Forgot about what a great camera the A6500 is.

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I bought an a7rii a couple months ago and even though I own a Sony A6500 I have not picked it up in a while. Been too busy mastering the use of the a7rii which is a great camera. Yesterday decided to use my A6500 for some birding and other photos around the property. I forgot what a great camera the A6500 is. The focus tracking and touch screen is fantastic. Wish the a7rii did as good. Plus the 6500 just takes great pictures. I use mostly FF glass with it. Tried my new FE 70-300mm with it and it did great. Just like my 90mm Macro, 28mm and 55mm 1.8. They all do great on the A6500. I have the 18-105 as well. Great lens. I had entertained getting the A9 and selling the a7rii and A6500 but decided to just keep both and skip the A9. Glad I did. A 6500 is all I need for sports, wildlife, action and other uses. Also I think with the release of the A9 it really speaks well of the value in the a6500 since both share many of the same features and focusing upgrades.
 
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Do you use the in-camera HDR? Does it do a better job than your phone?
 
This thread is great for my confirmation bias! Just ordered an a6500 yesterday, going to be a huge upgrade from my a5000! What I am wondering is how well my sigma lenses (19/30 f2.8) will work with the autofocus. Already tossing around the idea of selling them along with my rokinon 21 and picking up the zeiss 24 which would make my kit the rokinon 12, zeiss 24 and sony 50. That sounds like a pretty good set of primes!
 
Agree! Now if only Sony would remember to make new lenses for their APS-C cameras...
 
Agree! Now if only Sony would remember to make new lenses for their APS-C cameras...
A) new zooms

1) Kit: an 16-50mk2 comparable in IQ with e.g., Nikkor AF-P 18-55G @ $95 (vs. the z16-70 @ 10x );

2) UWA: an 10-18 comparable in IQ with e.g., STM 10-18mm @220E, or the new Nikkor AF-P 10-20G @ $300

B) new pancakes (see the "Premium pancakes" thread)

I love the Nex and Alpha APS bodies; arguably the best IQ/$ * gram that money can buy today, used or new. But the Sony/Zeiss glass is either too expensive (see A1/2), or questionable in IQ/QC, or both. Luckily there's Sigma to alleviate some of the problems.
 
I bought an a7rii a couple months ago and even though I own a Sony A6500 I have not picked it up in a while. Been too busy mastering the use of the a7rii which is a great camera. Yesterday decided to use my A6500 for some birding and other photos around the property. I forgot what a great camera the A6500 is. The focus tracking and touch screen is fantastic. Wish the a7rii did as good. Plus the 6500 just takes great pictures. I use mostly FF glass with it. Tried my new FE 70-300mm with it and it did great. Just like my 90mm Macro, 28mm and 55mm 1.8. They all do great on the A6500. I have the 18-105 as well. Great lens. I had entertained getting the A9 and selling the a7rii and A6500 but decided to just keep both and skip the A9. Glad I did. A 6500 is all I need for sports, wildlife, action and other uses. Also I think with the release of the A9 it really speaks well of the value in the a6500 since both share many of the same features and focusing upgrades.
It is a good combo. I wouldn't mind having those 2 bodies myself. I just can't because of other considertions and budget constrains.

And this brings me to the thought that if the A7 iii will have the AF of the a6500, or at least very close to it, keep it at 24mp, has 4k video, even if cropped, and also touch screen, I would not think of the a6500 or the A7R ii anymore! :) At U$2,000-2,200, it would be a good buy.

Here's hoping that Sony finally put a fully articulating screen on their cameras. And implement a touch screen that their cell phones already are capable.
 
Agree! Now if only Sony would remember to make new lenses for their APS-C cameras...
I wish that too. But right now, the battle has shifted to the 35FF cameras. With the looming 2020 Tokyo Summer Olympics 3 years away, they will have to focus their energies to filling in those missing long range lenses (400mm f2.8 or f4.0, and maybe a 500m f4.0).

But if they can release a bit of a longish lens in aps-c that is fast, like a 50-150 f2.8 OSS or 70-150 f2.8 OSS, that would help a lot. A fast kit would also sell well. Something in the lines of what Sigma did. An f1.8 17-35 or whereabouts.

Plus The A7 ii needs updatingn as it is nearing 3 years old. And rumours of a Canon 6D ii needs to be blunted. So, I don't think the aps-c lenses are in it for this year at least.

What is possible, however is an a6700 later. Hopefully, it should correct the weaknesses of Sony. For example, when are they going to put a real articulating screen? Or implement a touch screen that is not just goof for focusing? Those are not difficult things to implement.
 
Agree! Now if only Sony would remember to make new lenses for their APS-C cameras...
I wish that too. But right now, the battle has shifted to the 35FF cameras. With the looming 2020 Tokyo Summer Olympics 3 years away, they will have to focus their energies to filling in those missing long range lenses (400mm f2.8 or f4.0, and maybe a 500m f4.0).
That's where Sony is choosing to fight, but that doesn't mean it has to be that way. There's money to be made in APS-C, still. Nikon, Canon and Fuji are all selling plenty of APS-C kits (and micro 4/3 is close enough) that there's a market out there for Sony to compete in if they broadened their APS-C offerings.
What is possible, however is an a6700 later. Hopefully, it should correct the weaknesses of Sony. For example, when are they going to put a real articulating screen?
I doubt Sony sees that as a weakness. And not all customers/reviewers agree on it. Sony likes their tilting LCDs. Personally, I like the articulating screens that can be stored in reversed position, like Panasonic uses. A bigger concern of mine on the APS-C bodies is the lack of front & back control dials (one for thumb, one for index finger). But that's not a big deal, either.
Or implement a touch screen that is not just goof for focusing? Those are not difficult things to implement.
I have yet to use a still camera with a touch screen (other than the A6500 that I just bought) so have nothing in the way of expectations - I could happily live without it. But I've seen enough comments to get the idea that this is something that would be very welcome by a lot of people.

Before I bought the A6500, I spent a couple weeks looking at the competition ... I actually intended to pick up an X100(n) or possibly a small X ILC body and a small prime to have something more "fun" to use than my A6000 (most of my concerns with it are addressed by the A6500). One of the things that still nags a little is the lack of a quality compact lens. The 20/2.8 is just mediocre from all reports and is only f/2.8. I own the 16/2.8 and it's also mediocre (actually brilliant in the center and soft on the edges, making it fine for some uses) but it's too wide for one-lens-only use. But every other alternative, from Fuji ILCs to Olympus to Panasonic to broadening my Nikon DSLR kit has significant weaknesses. Even the highly touted lens lineups from Fuji & m43 have their holes.

I think Sony is pretty smart to aggressively pursue FF. I which they'd pursue APS-C half as aggressively, but c'est la vie. The lens lineup, counting 3rd party and FF lenses, looks a good bit more attractive than it did a couple years ago. The biggest holes in the lineup IMO are a truly desirable midrange zoom (16-70/4 specs are fine; if only it didn't suffer from so much sample variation and performed like Nikon's new 16-80/2.8-4 - like people expect from a $1000 zoom) and few more appropriate wide primes. One or two higher quality pancakes (Samsung, Canon and Panasonic have all shown that fast, high quality pancakes are viable) and a reasonably priced 35mm equivalent (preferably more compact than the 24/1.8 ... something like Fuji's 23/2) would go a long way - I'm sure a quality 16mm would, too, though I'm happy using a zoom at that range. So there's my recipe for improving the lens lineup:

18/2 & 28/2 pancakes w/quality of Fuji & Samsung pancakes
16mm prime emphasis on quality over compactness
23/2 w/nice balance of compactness, price & IQ - should be half the price of Zeiss 24/1.8
16-70/4 II or similar (should start at 16 and go to at least 70, fixed f/4 or f/2.8-4 or f/3.5-4.5)

That won't satisfy those who want f/2.8 zooms ... I can see the case for a 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 ... those might help sell more A6500s at the expense of Nikon & Canon DSLRs.

Anyway, it's all a pipe dream, because Sony is pushing FF instead :)

- Dennis
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Gallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com
 
"So there's my recipe for improving the lens lineup:

18/2 & 28/2 pancakes w/quality of Fuji & Samsung pancakes
16mm prime emphasis on quality over compactness
23/2 w/nice balance of compactness, price & IQ - should be half the price of Zeiss 24/1.8
16-70/4 II or similar (should start at 16 and go to at least 70, fixed f/4 or f/2.8-4 or f/3.5-4.5)

That won't satisfy those who want f/2.8 zooms ... I can see the case for a 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 ... those might help sell more A6500s at the expense of Nikon & Canon DSLRs.

Anyway, it's all a pipe dream, because Sony is pushing FF instead"

+1

Where do we sign? :-)
 
Where do we sign? :-)
On the dotted line ...

Meanwhile, after exploring the competition and deciding the grass isn't greener anywhere else (just different shades) I upgraded my A6000 to a (used) A6500, bought a used 10-18 and the A6500 was in a kit with a Sigma 30/1.4 which I can compare to my 28/2 FE for a bit and decide which to keep. (Used purchases from forum members here on dpr). I also have the Sigma 60/2.8 which I haven't used a lot (I still prefer to grab my D7000 with 85/1.8 when I want to shoot candids, but if the A6500's AF is fast, I might be tempted to go for the new FE 85/1.8). Plenty of good stuff to enjoy, even if it isn't tailor-made for me ;)

- Dennis
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Gallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com
 
I own an A7R (didn't want to buy an expensive R2 with the next generation coming). I bought my daughter an Alpha 6500 as she is a bird / wildlife photographer primarily.

The 6500 is so good I use it in preference to my A7R in almost any circumstances other than normal / wide landscape photography.

It's an amazingly competent camera for practically any purposes.
 
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Agree! Now if only Sony would remember to make new lenses for their APS-C cameras...
I wish that too. But right now, the battle has shifted to the 35FF cameras. With the looming 2020 Tokyo Summer Olympics 3 years away, they will have to focus their energies to filling in those missing long range lenses (400mm f2.8 or f4.0, and maybe a 500m f4.0).
That's where Sony is choosing to fight, but that doesn't mean it has to be that way. There's money to be made in APS-C, still. Nikon, Canon and Fuji are all selling plenty of APS-C kits (and micro 4/3 is close enough) that there's a market out there for Sony to compete in if they broadened their APS-C offerings.
What is possible, however is an a6700 later. Hopefully, it should correct the weaknesses of Sony. For example, when are they going to put a real articulating screen?
I doubt Sony sees that as a weakness. And not all customers/reviewers agree on it. Sony likes their tilting LCDs. Personally, I like the articulating screens that can be stored in reversed position, like Panasonic uses. A bigger concern of mine on the APS-C bodies is the lack of front & back control dials (one for thumb, one for index finger). But that's not a big deal, either.
Or implement a touch screen that is not just goof for focusing? Those are not difficult things to implement.
I have yet to use a still camera with a touch screen (other than the A6500 that I just bought) so have nothing in the way of expectations - I could happily live without it. But I've seen enough comments to get the idea that this is something that would be very welcome by a lot of people.

Before I bought the A6500, I spent a couple weeks looking at the competition ... I actually intended to pick up an X100(n) or possibly a small X ILC body and a small prime to have something more "fun" to use than my A6000 (most of my concerns with it are addressed by the A6500). One of the things that still nags a little is the lack of a quality compact lens. The 20/2.8 is just mediocre from all reports and is only f/2.8. I own the 16/2.8 and it's also mediocre (actually brilliant in the center and soft on the edges, making it fine for some uses) but it's too wide for one-lens-only use. But every other alternative, from Fuji ILCs to Olympus to Panasonic to broadening my Nikon DSLR kit has significant weaknesses. Even the highly touted lens lineups from Fuji & m43 have their holes.
It's good to know people are doing research and studying options before they buy! :)
I think Sony is pretty smart to aggressively pursue FF. I which they'd pursue APS-C half as aggressively, but c'est la vie. The lens lineup, counting 3rd party and FF lenses, looks a good bit more attractive than it did a couple years ago. The biggest holes in the lineup IMO are a truly desirable midrange zoom (16-70/4 specs are fine; if only it didn't suffer from so much sample variation and performed like Nikon's new 16-80/2.8-4 - like people expect from a $1000 zoom) and few more appropriate wide primes. One or two higher quality pancakes (Samsung, Canon and Panasonic have all shown that fast, high quality pancakes are viable) and a reasonably priced 35mm equivalent (preferably more compact than the 24/1.8 ... something like Fuji's 23/2) would go a long way - I'm sure a quality 16mm would, too, though I'm happy using a zoom at that range. So there's my recipe for improving the lens lineup:
Actually, your assessment is pretty accurate. But maybe Canon and Sony knows something we don't. In fact, if I am not correct, Canon has not even put out an aps-c lens faster than f2.8! At least Sony has some primes that are faster than that! But Sony can sure use a 16-50 f2.8 OSS like the famous 17-55 f2.8 IS ef-s lens of Canon! That could assuage some frustration a bit. Right now, some are turning to the sigma 18-35 f1.8 for their needs of a fast zoom. It's a bit big, but maybe Sony can pare it down a bit if they offer the same FL and lens speed?!
18/2 & 28/2 pancakes w/quality of Fuji & Samsung pancakes
16mm prime emphasis on quality over compactness
23/2 w/nice balance of compactness, price & IQ - should be half the price of Zeiss 24/1.8
16-70/4 II or similar (should start at 16 and go to at least 70, fixed f/4 or f/2.8-4 or f/3.5-4.5)

That won't satisfy those who want f/2.8 zooms ... I can see the case for a 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 ... those might help sell more A6500s at the expense of Nikon & Canon DSLRs.

Anyway, it's all a pipe dream, because Sony is pushing FF instead :)
For now. I think they'll get it some time later. The 2020 Olympics is putting a lot of pressure on them to give it their best in their A9 and other 35FF bodies (plus lenses).

But if they could sneak in a fast zoom like a 16-50 f2.8 OSS by 2019, it would make a lot happy! :)
 
I own an A7R (didn't want to buy an expensive R2 with the next generation coming). I bought my daughter an Alpha 6500 as she is a bird / wildlife photographer primarily.

The 6500 is so good I use it in preference to my A7R in almost any circumstances other than normal / wide landscape photography.

It's an amazingly competent camera for practically any purposes.
personally, for my style of shooting and needs. much as I like to shift to A7's, I probably won't at this time. Maybe the A7R ii, I could consider. But even that is about 65-70% of my needs.

What would be nice is an A7 iii that has the AF and 4k video of the a6500. Hopefully, Sony has it in their timetable to upgrade that this year, or at least 1st Q or 2018! The a7 ii will be 3 years old by Nov. And I am sure, that the older Canon 6D will have a 6d mk2 that will come out soon. What better time to release the A7 iii than this year? It should blunt any thoughts for many getting a 6D mk2!

Now, the reason you like the a6500 is because it is snappy. It's AF is top class. The A7R is going to look like an aging Canon 5d mk1 vs a 750d or 800d! The closest one can go is the A7R ii, but that is not exactly cheap.

We are in the middle of transition, so we just have to be patient. What is clear so far, is Sony is willing to move the AF tech and go with 4k video for future cameras, especially at the mid-price point versions for aps-c cameras. With the A7 line, they just relegate the old models as the entry level or low priced level as they introduce the mk3 versions.

But with a big jump in AF performance, plus potential use of IBIS in future models, it's hard not to be tempted to upgrade. The improvements simply are not minor. IBIS for example helps a lot in making all lenses mounted better, especially those without OSS. And as you have experienced with the a6500, superior AF also helps. So, I think future upgrades right now are going to be meaningful to many. It may be a bit costly though. And this is why I stuck to a a5100 right now. I'll probably wait it out till Nov to see what they are all going to release. The thing is, I know what I want and need. So, it will just take a bit of patience to see how things go.
 

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