Which one I should buy Fuji or Sony? (Pl read the body first)

Which one I should buy Fuji or Sony? (Pl read the body first)


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Sorry, the comment above wasn't on the correct place, it wasn't meant in regard to your quote above.
yes, your inability to follow the conversation proves my point.
Of course you'll find some more people who don't like the Fuji files. But it's a negligible amount compared to the users who are more than happy with it.
lol... fuji owners saying the fuji pq sucks is pretty simple to understand.

you just don't want to admit it.
So where do I don't admit it, that there are of yourse Fuji owners who don't like Fujis IQ?
again, not following the conversation, at all.
yeah, attacking me personally really proves what you said, lol
I just gave you your own medicine.
no, you behave like a little kid, trolling sony and attacking people who prove you wrong.
Haha, so you finally realised how other People in this Forum look at you?
i'm not the one who's trolling sony, lol, you are.

still yet another example of how you can't comprehend what's been said.
Bravo!
What about the poor performing SEL 28-70 ?
at least it's not crippled, like the 1:2 factor and lack of focus limiter, on that fuji macro.
At least the Fuji macro has a good IQ.
i doubt that.
It doesn't matter if you doubt that. Reality proves you wrong here.
scientific testing proves me right... you refuse to admit that fuji d.r. is down a stop, vs. sony:

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Some people also like the smell of fresh cow dung.
yes, that's why they buy fuji.
The 80mm 2.8 Macro is sheduled for this year.
oh great, vaporware as proof...
It's not vapoware.
wrong, fuji does not have an 80/2.8 macro, it's vaporware.
Yes, there have been lenses on older roadmaps, that have been removed.
that's what happens with a tiny market share format like x-mount.
Your are telling bullshi* And if you wouldn't constantly Quote only half of my comments, this would be clear!
you are making up excuses, see above...
sony just released two new e-mount lenses...
And Fuji just released the 50mm in February, and another 3 lenses in 2016.
>yawn<

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I've decided to go with either X-T20 or A7ii
X-T20 849$
383g

UWA
Rokinon 12mm f/2.0 NCS CS 319$
260 g with body: 643g

Portrait
XF 56mm f/1.2 R Lens 999$
405g with body: 788g

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Fujifilm XF 23mm f/1.4 R 899$
301g with body: 684g

Total Cost: 3066USD


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A7 ii 1,698USD
556 g

UWA

Samyang 14mm f/2.8 ED AS IF UMC 299.95$
570g with body: 1126g

Portrait
85mm f/1.8 598$
371g with body: 927g

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Rokinon 35mm f/1.4 AS UMC Lens for Sony E Mount 399$
735g with body: 1291g

Total cost: 2995USD

In case if you haven't read above. I'm purchasing mainly for wedding as complementary shooter. I also shoot landscapes and portraits. I shoot RAW only. I never shoot videos as well.
Can some one tell me how eye detection focus work between Sony and Fuji? It's really an interesting feature. I do understand that a7 ii does not have eye AF in continues mode. But in general If Sony is good in that technology I'm willing to invest in that system.
 
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it means that you don't understand what people say, clearly.
So what was the last deticated APS-C lens for E-Mount that Sony released?
didn't you fuji people just tell us that fuji crop should be compared to ff?

so why are you trolling sony crop now?
The whole comments in this part are about the "red headed stepchild" claim, and Sonys APS-C line was meant with this.
no, the "red-headed stepchild" claim is meant for fuji x-mount.

fuji people stupidly claimed that fuji crop was as good as ff, but then contradicted that by attempting to limit the comparison to sony crop lenses, not sony ff lenses.
And when did they release it?

It's quite some time ago, don't you think?
who cares? unlike fuji, sony crop owners can use all of the ff e-mount lenses as well.
But who in the world wants to buy big expensive FF lenses,
who? people who want more out of their photography than crop sensors can provide... DUH

stop trying to claim that everyone has your low p.q. standards... invest in ff glass, then move up to a ff body later down the line... it's a path that many photographers have taken.
fuji x-mount is a dead end, there isn't any path to ff with it.
People buy into Fuji-X BECAUSE they don't make lenses that fit both.
a dead end future with limited lens selection isn't a reason to buy into x-mount, lol

fuji doesn't even have a decent x-mount macro lens... that's a perfect example of why x-mount is a dead end.
fuji is spending their r&d $$ on medium format, not x-mount.
That's why they just released the 50mm 3 month ago, and 3 other lenses in 2016? That's why they release the 80mm this summer?
fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.

fuji can't even come up with a decent macro lens, because they are spending the r&d $$ on medium format and e-mount cine lenses.

fuji is making medium format lenses, not x-mount lenses.
Fuji released 3 new X-Mount lenses in 2016 and one in 2017 so far, and the 80mm macro will be released soon.

If you think about the term "red headed stepchild" again, what means neglected, mistreated or unwanted,
yes, like fuji did when they released the fuji cine lens in e-mount, but not in x-mount... congrats on proving my point.
And if you look at the Review from dpreview, you'll notice why there isn't a big Video market for Fuji yet:
that's about the third time that you have tried to ignore how simple it is for for fuji to have screwed an x-mount adapter onto the cine lens... congrats on proving my point, AGAIN.

the x-t2 came out well before the cine lens; fuji has been targeting video all along, that's why they sell things like a video microphone.

x-mount is such a fail that fuji can't even come up with a simple manual focus lens mount!

this isn't rocket science! there aren't any electrical connections on the cine lens! see below, AGAIN

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you can't really deny that this applies to Sony APS-C, and not to Fuji X-Mount.
it only applies to x-mount.
Just in your Sony troll world
i like how you keep proving my point... resorting to name-calling, because you are losing.
i'm not the one who started trolling sony crop as a "red-headed stepchild", lol

you are pointing the finger at yourself.
The "red headed stepchild" Claim was not from me. You should read more carefully. I just tried to explain it to you,
you tried to explain it because you agree with it, lol

don't try to make excuses.
Yes, and I don't have a problem with this. I know where Fujis still has it's points to improve
the only thing that you know how to do is try and troll sony, lol
sony has THREE 1:1 macros in e-mount, and more in a-mount.
But still no fast native tele lens ;-)
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.

fuji can't match that, at all... see how you don't know squat about sony? or really fuji either, lol

https://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/lenses/lineup/
do you see sony releasing anything in x-mount? NO, lol

Why should anybody want to use a big, heavy and expensive sony lens on X-Mount, while there are plenty of good NATIVE

oh, you mean like the fuji 60mm macro, that can't even do 1:1? LMAO
1:1 macros doesn't mean anything in terms of IQ.
here come the excuses...

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The whole comments in this part are about the "red headed stepchild" claim, and Sonys APS-C line was meant with this.
no, the "red-headed stepchild" claim is meant for fuji x-mount.
No, it's not. Learn to read and understand!

fuji people stupidly claimed that fuji crop was as good as ff, but then contradicted that by attempting to limit the comparison to sony crop lenses, not sony ff lenses.
Your clearly don't understand the coherences. You show it again and again. The lens comparison has nothing to do with the FF vs. X-Mount comparison.

And when did they release it?

It's quite some time ago, don't you think?
who cares? unlike fuji, sony crop owners can use all of the ff e-mount lenses as well.
But who in the world wants to buy big expensive FF lenses,
who? people who want more out of their photography than crop sensors can provide... DUH
We are talking about the lenses here, and people who want to use a compact system. Sony APS-C would do it, if there would be a complete compact lens lineup for APS-C, but there isn't, and it will probably never be available, because APS-C is Sonys red headed stepchild.

stop trying to claim that everyone has your low p.q. standards... invest in ff glass, then move up to a ff body later down the line... it's a path that many photographers have taken.
You are talking bullshi* again. low pq standards? What are you smoking? Fujis IQ is praised in almost every serious review, and there are many photographers who also switched from FF to Fuji, because they don't see any drop in IQ, while having a much smaller system.

fuji x-mount is a dead end, there isn't any path to ff with it.
People buy into Fuji-X BECAUSE they don't make lenses that fit both.
a dead end future with limited lens selection isn't a reason to buy into x-mount, lol
Stop talking about things you don't understand.
fuji doesn't even have a decent x-mount macro lens... that's a perfect example of why x-mount is a dead end.
The 60mm IS a macro lens, and it's IQ is great.

Sony doesn't even have a fast tele lens for E-Mount, Sony doesn't seem to be for pro photographers.

fuji is spending their r&d $$ on medium format, not x-mount.
That's why they just released the 50mm 3 month ago, and 3 other lenses in 2016? That's why they release the 80mm this summer?
fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.
And you want to tell us that English is your native language? You even don't know what vaporware means!

fuji can't even come up with a decent macro lens, because they are spending the r&d $$ on medium format and e-mount cine lenses.
You are such a bad troll. And every post from you shows this better. You are stuck in your own bad argumentation. The 80mm macro comes this summer, and they already have the 60mm.

AND they just released the 50mm. So your claims are obviously wrong.

fuji is making medium format lenses, not x-mount lenses.
See above

that's about the third time that you have tried to ignore how simple it is for for fuji to have screwed an x-mount adapter onto the cine lens... congrats on proving my point, AGAIN.
Because they have other priorities, and video is still not a big market in Fuji X-Mount. It's so simple.
the x-t2 came out well before the cine lens; fuji has been targeting video all along, that's why they sell things like a video microphone.
Again, you are talking bullshi*. The X-T2 is the first X-Mount camera that can do proper video. Even preview says this, EVERYONE says this. And this camera isn't available for such a long time. The user base with this camera is not high, and only a few of these users are doing proper video with it.

x-mount is such a fail that fuji can't even come up with a simple manual focus lens mount!
E-Mount is such a fail, that Sony can't even come up with a simple fast tele lens. BTW, Fuji has a fast tele zoom for almost 2 years now.

this isn't rocket science! there aren't any electrical connections on the cine lens! see below, AGAIN
But why the hell should they release a lens that nobody will buy?

i'm not the one who started trolling sony crop as a "red-headed stepchild", lol

you are pointing the finger at yourself.
The "red headed stepchild" Claim was not from me. You should read more carefully. I just tried to explain it to you,
you tried to explain it because you agree with it, lol
what the hell are you talking?

I tried to explain it, because YOU didn't understand what is meant.

sony has THREE 1:1 macros in e-mount, and more in a-mount.
But still no fast native tele lens ;-)
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.
E-Mount?
fuji can't match that, at all... see how you don't know squat about sony? or really fuji either, lol
Why don't you set the filter to E-Mount, or APS-C, and come back again?

https://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/lenses/lineup/
do you see sony releasing anything in x-mount? NO, lol

Why should anybody want to use a big, heavy and expensive sony lens on X-Mount, while there are plenty of good NATIVE

oh, you mean like the fuji 60mm macro, that can't even do 1:1? LMAO
1:1 macros doesn't mean anything in terms of IQ.
here come the excuses...
It's no excuse, it's a fact.
 
Sorry, the comment above wasn't on the correct place, it wasn't meant in regard to your quote above.
yes, your inability to follow the conversation proves my point.
At least I can admit that I did a mistake here. According to your behavior, you probably don't have a lot of friends. It's not a sign of class, to rant about a mistake that someone admitted.

Of course you'll find some more people who don't like the Fuji files. But it's a negligible amount compared to the users who are more than happy with it.
lol... fuji owners saying the fuji pq sucks is pretty simple to understand.

you just don't want to admit it.
So where do I don't admit it, that there are of yourse Fuji owners who don't like Fujis IQ?
again, not following the conversation, at all.
Don't tell lies! It's written just a few lines above.

Haha, so you finally realised how other People in this Forum look at you?
i'm not the one who's trolling sony, lol, you are.
You are trolling Fuji, for no reason.

What about the poor performing SEL 28-70 ?
at least it's not crippled, like the 1:2 factor and lack of focus limiter, on that fuji macro.
At least the Fuji macro has a good IQ.
i doubt that.
It doesn't matter if you doubt that. Reality proves you wrong here.
scientific testing proves me right... you refuse to admit that fuji d.r. is down a stop, vs. sony:
Don't deviate from the topic here, we talked about the bad SEL 28-70!

Some people also like the smell of fresh cow dung.
yes, that's why they buy fuji.
You sound like a little child that realized that it's wrong. So funny to see lol
It's not vapoware.
wrong, fuji does not have an 80/2.8 macro, it's vaporware.
You should only talk about things you understand. Vaporware is something different!

Yes, there have been lenses on older roadmaps, that have been removed.
that's what happens with a tiny market share format like x-mount.
Your are telling bullshi* And if you wouldn't constantly Quote only half of my comments, this would be clear!
you are making up excuses, see above...
It'S no excuse, I just exposed your trolling style.
 
The whole comments in this part are about the "red headed stepchild" claim, and Sonys APS-C line was meant with this.
no, the "red-headed stepchild" claim is meant for fuji x-mount.
No, it's not. Learn to read and understand!
yes, it is! learn to read and understand!
fuji people stupidly claimed that fuji crop was as good as ff, but then contradicted that by attempting to limit the comparison to sony crop lenses, not sony ff lenses.
Your clearly don't understand the coherences. You show it again and again. The lens comparison has nothing to do with the FF vs. X-Mount comparison.
see how you try to deny it? you claim fuji crop is better than ff, but you try to ignore the ff lenses.
And when did they release it?

It's quite some time ago, don't you think?
who cares? unlike fuji, sony crop owners can use all of the ff e-mount lenses as well.
But who in the world wants to buy big expensive FF lenses,
who? people who want more out of their photography than crop sensors can provide... DUH
We are talking about the lenses here,
oh? you just told us that "The lens comparison has nothing to do with the FF vs. X-Mount comparison"

see how you try to twist things around? it's sad, but really funny at the same time.
stop trying to claim that everyone has your low p.q. standards... invest in ff glass, then move up to a ff body later down the line... it's a path that many photographers have taken.
You are talking bullshi* again. low pq standards? What are you smoking? Fujis IQ is praised in almost every serious review, and there are many photographers who also switched from FF to Fuji, because they don't see any drop in IQ, while having a much smaller system.
weak x-mount lens selection isn't better than ff lens selection, lol
fuji x-mount is a dead end, there isn't any path to ff with it.
People buy into Fuji-X BECAUSE they don't make lenses that fit both.
a dead end future with limited lens selection isn't a reason to buy into x-mount, lol
Stop talking about things you don't understand.
i'm not the one with an english problem...
fuji doesn't even have a decent x-mount macro lens... that's a perfect example of why x-mount is a dead end.
The 60mm IS a macro lens, and it's IQ is great.
no 1:1, no focus limiter, etc... sony has three e-mount macro lenses!
Sony doesn't even have a fast tele lens for E-Mount,
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.
fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.
And you want to tell us that English is your native language? You even don't know what vaporware means!
it means that fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.
fuji can't even come up with a decent macro lens, because they are spending the r&d $$ on medium format and e-mount cine lenses.
You are such a bad troll. And every post from you shows this better. You are stuck in your own bad argumentation. The 80mm macro comes this summer
fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.
AND they just released the 50mm. So your claims are obviously wrong.
sony just released two e-mount lenses yesterday.
fuji is making medium format lenses, not x-mount lenses.
See above
yes, see above.
that's about the third time that you have tried to ignore how simple it is for for fuji to have screwed an x-mount adapter onto the cine lens... congrats on proving my point, AGAIN.
Because they have other priorities,
because x-mount doesn't have any market share, period.
the x-t2 came out well before the cine lens; fuji has been targeting video all along, that's why they sell things like a video microphone.
Again, you are talking bullshi*. The X-T2 is the first X-Mount camera that can do proper video.
fuji has been targeting video for x-mount all along, that's why they sell things like a video microphone.
x-mount is such a fail that fuji can't even come up with a simple manual focus lens mount!
E-Mount is such a fail, that Sony can't even come up with a simple fast tele lens. BTW, Fuji has a fast tele zoom for almost 2 years now.
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.
this isn't rocket science! there aren't any electrical connections on the cine lens! see below, AGAIN
But why the hell should they release a lens that nobody will buy?
exactly... x-mount doesn't have any decent market share, so there aren't any customers that would buy it.
i'm not the one who started trolling sony crop as a "red-headed stepchild", lol

you are pointing the finger at yourself.
The "red headed stepchild" Claim was not from me. You should read more carefully. I just tried to explain it to you,
you tried to explain it because you agree with it, lol
what the hell are you talking?

I tried to explain it,
you tried to defend it.
sony has THREE 1:1 macros in e-mount, and more in a-mount.
But still no fast native tele lens ;-)
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.
E-Mount?
it's a sony system, all the way through.
fuji can't match that, at all... see how you don't know squat about sony? or really fuji either, lol
Why don't you set the filter to E-Mount, or APS-C, and come back again?
all of those lenses are fully usable on aps-c.
https://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/lenses/lineup/
do you see sony releasing anything in x-mount? NO, lol

Why should anybody want to use a big, heavy and expensive sony lens on X-Mount, while there are plenty of good NATIVE

oh, you mean like the fuji 60mm macro, that can't even do 1:1? LMAO
1:1 macros doesn't mean anything in terms of IQ.
here come the excuses...
It's no excuse, it's a fact.
it's an excuse.

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Sorry, the comment above wasn't on the correct place, it wasn't meant in regard to your quote above.
yes, your inability to follow the conversation proves my point.
At least I can admit that I did a mistake here. According to your behavior,
my behavior? lol, that's funny, because it's you that's doing most of the name-calling in these threads.
Of course you'll find some more people who don't like the Fuji files. But it's a negligible amount compared to the users who are more than happy with it.
lol... fuji owners saying the fuji pq sucks is pretty simple to understand.

you just don't want to admit it.
So where do I don't admit it, that there are of yourse Fuji owners who don't like Fujis IQ?
again, not following the conversation, at all.
Don't tell lies! It's written just a few lines above.
yes, it is, so stop telling lies! i posted links.
Haha, so you finally realised how other People in this Forum look at you?
i'm not the one who's trolling sony, lol, you are.
You are trolling Fuji, for no reason.
no, YOU are trolling sony, it's what you do, every chance that you get, lol
What about the poor performing SEL 28-70 ?
at least it's not crippled, like the 1:2 factor and lack of focus limiter, on that fuji macro.
At least the Fuji macro has a good IQ.
i doubt that.
It doesn't matter if you doubt that. Reality proves you wrong here.
scientific testing proves me right... you refuse to admit that fuji d.r. is down a stop, vs. sony:
Don't deviate from the topic here, we talked about the bad SEL 28-70!
no, we talked about the fuji macro 1:2 and lack of focus limiter! see above...
Some people also like the smell of fresh cow dung.
yes, that's why they buy fuji.
You sound like a little child that realized that it's wrong. So funny to see lol
you claimed that sony is cow dung, then called me names... congrats on proving my point, again!
It's not vapoware.
wrong, fuji does not have an 80/2.8 macro, it's vaporware.
You should only talk about things you understand. Vaporware is something different!
what part of fuji not having an 80/2.8 macro do you not understand?

is this another english problem of yours?
Yes, there have been lenses on older roadmaps, that have been removed.
that's what happens with a tiny market share format like x-mount.
Your are telling bullshi* And if you wouldn't constantly Quote only half of my comments, this would be clear!
you are making up excuses, see above...
It'S no excuse, I just exposed your trolling style.
"cow dung" "little child", etc... we see who the troll is.
 
yes, it is! learn to read and understand!
Here is the quote from "negative":

"That's cause you consider that a competitor and I don't know a single person who asks X-T20 or A6300? Really doesn't happen, because everyone knows it will always be He red headed step child in the Sony line-up."

And you are still claiming, that Fuji was meant?
fuji people stupidly claimed that fuji crop was as good as ff, but then contradicted that by attempting to limit the comparison to sony crop lenses, not sony ff lenses.
Your clearly don't understand the coherences. You show it again and again. The lens comparison has nothing to do with the FF vs. X-Mount comparison.
see how you try to deny it? you claim fuji crop is better than ff, but you try to ignore the ff lenses.
It's not about ignoring them. It's a fact, that they are designed for FF, and not for APS-C. And with "designed" I mean, that they could be smaller, lighter and cheaper for APS-C. And Sony doesn't give the user the option, to stay compact, if he need certain lenses.
oh? you just told us that "The lens comparison has nothing to do with the FF vs. X-Mount comparison"

see how you try to twist things around? it's sad, but really funny at the same time
I don't twist around, you just mix totally different things just to prove your claim. The cine lenses are a different story, it's simple as that. And I explained it to you several times.
stop trying to claim that everyone has your low p.q. standards... invest in ff glass, then move up to a ff body later down the line... it's a path that many photographers have taken.
You are talking bullshi* again. low pq standards? What are you smoking? Fujis IQ is praised in almost every serious review, and there are many photographers who also switched from FF to Fuji, because they don't see any drop in IQ, while having a much smaller system.
weak x-mount lens selection isn't better than ff lens selection, lol
What is weak in Fujis lens selection?

Does Sony has a fast E-Mount tele lens? Is sonys lens selection weak too?
Stop talking about things you don't understand.
i'm not the one with an english problem...
Obviously you are
fuji doesn't even have a decent x-mount macro lens... that's a perfect example of why x-mount is a dead end.
The 60mm IS a macro lens, and it's IQ is great.
no 1:1, no focus limiter, etc... sony has three e-mount macro lenses!
Wohooo, how often do you want to repeat it again? That doesn't prove anything. They also have the weak zoom, they don't have a fast E-Mount tele etc. NOBODY IS PERFECT
Sony doesn't even have a fast tele lens for E-Mount,
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.
Go to Sonys website, go to the lenses, set the filter to 35mm and E-Mount, and see what they got, NOTHING LOOOL
fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.
And you want to tell us that English is your native language? You even don't know what vaporware means!
it means that fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.

"Computer Slang. a product, especially software, that is promoted ormarketed while it is still in development and that may never be produced"

You are wrong - again!

fuji can't even come up with a decent macro lens, because they are spending the r&d $$ on medium format and e-mount cine lenses.
You are such a bad troll. And every post from you shows this better. You are stuck in your own bad argumentation. The 80mm macro comes this summer
fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.
AND they just released the 50mm. So your claims are obviously wrong.
sony just released two e-mount lenses yesterday.
That was not the question! YOU claimed that Fuji will no longer support X-Mount, because they have the GFX now. But they just released the 50mm and the 80mm will come this summer. So stop posting the same Bullshi* over and over again.

fuji is making medium format lenses, not x-mount lenses.
See above
yes, see above.
Are you really that stupid? Can't you read? They just released the 50mm, that is just for X-Mount. It's not a sony stepchild lens, it's a dedicated compact X-Mount lens. The 80mm will also be just for X-Mount.

So STOP TROLLING NONSENSE

that's about the third time that you have tried to ignore how simple it is for for fuji to have screwed an x-mount adapter onto the cine lens... congrats on proving my point, AGAIN.
Because they have other priorities,
because x-mount doesn't have any market share, period.
No, because there are basically no video capable X-Mount cameras on the market. PERIOD
the x-t2 came out well before the cine lens; fuji has been targeting video all along, that's why they sell things like a video microphone.
Again, you are talking bullshi*. The X-T2 is the first X-Mount camera that can do proper video.
fuji has been targeting video for x-mount all along, that's why they sell things like a video microphone.
Why do you ignore the facts?

I just posted the preview quote WITH the link to it, that proves you WRONG.

x-mount is such a fail that fuji can't even come up with a simple manual focus lens mount!
E-Mount is such a fail, that Sony can't even come up with a simple fast tele lens. BTW, Fuji has a fast tele zoom for almost 2 years now.
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.
these are no E-Mount lenses. PERIOD

this isn't rocket science! there aren't any electrical connections on the cine lens! see below, AGAIN
But why the hell should they release a lens that nobody will buy?
exactly... x-mount doesn't have any decent market share, so there aren't any customers that would buy it.
You are telling Bullshi* AGAIN. There are just not enough customers who use it for video. X-System is for photographers, I told it to you several times.

fuji can't match that, at all... see how you don't know squat about sony? or really fuji either, lol
Why don't you set the filter to E-Mount, or APS-C, and come back again?
all of those lenses are fully usable on aps-c.
But nobody will use them on APS-C, because they are unbalanced, too large, too heavy, and most of the time too expensive. You can try to defend it like you want, but Sony just sucks in R&D when it comes to native APS-C lenses. Because APS-C is Sonys red headed stepchild lol

It's no excuse, it's a fact.
it's an excuse.
Because you think it is? Haha
 
At least I can admit that I did a mistake here. According to your behavior,
my behavior? lol, that's funny, because it's you that's doing most of the name-calling in these threads.
You don't even realize, that you are insulting people again and again?
Of course you'll find some more people who don't like the Fuji files. But it's a negligible amount compared to the users who are more than happy with it.
lol... fuji owners saying the fuji pq sucks is pretty simple to understand.

you just don't want to admit it.
So where do I don't admit it, that there are of yourse Fuji owners who don't like Fujis IQ?
again, not following the conversation, at all.
Don't tell lies! It's written just a few lines above.
yes, it is, so stop telling lies! i posted links.
What is so difficult to understand on my comment above:

"Of course you'll find some more people who don't like the Fuji files. But it's a negligible amount compared to the users who are more than happy with it."

Your links don't prove anything.

Haha, so you finally realised how other People in this Forum look at you?
i'm not the one who's trolling sony, lol, you are.
You are trolling Fuji, for no reason.
no, YOU are trolling sony, it's what you do, every chance that you get, lol
What I do is, to let you look in a mirror, I let you eat your own food, nothing more. You are ranting about Fuji without any real prove. You are riding on stupid arguments, you look for some voices that prove your point, and ignore the majority of voices that are absolutely happy with it.

How is it, if someone does the same with you?

What about the poor performing SEL 28-70 ?
at least it's not crippled, like the 1:2 factor and lack of focus limiter, on that fuji macro.
At least the Fuji macro has a good IQ.
i doubt that.
It doesn't matter if you doubt that. Reality proves you wrong here.
scientific testing proves me right... you refuse to admit that fuji d.r. is down a stop, vs. sony:
Don't deviate from the topic here, we talked about the bad SEL 28-70!
no, we talked about the fuji macro 1:2 and lack of focus limiter! see above...
You have claimed, that Fujis R&D is weak, and that they don't have really good lenses, because OF THIS SINGLE LENS, wich isn't even bad in an optical way. I let you look into a mirror, and showed to you that there are also bad Sony lenses. And they are bad in IQ!

Some people also like the smell of fresh cow dung.
yes, that's why they buy fuji.
You sound like a little child that realized that it's wrong. So funny to see lol
you claimed that sony is cow dung, then called me names... congrats on proving my point, again!
No, I didn't claim that sony is cow dung. I said that it doesn't say anything about the quality of this lens, because some people like it. I thought english is your native language, and you are able to understand what is written?
It's not vapoware.
wrong, fuji does not have an 80/2.8 macro, it's vaporware.
You should only talk about things you understand. Vaporware is something different!
what part of fuji not having an 80/2.8 macro do you not understand?
The word "vaporware" means, that the product will never be released, while the manufacturer tells it will be, while changing the release date on and on. And this is not the case with the 80mm.
is this another english problem of yours?
I would be silent, if I wouldn't know what vaporware means!

 
yes, it is! learn to read and understand!
Here is the quote from "negative":
learn to read and understand!
fuji people stupidly claimed that fuji crop was as good as ff, but then contradicted that by attempting to limit the comparison to sony crop lenses, not sony ff lenses.
Your clearly don't understand the coherences. You show it again and again. The lens comparison has nothing to do with the FF vs. X-Mount comparison.
see how you try to deny it? you claim fuji crop is better than ff, but you try to ignore the ff lenses.
It's not about ignoring them.
yes, you are trying to ignore ff lenses, because the sony ff lens selection is much better than what fuji x-mount has... that's the entire point of what you are doing.
oh? you just told us that "The lens comparison has nothing to do with the FF vs. X-Mount comparison"

see how you try to twist things around? it's sad, but really funny at the same time
I don't twist around, you just mix totally different things just to prove your claim.
i'm not the one who's trying to ignore the sony ff lens lineup, that's YOU.

don't tell us that fuji is better than ff, then try to pretend that the ff lens lineups don't matter.
stop trying to claim that everyone has your low p.q. standards... invest in ff glass, then move up to a ff body later down the line... it's a path that many photographers have taken.
You are talking bullshi* again. low pq standards? What are you smoking? Fujis IQ is praised in almost every serious review, and there are many photographers who also switched from FF to Fuji, because they don't see any drop in IQ, while having a much smaller system.
weak x-mount lens selection isn't better than ff lens selection, lol
What is weak in Fujis lens selection?
how many times must i point out that fuji doesn't have a good macro lens?
Does Sony has a fast E-Mount tele lens? Is sonys lens selection weak too?
learn to read and understand!
Stop talking about things you don't understand.
i'm not the one with an english problem...
Obviously you are
no, you are.
fuji doesn't even have a decent x-mount macro lens... that's a perfect example of why x-mount is a dead end.
The 60mm IS a macro lens, and it's IQ is great.
no 1:1, no focus limiter, etc... sony has three e-mount macro lenses!
Wohooo, how often do you want to repeat it again?
"how often"?? well, you just stupidly just asked me: "What is weak in Fujis lens selection?"

so i have to repeat it again and again...
Sony doesn't even have a fast tele lens for E-Mount,
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.
Go to Sonys website, go to the lenses, set the filter to 35mm and E-Mount, and see what they got, NOTHING LOOOL
they all work on e-mount, it's 100% sony gear.

proving once again that you don't know squat about sony.
it means that fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/vaporware

and that may never be produced"
congrats on proving my point! fuji 80/2.8 macro doesn't exist, and it may never be produced, it's vaporware!
fuji can't even come up with a decent macro lens, because they are spending the r&d $$ on medium format and e-mount cine lenses.
You are such a bad troll. And every post from you shows this better. You are stuck in your own bad argumentation. The 80mm macro comes this summer
fuji doesn't have an 80mm lens, period... stop posting vaporware.
AND they just released the 50mm. So your claims are obviously wrong.
sony just released two e-mount lenses yesterday.
That was not the question!
um, the original question was "fuji can't even come up with a decent macro lens," see above...
YOU claimed that Fuji will no longer support X-Mount,
see above
because they have the GFX now. But they just released the 50mm
That was not the question! the 50mm isn't a macro lens! DUH
fuji is making medium format lenses, not x-mount lenses.
See above
yes, see above.
Are you really that stupid?
no, YOU are!
Can't you read? They just released the 50mm, that is just for X-Mount.
fuji has at least *five* gfx lenses on the 2017 lens map: http://fujifilm-x.com/gfx/

fuji is making medium format lenses NOT x-mount lenses!

good grief!
that's about the third time that you have tried to ignore how simple it is for for fuji to have screwed an x-mount adapter onto the cine lens... congrats on proving my point, AGAIN.
Because they have other priorities,
because x-mount doesn't have any market share, period.
No, because there are basically no video capable X-Mount cameras on the market. PERIOD
gee, that's funny, fuji is promoting x-t2 4k capability:

you don't know squat about fuji.
the x-t2 came out well before the cine lens; fuji has been targeting video all along, that's why they sell things like a video microphone.
Again, you are talking bullshi*. The X-T2 is the first X-Mount camera that can do proper video.
fuji has been targeting video for x-mount all along, that's why they sell things like a video microphone.
Why do you ignore the facts?
see above...
I just posted the preview quote WITH the link to it, that proves you WRONG.
x-mount is such a fail that fuji can't even come up with a simple manual focus lens mount!
E-Mount is such a fail, that Sony can't even come up with a simple fast tele lens. BTW, Fuji has a fast tele zoom for almost 2 years now.
wrong again, sony has a 300/2.8 and a 500/4.
these are no E-Mount lenses. PERIOD
they are 100% sony lenses, that all have autofocus capability.

fuji doesn't have anything comparable, period.
this isn't rocket science! there aren't any electrical connections on the cine lens! see below, AGAIN
But why the hell should they release a lens that nobody will buy?
exactly... x-mount doesn't have any decent market share, so there aren't any customers that would buy it.
You are telling Bullshi* AGAIN. There are just not enough customers who use it for video. X-System is for photographers, I told it to you several times.
wrong, fuji says differently:

how come fuji owners don't know anything about fuji?
fuji can't match that, at all... see how you don't know squat about sony? or really fuji either, lol
Why don't you set the filter to E-Mount, or APS-C, and come back again?
all of those lenses are fully usable on aps-c.
But nobody will use them on APS-C,
like a fuji fanboi knows anything about using ff lenses, lol
Because APS-C is Sonys red headed stepchild lol
fuji has at least *five* gfx lenses on the 2017 lens map: http://fujifilm-x.com/gfx/

fuji doesn't care about x-mount anymore.
It's no excuse, it's a fact.
it's an excuse.
Because you think it is? Haha
see above...

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You don't even realize, that you are insulting people again and again?
um, i'm not the one doing the name calling, that's you.
Your links don't prove anything.
neither does anything that you said there, lol
What I do is, to let you look in a mirror,
what you do is troll sony, period.
You have claimed, that Fujis R&D is weak,
yes, because of things like this:

fuji has at least *five* gfx lenses on the 2017 lens map: http://fujifilm-x.com/gfx/

x-mount is the "red-headed stepchild" of fuji ;-)

it's really sad that i have to come out here and tell fuji owners what fuji is doing.

maybe if you didn't troll sony all the time, and listened to what people said instead, you'd know the facts yourself.
Some people also like the smell of fresh cow dung.
yes, that's why they buy fuji.
You sound like a little child that realized that it's wrong. So funny to see lol
you claimed that sony is cow dung, then called me names... congrats on proving my point, again!
No, I didn't claim that sony is cow dung.
lying about it won't change what you said.
what part of fuji not having an 80/2.8 macro do you not understand?
The word "vaporware" means, that the product will never be released,
correct, fuji doesn't have an 80/2.8... you are in denial.
is this another english problem of yours?
I would be silent, if I wouldn't know what vaporware means!
you clearly don't know what it means, and you are trolling again, lol

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You need to just let this go, the dude doesn't have a single picture or piece of gear posted. He's also extremely wrong on several issues and one of the guys he linked to, has shown that the Fuji X-T2/T20, with several of the Fuji primes, can match the sharpness of Canon's 50 MP sensor and it can even beat it with other glass.

'Either way though, if you're waiting on his comprehension skills to improve, you could be waiting a very long time!
 
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The eye detect in the a7rII did not work very well for me, people have stated the a6300 has better eye detect and the new a9 still better. It seems to be the newer the version the better it's getting and unfortunately Sony doesn't offer the ability to update firmware to get the better focusing. Fuji face detect works well, as long as about half the face is visible it's detects quickly and focuses very accurately. The nice thing with Fuji is if they come out with a better focusing system they give you the update for free instead of making you buy a new camera. My only concern is the xt20 I'm not sure it has as good of a focusing system as the xt2 or xpro2, that's something you'd have to look into. The 56 is a great lens, I absolutely love it but it's not the quickest lens in the group if you use f 1.2-1.6 a bunch. The cheap 35f2 is small, extremely light, cheap and a great nifty 50. The 90 f2 is great also. Good luck.
 
You need to just let this go, the dude doesn't have a single picture or piece of gear posted. He's also extremely wrong on several issues and one of the guys he linked to, has shown that the Fuji X-T2/T20, with several of the Fuji primes, can match the sharpness of Canon's 50 MP sensor and it can even beat it with other glass.
link?

oh, nevermind... i forgot who i was talking to.
 
Fuji face detect works well, as long as about half the face is visible it's detects quickly and focuses very accurately. The nice thing with Fuji is if they come out with a better focusing system they give you the update for free instead of making you buy a new camera.
"Fuji had an issue with PDAF and FD. It was well illustrated in Rico's detailed guides on Fuji cameras. Basically on a Fuji you could not have FD and PDAF at the same time. It had nothing to do with Light or shooting at various apertures. It had to do with the fact, that Fuji could not implement PDAF on sensor and Face Detect at the same time. There were excuses made as to why. Fuji also could not (until XT2) implement ability to change metering and FD at the same time, if you turn FD, you can't change metering.

XT2 fixed the metering part, you could now do metering and Face Detect at the same time, but not PDAF and Face Detect. Other mfrs like Sony and Olympus actually allow to have both FD and PDAF at the same time, that technology works for example, in Sony A6000 etc cameras. You can track by face with full PDAF on sony A6300. XT2 still did not give you that ability.

However on my XT20, I see now that I can choose CH, CAF, and FD at the same time. I wonder if it means that Fuji finally solved the issue and I can have FD and PDAF on sensor at the same time. Or does it mean that Fuji is going to track Faces with Contrast Detect only at 8fps on XT20?"

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59215276
 
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You need to just let this go, the dude doesn't have a single picture or piece of gear posted. He's also extremely wrong on several issues and one of the guys he linked to, has shown that the Fuji X-T2/T20, with several of the Fuji primes, can match the sharpness of Canon's 50 MP sensor and it can even beat it with other glass.
link?

oh, nevermind... i forgot who i was talking to.

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https://petapixel.com/2016/09/14/fuji-x-t2-sharper-canon-5ds-r-preliminary-side-side-comparison/

No I'm the guy that provided evidence, you just spew garbage! Anyway, back to the ignore list for you!
 
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As stated Fuji has updated its face detect and the update was free and for the xpro2 and xt2 you can now use face detect with metering and pdaf, but I'm not sure about the xt20. Sony eye detect has gotten much better as long as there's only one face in the photo, but for some reason Sony never offered an update for this on the a7 series were eye detect still is pretty poor. My a7rII was not able to find an eye unless the person was fully faced forward and standing still, even than if there was more than one person it would continuously bounce back and forth between them. The a7 series still has many focusing issues depending on the lens. Neither system is perfect, each individual needs to figure out what works best for them and which camera suits their needs and style. The op wants primes, Fuji has great primes, Sony has some decent ones at reasonable prices and great ones at high prices. The Fuji camera gives the op many more controls instantly available on the camera and a much better menu system, the a9 corrects these issues but the a7II does not have the better set up. The op is not looking for continuous focusing or frame rates or movies, only stills with primes. I suggest the op gets his hands on the cameras and choose from there, it's the only way to see which set up works best for you and which focusing system works for you, Fuji joy stick focus point control is so easy to use. Go try the cameras and decide for you neither is a bad choice and both will give you good results.
 
You need to just let this go, the dude doesn't have a single picture or piece of gear posted. He's also extremely wrong on several issues and one of the guys he linked to, has shown that the Fuji X-T2/T20, with several of the Fuji primes, can match the sharpness of Canon's 50 MP sensor and it can even beat it with other glass.
link?

oh, nevermind... i forgot who i was talking to.

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https://petapixel.com/2016/09/14/fuji-x-t2-sharper-canon-5ds-r-preliminary-side-side-comparison/

No I'm the guy that provided evidence
like when you repeatedly tried telling us that dof doesn't matter for calculating equivalence? that was real smart... NOT
Anyway, back to the ignore list for you!
oh gee, petapixel clickbait as proof, lol

here is a real studio comparison, the 5dsr is much sharper: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/im...&x=-0.24457711572840318&y=-0.6028701352388825

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As stated Fuji has updated its face detect and the update was free and for the xpro2 and xt2 you can now use face detect with metering and pdaf,
he said "not PDAF and Face Detect" with the x-t2, after the update... a6300/a6500 apparently does it, but the x-t2 does not, at least as of a few weeks ago.

and he didn't know if it was pdaf and face detect on the x-t20, at 8fps... no one on the forum knew enough to confirm one way or the other, which isn't surprising.

sophisticated functionality like eyeaf depends on sensor design... my primitive a7r for example is cdaf-only, it will never have pdaf capability, and eyeaf only works in af-s and in optimal conditions.

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Your links don't prove anything.
neither does anything that you said there, lol
Only a troll like you won't accept it.

You have claimed, that Fujis R&D is weak,
yes, because of things like this:

fuji has at least *five* gfx lenses on the 2017 lens map: http://fujifilm-x.com/gfx/
Did you even relize, that the GFX is new in the market? Of course they have to bring lenses in a shorter time, to make the system complete. How long did it take, until Sony had a competitive lens lineup for their A7 cameras? The X-Mount has a pretty complete lens lineup, and just needs to fill some gaps right now. Like more compact lenses, or some tele primes, or the 80mm macro.
x-mount is the "red-headed stepchild" of fuji ;-)
It doesn't get true, if you repeat it on and on.
maybe if you didn't troll sony all the time, and listened to what people said instead, you'd know the facts yourself.
You should learn to understand what is written. THAT would be great, because the thread wouldn't be bombed with your nonsense then.
Some people also like the smell of fresh cow dung.
yes, that's why they buy fuji.
You sound like a little child that realized that it's wrong. So funny to see lol
you claimed that sony is cow dung, then called me names... congrats on proving my point, again!
No, I didn't claim that sony is cow dung.
lying about it won't change what you said.
Are you really that stupid that you don't understand what is written?

what part of fuji not having an 80/2.8 macro do you not understand?
The word "vaporware" means, that the product will never be released,
correct, fuji doesn't have an 80/2.8... you are in denial.
You are clearly a troll. Even after several explanations what the word "vaporware" means, you still don't get it right.

The 80mm macro was always planed for 2017, it hasn't been delayed. So why do you call it vaporware? I know it, because you are a TROLL period!
is this another english problem of yours?
I would be silent, if I wouldn't know what vaporware means!
you clearly don't know what it means, and you are trolling again, lol
Du bist echt das dümmste Arschloch was mir seit langem untergekommen ist. Wie kann man nur so unterbelichtet sein?
 

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