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At a british webshop i can get a g85 12-60 kit and 100-300 ii with a combined cashback of 200£ for a total of ca. 1000£

Seccondhand locally I can get an em1 with battery grip in really nice condition and a 50-200mm Swd +1.4TC for ca 800£

Which is the better option for my upcoming trip to SA.

My current kit is em10 Mark 1 with oly 17mm 1.8 oly 45mm 1.8 pana 12-32 and 35-100 kit lenses.
 
I can't help you with that decision.

But amazon.uk seems to sell the Olympus 75-300 II for 315£ and there's a cashback program by Olympus that would give you 85£.

Maybe that's an option, too?
 
At a british webshop i can get a g85 12-60 kit and 100-300 ii with a combined cashback of 200£ for a total of ca. 1000£

Seccondhand locally I can get an em1 with battery grip in really nice condition and a 50-200mm Swd +1.4TC for ca 800£

Which is the better option for my upcoming trip to SA.

My current kit is em10 Mark 1 with oly 17mm 1.8 oly 45mm 1.8 pana 12-32 and 35-100 kit lenses.
Assuming your focus is animals rather than birds I'd say, during the day, you're likely to need between 30-200mm on a m 4/3 (you might be surprised how close some animals come to a car/jeep so you need wider angles but 400 FF equivalent is plenty otherwise). Because of the weather the f4-5.6 of the 100-300 pany will be fine during the day. However, if you're going on an evening drive you'll need something much faster even allowing for the fact that you should be able to use a monopod if going with a guide/driver combo in a jeep.

Adrian
 
At a british webshop i can get a g85 12-60 kit and 100-300 ii with a combined cashback of 200£ for a total of ca. 1000£
I am not sure what this gives you, apart from the longer 100-300mm, over what you have already. As the other poster has said you can just get the Olympus 75-300mm and save a lot of money, or do you need a backup body?
Seccondhand locally I can get an em1 with battery grip in really nice condition and a 50-200mm Swd +1.4TC for ca 800£
(Remember that you need an adapter like the MM-F3 for the 50-200mm)

This is an entirely different proposition. The 55-200mm SWD is a very good lens but it is very heavy - nearly 1kg. I wouldn't buy one for that reason. Save your money for a Panasonic 100-400mm which will focus faster.

The used E-M1 (I have one) is complicated. It is a much more capable camera than your E-M10 but you don't really need the additional facilities for a safari. The problem with the E-M1 is that is has two persistent faults - the rear control wheel tends to fail and the strap lugs sometimes fall off. I got my E-M1 with a 5 year warranty and have had to return it once already because the control wheel failed. I use a Peak Design strap connected to the tripod mount to avoid a catastrophic strap lug failure.

So, if the E-M1 comes with a warranty you could go for it, but if it doesn't make sure that there are absolutely no signs of a failing rear control wheel.

Olympus Europe gave away battery grips free with the E-M1 for a while so there are a lot around - I have one. They don't work very well as a battery grip because it only takes one battery and you have to remove the grip to get at the other battery in the camera. Because of this I have only used mine once.
Which is the better option for my upcoming trip to SA.
Your existing kit with a 75-300mm will be fine for a South African safari (I am going in July). If you are staying in private camps and going out on morning and evening drives then you will probably use your 35-100mm f/2.8 most of the time. The animals will be very close.
My current kit is em10 Mark 1 with oly 17mm 1.8 oly 45mm 1.8 pana 12-32 and 35-100 kit lenses.
 
At a british webshop i can get a g85 12-60 kit and 100-300 ii with a combined cashback of 200£ for a total of ca. 1000£

Seccondhand locally I can get an em1 with battery grip in really nice condition and a 50-200mm Swd +1.4TC for ca 800£

Which is the better option for my upcoming trip to SA.

My current kit is em10 Mark 1 with oly 17mm 1.8 oly 45mm 1.8 pana 12-32 and 35-100 kit lenses.
I would get the 50-200 and ec14, it's a great combo with great IQ. I love mine and will never sell it.
 
I can't help you with that decision.

But amazon.uk seems to sell the Olympus 75-300 II for 315£ and there's a cashback program by Olympus that would give you 85£.

Maybe that's an option, too?
This is a very good alternative you are suggesting and a solid good advise. I guess I'm worried that the oly 75-300 together with the 3 axis ibis will have me wanting more.
 
At a british webshop i can get a g85 12-60 kit and 100-300 ii with a combined cashback of 200£ for a total of ca. 1000£

Seccondhand locally I can get an em1 with battery grip in really nice condition and a 50-200mm Swd +1.4TC for ca 800£

Which is the better option for my upcoming trip to SA.

My current kit is em10 Mark 1 with oly 17mm 1.8 oly 45mm 1.8 pana 12-32 and 35-100 kit lenses.
Well, you have three options on the table.

1. You could consider a faster telephoto lens so you can photograph animals in lower light and have the option to blur the background better,

2. You take with you a telephoto lens with a longer reach but let in less light. So, on one hand, you will have the option to compose your pictures better but you will have to bump up the iso in low light situation or not bother.

3. You could buy both...

I have only been to South West of Kruger Park and that was back in 2009. I only had a superzoom compact with me with a reach up to 150mm in MFT terms and that wasn't enough. It also important to note that South West of Kruger Park is bushland and apparently in the centre of Kruger Park has some grassland.

I would personally buy the Em1 with the 50-200 with the 1.4 teleconverters. So you have the option to shoot in lower light and have the option to shoot with a longer reach in the open areas.

I'm planning for my final safari next year and I'm looking at the PL50-200. The reason why is because while the 100-400 excellent for it reach but it nice to have the option for a lens that is faster and some nice reach as well.

When I went to Kenya, in the morning, during the rain or the evening, the light was bad for the 100-400. I had to resort to the 35-100mm 2.8 and during the hyena kill, they were too far away for that lens. So I had to use the 100-400 and the pictures I got weren't clean. Do I believe the PL 50-200 is the answer and I would have to say no! However with newer GH5 sensors handle the noise better, then we have the stabilisation and finally, the 50-200 is half a stop faster than the 100-400. With everything thrown in the GH5 + 50-200mm is likely to be a stop faster than the GH4 + 100-400.
 
Your existing Oly should serve just fine. Odds are you won't get very close to animals anyway. Rent a 100-300mm, just in case. For long shots, a monopod will be your friend, but beasts that lay low, or behind vegetation, won't be very easy to shoot.

The truth is your best shots will be of things fairly close or seen at wide angle.

Viewers back home will be most interested in the people or things in your photos' foreground. It won't cost you much to dress in the proper attire. And you can kneel atop your great vanquished quarry, strike a brave pose, and put no one at risk. Isn't it all about fun?
 
Your existing Oly should serve just fine.
However, if you want to capture the moment, you need a camera with a good buffer. My GH4 kept hitting the buffer limit and I was doing short controlled burst with raw + jpeg.
Odds are you won't get very close to animals anyway.
I have to assume you haven't been to Kruger Park because the animals don't consider the vehicles as a threat and usually don't run. Then there are occasions the animals walk close to the cars and I'm talking a foot here.
Rent a 100-300mm, just in case.
So first you're saying the animals are too far to photograph and the OP should stick to his existing lenses? Now you're saying the OP should rent a 100-300 just in case.
For long shots, a monopod will be your friend, but beasts that lay low, or behind vegetation, won't be very easy to shoot.
You don't need a monopod, you can use your arms/thighs or armrest to support the camera. Unless you're taking big full frame expensive large Canon telephoto L lenses, you don't need to go over the top.
The truth is your best shots will be of things fairly close or seen at wide angle.
-Portraits

-Landscape

-animals in their environments

-animals interaction

-close up shots
Viewers back home will be most interested in the people or things in your photos' foreground. It won't cost you much to dress in the proper attire. And you can kneel atop your great vanquished quarry, strike a brave pose, and put no one at risk. Isn't it all about fun?
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At a british webshop i can get a g85 12-60 kit and 100-300 ii with a combined cashback of 200£ for a total of ca. 1000£

Seccondhand locally I can get an em1 with battery grip in really nice condition and a 50-200mm Swd +1.4TC for ca 800£

Which is the better option for my upcoming trip to SA.

My current kit is em10 Mark 1 with oly 17mm 1.8 oly 45mm 1.8 pana 12-32 and 35-100 kit lenses.
I would get the 50-200 and ec14, it's a great combo with great IQ. I love mine and will never sell it.
I forgot to add that going with the EM1 and 50-200 you also have a weather sealed setup and don't have to worry about dust or rain. Which is highly beneficial in the environments you will find yourself in. That's if you get the mmf3 adapter.
 
At a british webshop i can get a g85 12-60 kit and 100-300 ii with a combined cashback of 200£ for a total of ca. 1000£

Seccondhand locally I can get an em1 with battery grip in really nice condition and a 50-200mm Swd +1.4TC for ca 800£

Which is the better option for my upcoming trip to SA.

My current kit is em10 Mark 1 with oly 17mm 1.8 oly 45mm 1.8 pana 12-32 and 35-100 kit lenses.
As much as I've been an Olympus shooter since 2002, I suspect the best bang for your buck is the G85 with the 12-60mm kit lens and 100-300mm mark II lens (make sure it is mark II). Particularly, since the E-m1 is used, and you might not know how used it is.

I assume in your E-m1 kit, there is a MMF-3 adapter for the lens. If not, you will need to budget for one. If you need weather sealing, you want the MMF-3 adapter, and not the earlier Olympus/Panasonic/clone adapters.

I do shoot regularly with the E-m1 mark I and 50-200mm + 1.4TC (though note, I have the first generation 50-200mm, not the 50-200mm SWD). I recently got a G85 to go with my E-M5 mark I and E-M1 mark I. I have not used the 100-300mm mark II lens (or the mark I version). I have briefly tried the Olympus 75-300mm in the store. I have not been to Africa, so I can't comment on the conditions there.

The main reason I got the G85 in this upgrade cycle rather than the E-M1 mark II is that it has an OLED viewfinder. This means I can clearly see the VF when I'm wearing polarized sunglasses. My E-m1 mark I and E-m5 mark I both have areas that you can't see when shooting in landscape orientation (i.e. normal horizontal shooting). The cameras VF is viewable when shooting in portrait orientation (i.e. vertical shooting). I have tested the E-m1 mark II in the store, and it had the same behavior. Note, I am generally ok to frame the shot even with parts of of the VF not being visible.

So assuming, you are going to be shooting a lot in very bright conditions, the G85 wins out. In terms of Olympus cameras, the Olympus E-m10 mark II and Pen-F also have OLED viewfinders (I don't what the E-m10 mark I uses, but I assume it is the same VF that the E-m5 mark I used).

In addition, using those two Panasonic lenses (12-60mm and 100-300mm mark II), those lenses have stabilization built-in to the lens as well as the sensor based stabilization that the G85 has (the E-m1 only has sensor based stablization). I would think that since the G85 can work with both stabilization systems that it would give better results. The typical consensus appears to be that sensor shift stablization works better for more wide angle subjects, while lens based stabilization works better at the telephoto end of things. I don't have a lens with stabilization that I shoot with (I do have the 12-60mm kit lens, but I haven't used it), so I can't say whether that is true from personal knowledge.

In theory, the DFD continuous focusing on the G85 helps with the two Panasonic lenses. Since I don't use continuous focusing and I don't shoot with a lens that works with the G85 DFD, I can't say whether it helps from personal experience. But others like it, so read their reviews.

One thing that the E-m1 wins out is you would get the HLD-7 grip, which would allow you to shoot twice as long without changing batteries, since you have 2 batteries. In addition, if you are mounting the camera on a monopod/tripod, you can change the bottom battery while the camera is mounted without having to remove it from the monopod or tripod. You can get a battery grip for the G85, but it is relatively expensive.

A lot of people like shooting with the grip, particularly with the heavier lenses like the 50-200mm. For normal shooting, I tend to not put my HLD-7 on the E-m1 mark I, but if I'm going to be shooting all day, I do put it on. The grip has extra buttons to help if you are shooting in portrait orientation mode. I generally turn these off, because I find I tend to turn the two dials by accident. I don't have the grip for the G85.

Now, the lenses in question will be shooting in the f/4-5.6, which are great for daylight shooting. However, the cameras will struggle if you are shooting at dusk or dawn in lower light. You would have the 17mm and 45mm for low light shooting (but not at a distance). The 50-200mm SWD is one stop faster if you take off the TC.

As I mentioned, I have the original version of the 50-200mm, which has a sensible lens hood that fits nicely on the camera, and packs nicely. The lens hood on the 50-200mm SWD lens is much bigger, and it means it is harder to pack your gear in a backpack or suitcase where you are carrying a lot of gear.

Note, the 50-200mm SWD is 995 g (2.2 lb/35.1 oz), the EC-14 is 170 g (6 oz), and the MMF-3 is 42g (1.6 oz) or 1,211g total (2.7 lb/42.7 oz). The 100-300mm mark II is 520g (1.2lb/18.3 oz). At the end of the day that 700g/1.5lb difference might be a factor if you are shooting freehand.

When I'm shooting subjects with little contrast (such as whale watching out in the ocean), I find the E-m1 mark I/50-200mm/EC-14 struggles getting focus. When I last went whale watching, I found myself switching to the 14-150mm mark II lens, and I was happier. Now, if there is plenty of contrast, it focuses fine. I got many great shots with that combo of surfers when I was on vacation in Hawaii.
 
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At a british webshop i can get a g85 12-60 kit and 100-300 ii with a combined cashback of 200£ for a total of ca. 1000£

Seccondhand locally I can get an em1 with battery grip in really nice condition and a 50-200mm Swd +1.4TC for ca 800£

Which is the better option for my upcoming trip to SA.

My current kit is em10 Mark 1 with oly 17mm 1.8 oly 45mm 1.8 pana 12-32 and 35-100 kit lenses.
As much as I've been an Olympus shooter since 2002, I suspect the best bang for your buck is the G85 with the 12-60mm kit lens and 100-300mm mark II lens (make sure it is mark II). Particularly, since the E-m1 is used, and you might not know how used it is.

I assume in your E-m1 kit, there is a MMF-3 adapter for the lens. If not, you will need to budget for one. If you need weather sealing, you want the MMF-3 adapter, and not the earlier Olympus/Panasonic/clone adapters.

I do shoot regularly with the E-m1 mark I and 50-200mm + 1.4TC (though note, I have the first generation 50-200mm, not the 50-200mm SWD). I recently got a G85 to go with my E-M5 mark I and E-M1 mark I. I have not used the 100-300mm mark II lens (or the mark I version). I have briefly tried the Olympus 75-300mm in the store. I have not been to Africa, so I can't comment on the conditions there.

The main reason I got the G85 in this upgrade cycle rather than the E-M1 mark II is that it has an OLED viewfinder. This means I can clearly see the VF when I'm wearing polarized sunglasses. My E-m1 mark I and E-m5 mark I both have areas that you can't see when shooting in landscape orientation (i.e. normal horizontal shooting). The cameras VF is viewable when shooting in portrait orientation (i.e. vertical shooting). I have tested the E-m1 mark II in the store, and it had the same behavior. Note, I am generally ok to frame the shot even with parts of of the VF not being visible.

So assuming, you are going to be shooting a lot in very bright conditions, the G85 wins out.
Really not sure how you can say this..............just get some sunglasses that are not polarized. Pretty simple solution actually and it's what I have done.
In terms of Olympus cameras, the Olympus E-m10 mark II and Pen-F also have OLED viewfinders (I don't what the E-m10 mark I uses, but I assume it is the same VF that the E-m5 mark I used).

In addition, using those two Panasonic lenses (12-60mm and 100-300mm mark II), those lenses have stabilization built-in to the lens as well as the sensor based stabilization that the G85 has (the E-m1 only has sensor based stablization). I would think that since the G85 can work with both stabilization systems that it would give better results. The typical consensus appears to be that sensor shift stablization works better for more wide angle subjects, while lens based stabilization works better at the telephoto end of things
I personally don't believe that. My EM1 works fine and I can handhold stupid low shutter speeds with my Sigma 50-500 at 500mm without much of a problem.
. I don't have a lens with stabilization that I shoot with (I do have the 12-60mm kit lens, but I haven't used it), so I can't say whether that is true from personal knowledge.

In theory, the DFD continuous focusing on the G85 helps with the two Panasonic lenses. Since I don't use continuous focusing and I don't shoot with a lens that works with the G85 DFD, I can't say whether it helps from personal experience. But others like it, so read their reviews.
All comparisons I have read show that Olympus's PDAF is superior to Panasonics DFD. Still waiting for some good test to come out between the EM1mk2 and GH5 with respect to CAF. Mirrorlessons in their review of the 100-400 concluded it performed better in CAF on the EM1 then the GX8 (which are the cameras they tested it on).
One thing that the E-m1 wins out is you would get the HLD-7 grip, which would allow you to shoot twice as long without changing batteries, since you have 2 batteries.
You also fail to mention the deep buffer on the EM1 that will allow shooting action for longer periods of time.
In addition, if you are mounting the camera on a monopod/tripod, you can change the bottom battery while the camera is mounted without having to remove it from the monopod or tripod. You can get a battery grip for the G85, but it is relatively expensive.

A lot of people like shooting with the grip, particularly with the heavier lenses like the 50-200mm. For normal shooting, I tend to not put my HLD-7 on the E-m1 mark I, but if I'm going to be shooting all day, I do put it on. The grip has extra buttons to help if you are shooting in portrait orientation mode. I generally turn these off, because I find I tend to turn the two dials by accident. I don't have the grip for the G85.

Now, the lenses in question will be shooting in the f/4-5.6, which are great for daylight shooting. However, the cameras will struggle if you are shooting at dusk or dawn in lower light. You would have the 17mm and 45mm for low light shooting (but not at a distance). The 50-200mm SWD is one stop faster if you take off the TC.

As I mentioned, I have the original version of the 50-200mm, which has a sensible lens hood that fits nicely on the camera, and packs nicely. The lens hood on the 50-200mm SWD lens is much bigger, and it means it is harder to pack your gear in a backpack or suitcase where you are carrying a lot of gear.
the hood is really not that much bigger and I find it nice to have in inclement weather as it will keep the rain off the front element much better.
Note, the 50-200mm SWD is 995 g (2.2 lb/35.1 oz), the EC-14 is 170 g (6 oz), and the MMF-3 is 42g (1.6 oz) or 1,211g total (2.7 lb/42.7 oz). The 100-300mm mark II is 520g (1.2lb/18.3 oz). At the end of the day that 700g/1.5lb difference might be a factor if you are shooting freehand.

When I'm shooting subjects with little contrast (such as whale watching out in the ocean), I find the E-m1 mark I/50-200mm/EC-14 struggles getting focus. When I last went whale watching, I found myself switching to the 14-150mm mark II lens, and I was happier. Now, if there is plenty of contrast, it focuses fine. I got many great shots with that combo of surfers when I was on vacation in Hawaii.
 
Really not sure how you can say this..............just get some sunglasses that are not polarized. Pretty simple solution actually and it's what I have done.
It is great that it works for you. It DOES NOT WORK for me to wear non-polarized sunglasses. If I don't wear wrap around polarized sunglasses, it increases the chances that I will get migraines. Hence for it me, it was an issue.
In terms of Olympus cameras, the Olympus E-m10 mark II and Pen-F also have OLED viewfinders (I don't what the E-m10 mark I uses, but I assume it is the same VF that the E-m5 mark I used).

In addition, using those two Panasonic lenses (12-60mm and 100-300mm mark II), those lenses have stabilization built-in to the lens as well as the sensor based stabilization that the G85 has (the E-m1 only has sensor based stablization). I would think that since the G85 can work with both stabilization systems that it would give better results. The typical consensus appears to be that sensor shift stablization works better for more wide angle subjects, while lens based stabilization works better at the telephoto end of things
I personally don't believe that. My EM1 works fine and I can handhold stupid low shutter speeds with my Sigma 50-500 at 500mm without much of a problem.
I believe it is a matter of degree. But if it works for you, that's fine. As I said, I have no direct experience with the Panasonic DFD and lens based OIS (other than my compact cameras).
. I don't have a lens with stabilization that I shoot with (I do have the 12-60mm kit lens, but I haven't used it), so I can't say whether that is true from personal knowledge.

In theory, the DFD continuous focusing on the G85 helps with the two Panasonic lenses. Since I don't use continuous focusing and I don't shoot with a lens that works with the G85 DFD, I can't say whether it helps from personal experience. But others like it, so read their reviews.
All comparisons I have read show that Olympus's PDAF is superior to Panasonics DFD. Still waiting for some good test to come out between the EM1mk2 and GH5 with respect to CAF. Mirrorlessons in their review of the 100-400 concluded it performed better in CAF on the EM1 then the GX8 (which are the cameras they tested it on).
Fair enough, since I have never used it, I haven't looked into the comparisons.
One thing that the E-m1 wins out is you would get the HLD-7 grip, which would allow you to shoot twice as long without changing batteries, since you have 2 batteries.
You also fail to mention the deep buffer on the EM1 that will allow shooting action for longer periods of time.
Since I don't shoot RAW, and I generally tune the camera down to 3fps (so I have less pictures to discard during post processing), buffer size is typically never a problem for me. But if you are shooting machine gun style, then I can imagine the deeper buffer helps.
As I mentioned, I have the original version of the 50-200mm, which has a sensible lens hood that fits nicely on the camera, and packs nicely. The lens hood on the 50-200mm SWD lens is much bigger, and it means it is harder to pack your gear in a backpack or suitcase where you are carrying a lot of gear.
the hood is really not that much bigger and I find it nice to have in inclement weather as it will keep the rain off the front element much better.
For me it was an issue when I had a loaner 50-200mm SWD while my 50-200mm non-SWD was being fixed (it got dropped). I generally have the camera/lenses tightly packed in my shoulder bag, and the hood size was too large. I ended up clipping the hood to the shoulder strap.
 

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