300D: Canon Canada is a ripoff as usual

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Hello????

"These rates updated at 08:48 AM Ottawa local time on 01-Dec-2000."

The exchange rate is closer to 0.71 now not 0.64.
I should have looked at the small print on that web site :-) Anyway, USD charges in my August MasterCard invoice were converted at 1.41, which still means that a legally-imported Digital Rebel will come in at a price not-too-far from the price in local stores, and, to give Canon Canada the benefit of the doubt, their pricing strategy may be intended to have sufficient cushion to accommodate a possible drop in the value of CND. I think CND1400/1500 for the Digital Rebel body/kit would be closer to the pricing of other Canon cameras, but another $100 does not make it so outrageously high that I would want to give up the convenience of buying locally.

Bob
The $2000 CAD price appears to be a mistake--or a mythological MSRP
that is substantially higher than the actual selling price. Both
http://www.cameracanada.com and http://www.henrys.com list the price as $1600 CAD
for the kit and $1500 CAD for the body only, which is more-or-less
in line with the US prices.

Bob
More or less in line? Are you on crack? $899US = (aprox) $1265CDN
Unless I REALLY suck at math.....$1265 is nowhere NEAR $1500 thats
still $235 CDN more than getting it from the US. With taxes at the
border the price will be around $1500. If you buy in Canada at
$1500 your looking at almost $1800 with PST/GST and thats without
the lens. (unless you live in Alberta the you would save the PST)
--
As of today, according to the Acu-Rate foreign exhange listing
http://www.accu-rate.ca/ratecard2/GRIC.htm , $1000USD sells for
$1513CDN. So, yes, I'd describe the local Canadian price of
$1600CDN for the Digital Rebel kit to be more-or-less in line with
the price in the US. Unless you smuggle in your camera, you
still have to pay GST and PST, so there are no savings there, and
if you buy it from a retail store in, say, New York State, you also
have to pay the state sales tax. If the camera is shipped, there
are customs brokerage charges (as well as GST/PST). So while I
would very much like the Canadian price to be lower, the price
difference is not that significant (If Canon Canada was serious
about the selling price being $2000, then it would have been.)

Bob
 
http://www.canon.ca/english/index-pressrelease.asp?lng=en&cat=1&id=333&arc=0

listed for $2000 CAD?? I'm sorry... 2-1 exchange rate?? ahem... one
really does have to a brainless monkey to do that... and of course
all local shops will be only happy selling it for this amount.

This is pretty much a big F#CK YOU from Canon to all canadians...
and i suspect to most other countries around the world as well...

uggggh, this just makes me sooo madd!
If you feel that way, you are lucky to live in Canada. You could live in Greece 2 times the US price or UK.

Costas
 
That has to be the most ill-informed statement I have ever heard. Last I checked y'all had the absolute highest per capita welfare role in the industrialized world.

The only difference is health insurance you ignorant dumbass - and don't forget that we get taxed at a much higher rate then you do simply to support or healthcare system.

I pay for everything out of my own pocket and the reason that there is so little left in the pocket is largely due to the fact that we can't always compete in the US market because of your government's protectionist trade regulations.

So who the hell is helping you pay for your equipment?

Once again, a blabbermouth American makes the rest of America look like morons with his ignorant statements based solely on what he hears on CNN and Jerry Springer.

No wonder the rest of the world can't stand the USA.
listed for $2000 CAD?? I'm sorry... 2-1 exchange rate??
uggggh, this just makes me sooo madd!
It's because in America we are a capitalist country and Canon knows
that we have to pay for the equipment out of our own pockets.
Canada (like other euro-style economies) subsidizes the worker --
most of the money that will be used to pay for new 300D's will come
from the Canadian government through welfare payments. Canon
simply wants to draw on this pool of public money.

;) Stanley Allen
 
Camera Canada is advertising the 300D for C$1600 with lens.
http://www.canon.ca/english/index-pressrelease.asp?lng=en&cat=1&id=333&arc=0

listed for $2000 CAD?? I'm sorry... 2-1 exchange rate?? ahem... one
really does have to a brainless monkey to do that... and of course
all local shops will be only happy selling it for this amount.

I was going to sneak 10D from the states and now that I'll be
getting a 300D (jumping from p&s) i was hoping to support local
business... but, nooooo...

This is pretty much a big F#CK YOU from Canon to all canadians...
and i suspect to most other countries around the world as well...

uggggh, this just makes me sooo madd!
--
'The wretch of today may be happy tomorrow' Macheath
 
Obviously the price is far less than the original poster thought.

But even at what looks like Cdn. $1,500 or so, it's a bargain compared to much of the world.

I'm a Canadian living in Brazil, where every digital camera is two to three times as expensive as in Canada. The same goes for computers and any modern gadgetry. What's even worse is that the "latest" version of products available here is often a year or so behind North America, which puts it pretty far behind Japan.

For example, here, they sell the Epson Stylus 820 printer for twice as much and claim it's the "latest." I've lost track, but in North America I think it's about three generations old. Forget about the Stlus 900, 925, 960 etc...they don't exist here.

So I'll happily pay the Canadian price for Canon digital equipment on my next visit, and hope I don't get caught at Brazilian customs, where the duty on such things is a mere 120%. Fortunately, I owned a D30 before I moved here.

DavidT
 
The situation is the same here in Malta.

The importer is a large group of companies that imports food, wine, besides Kodak products & canon cameras (!!!!!!).

The Canon is their "sideline".

They have a total lack of qualified personnel (you should got to their Kodak branches.....) who think "shutter lag" is the time they take to close the shop's gate.

To add insult to injury, the staff in their super-micro department are cheeky, "lah-di-dah & upity" snobs.

they've adopted the Kodak attitude: jump the photographer in the way to the client. Photographers are actually seen as their competitors.

Their prices are so ridicolously high, that a consumer gat a camera cheaper if s/he imports canon gear & apys all the relevant taxes & VAT.

Customer service? Customer care?

A local pro once ordered an EOS 3 & 28-135IS lens..... he needed them quickly, so they ordered via express courier (FedEx, DHL, can't remember).

The pro expected to pay extra for carriage; imagine his anger when he got to know that the body & lens were ordered SEPARATELY, doubling the freight cost....... those are the @ssh0les that run the place.

Wow. I can't believe they're still the official importers....

regards,

--
JF

http://www.jfphotostudio.com
[email protected]
 
If that was intended irony, I think you should take some sort of literature course.
Once again, a blabbermouth American makes the rest of America look
like morons with his ignorant statements based solely on what he
hears on CNN and Jerry Springer.

No wonder the rest of the world can't stand the USA.
-- please note from original post:


~
V
;) Stanley Allen

Stanley Allen
 
According to XE.com at 5:48PM Pacific Time Tuesday Aug 26:
899.00 USD United States Dollars = 1,253.60 CAD Canada Dollars

1253.60 + 14.5% (pst/gst) = 1435.37 No duty on Digital Camera's
1500.00 + 14.5% (pst/gst) = 1717.50

Close enough to buy locally still?

For close to $300 difference I can mail the camera into Canon myself for any warranty work. Rather than taking it to the local dealer I bought it from to send off.

IF I purchase one of these litle beauties....I will definitely be getting it from the US unless CDN dealers here bring it down to at least CLOSE to par with the US. I do realise all these prices are still speculation....(correct me if I'm wrong here) even Henry's says that $1500 is an unconfirmed price I believe.
Hello????

"These rates updated at 08:48 AM Ottawa local time on 01-Dec-2000."

The exchange rate is closer to 0.71 now not 0.64.
I should have looked at the small print on that web site :-)
Anyway, USD charges in my August MasterCard invoice were converted
at 1.41, which still means that a legally-imported Digital Rebel
will come in at a price not-too-far from the price in local stores,
and, to give Canon Canada the benefit of the doubt, their pricing
strategy may be intended to have sufficient cushion to accommodate
a possible drop in the value of CND. I think CND1400/1500 for the
Digital Rebel body/kit would be closer to the pricing of other
Canon cameras, but another $100 does not make it so outrageously
high that I would want to give up the convenience of buying locally.

Bob
The $2000 CAD price appears to be a mistake--or a mythological MSRP
that is substantially higher than the actual selling price. Both
http://www.cameracanada.com and http://www.henrys.com list the price as $1600 CAD
for the kit and $1500 CAD for the body only, which is more-or-less
in line with the US prices.

Bob
More or less in line? Are you on crack? $899US = (aprox) $1265CDN
Unless I REALLY suck at math.....$1265 is nowhere NEAR $1500 thats
still $235 CDN more than getting it from the US. With taxes at the
border the price will be around $1500. If you buy in Canada at
$1500 your looking at almost $1800 with PST/GST and thats without
the lens. (unless you live in Alberta the you would save the PST)
--
As of today, according to the Acu-Rate foreign exhange listing
http://www.accu-rate.ca/ratecard2/GRIC.htm , $1000USD sells for
$1513CDN. So, yes, I'd describe the local Canadian price of
$1600CDN for the Digital Rebel kit to be more-or-less in line with
the price in the US. Unless you smuggle in your camera, you
still have to pay GST and PST, so there are no savings there, and
if you buy it from a retail store in, say, New York State, you also
have to pay the state sales tax. If the camera is shipped, there
are customs brokerage charges (as well as GST/PST). So while I
would very much like the Canadian price to be lower, the price
difference is not that significant (If Canon Canada was serious
about the selling price being $2000, then it would have been.)

Bob
--
©º°¨¨°º©©º°¨¨°º© C-2100 UZi owner ©º°¨¨°º©©º°¨¨°º©

 
Dear XXX, XXXX

Thank you for your e-mail inquiry regarding our new EOS Digital Rebel.
Canon Canada Inc. and Canon USA set price points independent of one another
based on the market. As America has a greater population, and therefore a
larger market than Canada, Canon USA is able to set a different price point
than Canon Canada Inc.

As you may be aware the EOS Digital Rebel is scheduled for released in
September. When the camera is available you may find more competitive
pricing through authorized Canon sales dealers. To obtain the nearest
sales dealers to your location you may utilize the dealer locator on our
web site.

http://www.canon.ca/english/index-dealerlocator.asp

Should you require further assistance, please feel free to email us or
visit our customer support website at http://www.canon.ca

Sincerely,

David
Technical Support Representative
Customer Information Centre
Canon Canada Inc.
 
"Canon Canada is wholly-owned by Canon USA Inc., and forms an important part of Canon Americas' marketing region." as per Canon Canada's about page!!!

http://www.canon.ca/english/index-aboutcanonca.html

This tells me the price should be somewhat the same since Canon USA is the importer! You got the good old canned excuse that they have used on me in the past...
Dear XXX, XXXX

Thank you for your e-mail inquiry regarding our new EOS Digital Rebel.
Canon Canada Inc. and Canon USA set price points independent of one
another
based on the market. As America has a greater population, and
therefore a
larger market than Canada, Canon USA is able to set a different
price point
than Canon Canada Inc.

As you may be aware the EOS Digital Rebel is scheduled for released in
September. When the camera is available you may find more competitive
pricing through authorized Canon sales dealers. To obtain the nearest
sales dealers to your location you may utilize the dealer locator
on our
web site.

http://www.canon.ca/english/index-dealerlocator.asp

Should you require further assistance, please feel free to email us or
visit our customer support website at http://www.canon.ca

Sincerely,

David
Technical Support Representative
Customer Information Centre
Canon Canada Inc.
 
$400 ?????

I priced the 10d camera only for between $2200-2400. Even adding a cheap lens like the rebel with bring the price to $2400 or more.

The rebel with LENS will sell for about $1600 (see Henrys.ca)

Thats $800 ... with tax.... $920 difference.

regards !
http://www.canon.ca/english/index-pressrelease.asp?lng=en&cat=1&id=333&arc=0

listed for $2000 CAD?? I'm sorry... 2-1 exchange rate?? ahem... one
really does have to a brainless monkey to do that... and of course
all local shops will be only happy selling it for this amount.

I was going to sneak 10D from the states and now that I'll be
getting a 300D (jumping from p&s) i was hoping to support local
business... but, nooooo...

This is pretty much a big F#CK YOU from Canon to all canadians...
and i suspect to most other countries around the world as well...

uggggh, this just makes me sooo madd!
 
Like many others I emailed Canon Canada about their pricing and got back the same sort of message.

It appears that our many inquiries may have caused Canon Canada to reconsider their pricing and dropped the MSRP price by $400.

That's what I call the power of the people.

Thanks to everyone who emailed Canon Canada about this.

Mike R.
 
The SLP at the site is $1499 cdn, $1599 with lens.
http://www.canon.ca/english/index-pressrelease.asp?lng=en&cat=1&id=333&arc=0

listed for $2000 CAD?? I'm sorry... 2-1 exchange rate?? ahem... one
really does have to a brainless monkey to do that... and of course
all local shops will be only happy selling it for this amount.

I was going to sneak 10D from the states and now that I'll be
getting a 300D (jumping from p&s) i was hoping to support local
business... but, nooooo...

This is pretty much a big F#CK YOU from Canon to all canadians...
and i suspect to most other countries around the world as well...

uggggh, this just makes me sooo madd!
--
W.Jim
C-5050
 
the Canadians have continued to bicker but I have yet to see a reply to either of my posts.
http://www.canon.ca/english/index-pressrelease.asp?lng=en&cat=1&id=333&arc=0

listed for $2000 CAD?? I'm sorry... 2-1 exchange rate?? ahem... one
really does have to a brainless monkey to do that... and of course
all local shops will be only happy selling it for this amount.

I was going to sneak 10D from the states and now that I'll be
getting a 300D (jumping from p&s) i was hoping to support local
business... but, nooooo...

This is pretty much a big F#CK YOU from Canon to all canadians...
and i suspect to most other countries around the world as well...

uggggh, this just makes me sooo madd!
--
http://www.pbase.com/agent2099
 
And consumers are out to get the best price. For many of us, if that means buying in the States, that's what we'll do. There should be little cost difference over the US and Canadian models.

Even at $1600, with the GST/PST of 15% (in Ontario), you'll still save over $300 if buying in the States.

Just because Canon is in the "business of making money" it doesn't mean that we can't get p*ssed off when they try to rip us off.
These price deviations are caused by duties and taxes levied when
importing products into a country.

Why is it so cheap in the US, we have lower tax rates on imports.
So if you have a problem with the price call up you government and
blame them not Canon.
Actually that is not true and most of Canons consumer digicam line
has been priced exactly as it should be, some models occaisonally
cheaper in Canada. Many cars are also cheaper in Canada.

This is a pure and simple case of the addtional greed factor...

Peter
--
http://www.pbase.com/agent2099
 
Here's you're % &# reply !!
the Canadians have continued to bicker but I have yet to see a
reply to either of my posts.
I think the info content in this thread is above average, so I don't know about
that "bickering" label. But mostly, I don't disagree with you.

My Personal Opinions (tm) are:

1. In general Canon is a price competitive digi cam manufacturer. The D60, 10d
300d releases probably changed the product plans of most of their competitors.
Also, the G2, G3, A70 and A80 set the standard of "bang for the buck"

2. Since when did MSRP mean anything ? At the end of the day you have to sell

to the actual market. Also, I don't think that the $cad price was set by a financial person doing in-depth analysis on the expected future price of the canadian dollar exchange rate, more likely it was a marketting guess with a "cya" margin.

3. The Canadian market is 1-2 years behind the US in terms of market share and average cost, which means less retail competition, and hence, prices closer to list. I also don't know if distribution has more layers and is more expensive in Canada. Also, atleast in the Toronto area, the majority of retailers are staffed camera stores, not http://www mail order.

4. As a canadian consumer I have alternatives: I can get mail order from the US, and I can buy other brands, which means that Canon really can't set the market.
 

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