Greg Gebhardt
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I will now hold my breath till I turn blue!
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How COLD can you get. Waaaaaaaaaaaa!
I will now hold my breath till I turn blue!
Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
Greg Gebhardt
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--Ahhhhhh, his eyes have been opened!
Here's the thing. Never forget this. I know we like to SAY that
it's not about pixel count. But... and you need to understand where
I'm coming from here:
BRUTE FORCE REALLY DOES WORK SOMETIMES.
The shear force of 8 megapixels is going to be enough to overcome
some problems.
What may not look squeaky clean at 8MP will definitely look
glorious when shot or downsampled at 5MP. This is part of the point
with an 8MP camera: When you are in ideal light, shoot it at 8MP.
When you have less than ideal light, turn that ISO up and then
either shoot it at 5MP or 3MP, or else downsample the high-rez
image. Either way, the BRUTE FORCE of the CRAZY 8 will make up for
a lot (NOT NEARLY ALL... but a lot...) of evils.
Hope that makes sense.
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Ulysses
Should I ge thte A1 for a "technology fix" till the 828 gets here or do I just need to cancel it and wait. Oh GOD, I hate to wait.
Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
Mark Ransom
Veteran Member
Will you be able to get rid of the camera once you have it? After all, it has at least one feature (stabilization) that is not going to be duplicated on another camera for a long time.
It is much easier to give up something you never had in the first place. Don't eat the forbidden fruit.
Either that, or be prepared to buy an orchard.
It is much easier to give up something you never had in the first place. Don't eat the forbidden fruit.
Either that, or be prepared to buy an orchard.
koo22
Veteran Member
I almost preordered the A1, and I'm still reserving judgment. But the 828 just seems more promising right now. You can still keep your preorder for the A1, and just return it within the time they give you...if you're not happy. Hopefully by that time we will be seeing more images from the Sony. I also know it's hard to wait......I HATE to wait!! (wasn't that a commercial a few years ago)? 
) K.
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simon bennett
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ie: Isn't Theodore greek for God's gift ? Wouldn't you know which of the latest digital cameras God wants you to buy? 
This has to be a test, Greg. Are you a religious man? Do you pray at the altar of Sony or Canon - or are you an artist with Good Photos being your religion.
These are all rhetorical questions
This has to be a test, Greg. Are you a religious man? Do you pray at the altar of Sony or Canon - or are you an artist with Good Photos being your religion.
These are all rhetorical questions
David_S85
Senior Member
I don't need to remind you of this, do I?
No. No I don't. Do I? But it WILL happen.
- David
lharris
Veteran Member
Greg- I am curious. Are the A1 pictures in your opinion worse than the current 7hi or just not to the benchmark you expected?
Though many folks dislike the 7 series for the noise, I thoroughly enjoyed using the 7hi. If the A1 photos are as good as the 7hi -plus the new features--I would likely find it satisfying--except for the higher price tag.
So, did you think the photos were 'worse' than the 7hi?
The Sony series was always sharper, but I never mastered either the 707 or 717 as I possibly should have. I am hoping for both cameras, the A1 and the 828--but only because I think the 828 will be a bit hefty for me in many situations.
I may not have the processing expertise to really analyze these photos that is why I ask about the comparison of the A1 to the 7hi vs the A1 to the idealization of the A1...
Make any sense to you? I , too, have a preorder--but have sold my 7Hi.
My concern is not that the A1 be the grandaddy of all prosumers, but that it at least measure up to the photo quality of the 7Hi and have the enhanced feature set.
Anyone have a comment on this last part?
Linda
Though many folks dislike the 7 series for the noise, I thoroughly enjoyed using the 7hi. If the A1 photos are as good as the 7hi -plus the new features--I would likely find it satisfying--except for the higher price tag.
So, did you think the photos were 'worse' than the 7hi?
The Sony series was always sharper, but I never mastered either the 707 or 717 as I possibly should have. I am hoping for both cameras, the A1 and the 828--but only because I think the 828 will be a bit hefty for me in many situations.
I may not have the processing expertise to really analyze these photos that is why I ask about the comparison of the A1 to the 7hi vs the A1 to the idealization of the A1...
Make any sense to you? I , too, have a preorder--but have sold my 7Hi.
My concern is not that the A1 be the grandaddy of all prosumers, but that it at least measure up to the photo quality of the 7Hi and have the enhanced feature set.
Anyone have a comment on this last part?
Linda
--He just doesn't have that kind of willpower.
Cameras... ANY cameras... make Greg weak in the knees. It's like
he's in a trance and walking toward the flame.
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Ulysses
You know me too well. I am really thinking about cancelling at the
Minolta stuff. From what I see that Minolta Japan posted, that
would be about the best the A1 will be able to do. The unofficail
images had good and bad. The "AS" worked on the ball but the noise
was pretty bad on other images.
To me more nise than the 717, do YOU think the 828 will show any
improvement in best .jpeg mode?
Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
lharris
Veteran Member
Hmmn-Uly--do YOU think the A1 photos are at the very least 'equal' to the 7hi?
BTW? It is not that some of us have no 'will-power'---we have plenty of that.
What we don't have is 'won't-power'......
BTW? It is not that some of us have no 'will-power'---we have plenty of that.
What we don't have is 'won't-power'......
Though many folks dislike the 7 series for the noise, I thoroughly
enjoyed using the 7hi. If the A1 photos are as good as the 7hi
-plus the new features--I would likely find it satisfying--except
for the higher price tag.
So, did you think the photos were 'worse' than the 7hi?
The Sony series was always sharper, but I never mastered either the
707 or 717 as I possibly should have. I am hoping for both cameras,
the A1 and the 828--but only because I think the 828 will be a bit
hefty for me in many situations.
I may not have the processing expertise to really analyze these
photos that is why I ask about the comparison of the A1 to the 7hi
vs the A1 to the idealization of the A1...
Make any sense to you? I , too, have a preorder--but have sold my 7Hi.
My concern is not that the A1 be the grandaddy of all prosumers,
but that it at least measure up to the photo quality of the 7Hi and
have the enhanced feature set.
Anyone have a comment on this last part?
Linda
--He just doesn't have that kind of willpower.
Cameras... ANY cameras... make Greg weak in the knees. It's like
he's in a trance and walking toward the flame.
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Ulysses
You know me too well. I am really thinking about cancelling at the
Minolta stuff. From what I see that Minolta Japan posted, that
would be about the best the A1 will be able to do. The unofficail
images had good and bad. The "AS" worked on the ball but the noise
was pretty bad on other images.
To me more nise than the 717, do YOU think the 828 will show any
improvement in best .jpeg mode?
Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
Gene Miller77510
Senior Member
Then I say that you are listening to to a false God. We here all know on this STF that he favors Sony.
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Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!
mike bustad
Forum Pro
--I have made up my mind on the 828. I was looking at the A-1 real hard and it looks good but I still believe the 828 is the camera to beat
Mike
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Ulysses
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Oh, yeah! At the very least. And at least from the online samples I'm seeing (I've only seen pre-pro samples otherwise), I do think that it's doing at least as well as the regular 7-series shots. Probably a little bit better.
What I'm getting at is that if users want and expect an improvement, it's not the images themselves that will demonstrate the significant changes. It's the camera controls. It was similar with the G2 to G3 upgrade. The images themselves are not significantly different in the upgraded model. But the controls were stepped up. The A1 will do the same in comparison to the 7-series for Minolta. This is a GOOD thing. Many folks will want it for the added control.
Ulysses
What I'm getting at is that if users want and expect an improvement, it's not the images themselves that will demonstrate the significant changes. It's the camera controls. It was similar with the G2 to G3 upgrade. The images themselves are not significantly different in the upgraded model. But the controls were stepped up. The A1 will do the same in comparison to the 7-series for Minolta. This is a GOOD thing. Many folks will want it for the added control.
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If the F828 really performs reasonably well, you'd really get out of the dSLR game?
Does that mean selling your equipment???
If so, then why so?
Ulysses
Does that mean selling your equipment???
If so, then why so?
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I keep saying I have all the equipment I need and then I see a mention of some new thing I just have to have. The latest buy is not technology but something to carry all the stuff in. I just ordered a rolling backpack which at the best price I could find was still $300. However after thinking about what I had invested in equipment and keeping it safe and sparing these middle aged bones I bought it. If there is any space left I will probably have to find something new to fill it with (grin)
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Ulysses
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Phil is on the job, and no doubt, he's seen the 'Bat Signal" requesting reliable info.
If you can hang on until the good stuff comes out on both cameras, I'm sure it will serve you well.
Ulysses
If you can hang on until the good stuff comes out on both cameras, I'm sure it will serve you well.
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Ulysses
lharris
Veteran Member
Who needs cameras--let's all just learn how to do these neat processing tricks!
If you can hang on until the good stuff comes out on both cameras,
I'm sure it will serve you well.
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Ulysses
Greg Gebhardt
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--ie: Isn't Theodore greek for God's gift ? Wouldn't you know which
of the latest digital cameras God wants you to buy?
This has to be a test, Greg. Are you a religious man? Do you pray
at the altar of Sony or Canon - or are you an artist with Good
Photos being your religion.
These are all rhetorical questions
that LOVE photography and computers.
Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
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