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Keep us updated of your work! I would be really interested in seeing the final result. :)

Take care,

Lee
David A. Melges said:
No question that PS is still the most complete, but the gang at
JASC gets the award from me for most creative. They did several
important things before PS did...and they did it on a measely
fraction of the budget.

For me personally, it comes down to which one I think most like,
and thats hands down PSP.

Lynn, you're right about the lack of books on PSP...and those
available are definitely for the beginner. I'm looking forward to
the new book as well.

Its funny, but over the years I've introduced dozens of PS users to
PSP and a very high percentage jumped ship. I honestly,
personally, only know of one PSP user that went over to PS!

I'm not down on PS, its great, but PSP is my one and only all time
gotta have app!

dave
Lynn Towns said:
Jose Noway said:
Lynn Towns said:
David A Melges said:
I think Adobe is existing on its reputation and market lead instead of a genuinely superior product.
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Um, that really wouldn't be true.

Nancy
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Hi Nancy,

I accept your opinion.

I'm not trying to start any arguements here. This is simply the
opinion I have developed in the last few months while researching
what photo editor to buy. Price was only one of the considerations.
I am not qualified to argue the point, because I haven't actually
used PS to form my own conclusions. However, I doubt if most
Photoshop 7 users have tried PSP8, either.

I formed this opinion based mostly on comments from some respected
STF contributors.

Lynn
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I've got an associate with two new Macs, I'm going to go sit on one for an afternoon first chance I get!

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¥akuza said:
With the release of Photoshop 8, basically every major X app is cocoa.

If you haven't spent a lot of time with X, I recommend you go to
the nearest Apple store (or pro photographer's house), and try it
out.

-¥akuza
David A. Melges said:
....didn't they just write the new Quark in Cocoa also? I really
don't know much about software at that depth, but in the back of my
mind I think I remember hearing that.

dave
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I'm using Photoshop Elements...got it at Walmart for less than $60. I am amazed at what you can do with it for that price.

I had used Photoshop 6. The only thing I miss are the color sliders. I wish there was a way to include this in Elements. Variations are ok, but I do prefer to "slide" my color to my liking. However the $ difference makes up for that.
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Jose Noway said:
Lynn, I appreciate the time you've taken to do the research you
needed to do in order to find the program which best suits your
needs. PSP is a pretty powerful program and there are bucket-loads
of people who use it. I even had early versions (started with
whichever version was out late '93) of it on my own computer, for
years.

I was just objecting to your sweeping statement about how Adobe
(assuming you meant Adobe's Photoshop) is "existing on its
reputation and market lead instead of a genuinely superior
product." Photoshop is a genuinely superior product. That doesn't
mean that others aren't good at what they do. It just means that
Photoshop is great at what it does.

Nancy
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Hi again Nancy,

You're correct that even though PSP8 suits my needs, that doesn't mean it would suit everyone's needs. I was upgrading from Adobe Photo Deluxe 3, so everything on the market was a big jump for me. So far, I am comfortable with my decision, but I do regret the dearth of good books on advanced PSP8 usage.

I agree that Photoshop 7 has more capabilities than PSP8, but it is difficult to determine what most of them are. PSP8 does just about everything I see people doing in Photoshop. Also, many people find that PSP8 is easier to use.

I also agree that my "sweeping statement" was too strong. My perception is that PSP8's capabilities are equal to or superior than Photoshop Elements 2, and not too far behind Photoshop 7. Adobe Photoshop clearly got to be the market leader for a reason, but I sense that PSP is gaining ground. Perhaps Photoshop 8 will change my opinion, and make me regret my choice.

I guess I was rooting for what I percieve as the underdog of photo editors.

Isn't it great that we have choices?

Lynn
 
zazoo1994 said:
Seems interesting...

http://www.course.com/catalog/product.cfm?category=Multimedia&subcategory=Paint%20Shop%20Pro&isbn=1-929685-38-6
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Thanks, I wasn't aware of this one. I'll look at it when it comes out, but I'm doubtful that I'll like it.

Lori Davis also wrote one of the weak books that I referred to titled "Paint Shop Pro 8 Solutions". The book was obviously not written for photo editing. It hardly talks about photos, except for cropping, resizing, and the most basic editing. The book deals primarily with creative painting and text capabilities, and I didn't buy it.

One reviewer on Amazon.com said that this book was apparently an attempt to be the first PSP8 book published after JASC's release of PSP8, and it shows. This reviewer rated it one star (out of five), and I agree.
 
Good question Bob! I would like to know too.

The other question I have is: Is Raw in one camera the same as Raw in another???

D.
Bob Fornefeld 2 said:
DeeDee G. said:
And Which Version? 4, 5, 6, or 7? or other?? Just Curious

TIA
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Photoshop 7, and somewhere in the middle of this rather steep
learning curve. It is true that to use RAW in Photoshop you have
to buy a plug-in for about $99.00? Or will the next version have
this included?

Bob Fornefeld
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BigAppa said:
I'm using Photoshop Elements...got it at Walmart for less than $60.
I am amazed at what you can do with it for that price.
I had used Photoshop 6. The only thing I miss are the color
sliders. I wish there was a way to include this in Elements.
Variations are ok, but I do prefer to "slide" my color to my
liking. However the $ difference makes up for that.
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I use Elements 2, there is a way to use the colour balance sliders I think that is what you are refering to.

to have this in Elements you need to buy a book called Hidden Elements by Richard Lynch.

You receive a CD with the book, load it in as per the instructions and you then have a heap of stuff extra.
Go to Amazone. com to read about it.
all the best
Ralph.
 
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Jose Noway said:
... I would love to get my hands on PSE for a day or two to
play around with it, because from what I've been reading it sounds
like it could do the same kind of output for a fraction of the cost.
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I get the impression that more than a few people are using both PS and PSE, the latter apparently having a few quickie utilities that are good for everyday stuff. If you're on broadband the trial version (111 MB Win, 188 MB Mac !) should give you some answers. I think it's full-featured but with a 30-day life:
http://www.adobe.com/products/tryadobe/main.jhtml#product=40

Here's Adobe's summary of differences (from the Elements FAQ):

Though the typical Photoshop Elements user will find that their product gives them all of the creative freedom and flexibility they need, there are actually a wealth of advanced features that are found only in the professional version of Photoshop. Some of the top reasons why a professional user will choose Adobe
Photoshop include:
· Image Editing standard in the creative community
· Advanced Web features (slicing, rollovers, etc.)
· Professional-level printing (CMYK separations)
· Healing Brush and Patch Tool for seamless retouching
· Channel editing
· Improved precision
· More flexible/powerful masking
· Automation
· Optimized for professional workflow

I'm fairly sure that PSE will output EPS in the same way as the full version.

Mike
 
DeeDee G. said:
Is Raw in one camera the same as Raw
in another???
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No, that's one of the unwieldy aspects. It's essentially a proprietary implementation of a general concept, with each camera manufacturer doing its own thing in this regard.

There's been some confusion over acquisition and cost of RAW converters -- both in OEM (camera) software and as PS Plug-Ins. My CP5700 comes with its own converter, naturally enough, and the Plug-In for PS is available at no cost. But to exploit it fully I gather that you need the quite expensive additional Nikon Capture software, which I won't buy on principle as I reject the notion that it shouldn't reasonably be included in the still hefty price of the higher end cameras. It's anyone's guess as to how Sony will be addressing this with the F828, i.e. whether a PS option will be made available in addition to the standalone converter.

Mike
 
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