Best way to Access/transfer AVCHD files to Harddrive for Editing in FCPx

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I took a bunch of video clips on my recent trip to Greece, and they were all recorded in AVCHD. I'm seeing the problem with this now in that when I open the memory card contents from my computer, I see one file called AVCHD which seems to serve as some sort of 'package'. Within that package, I have all the files, but I cannot simply grab them from within the package and drag them to my computer's Hard drive (working on a Mac). They must be opened first, within (presumably) Quicktime player. Then I can save them to my harddrive, but only as .MOV (and I'd like to save them as .MP4)


I also have VLC on my computer.


And I have FCP X on my computer but not sure how it would help.

Is there any better way to go about getting all these files off the memory card?

Is there a program or a way where I can browse that singular AVCHD package and drag items from it?

Thanks for any help as I limp through this - probably going to just record in .MP4 going forward so I can avoid this mess.
 
I'm not sure why you'd step down to MP4 to avoid a "mess" that others don't have trouble with. I just drag the AVCHD folder onto my drive and use iMovie, which sees the files just fine.
 
Lightroom works well with video files.
 
Strange you are unable to drag the MTS files, or even the entire PRIVATE subfolder, from your SD card to the Mac hard drive. Other people do. Copy and paste works for all recent MS PCs. If a computer is old, the problem might be that the pre-SDHC card reader or USB-1 connection are simply too slow for HD files hauled in mass.

Converting the files from AVCHD to MP4 or MOV will not save space and will only result in quality loss, since these are all "lossy" formats. AVCHD is already space-efficient. If you try to make the MP4 or MOV files smaller, this will be possible only by cutting the bitrates and even more image quality loss.

It is possible to edit AVCHD without any conversion. Post 2010 iMovie should allow this. Loss-less editing is possible in some edit tools, if you insert no effects or grading. FCP does support ProRes or AIC as low-compression intermediate formats, for advanced edits, but this is likely outside your needs.
 
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I took a bunch of video clips on my recent trip to Greece, and they were all recorded in AVCHD. I'm seeing the problem with this now in that when I open the memory card contents from my computer, I see one file called AVCHD which seems to serve as some sort of 'package'. Within that package, I have all the files, but I cannot simply grab them from within the package and drag them to my computer's Hard drive (working on a Mac). They must be opened first, within (presumably) Quicktime player. Then I can save them to my harddrive, but only as .MOV (and I'd like to save them as .MP4)
I don't have any SD cards with AVCHD files on them at the moment so rather than go by memory, here's some instructions I just found online:

"In Mountain Lion, movies are now locked into Quicktime so the folder structure containing your .mts movie files on SD cards and devices is now all hidden under a file called PRIVATE. To get to the files, hold down the Control key and click on the PRIVATE file. In the popup menu, select Show Contents and repeat through the files until you reach your original .mts files, which can then be dragged to the desktop."

In other words, you can definitely open up the card using the Mac's file explorer and open the AVCHD package. IIRC you have to open two packages in total and then poke around in the folders to find the movie files (I think they're in .mts format). VLC will play .mts just fine, btw.
 
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I took a bunch of video clips on my recent trip to Greece, and they were all recorded in AVCHD. I'm seeing the problem with this now in that when I open the memory card contents from my computer, I see one file called AVCHD which seems to serve as some sort of 'package'. Within that package, I have all the files, but I cannot simply grab them from within the package and drag them to my computer's Hard drive (working on a Mac). They must be opened first, within (presumably) Quicktime player. Then I can save them to my harddrive, but only as .MOV (and I'd like to save them as .MP4)

I also have VLC on my computer.

And I have FCP X on my computer but not sure how it would help.

Is there any better way to go about getting all these files off the memory card?
Yup. What's the 'best' way is rather subjective, and as we've established from the comments there are several ways to skin the cat, so I won't comment but just one or two other ways. Better, possibly, but choose yourself.
Is there a program or a way where I can browse that singular AVCHD package and drag items from it?
Yup. You can transcode the AVCHD files into a more usable format with apps like ClipWrap (AVCHD) or EditReady (AVCHD, XAVC-S, etc.), for example, and then import the resulting video clips into FCPX. I consider that the 'better' way.

I haven't used AVCHD files or iMovie in ages, but I believe the latest iMovie might be able to read and import the video clips off the messy AVCHD file structure and convert them on the fly, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
What I did notice a long while ago, though, is that earlier Aparture, and nowadays Apple Photos can import those video clips, too, along with all the metadata, and you can even trim them inside Photos if you want, and then send them over to FCPX or into any folder you want, in .mov format. Without having to dig into the convoluted Private folders and pry out the compressed .mts files.
Thanks for any help as I limp through this - probably going to just record in .MP4 going forward so I can avoid this mess.
Hold your horses. Check the specs first, because chances are the mp4 option in your camera is even more compressed than the AVCHD option. Often it is. Check out bitrate (mbps) and file sizes (MB) each option is offering. Bigger number means better, even though it means bigger file size, too. But the files are rather small, anyway.

The AVCHD format is a PITA for editing, but it's doable, and why give up even more quality if you can have it with just a little bit more work.
 
I took a bunch of video clips on my recent trip to Greece, and they were all recorded in AVCHD. I'm seeing the problem with this now in that when I open the memory card contents from my computer, I see one file called AVCHD which seems to serve as some sort of 'package'. Within that package, I have all the files, but I cannot simply grab them from within the package and drag them to my computer's Hard drive (working on a Mac). They must be opened first, within (presumably) Quicktime player. Then I can save them to my harddrive, but only as .MOV (and I'd like to save them as .MP4)
I don't have any SD cards with AVCHD files on them at the moment so rather than go by memory, here's some instructions I just found online:

"In Mountain Lion, movies are now locked into Quicktime so the folder structure containing your .mts movie files on SD cards and devices is now all hidden under a file called PRIVATE. To get to the files, hold down the Control key and click on the PRIVATE file. In the popup menu, select Show Contents and repeat through the files until you reach your original .mts files, which can then be dragged to the desktop."

In other words, you can definitely open up the card using the Mac's file explorer and open the AVCHD package. IIRC you have to open two packages in total and then poke around in the folders to find the movie files (I think they're in .mts format). VLC will play .mts just fine, btw.
I stopped using AVCHD long ago due to this total PIA of finding the actual video files in the crazy card format.

Pete
 
You hold your horses :)

Can some one explain to me (in simpler terms) why AVCHD is so much better?

"AVCHD is a very specific H.264 implementation with industry-agreed format and bitrate. Sony, Panasonic, and a few others use it (I think the Canon C100 shoots AVCHD?). The AVCHD standards allow for 1080p24/25/30 and 1080i50/60, as well as 720p24/25/30/50/60. Maximum bitrate is usually quoted as 24Mbps, but you'll sometimes see 28Mbps.

The limitations of AVCHD are that the strict spec doesn't allow for 1080p50/60, and the bitrate is arguably rather low.

Panasonic's DSLRs have long been technically capable of producing higher-bitrate recordings (hence the popularity of hacking the GH1 and GH2 cameras); with the G6 and GH3 they made those higher bitrates available without hacks. Since the AVCHD spec doesn't allow for higher bitrates, the files are instead wrapped as .mp4. It's important to note that these are still H.264-compressed files: MPEG4 is a file format which allows for several different codecs. The confusion is that the older MPEG codec shares a similar name, but most MPEG4 files today will be using the H.264 codec. Certainly, Panasonic's DSLRs do." Posted from this forum: http://www.fcp.co/forum/4-final-cut-pro-x-fcpx/19305-avchd-vs-mp4

Interesting enough, I was considering getting the GH2 and hacking it before I "settled" on this G6 for other 'modern' reasons. Is this guy saying that the high bit rates I was seeking on a hacked GH2 are in fact available to me on the G6 and I just didn't realize it?
 
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You hold your horses :)

Can some one explain to me (in simpler terms) why AVCHD is so much better?
Maybe someone will, but I won't. I haven't said anything about AVCHD being "much better." I've only suggested that you check the specs for each format in your camera before choosing one. That's all. In some/many cameras the mp4 options are the lower spec ones compared to the AVCHD ones, but there may be exceptions, especially in some newer cameras. Which is all the more reason to check the specs of your tool before you start using it.

Carry on.
 
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"In Mountain Lion, movies are now locked into Quicktime so the folder structure containing your .mts movie files on SD cards and devices is now all hidden under a file called PRIVATE. To get to the files, hold down the Control key and click on the PRIVATE file. In the popup menu, select Show Contents
Thanks for this..ended up using a similar process but with one small revision. I can open the PRIVATE file fine, but then within that, you must hold down Control and click on the AVCHD file, where "Show Contents" is an option.

Then Control > Show Contents for the BDMV file.

Then go to the STREAM folder, and the .MTS Files are in there. These are my actual video footage.

Hopefully posting that process is helpful for someone in the future.

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Next..I still need to decide if this is what I want to do, and where to take the files from here. Options:

I could drag these into Adobe Bridge presumably (I like that software and have been using it some recently for organization. Trying to figure out if it will meet all my organizational needs though).

I could drag them into just a folder on my external hard drive (stopping first at my computer's hard drive, because my memory card reader and my external hard drive can't both physically fit in the USB slots on my macbook (doh!:-x)

I could scratch the .MTS process altogether, and just use Photos to import and store these, then I have to "export" them to be able to get them into FCPX (I think... as Photos doesn't keep a file structure anywhere on my computer that FCPX can access). The export results in .mp4 files I believe. Which leads me to my follow up question to eFilm...
Is there a program or a way where I can browse that singular AVCHD package and drag items from it?
Yup. You can transcode the AVCHD files into a more usable format with apps like ClipWrap (AVCHD) or EditReady (AVCHD, XAVC-S, etc.), for example, and then import the resulting video clips into FCPX. I consider that the 'better' way.
sub question: So after dragging the files to an external hard drive or to Adobe Bridge, I would need to transcode them using one of these apps.. why? Can FCPX not just open the .MTS files?
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What I did notice a long while ago, though, is that earlier Aparture, and nowadays Apple Photos can import those video clips, too, along with all the metadata, and you can even trim them inside Photos if you want, and then send them over to FCPX or into any folder you want, in .mov format. Without having to dig into the convoluted Private folders and pry out the compressed .mts files.
Just to clarify, this "Photos" option is worse than the 'ClipWrap Transcode Option' you mention above? Can you elaborate on why? I want to make sure I'm understanding..I like the Photos option, but want to know if by doing that I am sacrificing in some way. I especially like the Photos option if it means I can skip the .MTS import/transcode runaround, but, at the same time, having to import the videos to Photos, only to have to Export them later in .MP4 is annoying in itself, creates multiple 'versions/artifacts' of files, etc.

Thanks for any help as I limp through this - probably going to just record in .MP4 going forward so I can avoid this mess.
Hold your horses. Check the specs first, because chances are the mp4 option in your camera is even more compressed than the AVCHD option. Often it is. Check out bitrate (mbps) and file sizes (MB) each option is offering. Bigger number means better, even though it means bigger file size, too. But the files are rather small, anyway.

The AVCHD format is a PITA for editing, but it's doable, and why give up even more quality if you can have it with just a little bit more work.
Finally, I wanted to check my specs for my camera as you suggest, but I can't find any truly reliable way to check the specs for my camera. Panasonic's own website doesn't specify the bitrates for this model. Have any suggestions there?

I was thinking I could extrapolate the info by listing how much record space is available when I choose the different options in my camera... Is that what you mean by the "bigger number is better" part?

Thanks for any follow up discussion/recommendations!

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you must hold down Control and click on the AVCHD file, where "Show Contents" is an option.
You can do the same by simply right-clicking on the folder and then pick the option from the menu. Again, several ways to skin a cat, but I'd just forget about the .mts files.
sub question: So after dragging the files to an external hard drive or to Adobe Bridge, I would need to transcode them using one of these apps.. why? Can FCPX not just open the .MTS files?
For starters, just to be clear, I am not talking about the .mts files inside those PRIVATE folders. You don't have to drag anything, you just feed the transcoder app with the AVCHD video clips in your memory card or whatever. The apps will then know what to do.

Second, like said, there are several ways to skin a cat, and a transcoder app is just one option. I haven't used AVCHD for years, and back in the day AVCHD was not properly supported by FCPX. Hence the need for a transcoder app. However, importing the AVCHD files/folders straight into FCPX (or maybe even iMovie) is apparently possible these days. Just give it a try and see what happens.
Just to clarify, this "Photos" *option* is worse than the 'ClipWrap Transcode Option' you mention above? Can you elaborate on why?
No offence intended, but sounds like you're overanalysing and overthinking the whole issue in an unnecessarily 'nerdy' fashion, concentrating way too much on the (less relevant) minutia.

Like said before, there are several ways to skin a cat, and using Photos as a helper app is just yet another, slightly more unorthodox method to avoid the prying the compressed .mts files off the AVCHD file structure.
The whole point was that using Photos might be handy if you didn't want to get a separate transcoding app (or just import the clips directly to FCPX, if it works). I'm not saying it's better or worse, it's just another workaround.

Once again, the idea was/is that you don't need to dig deep into the AVCHD folder structure and grab those compressed .mts files without their associated meta data, because those aforementioned apps can do that for you. For best quality, digging out those .mts files is not an ideal solution, anyway, nor is it necessary.

In your position, if I still had to deal with lots of AVCHD videos on a regular basis, I'd simply get either ClipWrap or EditReady and be done with it. Simple as that. End of story.
 
You hold your horses :)

Can some one explain to me (in simpler terms) why AVCHD is so much better?

"AVCHD is a very specific H.264 implementation with industry-agreed format and bitrate. Sony, Panasonic, and a few others use it (I think the Canon C100 shoots AVCHD?). The AVCHD standards allow for 1080p24/25/30 and 1080i50/60, as well as 720p24/25/30/50/60. Maximum bitrate is usually quoted as 24Mbps, but you'll sometimes see 28Mbps.

The limitations of AVCHD are that the strict spec doesn't allow for 1080p50/60, and the bitrate is arguably rather low.

Panasonic's DSLRs have long been technically capable of producing higher-bitrate recordings (hence the popularity of hacking the GH1 and GH2 cameras); with the G6 and GH3 they made those higher bitrates available without hacks. Since the AVCHD spec doesn't allow for higher bitrates, the files are instead wrapped as .mp4. It's important to note that these are still H.264-compressed files: MPEG4 is a file format which allows for several different codecs. The confusion is that the older MPEG codec shares a similar name, but most MPEG4 files today will be using the H.264 codec. Certainly, Panasonic's DSLRs do." Posted from this forum: http://www.fcp.co/forum/4-final-cut-pro-x-fcpx/19305-avchd-vs-mp4

Interesting enough, I was considering getting the GH2 and hacking it before I "settled" on this G6 for other 'modern' reasons. Is this guy saying that the high bit rates I was seeking on a hacked GH2 are in fact available to me on the G6 and I just didn't realize it?
 
sub question: So after dragging the files to an external hard drive or to Adobe Bridge, I would need to transcode them using one of these apps.. why? Can FCPX not just open the .MTS files?
Perhaps try renaming the file extension from .MTS to .M2TS. My Hisense TV can't recognise .MTS files but when renamed to .M2TS it plays just fine. I believe they're the same but .MTS is used in cameras whereas .M2TS is for bluray. I suspect it might have something to do with SD cards only allowing 3 letter file extensions.
 
Finally, I wanted to check my specs for my camera as you suggest, but I can't find any truly reliable way to check the specs for my camera. Panasonic's own website doesn't specify the bitrates for this model. Have any suggestions there?
Better not to overanalyse things as long as we're talking about normal consumer cameras. In these cameras the recorded clips are optimised for easy playback and transfer to other viewing devices rather than for easy editing or image quality. The quality differences are likely to be negligible, anyway.

Both AVCHD and mp4 options provided by the camera are two different playback options rather than editing options, and the AVCHD is optimised for easy playback in some Sony/Panasonic TV's of that era and for easy transfer onto DVD's. Which in today's world is no longer that relevant, obviously.
The mp4 format is provided as an alternative for easy transfer and playback in devices that don't support the AVCHD format. Therefore there may not be much, if any difference between the two in bitrate, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be identical in quality.

They're both rather heavily compressed H264 formats in different file wrappers, but if my memory is serving me right, the AVCHD option may have a slightly better sound than the mp4 one.

So the mp4 option is probably the easier to transfer one, with the caveat of slightly more compromised quality in general. But as said, I haven't 'fought' with the AVCHD format for ages, and there's not much point in delving much deeper into this, as the differences are negligible, anyway. Use whatever format suits your needs and workflow.

Nevertheless, keep in mind that if/when you go with the route of prying the compressed .mts files out of the AVCHD folders, you are also likely to throw away any quality benefit there may have been, and thus you might as well work with the mp4 option. With less work.
But if / when your goal is to get the best result for editing, as implied in your header, that would probably be the transcoded AVCHD files. Whether the transcoding is done with a separate transcoder app or inside the NLE.
Is that what you mean by the "bigger number is better" part?
Nope. By bigger number is better I was referring to the bitrate number. For example, 28mbps (typically AVCHD) being slightly better than 24mpbs (typically mp4, depending on the camera) or lower. Yes, the difference is small in this example, and the 'bigger number is better' is just a general rule of thumb. It also depends on the resolution of the video.

But again, don't get obsessed by the minutia, leave that to the hardcore pedants. In your case, choose whichever option works for you. Whether that's the easiest to handle file format or the ideal format for editing. It's up to you.

Now, log out of the internet and go out to shoot something. :-)
 
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sub question: So after dragging the files to an external hard drive or to Adobe Bridge, I would need to transcode them using one of these apps.. why? Can FCPX not just open the .MTS files?
Perhaps try renaming the file extension from .MTS to .M2TS. My Hisense TV can't recognise .MTS files but when renamed to .M2TS it plays just fine. I believe they're the same but .MTS is used in cameras whereas .M2TS is for bluray. I suspect it might have something to do with SD cards only allowing 3 letter file extensions.
"SD cards" don't determine file naming limitations, the file system the SD card is formatted to does. Most cards are formatted for FAT32 or exFAT, both of which support more than 3 letters in the extension.
 

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