Visible difference between US vs grey market 5d?

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Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
 
Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
give canon customer service a ring and quote the serial number they will tel you
 
I've bought six or so Canon DSLRs over the past ten years or so in the US. There has never been a mail in warranty card with any of these cameras. Yes, you do get a card which has the warranty terms on it, and there is an area for the dealer to fill out, but none of the various dealers I have bought from has ever filled it out. But there is nothing to send in. Thus, you might ask the seller about this......
 
Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
 
Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
There is no discernable difference between a grey market item and one originally sold through an authorized retailer. But the grey market item might have been sold with a third party battery and/or charger.

Buying a used item, there is absolutely no reason to care. There's no warranty anyway, and should the need arise Canon will service it at the same rates.

IMHO, YMMV

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Buy as cheap as you can and spend the savibgs on really great private insurance. Canon warranty = Lets find a way not to fix under warranty and charge the earth.
 
Yeah I have photographer insurance through TCP should the need arise, but I've heard rates go up fast when you make a claim
 
Got it, thanks to you and everyone that responded.

Reason I asked is the international versions of Sony A7rii bodies flash an NTSC/PAL warning and the US versions do not. Figured it'd be good to check if anything similar applied with Canons.
 
Thanks for asking - depends on how much you think we could get our price down. CPW is showing a $2999 street price so a group but would have to beat that - which could be very hard
 
Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
give canon customer service a ring and quote the serial number they will tel you
Actually Canon is unable to trace origin of camera sold according to serial numbers. Years ago when I bought grey-imported 5D III (my copy actually came with USA warranty card) I called Canon USA and Canon CPS, both of them told me firmly they cannot trace. They even told me theoretically Canon CPS in USA only service models sold in USA, but actually don't care for paid-based out-of-warranty service, and personally I never encountered once that Canon requires me to provide warranty card for in (only receipts) or out of warranty services (receipts are not required).

Personally my purchase preference is - refurbished, new grey-import, used
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There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
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Thanks for asking - depends on how much you think we could get our price down. CPW is showing a $2999 street price so a group but would have to beat that - which could be very hard
Months ago there was $2800 grey-imported 5D IV. But this $3000 CPW street price with USA warranty is very good. Personally I am waiting even sweeter deal (likely grey-import) till the holiday season as I don't really must need it and could wait. Hope there will be another $2500 Black Friday deal :-)
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Thanks for asking - depends on how much you think we could get our price down. CPW is showing a $2999 street price so a group but would have to beat that - which could be very hard
Months ago there was $2800 grey-imported 5D IV. But this $3000 CPW street price with USA warranty is very good. Personally I am waiting even sweeter deal (likely grey-import) till the holiday season as I don't really must need it and could wait. Hope there will be another $2500 Black Friday deal :-)
 
Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
give canon customer service a ring and quote the serial number they will tel you
Actually Canon is unable to trace origin of camera sold according to serial numbers. Years ago when I bought grey-imported 5D III (my copy actually came with USA warranty card) I called Canon USA and Canon CPS, both of them told me firmly they cannot trace. They even told me theoretically Canon CPS in USA only service models sold in USA, but actually don't care for paid-based out-of-warranty service, and personally I never encountered once that Canon requires me to provide warranty card for in (only receipts) or out of warranty services (receipts are not required).
All Canon Sales Organisations can trace the origin of goods according to serial numbers.

Even if the Sales Organisation has not recorded the number itself it can request Canon Inc. in Japan to confirm which country a particular serial number was shipped to.

Now whether Canon USA want to do this is a different matter and certainly requesting Canon Inc. for information such as this would not be done lightly. But it is done sometimes such as in the case of tracking which country grey shipments of cameras have originated from.
Personally my purchase preference is - refurbished, new grey-import, used
--
sungparkphotography.com
--
My 5D IS a MK1 classic
..........................................................................................................
There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
...........................................................................................................
You are joking ....i have a sony nex ...i think the designers was an anti photographer sadist ...the only way to make it more less enjoyable to use would be to superglue a drawing pin to the shutter button...pin up
...
--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
http://pwphotography.zenfolio.com
 
Just got off the phone with canon USA support, and they confirmed that the serial number has no grey market designation, and that for canon they are all made on the same assembly line - grey market for canon just means where the camera is intended to sell initially.

Thankfully the camera i got is essentially new, and I got it at a great price. Will make a fantastic all rounder complement to my 5ds-r. Thanks all
 
Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
give canon customer service a ring and quote the serial number they will tel you
Actually Canon is unable to trace origin of camera sold according to serial numbers. Years ago when I bought grey-imported 5D III (my copy actually came with USA warranty card) I called Canon USA and Canon CPS, both of them told me firmly they cannot trace. They even told me theoretically Canon CPS in USA only service models sold in USA, but actually don't care for paid-based out-of-warranty service, and personally I never encountered once that Canon requires me to provide warranty card for in (only receipts) or out of warranty services (receipts are not required).
All Canon Sales Organisations can trace the origin of goods according to serial numbers.
Where you got this info? When I talked to Canon USA and Canon CPS years ago, they both told me there was no database (that's the word I used) to record such sales for each market based on serial numbers after I further pressed.
Even if the Sales Organisation has not recorded the number itself it can request Canon Inc. in Japan to confirm which country a particular serial number was shipped to.

Now whether Canon USA want to do this is a different matter and certainly requesting Canon Inc. for information such as this would not be done lightly. But it is done sometimes such as in the case of tracking which country grey shipments of cameras have originated from.
Unless they changed in last 2~3 years. But why Canon or other manufacturers to do that for paid-basis out-of-warranty services? I don't see a reason without benefiting themselves.
Personally my purchase preference is - refurbished, new grey-import, used
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sungparkphotography.com
--
My 5D IS a MK1 classic
..........................................................................................................
There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
...........................................................................................................
You are joking ....i have a sony nex ...i think the designers was an anti photographer sadist ...the only way to make it more less enjoyable to use would be to superglue a drawing pin to the shutter button...pin up
...
--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
http://pwphotography.zenfolio.com
--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
http://pwphotography.zenfolio.com
 
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Just got off the phone with canon USA support, and they confirmed that the serial number has no grey market designation, and that for canon they are all made on the same assembly line - grey market for canon just means where the camera is intended to sell initially.
That is absolutely true but although you, or indeed most people, can not tell from the serial number whether the product is 'grey', Canon certainly can. Whether Canon choose to make use of that knowledge in the case of a warranty claim is another thing entirely.
Thankfully the camera i got is essentially new, and I got it at a great price. Will make a fantastic all rounder complement to my 5ds-r. Thanks all
Enjoy your camera.
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Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
give canon customer service a ring and quote the serial number they will tel you
Actually Canon is unable to trace origin of camera sold according to serial numbers. Years ago when I bought grey-imported 5D III (my copy actually came with USA warranty card) I called Canon USA and Canon CPS, both of them told me firmly they cannot trace. They even told me theoretically Canon CPS in USA only service models sold in USA, but actually don't care for paid-based out-of-warranty service, and personally I never encountered once that Canon requires me to provide warranty card for in (only receipts) or out of warranty services (receipts are not required).
All Canon Sales Organisations can trace the origin of goods according to serial numbers.
Where you got this info? When I talked to Canon USA and Canon CPS years ago, they both told me there was no database (that's the word I used) to record such sales for each market based on serial numbers after I further pressed.
They may have told you that but if they did I'm afraid it's not true. Where there may be some confusion is that not all Canon Distributors always record serial numbers for their shipments to individual dealers.
Even if the Sales Organisation has not recorded the number itself it can request Canon Inc. in Japan to confirm which country a particular serial number was shipped to.

Now whether Canon USA want to do this is a different matter and certainly requesting Canon Inc. for information such as this would not be done lightly. But it is done sometimes such as in the case of tracking which country grey shipments of cameras have originated from.
Unless they changed in last 2~3 years. But why Canon or other manufacturers to do that for paid-basis out-of-warranty services?
Canon USA may be not so interested in individual grey sales. For one thing they may well take the attitude that refusing service to a possibly innocent purchaser is not really worth the potential fallout.

However in the case of hundreds of items arriving in the country they would certainly be interested in knowing where they had been shipped from.
Personally my purchase preference is - refurbished, new grey-import, used
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sungparkphotography.com
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My 5D IS a MK1 classic
..........................................................................................................
There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
...........................................................................................................
You are joking ....i have a sony nex ...i think the designers was an anti photographer sadist ...the only way to make it more less enjoyable to use would be to superglue a drawing pin to the shutter button...pin up
...
--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
http://pwphotography.zenfolio.com
--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
http://pwphotography.zenfolio.com
 
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Hi all, picking up a used 5d mark iv for a good price over new, but the seller (who seems on the up and up) doesn't have the original warranty card as he sent it in already. As far as I know, there isn't a visible way to check if a 5d mark iv is us model versus grey market that I know of aside from that?
give canon customer service a ring and quote the serial number they will tel you
Actually Canon is unable to trace origin of camera sold according to serial numbers. Years ago when I bought grey-imported 5D III (my copy actually came with USA warranty card) I called Canon USA and Canon CPS, both of them told me firmly they cannot trace. They even told me theoretically Canon CPS in USA only service models sold in USA, but actually don't care for paid-based out-of-warranty service, and personally I never encountered once that Canon requires me to provide warranty card for in (only receipts) or out of warranty services (receipts are not required).
All Canon Sales Organisations can trace the origin of goods according to serial numbers.
Where you got this info? When I talked to Canon USA and Canon CPS years ago, they both told me there was no database (that's the word I used) to record such sales for each market based on serial numbers after I further pressed.
They may have told you that but if they did I'm afraid it's not true. Where they may be some confusion is that not all Canon Distributors always record serial numbers for their shipments to individual dealers.
Even if the Sales Organisation has not recorded the number itself it can request Canon Inc. in Japan to confirm which country a particular serial number was shipped to.

Now whether Canon USA want to do this is a different matter and certainly requesting Canon Inc. for information such as this would not be done lightly. But it is done sometimes such as in the case of tracking which country grey shipments of cameras have originated from.
Unless they changed in last 2~3 years. But why Canon or other manufacturers to do that for paid-basis out-of-warranty services?
Canon USA may be not so interested in individual grey sales. For one thing they may well take the attitude that refusing service to a possibly innocent purchaser is not really worth the potential fallout.

However in the case of hundreds of items arriving in the country they would certainly be interested in knowing where they had been shipped from.
I guess the assertion is just your speculation. Technically Canon or any vendors could enforce services based on origin of cameras sales. But since Canon didn't do that (at least true 3 years ago when I called Canon USA and Canon CPS, they both told me firmly they technically didn't know if it's grey imported or not based on serial numbers because they didn't record such info, and there was no difference in camera look or in menu system, at least to 5D III.

I bought grey-imported A7r II recently. And there is a technical difference could tell if it's USA or imported because of unique USA video NTSC format while other parts of world use PAL. So a message will popup everytime I power on the camera said this camera changed to NTSC video but it can be suppressed if installed a third-party plug-in, or just half-press shutter it will go away. But after one year standard warranty (first year covered by the seller on grey-imported), Sony contracted service provider 'Precision Camera' doesn't care on paid-basis service. When I sell in eBay years later, I guess nobody actually will care if originally was USA version or not, and certainly will not be $600 difference in selling price (to reflect on the difference between $2200 grey-import deal and B&H price then, now another $100 off).
Personally my purchase preference is - refurbished, new grey-import, used
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sungparkphotography.com
--
My 5D IS a MK1 classic
..........................................................................................................
There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
...........................................................................................................
You are joking ....i have a sony nex ...i think the designers was an anti photographer sadist ...the only way to make it more less enjoyable to use would be to superglue a drawing pin to the shutter button...pin up
...
--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
http://pwphotography.zenfolio.com
--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
http://pwphotography.zenfolio.com
--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
http://pwphotography.zenfolio.com
 
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