D7000 and AF-P lenses

SantaFeBill said:

What is it about the Nikkor AF-P lenses that make them incompatible with the D7000 and other earlier Nikon DSLRs?

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I was trying to figure this out myself. One thing that caught my eye is this bit of marketroid language in the 10-20mm AF-P literature: "To eliminate unintentional changes to the VR ON/OFF and AF/MF settings, those controls have been moved to the camera menu, and their status can be easily verified in your camera’s information display."

What a great example of turning a negative into a positive, my hat's off to Nikon's marketing goons.

Anyway, if it's anything like STM, the purpose is to further eliminate sound coming from the focus motor. The Nikon One lenses already do this and are, if I understand correctly, class-leading in terms of mirrorless focus acquisition and speed.

In other words maybe this signals the onset of a mirrorless Nikon DX camera?

Greg.

Nikon would rather you purchase a new camera to use their new lenses rather than redesign their old menu systems to include the VR on/off feature.

Its really that simple.

SkvLTD said:

New tech will phase the old out, at some point, for better I suppose.

Why can't ancient cameras use these? Aperture is now controlled via NEW motors that need NEW firmware commands and creating updates for long-phased-out bodies just doesn't make much sense considering 2-4 levels of successors to them out already.

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The D7200 is in the same boat, and it isn't even replaced yet--not exactly 2-4 levels of succession.

SkvLTD said:

Only real benefit here is for video, which was non-existent/potato quality on those oldies anyway. Stick to the 3rd party stuff if you want to sit on your 7k.

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Sensors capture and render that light, so best sensor always wins despite glass outlasting the sensors.

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Jim Keye said:

The D7200 is in the same boat, and it isn't even replaced yet--not exactly 2-4 levels of succession.

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According to the Nikon U.S. site, the D7200 uses AF-P lenses.

Jim Keye said:

The D7200 is in the same boat, and it isn't even replaced yet--not exactly 2-4 levels of succession.

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My D7100, which I bought refurb 2 years ago after the D7200 had already come out, can use the 70-300 AFP VR (which I own).

SantaFeBill said:

Jim Keye said:

The D7200 is in the same boat, and it isn't even replaced yet--not exactly 2-4 levels of succession.

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According to the Nikon U.S. site, the D7200 uses AF-P lenses.

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That's not exactly an accurate picture.

The number of cameras compatible with both lenses is limited. Even for compatible cameras, firmware update may be required*. Fully compatible models: D7500, D5600, D5500, D5300*, D3400, D3300*, D500 and later models

Compatible models with limited functions: D5, D810 series, Df, D750, D7200, D7100, D5200, Nikon 1 series with the FT1

Incompatible models: D4 series, D3 series, D2 series, D1 series, D800 series, D700, D610, D600, D300 series, D200, D100, D7000, D5100, D5000, D90, D80, D70 series, D3200, D3100, D3000, D60, D50, D40 series, film cameras

According to Thom's site regarding the D7200 and "P" lenses: "have no way to set VR and may change focus position if the camera’s meter goes inactive (requiring you to re-obtain focus)"

My complaint is this: 10-24 should either be redone, or this lens should be compatible with more bodies. (Yes there's the 12-24, but it too needs redone in a couple of ways.)

So now I'm back to 3rd-party options, where I'll have to wonder about focus performance, have rings that twist the opposite way, etc.

Nikon isn't just shooting themselves in the DX foot, it's almost like they're ridiculing it. But hey, here's a 2K 28mm lens that we'll sell like 50 copies of. Yay! Oh, also, here's a fun-for-5-minutes but otherwise mostly useless fish-eye zoom just so you know we're keeping up with the Jonses. (What? A 17-35 redo would have made infinitely more sense? Of course it would have--that's why we skipped it!) And you wanted us to do something practical like produce lenses to modern standards that fully works on the body you bought last year? Yeah, sorry, I know it seems like we wanted to sell you something, but really, we're just here to introduce you to Sigma and some of her friends.

LOL! Your post is right on. I'm laughing, but it hurts.

inlawbiker said:

SantaFeBill said:

What is it about the Nikkor AF-P lenses that make them incompatible with the D7000 and other earlier Nikon DSLRs?

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I was trying to figure this out myself. One thing that caught my eye is this bit of marketroid language in the 10-20mm AF-P literature: "To eliminate unintentional changes to the VR ON/OFF and AF/MF settings, those controls have been moved to the camera menu, and their status can be easily verified in your camera’s information display."

What a great example of turning a negative into a positive, my hat's off to Nikon's marketing goons.

Anyway, if it's anything like STM, the purpose is to further eliminate sound coming from the focus motor. The Nikon One lenses already do this and are, if I understand correctly, class-leading in terms of mirrorless focus acquisition and speed.

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I think the purpose is to enable them to reduce the production costs of the new DX lenses.

Seriously - who would rather go through a menu system than simply look at your lens?

inlawbiker said:

In other words maybe this signals the onset of a mirrorless Nikon DX camera?

Greg.

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this thread kind of saved me. I didn't realize this lens wouldn't work on any of my cameras (i mean fully work, i know it would mount). i was ready to pre-order it. I guess i'll still consider the new Tamron.

SkvLTD said:

Only real benefit here is for video, which was non-existent/potato quality on those oldies anyway. Stick to the 3rd party stuff if you want to sit on your 7k.

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I just purchased an used Sigma 10-20 from B&H. At first I was looking at the Nikon AF-P and I was told it would work with my D7100 & D3300 but not my D7000s (I have two).

Made no sense to me to purchase a lens that would only work with half of my cameras.

The Sigma works well with all 4.