How to best get rid of equipment....

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.

The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8, 24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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insert something mental here...

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lowlight - I feel your pain and understand. If it is not for you then you
are right to move on. As for unloading your gear look no further than
folks around you. Best bet is to use word of mouth and try to move
the gear that way. From the dealer stand point - they sell new gear
and get all the bennies of selling that VS used. You can prob do better
on Ebay but then you have the hassle of all that. For top dollar check
around with you friends/friends of friends and the such.
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Regards, -David
http://www.pbase.com/dcappello/

With Ebay, you will find yourself in a ghetto of competition price wise. Go with your local paper, artsy publications etc.
Use EBAy as a last resort.

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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insert something mental here...

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The best things in life....aren't things.

One big problem with the Canon-as-Mac theory . . . . Canon's software for the Mac, definitely the poor relation of its software for the PC. Also Canon's lack of standardization on raw formats compared to Nikon. Hopefully Adobe will render at least some of this moot with raw support in Photoshop 8, but in the meantime, you have been warned.

I think you should do much better than that on ebay but I doubt that you're going to add more than a couple of hundred from any other dealer. If I were you, I'd stay put with Nikon . . . unless you're going for the resolution of a 1Ds or the buffer memory on the D100 is a major issue (which it shouldn't be unless your body is still set to compressed NEF format or you really do need to shoot long action sequences). After a lot of evaluation I've come to the conclusion that a) the D100 and 10D are equivalent; and b) they each have different strengths and problems which someone who has neither Canon nor Nikon should consider before making a choice; and c) they don't offer a compelling reason for one to switch from Nikon to Canon or vice versa (unlike, say, the EOS 1Ds for those leaving Nikon, or, Nikon users hope, the D2H for those leaving the EOS 1D)

I'm a Mac man too and I am about to drop a digital Nikon body into my mix rather than go to the trouble and expense of selling my gear or dealing with Canon's software.

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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insert something mental here...

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Try http://www.keh.com for selling your equipment. The don't offer top dollar but it will give you an idea of what not to go under when selling your equipment. You might even want to take the offer to avoid the hassle of ebay.

Price things one at a time so you get a quote for each item.
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Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

--
insert something mental here...

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Wow lowlight,

I'm not sure I've ever read a post so full of ignorance, and bad analogies.

You like the D100, but think it's a PC. You don't even know what Canon to consider, but Canon is a mac, and you're a mac man!

Have you ever shot with a Canon, or used a PC? Canon and Nikon both can provide GREAT results! The real difference between good and bad photography is the person holding the camera.

You're cluless as to how camera dealers do business in the used market, and you are incapable of determining how to go about selling used equipment!

I'm impressed!

Have you considered just purchasing some photography to hang on the walls? It's much easier and less expensive then using that photo equipment....

If you are looking to sell your gear by posting it here, just say so. If you truely are ignorant of how to sell photo equipment, maybe that Mac is not such an easy thing to use after all....

Not sure what you are trolling for here, but the post did make me lol!

Ron

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

--
insert something mental here...

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lowlight... said:

...I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

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Nikon = Mac = a cold beer and hot nachos.

lowlight... said:

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped???

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Sell it yourself.

At a risk of sounding like the Borg on Star Trek.
What you paid for your cameras, lenses and accessories is irrelevant.
That you will buy a new camera from the dealer is irrelevant.
What you believe is an equitable value for a trade-in is irrelevant.
That you feel insulted is irrelevant.

I'm doing the same thing, for different reasons. I'll be selling all my stuff on ebay. It's been my experience that sometimes you can get more than what you paid for it! I don't have any friends that want to get into digital yet, so ebay is the easy way to sell it.
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Equipment list in profile.
Save the Skunk Train!
http://www.pbase.com/digifan

That is, if there are suckers who are willing to sell to them at their prices. And of course, there are. Well, here's a good lesson you learned. Any feeling of loyalty to your local dealer is a figment of your imagination. You don't owe them NADA. Go with B&H.

Hi Lowlight,

Please contact me at [email protected] to discuss the price. I am interested in buying your camera and lens. Thanks

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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insert something mental here...

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A bit harsh Ron, but I'd have to mostly agree with you.

Switching camera systems because he's a "Mac man" takes the hackneyed Mac vs PC debate to new lows. And I've seem some pretty silly comments by zealous Mac (and PC) aficionados. (My favorite - "artists only use Macs...")

Without taking sides either way, it sure seems more logical to choose a photographic (or computer) solution based more on evaluating the tool than the marketing appeal.

Of course, I could be wrong since my PC and Mac are still not talking to each other ;-)

Ron Frank said:

I'm not sure I've ever read a post so full of ignorance, and bad
analogies.

You like the D100, but think it's a PC. You don't even know what
Canon to consider, but Canon is a mac, and you're a mac man!

Have you ever shot with a Canon, or used a PC? Canon and Nikon both
can provide GREAT results! The real difference between good and bad
photography is the person holding the camera.

You're cluless as to how camera dealers do business in the used
market, and you are incapable of determining how to go about
selling used equipment!

I'm impressed!

Have you considered just purchasing some photography to hang on the
walls? It's much easier and less expensive then using that photo
equipment....

If you are looking to sell your gear by posting it here, just say
so. If you truely are ignorant of how to sell photo equipment,
maybe that Mac is not such an easy thing to use after all....

Not sure what you are trolling for here, but the post did make me lol!

Ron

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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insert something mental here...

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...listing your equipment at http://www.photo.net . They have a classifieds section.

Too bad about your local camera store. My local camera store allows you to sell equipment on consignment, and they take a small cut when it is finally sold. In a situation like that, everyone wins. The seller gets to have his equipment on display at a trusted establishment and can price it as he wishes, the buyer can inspect the equipment before buying, and the store takes a small percentage for displaying the equipment and handling the transaction. It may take a little longer for you to get your money, but at least you won't get peanuts for all your stuff.

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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insert something mental here...

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Needless, childish insults and name-calling. Come on, was that really necessary?

Ron Frank said:

I'm not sure I've ever read a post so full of ignorance, and bad
analogies.

You like the D100, but think it's a PC. You don't even know what
Canon to consider, but Canon is a mac, and you're a mac man!

Have you ever shot with a Canon, or used a PC? Canon and Nikon both
can provide GREAT results! The real difference between good and bad
photography is the person holding the camera.

You're cluless as to how camera dealers do business in the used
market, and you are incapable of determining how to go about
selling used equipment!

I'm impressed!

Have you considered just purchasing some photography to hang on the
walls? It's much easier and less expensive then using that photo
equipment....

If you are looking to sell your gear by posting it here, just say
so. If you truely are ignorant of how to sell photo equipment,
maybe that Mac is not such an easy thing to use after all....

Not sure what you are trolling for here, but the post did make me lol!

Ron

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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insert something mental here...

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slow and overpriced, although pretty to look at (Mac).

I'm mostly kidding, actually. I own two Macs, after all, and no PCs. But actually, until the G5, Macs really were slower and more expensive than PCs. And even now they are very expensive for what you get.

Anyway, sell your equipment yourself to get the highest price. That way you get the markup, not some dealer. Of course it takes your time and effort, and depending on how you sell it, you run the risk of getting ripped off. That's one reason dealers can get away with such low offers--they are effectively charging the owner a premium to do the work and assume the risk of re-selling the item.

I've sold numerous things on eBay, and that is a GREAT way to get top dollar for camera gear, especially recent digital stuff like the D100. But, it takes a lot of work. The auction has to look very nice and legit to get quality bids, and you will have to do some diligence to make sure the buyer is not fraudulent. But overall it is not that bad. Just think paranoid.

As for why you are selling your gear.... Anyone who believes that strongly in the Mac has got to be stubborn, so there is probably no point to my arguing with you.

for used digital cameras when tommorow it may be worthless for him because amanufacturer will come out with a lower price replacement therefore destroying any market for an older digital camera.. dont cry if a dealer didnt want to give over his bank account for you

Daniel Bliss said:

I think you should do much better than that on ebay but I doubt
that you're going to add more than a couple of hundred from any
other dealer. If I were you, I'd stay put with Nikon . . . unless
you're going for the resolution of a 1Ds or the buffer memory on
the D100 is a major issue (which it shouldn't be unless your body
is still set to compressed NEF format or you really do need to
shoot long action sequences). After a lot of evaluation I've come
to the conclusion that a) the D100 and 10D are equivalent; and b)
they each have different strengths and problems which someone who
has neither Canon nor Nikon should consider before making a choice;
and c) they don't offer a compelling reason for one to switch from
Nikon to Canon or vice versa (unlike, say, the EOS 1Ds for those
leaving Nikon, or, Nikon users hope, the D2H for those leaving the
EOS 1D)

I'm a Mac man too and I am about to drop a digital Nikon body into
my mix rather than go to the trouble and expense of selling my gear
or dealing with Canon's software.

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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beam me up scotty

im giving it all shes got captain

An awesome photographer, with skills beyond our comprehension.
If you can warrant losing all that dosh, to change to another system.
I’ve never seen any post here able to place either system in front of the other.
Or maybe you’ve just got more money than sense.

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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insert something mental here...

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--
Lee

Huh? How is a Canon like a Mac? Is it because only uber-trendy Gap sportin', Ikea shopping, VW bug driving, Ipod flaunting wannabe artsy types shoot with Canon? D@mn, then I'm switching (hehe...get it, I'm a 'switcher'!)

With the gear you have now, the best way to get rid of it, is to give it all to me! So shed that boring PC-like Nikon gear off!

(Just playing, if you look at my profile, I'm a hardcore Mac user, but I hardly consider Canon like a Mac, just because it has some extra settings on the dial.)

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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The only limitation is no limitation at all...

• Bruce Lee

inhousephoto inc. digital • photography • media
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Hi Ron

...bad analogies apart I think he's not a troll...
or at least he's a clever one :-D (3months, 64 posts mostly in the Nikon forum)

If you want to spot a troll easily just watch this Phan guy, the Canon forever lawyer, getting involved in this LOL

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regards,
AdWiser

Peter Phan said:

Ron Frank said:

I'm not sure I've ever read a post so full of ignorance, and bad
analogies.

You like the D100, but think it's a PC. You don't even know what
Canon to consider, but Canon is a mac, and you're a mac man!

Have you ever shot with a Canon, or used a PC? Canon and Nikon both
can provide GREAT results! The real difference between good and bad
photography is the person holding the camera.

You're cluless as to how camera dealers do business in the used
market, and you are incapable of determining how to go about
selling used equipment!

I'm impressed!

Have you considered just purchasing some photography to hang on the
walls? It's much easier and less expensive then using that photo
equipment....

If you are looking to sell your gear by posting it here, just say
so. If you truely are ignorant of how to sell photo equipment,
maybe that Mac is not such an easy thing to use after all....

Not sure what you are trolling for here, but the post did make me lol!

Ron

lowlight... said:

Hi. I hope this will not stir up trouble; it is truly not my
intent. But after examining the Canon system, I have decided to
sell my Nikon equipment and go with a new system. I am quite fond
of using what I have. I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

I am a mac man. I have a mac. Now I want a Canon. It's that simple.
The problem is that the store from which I bought the majority of
my equipment offered me a paltry sum ($1300) for my D100, 85mm 1.8,
24-120 vr, 50mm 1.8, Sigma 17-35, sb80dx and sc17. Needless to
say, I was insulted.

I understand that photographic equipment dealers need to make a
profit. I am, however, appalled by their apparent greed as well as
their poor business sense. I have spend about $5,000 dollars with
this particular dealer; I was prepared to purchase a camera and
lens this evening, at a cost of about $5,000. Had they offered me
an equitable value in trade, I would be asking questions on the
Canon forum now, in an attempt to determine what my NEXT purchase
might be.

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped??? I
am now considering switching dealers as well as systems....

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No, Peter, it was not necessary. The best answer for a fool, however, is silence, hence my refusal to respond. This is exactly why I asked the question. I am actually a visual artist (have been for more than 30 years) who has recently become serious about photography.

I am not so naive as to assume that tools make the artists; I actually find that the Canon system is more agreeable for ME in terms of the following:

Bang for buck (I tire of paying top dollar for lenses WITHOUT afs motors)
Ergonomics (I like the feel and focusing acuity of the 1D)
Price ( I am tired of paying more for accessories simply because they are Nikon
branded)

This response is not directed to you Peter; please keep this in mind while reading the following.

I have found that going into an artists supply store and asking questions is FAR more likely to precipitate a positive response. MY EXPERIENCE with photographers (MOST of which, in my experience, lack any artistic sensibility) has typically been negative:

1. The dealers want to rip you off.

2. The "photographers" typically pride themselves on their knowledge of the operation of the technology, but have no idea what makes a good picture

3. The personalities encountered at trade shows, in photo shops and on the internet are typically CAUSTIC. ( I am being generous here.)

4. Unfortunately, MANY of the people I have encountered that are connected to photography lack the ability to separate their poorly developed emotions from intellect (perhaps due to a lack of the same) when approached with a question.

For example, I recently visited a store in southeastern Michigan and asked to examine an Olympus E-20. The sales person (who had to be approached by ME. not vise versa) queried me as to what digital camera I owned. Apparently, he was curious as to why I was interested in an E-20 when I own a D100. He went on to make several derogatory remarks about the product he should have been trying to sell, emphasizing that the E-20 was "old technology".

I indicated to him that the "old technology" still works. Oil paint works quite welll, even in the 21st century. This technology is quite old.

There are some here who seem to have a positive attitude towards viewing the tools as something to make art with. I prefer Winsor and Newton series 7 kolinsky sable brushes. I find that they AUGMENT my ability to do what I want to do with the paint! I feel no need to justify my preference, and seriously question the psychology of individuals who seem to take a question regarding a method of moving to a more accomodating set of tools so personally.

Perhaps some of us should spend less time on the net, and more time trying to find girlfriends.....

In essence, I regret having asked the question; My experience with "photogs" (perhaps the term phot-HOGS would be more appropriate, given the poor manners I have so often been made to endure) has been less than pleasant.

What is wrong with you people?

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Dennis Meyler said:

lowlight... said:

...I have just realized that I have bought into
what I consider to be the photographic equivalent of a p c. After
examining the Canon system, I have determined that it seems to be
the photographic equivalent of a mac.

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Nikon = Mac = a cold beer and hot nachos.

Dennis Meyler said:

In short, how does one sell equipment without getting pimped???

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Sell it yourself.

At a risk of sounding like the Borg on Star Trek.
What you paid for your cameras, lenses and accessories is irrelevant.
That you will buy a new camera from the dealer is irrelevant.
What you believe is an equitable value for a trade-in is irrelevant.
That you feel insulted is irrelevant.

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Wow....a humorous response bereft of ill will...germane to the issue and containing kernels of truth to boot. Impressive.

For those unable to grapple successfully with multisyllabic phonemes:

He funny...make sense...not mean.

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