(OT) Does anyone like Windows Firewall?

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I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
 
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
Software firewalls are woefully inadequate. Get a good router with at least NAT.
 
If you have a broadband connection, I'd recommend that you turn on the internet connection firewall. It works fine, does the job, though it doesn't have the bells and whistles you'll find in Symantec's firewall.

I strongly recommend turning on Windows Update, too, so XP can download any OS fixes. You can tell it to automatically install the updates or prompt you each time one is ready. You can configure it under Start-> Settings-> Control Panel-> System. Click on the Automatic Updates tab and review the settings.

I agree with the recommendation for Norton Antivirus. It's a fine package.
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
 
Software firewalls are inadequate for what? Yes, they're not useful to firewall an enterprise but they're a good solution for home or small business users. You don't need a router and NATs are a hack...the networking world equivalent to DOS extended memory.
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
Software firewalls are woefully inadequate. Get a good router with
at least NAT.
 
I would suggest both a software firewall and a basic nat box. If you use zone alarm set the firewall section for both trusted and untrusted to high security that shuts down all server ports if your not listening then thats one less way in. The nice thing about the nat boxes is that if they are attacked the worse that will happen is they will lock up. If zone alarm or someother software firewall is sucessfully attacked (I don't know of any exploits for zonealarm or the others from outside) it will shutdown and leave your machine vulnerable. The other thing to think about is if you machine is being attacked and you don't have a nat box it could cause a denial of service situation not to just your internet access but to the machine itself.
-Philip
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
 
Thanks, all. I've enabled the firewall. I will also start allowing MS to install updates, maybe... I am sure I have had trouble before after updates were installed. I got the 'blue screen of death' the next time I turned the PC on. It cleared okay and I didn't have any more problems. But it scared the hell out of me because this PC is my whole business life. PatiO.

PS: I am going to start a new thread on that subject and see if anyone else has had the same trouble.
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
 
Go to Gibson Research's Shields Up site and test your firewall for vulnerabilities...
https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

A router box is definitely a good suggestion, as well as Zone Alarm.
PS: I am going to start a new thread on that subject and see if
anyone else has had the same trouble.
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
 
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
Software firewalls are woefully inadequate. Get a good router with
at least NAT.
What do you think a router with NAT if not software? A router with NAT - assuming the user configures it properly - provides little if any additional protection in terms of what a home user needs.

daveR
 
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
Software firewalls are woefully inadequate. Get a good router with
at least NAT.
Ask any script kiddie how effective software firewalls are. I said at the very least re:NAT. I did not identify it as a totally secure solution, genius.
 
Try Zone Alarm. It's free and good from Zonelabs
--

This was kicked around on another list I read and the general conclusion, and these are people who install networks for a living, is to get the free version of Zone Alarm (Pro version if you just like to spend $) and keep your Norton up to date. Here is part of what was said:

===========================================
The first thing to do is to go to http://www.grc.com and follow the links and
instructions for "Shields Up". This will test your router firewall. If
most ports come back "stealth" with only a few as "closed" and none
"open" your router firewall is doing its job incoming. Then do the
"LeakTest" to see if its doing its job on outgoing traffic. If

everything tests ok at least you know there are no holes. You should still also go with a software firewall. In my tests the Sygate
(www.sygate.com) and the Norton firewalls do not effect your system
resources as much as Zone Alarm although your system should not be
having a problem with them. I used to run a previous version of
ZoneAlarm on a PIII-450 with no problems.
==========================================
One of the major pluses of a firewall is that you can also control what
gets OUT of your computer. The router should handle most of the incoming
stuff, but if a trojan horse or other spyware should happen to get into
your system, the firewall may well block its attempts to "phone home",
thereby protecting your data and personal security.
============================================
Everything I've ever read says that Microsoft XP's firewall is almost as bad as
having
nothing, maybe worse since you get a false sense of security.
My personal experience is that it causes more problems than not, especially on
a home network.
I agree with you on ZoneAlarm, or get Norton's Firewall.
============================================

Buck
 
Try Zone Alarm. It's free and good from Zonelabs
--

This was kicked around on another list I read and the general
conclusion, and these are people who install networks for a living,
is to get the free version of Zone Alarm (Pro version if you just
like to spend $) and keep your Norton up to date. Here is part of
what was said:

===========================================
The first thing to do is to go to http://www.grc.com and follow the links and
instructions for "Shields Up". This will test your router
firewall. If
most ports come back "stealth" with only a few as "closed" and none
"open" your router firewall is doing its job incoming. Then do the
"LeakTest" to see if its doing its job on outgoing traffic. If
everything tests ok at least you know there are no holes. You
should still also go with a software firewall. In my tests the
Sygate
(www.sygate.com) and the Norton firewalls do not effect your system
resources as much as Zone Alarm although your system should not be
having a problem with them. I used to run a previous version of
ZoneAlarm on a PIII-450 with no problems.
==========================================
One of the major pluses of a firewall is that you can also control
what
gets OUT of your computer. The router should handle most of the
incoming
stuff, but if a trojan horse or other spyware should happen to get
into
your system, the firewall may well block its attempts to "phone home",
thereby protecting your data and personal security.
============================================
Everything I've ever read says that Microsoft XP's firewall is
almost as bad as
having
nothing, maybe worse since you get a false sense of security.
My personal experience is that it causes more problems than not,
especially on
a home network.
I agree with you on ZoneAlarm, or get Norton's Firewall.
============================================

Buck
Do Not Trust M$ to provide security it's severly broken and they have admitted they can't fix all the leaks.

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If you do, then by all means use the M$ firewall, and, oh yes, allow XP to phone home whenever it wants and install whatever it wants onto your computer.

But if you don't, then...

TURN OFF WINDOWS UPDATE.

You said your computer was your business life. Then allow NO ONE to mess with it, especially not micro$oft. M$ actually issued a security patch a while pack that did more damage than it solved. So, NO, do not use windows update - at least not in automatic mode.

Firewalls: I have ZoneAlarm Pro. I have used it for years and it has proved to be very reliable. The newer versions (v3 on) include ad blocking and popup killing - very useful, if you do not already have programs that do the same.

I might also make a suggestion. Get a program that will allow you to image your hard drive (such as Drive Image). With this software you can make images of known stable versions of your OS. Very useful should your OS ever go south after a rogue installation (or windows update).

Declan
 
Wow. The long version of my last post. Awesome.
Try Zone Alarm. It's free and good from Zonelabs
--

This was kicked around on another list I read and the general
conclusion, and these are people who install networks for a living,
is to get the free version of Zone Alarm (Pro version if you just
like to spend $) and keep your Norton up to date. Here is part of
what was said:

===========================================
The first thing to do is to go to http://www.grc.com and follow the links and
instructions for "Shields Up". This will test your router
firewall. If
most ports come back "stealth" with only a few as "closed" and none
"open" your router firewall is doing its job incoming. Then do the
"LeakTest" to see if its doing its job on outgoing traffic. If
everything tests ok at least you know there are no holes. You
should still also go with a software firewall. In my tests the
Sygate
(www.sygate.com) and the Norton firewalls do not effect your system
resources as much as Zone Alarm although your system should not be
having a problem with them. I used to run a previous version of
ZoneAlarm on a PIII-450 with no problems.
==========================================
One of the major pluses of a firewall is that you can also control
what
gets OUT of your computer. The router should handle most of the
incoming
stuff, but if a trojan horse or other spyware should happen to get
into
your system, the firewall may well block its attempts to "phone home",
thereby protecting your data and personal security.
============================================
Everything I've ever read says that Microsoft XP's firewall is
almost as bad as
having
nothing, maybe worse since you get a false sense of security.
My personal experience is that it causes more problems than not,
especially on
a home network.
I agree with you on ZoneAlarm, or get Norton's Firewall.
============================================

Buck
 
Software firewalls are very effective against attacks that a home user with a DSL link would experience.
Ask any script kiddie how effective software firewalls are. I said
at the very least re:NAT. I did not identify it as a totally secure
solution, genius.
 
I disagree very strongly with you. Windows update is the best way Microsoft can get security fixes or bug fixes in the field to its customers. I've used it for two years with zero problems. And it's free. If you're not comfortable having it automatically install the updates, choose the option to review them before installing. It will prompt you when the download's done.

Declan: you can't bash Microsoft software for having bugs and then at the same time tell people not to pick up fixes. This is unreasonable.

Finally, while it's a very good idea to make regular, automatic backups of your hard disks, there's no need to start imaging drives for the purposes you give, unless you're profoundly paranoid. XP's system restore can be used to roll back your system state if you install something that causes you problems later.
If you do, then by all means use the M$ firewall, and, oh yes,
allow XP to phone home whenever it wants and install whatever it
wants onto your computer.

But if you don't, then...

TURN OFF WINDOWS UPDATE.

You said your computer was your business life. Then allow NO ONE
to mess with it, especially not micro$oft. M$ actually issued a
security patch a while pack that did more damage than it solved.
So, NO, do not use windows update - at least not in automatic mode.

Firewalls: I have ZoneAlarm Pro. I have used it for years and it
has proved to be very reliable. The newer versions (v3 on) include
ad blocking and popup killing - very useful, if you do not already
have programs that do the same.

I might also make a suggestion. Get a program that will allow you
to image your hard drive (such as Drive Image). With this software
you can make images of known stable versions of your OS. Very
useful should your OS ever go south after a rogue installation (or
windows update).

Declan
 
If you do, then by all means use the M$ firewall, and, oh yes,
allow XP to phone home whenever it wants and install whatever it
wants onto your computer.

But if you don't, then...

TURN OFF WINDOWS UPDATE.

You said your computer was your business life. Then allow NO ONE
to mess with it, especially not micro$oft. M$ actually issued a
security patch a while pack that did more damage than it solved.
So, NO, do not use windows update - at least not in automatic mode.

Firewalls: I have ZoneAlarm Pro. I have used it for years and it
has proved to be very reliable. The newer versions (v3 on) include
ad blocking and popup killing - very useful, if you do not already
have programs that do the same.

I might also make a suggestion. Get a program that will allow you
to image your hard drive (such as Drive Image). With this software
you can make images of known stable versions of your OS. Very
useful should your OS ever go south after a rogue installation (or
windows update).

Declan
Great thinking... most - if not all - of the recent worms/virii designed to attack Microsoft systems were preventable if only people had applied updates.

daveR
 
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
I run three or four computers at home, two printers on a print server, and recently added wireless for a laptop. The only protections I have are the NAT inherent in the router, and the Norton Antivirus that screens my incoming E-mail. I've been running this setup for two years and never had a virus get through.
 
I have just recently acquired full time DSL and have been advised
to get a firewall in addition to my Norton Antiviris software. I
found that my Windows XT Pro has a firewall builtin. All I have to
do is enable it.
Anyone have any suggestions as to how good this is? Thanks. PatiO.
I run three or four computers at home, two printers on a print
server, and recently added wireless for a laptop. The only
protections I have are the NAT inherent in the router, and the
Norton Antivirus that screens my incoming E-mail. I've been
running this setup for two years and never had a virus get through.
 

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