you chose to slam camera dealers, photographers, nikon, and pc owners with your high minded spew and broad generalizations.

PC vs. Mac, Nikon vs. Canon, trolling material to be sure.

You are laughable!

Ron

LutzB · Aug 30, 2003

Hi,
decision between camera brands is everyone's own thing, this is o. k.

Sorry, but your comparisation is a little crazy. As a Macian may be it's better you go with SONY for the future.
I think my D100 is Mac like.
Regards
G3 600 DV

lowlight... said:
Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

--
insert something mental here...

Bill Dewey · Aug 30, 2003

Another example of the cr@p this forum degenerates into, a perfect example of what started my "anymosity" thread.

Now, on to your question.

I have seen several derogatory notes in this thread regarding eBay, but I have found it to be a great place to sell photo equipment. I just recently, in the last few weeks for example, sold an SB-28DX for $233.00, which is a bit higher than the average they were selling for. I find that a concise auction description, honestly grading what you are selling, with several close-up images of the product seem to produce better than average bids. I have yet to lose any money, although I had one jerk who sent me a check put a stop payment on the check as he was buying a cheaper copy of what he had purchased from me. Quick negative feedback on that one.

As the seller you are in control on eBay. If you have a minimum you will take for the item put a reserve on. You can also use eBay as a good measure of what the items are selling for, in order to gain an idea of value. Feel free to drop me an email if you have any other questions, you can also view my eBay feedback, and see what I have been getting, by looking at my eBay ID, walkaboutimagery.

Good luck with move, the only suggestion I would make before the big "sell off" is to use one of the Canons for a day or so if you can. For me, personally, the ergonomics of the Nikon "feel" better than Canon.

lowlight... said:
Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

--
insert something mental here...

--
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com

Pernel S Thyseldew · Aug 30, 2003

--
Pernel Pixel is Pure Digital Now

D-1 - D100 - 45mm f2.8P - 60mm f2.8 - 17-35mm f.2.8 - Oly C5050z (new pocket pal)
Past Life: lost TWO Nikon SP's !@^@! - F's - Ftn's - Nikormat EL

Negative287 · Aug 30, 2003

If you look at the Canon resale values you'll get even less for that! I checked it out through a couple of places and I'd say try KEH or go the Ebay route.

lowlight... said:
Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

--
insert something mental here...

drdih · Aug 30, 2003

I know this is not a "for sale forum", but I would be interested in speaking with you about your items for sale. You shouldn't have to get ripped off for quality items that are in good condition.

drdih · Aug 30, 2003

drdih said:
I know this is not a "for sale forum", but I would be interested in
speaking with you about your items for sale. You shouldn't have to

get ripped off for quality items that are in good condition. my email is [email protected]. Thanks.

Bills nature photo · Aug 30, 2003

I have sold teh following items through eBay over the last couple of years:

F4s Body
F100 Body
500mm f4.0 P
300mm f4.o AFD
20-35 f 2.8
and a 300mm f2.8 ASF

I have always wound up getting a fair price, was paid on time, never felt ripped off or left a buyer feeling ripped off.

Make sure that you either start your auction at a price that is high enoungh that you won't be crushed if it sells at that price (free) or use the reserve price to protect yourself. The reserve is best because you can start your auction at a low peice and start the desired bidding frenzy that ultimately gets you the best price. The down side is that the new fee structure makes it a little pricey especially compared to the $1 it cost in the past.

Be very descriptive of the conidition of the gear and include close up pictures of any defects such as scrathes or dings so the buyer knows excatly what they are getting.

Start by selling one or two low cost pieces to get good feedback before you put the expensive items like the D100 up for auction.

Use paypal or require cashiers check or money order for payment. In return have the item ready to ship and ship it the same day you receive payment.

Use this approach and take your time you should come out way ahead of the game. Most of my items were in pristine condition and sold within a couple of hundred dollars of what I paid for them, and got me at least a $1500 if not $2500 more than I would have gotten locally.

Bill

Pernel S Thyseldew said:
--
Pernel Pixel is Pure Digital Now
D-1 - D100 - 45mm f2.8P - 60mm f2.8 - 17-35mm f.2.8 - Oly C5050z
(new pocket pal)
Past Life: lost TWO Nikon SP's !@^@! - F's - Ftn's - Nikormat EL

Jim O''Connor · Aug 30, 2003

lowlight... said:
ksocool said:

That is, if there are suckers who are willing to sell to them at
their prices. And of course, there are. Well, here's a good lesson
you learned. Any feeling of loyalty to your local dealer is a
figment of your imagination. You don't owe them NADA. Go with B&H.

Click to expand...

Words more true would likely be difficult to discover. I have
learned the hard way.
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insert something mental here...

I disagree. My local camera store lets me try a lenses at no risk, and even if I am not real likely to buy any time soon because he knows I'll be back to buy from him if I decide to get the lens. B&H doesn't let me do this. I buy mail order sometimes, but if a store provides a service on a piece of hardware I buy from them. Having to use mail order only because the local store goes out of business isn't a good thing. My local camera dealer also tells me to sell on e-bay in order to get the most for my old equipment. I'm sorry that your camera dealer is a jerk. Not all are.

win39 · Aug 30, 2003

Being on this list is giving me a new perspective on Mac users. Geez, how embarrassing. I don't think I will tell anyone I use one. I certainly will not come on a list and insult everyone's cameras and computers. Who cares how we get to good pictures?

And no real discussion of the merits of the cameras. From what I hear, Canon software for the Mac is ls so bad everyone buys third party stuff and the Nikon's is pretty good. And really who would want to equate the 10D autofocus problems with their computer anyway?

Interesting that the Apple Store on line sells both Nikon and Canon, at least the consumer camera group in which Canon includes the 10D. No Nikon DSLRs at Good Guys or the Apple Store. Hmm. Maybe if he knew that Nikon uses Italian designers for some of their cameras.

ktvd · Aug 30, 2003

I absolutely understand your passion for Mac. Apple has served me well for many years and I hope to support them forever. Great value!

Ditto for Nikon. I love their products and will remain loyal. They too, have served me well.

I can tell you that when I decided to sell my Nikon Film cameras, I had great success on Ebay. I live in a rural area - a local camera store wasn't an option. And I actually met some passionate buyers. They were pleased with the equipment, and I was able to move on to digital.

Best of luck,

ktvd

lowlight... said:
Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

--
insert something mental here...

Jason Busch · Aug 30, 2003

lowlight...,

That's what I would do.

I would think about switching brands though. Canon cameras have their own problems as well, and I think you'll just be reading a different chapter, but with the same issues.

Anyway, good luck on your decision.

And yes, dealers are made to rip you off. Never sell anything to them. They only get their equipment from stolen merchandise and desperate sellers. Either way, it makes me not want to buy merchandise from them, knowing this fact. I'm sure not all dealers are like this, but I just haven't met one that wasn't.

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http://www.digitaldingus.com
http://pub103.ezboard.com/bthedigitaldinguscommunity

RJudd · Aug 30, 2003

Lowlight,

Although others have given you varied forms of their opinions, that's exactly what they are... opinions. It's your money and decision. In fact I know of several DP members that have made the same switch are are still have all their limbs.

As for eBay, if you have the time and inclination to use them, go for it. You are in control there as long as you set your minimum and use Billpay or other secure payment methods.

ALSO... as others have mentioned that this is not a 'For Sale' forum, I hope Phil doesn't ban me for saying this, but I would also be happy to help, should you still have this equipment for sale. Let me know via email.

[email protected]

baruth · Aug 30, 2003

Lowlight,

Have you been taking pics laterly? Or may be you just look at you camera and dream about other cameras? well, that is wrong reason to own one.Throw what ever you do have and move on to other things that excite you to do something.

lowlight... said:
Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

--
insert something mental here...

--
baruth

Estuardo · Aug 30, 2003

I'll chime in with all the other posts suggesting ebay for getting the most money selling your equipment.

Use PayPal, cashiers check, money order or cash.

I'd provide a link to additional images so you can show exactly what you're selling. Show all angles.

I'm still trying to figure this one out. What, is this a goal every person should strive for? Good grief.

lowlight... wrote:
snip

lowlight... said:
Perhaps some of us should spend less time on the net, and more time
trying to find girlfriends.....

snip

photogf4 · Aug 31, 2003

Good Lord, why didn't you post this cr@p in the Canon Forum? You would have had far less trouble... and would have got the answer you needed - Ebay. Pack your bags and go there.

I am amazed at this kind of mentality. Are you from Colorado? Lessee, maybe some profiling is in order...

Accura driver
Mac user
'Artist'
Think you can 'outgun' people verbally

Yep. 35-40 and from Colorado. I bet you live in one of those ridiculous 'Dont hurt me' protected gate-communities. Liberal and proud... conceited, arrogant and ignorant of anything outside the box. You are anything but intelligent. I think of y'all everytime I clean my guns... or screw in a light bulb. Now that you have got everyone else to protect you, you sit in your ivory tower and spew this mindless, voluminous trash. I am glad you did not say 'American and proud'.

Could be Massachusetts too. Last time I was there someone got harassed out of a gated community for owning a pickup truck... I just don't know where you get this stuff. I hope it never comes here. I used to say that California was for everyone who couldn't hack it on the East Coast, and Colorado was for everyone who couldn't hack it in California... But that has changed. This sort of delusional disease is spreading.

photogf4 · Aug 31, 2003

Oops - In retrospect, If you were 35-40 you'd own an SUV... and be defending gas-guzzling while raling at Bush for wanting to open a new oil field in Alaska. Some people just can't see that their own actions/philosophies cause them trouble...

Nah - 27-35.

If I could impart ANY wisdom to you, it would be that the most intelligent life forms do not consider themselves superior to anyone.

Have a nice Day!

v_ · Aug 31, 2003

Nader Bishara · Aug 31, 2003

Lowlight

I can feel your pain, but let me be honest with you. I share some of your feelings. There are a few points that i like to note especially about digital photography

1. If you buy a digital camera just to shoot a few pictures you are wasting money. You better then get a disposable film camera for $ 8.00.

2. Digital cameras have to be USED a lot i mean thousands of shots, this is when it becomes more economic.

3. Why do you want to sell D100 and switch to Canon (a great camera)? You are not happy with quality. Nikon NEF format has a much better and standardized workflow than canon.

4. I am still not satisfied with my photography. I spent a couple of hundred dollars to take a course in photography instead of buying more equipment and pilling on all sorts of lenses. I will stick with my D100 and use film again with my F5 and my 2 lenses the 24-85 G and 70-210 F4 (older one) .

5. Cameras are just a tool to express your creativity. You can make superb pictures with a 50 year old film camera eg. Mamiya 6 (will beat even the EOS 1Ds).

6. If you want top dollar for your camera GO THROUGH THE HASSLE OF EBAY. It is worth it and you will get a good amount for it. I always sell older equipment on ebay and really don't loose much (this applies ONLY to film cameras). DIGITAL YOU WILL LOOSE.
I hope this helps

Nader

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