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And just one add: I am disappointed on E-1, price is not an issue!
This is just too much expensive and unhonestly advertised camera...
This is new concept, but results are just one more DSLR, not
"miracle", "revolution" etc...
So you dismiss the product because of the marketing of Oly, instead
of judging the product's merits? That's a bit unfair, don't you think?
Or can you name me one single company that does not use words like
"revolutionary", "unsurpassed", "professional", "exceptional" in their
marketing lingo? You should have a look at all the billshut Sony
manages to churn out in its marketing blabla.. Slagging off Oly for
doing the same thing is a bit silly imho.

Bram

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I try to judge images, and I am not satisfied... Just one DSLR more! Nothing special, nothing better! Of course, IMO! Sorry if I disturb someone with different demands...

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Sweet spot for most lenes is usaully around F9 to F11 just look at
all the lens reviews in popular photography magazine were they
state the best all around apertures and its almost always around F9
to F11. Most of my lens best detail is at F11. But F8 is very good
too but best at F11.
That would be true if you were talking about film photography or
full-frame digital sensors. On smaller sensors, the sweet spot (and
the entire F-stops range) acts quite differently. At apertures around
F9, most cameras/lenses will show significant amounts of blur
caused by refraction due to smaller sensor sizes used with common
sized lenses. That's exactly why lenses designed specifically for a
digital sensor size are so interesting.

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If that were true about being to far away shot then it must be a
miracle that the S2 and the 10D can take sharp pictures from a
simialer distance.
Well, it can be more or less sharp, depending on the weather. Usually the air is clearer in cold weather. On the E-1 shots it looks fairly hot and it seems to be an urban area. Therefore we can't expect the air to be very clear. Hence "soft" shots at longer distances.

Jorgen
 
I am perfectly aware that the 14n uses this sensor and if you were to read the post above you would know why I posted. I should have changed the subject when I added the link by stating exactly what the link relates to.
Pops, this is NOT a Kodak sensor. It's made by FillFactory for
Kodak and used in the 14n.
Olympus can't tweak firmware this close to release unless it'll be
delayed.
BULL.
ALso, the noise is probably from the Kodak sensor. Look at the
Kodak 14n, same issues.
Tony - hellooooo - wake up. Kodak uses FillFactory sensor in 14n.
So your analysis is totally out to lunch.
Olympus would've been better off buying it
from Sony (then again sony might not make sensors for that format)
More brilliant analysis - buy it from somebody who may not make it.

I'm just realizing just how great this 4/3 situation is - all the
lemmings can bash TWO favorite scapegoats for the price of one -
Olympus AND Kodak.

George
 
I am perfectly aware that the 14n uses this sensor and if you were
to read the post above you would know why I posted. I should have
changed the subject when I added the link by stating exactly what
the link relates to.
I knew WHY you posted, but it was far from clear what point you were trying to make. Try a little text next time.
 
That would be true if you were talking about film photography or
full-frame digital sensors. On smaller sensors, the sweet spot (and
the entire F-stops range) acts quite differently. At apertures around
F9, most cameras/lenses will show significant amounts of blur
caused by refraction due to smaller sensor sizes used with common
sized lenses. That's exactly why lenses designed specifically for a
digital sensor size are so interesting.
No. not really. The E-1 sensor is actually rather large.
The problem you refer to is more evident in really small
sensor cameras, i.e. consumer ones.

Roland
 
He we go... comparing apples to oranges again!... :)

Kolja Tatic wrote:
Yes, you are right!
Apples and oranges are E-1 and 10D... 10D is better, in my opinion
and for my eyes, and for the money we must spend for apples and
oranges...

E-1 just is not good enough for $2300, IMO...
NOT 2300, body is $1799. $300 more than 10D. Don't go out when
it's wet! Have fun cleaning your sensor! Don't slippppp ..oops!
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About what you would expect for olympus. It looks like an E-20 upgrade. Again charging a premium for a low end pro camera in a prosumer class. It has acceptable images which are just behind the big two (nikon/canon). The color is really good, as it usually is with oly. Reviews will be interesting to see. Of course Oly. probably won't upgrade this model for another 2-3 years and as usual Nikon and Canon will march on. Canon about every 6-8 months and Nikon every 12-18 months. But, I'm sure this camera will give very consistant and quite good images and be a good little work horse.

Things haven't changed much.
 
Daniel,

Most above board camera dealers are quoting $1,499 for the 10D at the moment. (You might be able to find it for less but those camera dealers aren't the type companies are referring to when they quote an "estimated street" price.) Let's keep things as equal as possible when making price comparisons.

Thanks,

Kevin
He we go... comparing apples to oranges again!... :)

Kolja Tatic wrote:
Yes, you are right!
Apples and oranges are E-1 and 10D... 10D is better, in my opinion
and for my eyes, and for the money we must spend for apples and
oranges...

E-1 just is not good enough for $2300, IMO...
NOT 2300, body is $1799. $300 more than 10D. Don't go out when
it's wet! Have fun cleaning your sensor! Don't slippppp ..oops!
:> )
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Hope this preproduction cameras pictures arent what the actual E1
does as these are quite poor pictures # P8110022.jpe is at f8 at
1/500 a sec and is very very soft, blurry almost.
Probably lens 'sweet spot' is somewhere f4 to f5.6 ... at f8 it
will start go soft

Jukka
f8 soft? Wow, that would be a terrible lens indeed. My bet is that the image is without post processing and has not been sharpened in camera.
 
It's not the pictures... It's the fact monitors are low resolution deivces, yours is probably the cheapest you could find, jpeg images are compressed, you don't have a clue as to what the variables or conditions were when these shots were taken, this is not a production camera, and you are basing your comparisons on your assupmption of what the same scene taken with another camera MIGHT look like. These FACTS compounded with your obvious limited knowledge of photography, computers and digital imaging have obviously confused you. I do admire your courage for sticking your neck out though... :)

My suggestion for you is to chill until we can view some imperical results from what Olympus will tout as a "production" camera... OK brother?
 
Now - this is what I see in this comparison. I know that the E-1
is a pre production camera and the comparison might favour
the D100 for that reason. But this is what I see, and I hope that
you agree.

1. The lighter parts in the E-1 picture is blown out, the picture
is over exposed. This of course create some problems for
the quality of the E-1 picture.

2. The D100 has lots more detail - it is sharper. You can look at the
clock and the text. You can also look at the bricks. The difference
is (IMHO) very clear. The D100 is what I would expect from a
DSLR (with a larger sensor and a good lens). The E-1 is what I
would expect from a noticably smaller sensor or a not so good lens.
I have tried to use USM to make the E-1 picture as sharp as the
D100 picture, without any success.

This is of course if the D100 is to the left and E-1 to the right.
If it is the other way around, the quality is in favour for E-1.

And, I have no problems whatsoever with it being the other
way around. It would only be good if Oly surprised us with
a very good camera. Except maybe that the D100 lens quality
then would be surprisingly low.

Roland
 
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Datetime 2003:08:26 13:57:30
YCbCr positioning co-sited
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Metering mode Pattern
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User comment
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Artist
Copyright
Miscellaneous
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