What is this waxy look people are talking about?

 
It has more to do with any of the 16mp X-trans 2 cameras. Not x-trans 1 and 3. If you use the search engine you'll find enough threads about it to have to clear your schedule for the next week.

Basically it was over-aggressive noise reduction on the jpegs specifically, once you started to go higher in iso and with no option of switching it off. It did not affect Raw files.

The xt20 is x-trans 3 I believe so it shouldn't have that problem.
 
It has more to do with any of the 16mp X-trans 2 cameras. Not x-trans 1 and 3. If you use the search engine you'll find enough threads about it to have to clear your schedule for the next week.

Basically it was over-aggressive noise reduction on the jpegs specifically, once you started to go higher in iso and with no option of switching it off. It did not affect Raw files.

The xt20 is x-trans 3 I believe so it shouldn't have that problem.
 
It has more to do with any of the 16mp X-trans 2 cameras. Not x-trans 1 and 3. If you use the search engine you'll find enough threads about it to have to clear your schedule for the next week.

Basically it was over-aggressive noise reduction on the jpegs specifically, once you started to go higher in iso and with no option of switching it off. It did not affect Raw files.

The xt20 is x-trans 3 I believe so it shouldn't have that problem.
 
Here is a cropped grab at 100% of Rockwell's kid. I see no "waxy-ness"

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Here is a cropped grab at 100% of Rockwell's kid. I see no "waxy-ness"

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As I said before, for me it's the overall look and that overall look to me is not as natural as I was used to with my Olympus E-3 for example. To me it looks just a bit waxy. But I also know people who told me they prefered this look, because it doesn't show skin flaws as much. I will do my best to find some examples of both, but if you don't see it as I do, that's just fine. I just wanted to help the OP out with an example of what I see as waxy skin (although it's quite subtle at low iso settings).

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Don't misunderstand me, I've seen that waxy look in Fuji images. I posted this because I don't think this is an example of it. The fine hairs, the discolored pores, betrays the over NR theory as it pertains to this image. IMO of course.
 
As a potential X-T2 or X-T20 buyer seeing this come up brought more curiosity. Pics of youthful types often skew my perceptions of skin smoothness. Their pores and lack of life/scars are almost ideal. Often I see that these lighter tones get blown to some extent by jpeg files, they seem very smooth. The Fuji term waxiness I could grasp. If using the film emulation this may also alter the contrast on such tones.

Would like to see more though maybe with males who often these days have that unshaved look then we get an idea of contrasting facial hair on skin.
 
Hi

I just got the xt20 and see a lot of reports on the forum and elsewhere about waxy jpeg.

Question - what does that look like? Is it Iso sensitive and does it appear in raw? Basically not sure what the fuss is about. Thanks
Well, it now 13 hours since the OP posted the question - strange no-one has yet provided a convincing sample despite all the fuss about this subject.
 
Weird side note - I wonder how many times that poor kid's face has been overanalysed by complete strangers on the internet..
 
As a potential X-T2 or X-T20 buyer seeing this come up brought more curiosity. Pics of youthful types often skew my perceptions of skin smoothness. Their pores and lack of life/scars are almost ideal. Often I see that these lighter tones get blown to some extent by jpeg files, they seem very smooth. The Fuji term waxiness I could grasp. If using the film emulation this may also alter the contrast on such tones.

Would like to see more though maybe with males who often these days have that unshaved look then we get an idea of contrasting facial hair on skin.
 
Hi

I just got the xt20 and see a lot of reports on the forum and elsewhere about waxy jpeg.

Question - what does that look like? Is it Iso sensitive and does it appear in raw? Basically not sure what the fuss is about. Thanks
Well, it now 13 hours since the OP posted the question - strange no-one has yet provided a convincing sample despite all the fuss about this subject.
You mean not convincing for you, I presume.
 
Weird side note - I wonder how many times that poor kid's face has been overanalysed by complete strangers on the internet..
Haha, my bad! ;-)
 
Hi

I just got the xt20 and see a lot of reports on the forum and elsewhere about waxy jpeg.

Question - what does that look like? Is it Iso sensitive and does it appear in raw? Basically not sure what the fuss is about. Thanks
Well, it now 13 hours since the OP posted the question - strange no-one has yet provided a convincing sample despite all the fuss about this subject.
You mean not convincing for you, I presume.

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Nope - I meant convincing to the OP and other interested posters in this thread.....
 
Hi

I just got the xt20 and see a lot of reports on the forum and elsewhere about waxy jpeg.

Question - what does that look like? Is it Iso sensitive and does it appear in raw? Basically not sure what the fuss is about. Thanks
Well, it now 13 hours since the OP posted the question - strange no-one has yet provided a convincing sample despite all the fuss about this subject.
You mean not convincing for you, I presume.

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Nope - I meant convincing to the OP and other interested posters in this thread.....
All good!
 
There is waxyness in X-T1 jpeg files when ISO is 3200 and higher. One example of 100% crop from OOC jpeg at ISO6400, NR-2, sharpening 0. It's quite bad and I tend to not shoot people above ISO 2500 (where waxyness is not yet there).

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This is a good example of why people were asking for examples because seeing the same image people see different things. What I see is an image of a young person with a smooth complexion, nothing waxy at all. You clearly perceive it differently.
I agree. I saw nothing there but a good photo and a kid with smooth skin!
You know, if you don't see it in this shot, you will be just fine and shouldn't have any worries for your portrait photography. Just keep noise reduction at -2 and use as low an iso as you can. I notice not a lot of people percieve the issue like I do.

And for the record, I love my Fuji's and have no problem leaving my Nikon kit at home on travels and such. Just for professional portrait work, I prefer my Nikon, as I percieve that to give a more natural look that I like more.
 
Hi

I just got the xt20 and see a lot of reports on the forum and elsewhere about waxy jpeg.

Question - what does that look like? Is it Iso sensitive and does it appear in raw? Basically not sure what the fuss is about. Thanks
Couple of samples from DPR's X-E2 review

SOOC Jpeg ISO 6400:

https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2486086047/samples/HighISO/DSCF4735.jpeg

Raw conversion:

https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2486086047/samples/HighISO/DSCF4689.acr.jpeg
 
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Hi

I just got the xt20 and see a lot of reports on the forum and elsewhere about waxy jpeg.

Question - what does that look like? Is it Iso sensitive and does it appear in raw? Basically not sure what the fuss is about. Thanks
Couple of samples from DPR's X-E2 review

SOOC Jpeg ISO 6400:

https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2486086047/samples/HighISO/DSCF4735.jpeg

Raw conversion:

https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2486086047/samples/HighISO/DSCF4689.acr.jpeg
That does look odd. But haven't seen that with the xt20. Shooting up to Iso 6400, untouched sharpness, noise reduction to - 4
 

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