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I’ve spend many hours researching ‘suitable’ equipment and ‘technology’ for outdoor portrait photography and am still unsure which would be the best option to go for equipment wise. My budget is around the £1,000 mark, though of course happy to bring the cost down. I’m shooting with a Nikon D750. I am learning on the job at the moment and so I have likely made certain incorrect assumptions, please bear with me, I am certainly no expert.

The kit I’m looking at basically consists of a flash, a softbox/beauty-dish (my personal preference being an umbrella style octabox or similar) and a radio trigger to allow for flexibility when line-of-sight may be an issue.

My criteria are:
  1. i-TTL and manual control of multiple off-camera flash units directly from the transmitter
  2. Quick and easy setup
  3. High-Speed Sync or equivalent
Flash
I’ve narrowed this down to either the Nikon SB-700 or the Godox Witstro AD200. I appreciate there is a big power difference between the two, the SB-700 has a guide number of around 28, versus the Godox of 52 and whilst I realise there is no easy method to convert a guide number into watt seconds because they are measuring two different things, my assumption is that that the SB-700 is around the 80w to 100w equivalent (but could be totally wrong). So the Godox appeals because it is more powerful for around the same price.

The Godox AD200 will only work with the Godox X1N transmitter but I’ve read mixed reviews about the reliability of the X1N unit. It also lacks a zoom on the Fresnel head, though unsure how important this is when using a softbox.

Softbox/Beauty dish
The choice of flash potentially influences my choice of softbox/beauty dish. Again, I realise there are a myriad of soft box options available, however, I’m looking for the convenience of a foldable umbrella style octagon (or similar) and the flexibility of adding a beauty dish in the softbox. The Westcott Rapidbox 26”, despite being very overpriced, seems to get rave reviews from everyone and what I particularly like about it is the option to add a beauty dish and a 40 degree grid, which is also completely overpriced, but I’m not ruling it out as it would still fit within my budget.

The downside of the Westcott Rapidbox 26” is that I couldn’t mount the Godox AD200 in it so I would need the Rapidbox XL 36” (or equivalent) as this has an S-Type fitting built in but is more expensive.

Radio Trigger
I’ve read so many articles about radio triggers, the pro’s and con’s etc., and the different technologies used, i.e., High-Speed Sync, Hypersync and Hi-sync. To me it sounds as though Hypersync and Hi-sync are potentially better options when it comes to conserving power but are more difficult to get right and I also assume that only Elinchrom make a hi-sync transmitter and that their transmitter only works with their own lights because the receiver is built into their lights in the same way that the Profoto Air TTL-N only works with the Profoto lights?

If I opted for the Godox AD200 then I believe my only option is the Godox X1N transmitter, although I did read on one forum that it would be possible to use a Pocket Wizard with the Godox (but I’m assuming that is not actually the case).

I could obviously use the Pocket Wizard Mini TT1 with the Flex T5 or a pair of Flex T5’s in conjunction with the Nikon SB-700 or any of the other transmitters/receivers/transceivers out there, though again there seem to be pros and cons to each.

Overall there doesn’t appear to be a ‘perfect’ combination, at least in my mind, but I’d be interested to hear from people as to their thoughts and any alternative options/combinations that would provide the best setup and which meet both my criteria and budget. I’m a big believer in you pay for what you get, within reason, and see little point in buying cheap/knock-off gear if I only end up having to replace it a few months down the line. I also realise ‘choice’ is personal and that there will be many differing opinions, but that’s fine.
 
I highly recommend the ad200. Paired with the westcott 36" rapid box octa, it makes an extremely versatile setup that produces great light both outdoors and indoors.

One of my favorite setups is the rapid box with just the inner diffusion panel plus reflector dish. It produces a wonderfully soft yet still punchy light. It's not cheap, but they are built very well. I've flown with the 36 and 48 rapid box dozens of times in a checked semi-rigid bag and they are no worse for the wear.

I also have the 26" octa and 24" Joel grimes beauty dish. There is a way to mount the ad200 in the 26" octa with a hotshoe adapter, but honestly if I were making my first soft investments I'd get the 36" octa first and then decide if you need a smaller collapsible beauty dish for what your shoot.
 
I’ve spend many hours researching ‘suitable’ equipment and ‘technology’ for outdoor portrait photography and am still unsure which would be the best option to go for equipment wise. My budget is around the £1,000 mark, though of course happy to bring the cost down. I’m shooting with a Nikon D750. I am learning on the job at the moment and so I have likely made certain incorrect assumptions, please bear with me, I am certainly no expert.

The kit I’m looking at basically consists of a flash, a softbox/beauty-dish (my personal preference being an umbrella style octabox or similar) and a radio trigger to allow for flexibility when line-of-sight may be an issue.

My criteria are:
  1. i-TTL and manual control of multiple off-camera flash units directly from the transmitter
  2. Quick and easy setup
  3. High-Speed Sync or equivalent
Flash
I’ve narrowed this down to either the Nikon SB-700 or the Godox Witstro AD200. I appreciate there is a big power difference between the two, the SB-700 has a guide number of around 28, versus the Godox of 52 and whilst I realise there is no easy method to convert a guide number into watt seconds because they are measuring two different things, my assumption is that that the SB-700 is around the 80w to 100w equivalent (but could be totally wrong). So the Godox appeals because it is more powerful for around the same price.

The Godox AD200 will only work with the Godox X1N transmitter but I’ve read mixed reviews about the reliability of the X1N unit. It also lacks a zoom on the Fresnel head, though unsure how important this is when using a softbox.

Softbox/Beauty dish
The choice of flash potentially influences my choice of softbox/beauty dish. Again, I realise there are a myriad of soft box options available, however, I’m looking for the convenience of a foldable umbrella style octagon (or similar) and the flexibility of adding a beauty dish in the softbox. The Westcott Rapidbox 26”, despite being very overpriced, seems to get rave reviews from everyone and what I particularly like about it is the option to add a beauty dish and a 40 degree grid, which is also completely overpriced, but I’m not ruling it out as it would still fit within my budget.

The downside of the Westcott Rapidbox 26” is that I couldn’t mount the Godox AD200 in it so I would need the Rapidbox XL 36” (or equivalent) as this has an S-Type fitting built in but is more expensive.

Radio Trigger
I’ve read so many articles about radio triggers, the pro’s and con’s etc., and the different technologies used, i.e., High-Speed Sync, Hypersync and Hi-sync. To me it sounds as though Hypersync and Hi-sync are potentially better options when it comes to conserving power but are more difficult to get right and I also assume that only Elinchrom make a hi-sync transmitter and that their transmitter only works with their own lights because the receiver is built into their lights in the same way that the Profoto Air TTL-N only works with the Profoto lights?

If I opted for the Godox AD200 then I believe my only option is the Godox X1N transmitter, although I did read on one forum that it would be possible to use a Pocket Wizard with the Godox (but I’m assuming that is not actually the case).

I could obviously use the Pocket Wizard Mini TT1 with the Flex T5 or a pair of Flex T5’s in conjunction with the Nikon SB-700 or any of the other transmitters/receivers/transceivers out there, though again there seem to be pros and cons to each.

Overall there doesn’t appear to be a ‘perfect’ combination, at least in my mind, but I’d be interested to hear from people as to their thoughts and any alternative options/combinations that would provide the best setup and which meet both my criteria and budget. I’m a big believer in you pay for what you get, within reason, and see little point in buying cheap/knock-off gear if I only end up having to replace it a few months down the line. I also realise ‘choice’ is personal and that there will be many differing opinions, but that’s fine.
I am curious as to why high speed sync is important. Do you want high speed sync to stop motion or are you possibly trying to beat the sun? Beating the sun will require much more power if you are planning to use a softbox. If I were limited to one of those small strobes, I would get a quality set of ND filters and shoot at the flash sync speed of your camera. You will get a lot more light.
 
The AD200 is a very nice unit. I have never used the Fresnel head on it, I have always had the bare bulb and a modifier on it. I have also never had an issue with the X1 transmitter however I have only used manual mode on it.

I have the Westcott Rapid Box Octa XL, Beauty Dish and Strip XL. While they are more expensive then most the quality is second to none, I feel they will last a considerable amount of time. The light quality out of them is great too.
 
Since you are just getting into this new area of photography there is a lot to be said for buying quality lights but saving money by buying good but not quite professional diffusers.

If you are going with a Nikon flash then go with the best they offer. There will be times when just a little extra flash power is a big help.

If you put a hot-shoe flash and a strobe in the same diffuser the hot-shoe flash will be roughly equivalent to a strobe of about the same number of Ws as the GN of the flash. A GN 52 flash would be very roughly equivalent to a strobe of 50Ws when used in the same diffuser.

The fresnel lens of a hot-shoe flash concentrates the light from the flash on the subject unlike the bare bulb of a strobe, which is why you can use only a hot-shoe flash for a lot of outdoor photography, even in bright light.

Sekonic - Joe Brady - Control the Light and Improve Your Photography: Part 2 — Better Environmental Portraiture

Sekonic - Joe Brady - Blending Flash & Ambient Light for Beautiful Outdoor Portraits

Sekonic - Joe Brady - Key Lime Pie - Flash at the Beach

I do my best to shoot my subjects in open shade when shooting outdoors. The major source of light is the overhead open sky, the flash is only strong enough to add highlights and shadows. My GN 60 hot-shoe flash is diffused with a 43" white umbrella. I rarely exceed 1/2 power with the umbrella 6' from the subject at ISO 100.

I would tend to go with the Godox AD360 instead of the AD200 for both outdoors and in a studio. The extra 2/3 stops of power would be important indoors. Use a Godox S-Type Bracket and whatever softbox you want.

Amazon.com - Godox S-type Bracket Bowens Mount Holder for Speedlite Flash Snoot Softbox Honeycomb : Camera & Photo

The Godox 32" octabox with grid is hard to beat for the price. It would be a good way to start then once you make enough money you could move up to higher quality equipment.

Amazon.com - Godox Portable 80cm / 32" Only Grid Umbrella Photo Softbox Reflector for Flash Speedlight Only Grid : Camera & Photo

In the studio I would look seriously at the Godox 120cm octabox.

Amazon.com - Godox Photo Studio Octagon Umbrella Softbox 120cm with Bowens Mount for speedlite : Camera & Photo
 
Hi Sailor Blue,

Many thanks for your feedback, advice and all the links... I think the only thing that slightly put me off the Godox 32" softbox was the flash being inside the unit (if I want to make manual adjustments to the flash) and the lack of a beauty dish... having the flash externally, plus the addition of an 'optional' beauty dish all in one appeals, but obviously there is a huge difference in price to consider and I have to decide whether the extra investment is worth it at this stage, more so as I'm just starting out, so all good advice...

I'm going to view the clips you sent links for, there is always more to learn, thanks again for your input...
 
Hi sr1racha,

Many thanks for your feedback, your thinking seems to fit in with mine really well and that has given me confidence that my thought process is not too far off the mark...
 
Hi Boomanbb,

The main reason I'm interested in HSS is because I want the ability to shoot using flash outside with the aperture wide open which HSS would allow me to do from my understanding of how it works and having viewed many many videos of people using the technique on YouTube, even when using speedlights...

I'm still very much on a learning curve, so happy for your views if you don't feel the setup I'm thinking about would do the job effectively.

Many thanks
 
Hi Hosko,

Thanks for your feedback... pretty much every review I've read about the Westcott Rapidboxes say the same thing, excellent quality, excellent light, just a little on the expensive side, but I guess you pay for quality and I'd rather buy something that is going to last than something that will fall apart after a few months...

I think this is the right route to go down... Glad to hear you've had no problems with the X1, that is encouraging to hear, thank you.
 
Hi Sailor Blue,

Many thanks for your feedback, advice and all the links... I think the only thing that slightly put me off the Godox 32" softbox was the flash being inside the unit (if I want to make manual adjustments to the flash) and the lack of a beauty dish... having the flash externally, plus the addition of an 'optional' beauty dish all in one appeals, but obviously there is a huge difference in price to consider and I have to decide whether the extra investment is worth it at this stage, more so as I'm just starting out, so all good advice...

I'm going to view the clips you sent links for, there is always more to learn, thanks again for your input...
Almost any quality TTL/HSS flash you buy today will have the option of using a RF controller/trigger. Not buying the RF controller/trigger isn't really an option since it makes setting the power of the off-camera flash units so easy.

With the RF controller/trigger whether the flash is mounted outside or inside the softbox won't make much difference.

By mounting the flash inside the softbox and bouncing the light off the back of the softbox you get double diffusion for even lighting.

If the light is mounted at the back of the softbox you need to have an inner diffuser panel of fabric or a reflector like those in a beauty dish.

A beauty dish is a special item and an umbrella octabox without the front diffuser is NOT a beauty dish. The best way to get beauty dish images is to use a real beauty dish. It takes a special umbrella like the Westcott hexadecabox beauty dish to duplicate what you get from a real beauty dish. This one would work with the Godox S-Type Mount.

B&H - Westcott Rapid Box Beauty Dish (24", for Bowens)
 
Hi Boomanbb,

The main reason I'm interested in HSS is because I want the ability to shoot using flash outside with the aperture wide open which HSS would allow me to do from my understanding of how it works and having viewed many many videos of people using the technique on YouTube, even when using speedlights...

I'm still very much on a learning curve, so happy for your views if you don't feel the setup I'm thinking about would do the job effectively.

Many thanks
Your correct but what look are you going for? Are you using flash for fill or a ambient light look or are you trying to bring the backgrounds in? HSS will lower your output so you will need to get it close to your subject but if your not doing full body then should be fine... if the opposite it true then you will need more power. FYI you can shoot with more power and still shoot open with filters...
 
200Ws can disappear quick when outdoors, especially when operating in HSS mode.

Instead of the AD200, which is a very tempting unit size-wise, I'd go with an AD360IIN & Ezybox combo, minimum. As Sailor Moon said in a way, power counts. The Ezybox (or clones, some Bowens mounts clones are excellent using their supplied bracket, go for the better S-type style) are good performers and very convenient to use. And the price difference, from the AD200 to the AD360, isn't very much. Note the real power output of the AD360 is more like 310Ws or so, but still a nice jump up.

But why stop there? Your budget is large enough, *if you are serious in this endeavor*, to get a 600Ws AD600N. If you are serious about outdoor flash photography the 600Ws is starting to gett into cat's meow area, the ability to do so much more.
 
I shoot a lot outdoors. I use minimum 600ws strobes or greater. Sometimes up to 6 strobes.

Id suggest getting one 500ws or greater strobe. Learn to use one light source. Add more only after you master one light. Get a meter.

IMO -- I do not use TTL. My reason is I need perfect consistent exposures. TTL never does this. If your requirements aren't real high, TTL is OK. I've used TTL, but avoid it like the plague it is.
 
I've found the AD200 and AD360 meters almost identically with bare bulb + modifier. Also the AD360's overheat protection kicks in a lot sooner when you're using HSS.

Was doing some HSS light testing for a dance shoot in central park coming up this weekend and I was only getting about 6 pops in HSS mode with the AD360 before overheat protection kicks in (HSS being a great way to freeze mid-air jumps in mixed ambient and strobe exposures, as I need to keep my SS to at least 1/1000 if not higher). It takes around 10 seconds for overheat protection to shut off, or you can just turn the power on and off to reset it, but it's really annoying. Interestingly, I found that using the PB960 with the tt685s, you can get full power pops in HSS with only a 2-3 second recycle time, with a less aggressive overheat protection limit.

I like my AD600, but I think it'd be overkill if you're starting to learn and do a lot of location work. It's also a lot to schlep around when you're shooting outside. I just wish the trigger enabled us to turn strobes on and off from it.
 
I've found the AD200 and AD360 meters almost identically with bare bulb + modifier. Also the AD360's overheat protection kicks in a lot sooner when you're using HSS.
It shouldn't, other tests show a 2/3 or so stop difference IRL use, like


Et al
I like my AD600, but I think it'd be overkill if you're starting to learn and do a lot of location work. It's also a lot to schlep around when you're shooting outside. I just wish the trigger enabled us to turn strobes on and off from it.
You should be able to. Does yours have a problem with this?
 
Yeah I've seen those, have just done quick tests with mine because I was curious with a standard 7" reflector, mounted on a standard s-type bracket, using a sekonic l358. I'm not saying those other published tests are wrong, I just cared about how it metered with a real subject.

Re turning strobes on and off with the X1T, would love to know how. Didn't see it in the manual
 
Yeah I've seen those, have just done quick tests with mine because I was curious with a standard 7" reflector, mounted on a standard s-type bracket, using a sekonic l358. I'm not saying those other published tests are wrong, I just cared about how it metered with a real subject.

Re turning strobes on and off with the X1T, would love to know how. Didn't see it in the manual
Hit the GR, select the flash group, then hit MODE. As per


Also, check out

 
I’ve spend many hours researching ‘suitable’ equipment and ‘technology’ for outdoor portrait photography and am still unsure which would be the best option to go for equipment wise. My budget is around the £1,000 mark, though of course happy to bring the cost down. I’m shooting with a Nikon D750. I am learning on the job at the moment and so I have likely made certain incorrect assumptions, please bear with me, I am certainly no expert.

The kit I’m looking at basically consists of a flash, a softbox/beauty-dish (my personal preference being an umbrella style octabox or similar) and a radio trigger to allow for flexibility when line-of-sight may be an issue.

My criteria are:
  1. i-TTL and manual control of multiple off-camera flash units directly from the transmitter
  2. Quick and easy setup
  3. High-Speed Sync or equivalent
Flash
I’ve narrowed this down to either the Nikon SB-700 or the Godox Witstro AD200. I appreciate there is a big power difference between the two, the SB-700 has a guide number of around 28, versus the Godox of 52 and whilst I realise there is no easy method to convert a guide number into watt seconds because they are measuring two different things, my assumption is that that the SB-700 is around the 80w to 100w equivalent (but could be totally wrong). So the Godox appeals because it is more powerful for around the same price.

The Godox AD200 will only work with the Godox X1N transmitter but I’ve read mixed reviews about the reliability of the X1N unit. It also lacks a zoom on the Fresnel head, though unsure how important this is when using a softbox.

Softbox/Beauty dish
The choice of flash potentially influences my choice of softbox/beauty dish. Again, I realise there are a myriad of soft box options available, however, I’m looking for the convenience of a foldable umbrella style octagon (or similar) and the flexibility of adding a beauty dish in the softbox. The Westcott Rapidbox 26”, despite being very overpriced, seems to get rave reviews from everyone and what I particularly like about it is the option to add a beauty dish and a 40 degree grid, which is also completely overpriced, but I’m not ruling it out as it would still fit within my budget.
If you are shooting outdoors, skip anything that makes your flash into a sail.

If I want to widen/soften the flash, I put a Sto-fen on it

The downside of the Westcott Rapidbox 26” is that I couldn’t mount the Godox AD200 in it so I would need the Rapidbox XL 36” (or equivalent) as this has an S-Type fitting built in but is more expensive.

Radio Trigger
I’ve read so many articles about radio triggers, the pro’s and con’s etc., and the different technologies used, i.e., High-Speed Sync, Hypersync and Hi-sync. To me it sounds as though Hypersync and Hi-sync are potentially better options when it comes to conserving power but are more difficult to get right and I also assume that only Elinchrom make a hi-sync transmitter and that their transmitter only works with their own lights because the receiver is built into their lights in the same way that the Profoto Air TTL-N only works with the Profoto lights?

If I opted for the Godox AD200 then I believe my only option is the Godox X1N transmitter, although I did read on one forum that it would be possible to use a Pocket Wizard with the Godox (but I’m assuming that is not actually the case).

I could obviously use the Pocket Wizard Mini TT1 with the Flex T5 or a pair of Flex T5’s in conjunction with the Nikon SB-700 or any of the other transmitters/receivers/transceivers out there, though again there seem to be pros and cons to each.

Overall there doesn’t appear to be a ‘perfect’ combination, at least in my mind, but I’d be interested to hear from people as to their thoughts and any alternative options/combinations that would provide the best setup and which meet both my criteria and budget. I’m a big believer in you pay for what you get, within reason, and see little point in buying cheap/knock-off gear if I only end up having to replace it a few months down the line. I also realise ‘choice’ is personal and that there will be many differing opinions, but that’s fine.
 

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