Best bargain second-hand backup body?

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I just shipped my trusty D800 to Nikon to have a wonky aperture control unit replaced... and I have no backup body! What am I to do for the next 7–10 days? (Hopefully not longer!?!)

In case this happens again, I should get a backup body. Being impecunious, I want to pick up a cheap one second-hand, preferably for under $400.

Things I "can't" do without:
  • FX sensor! I'm addicted to the high-ISO IQ.
  • Back-button focus (although I suppose I could deal with a remapped AF-Lock button in a pinch)
  • Being able to set ISO with either a command dial alone (in A,S, or P mode) or a command dial in conjunction with a button (in M mode)
  • A decent number of AF points
  • Exposure bracketing
Things I don't much care about:
  • Live View
  • High FPS — I don't shoot bursts
  • Pro-quality build
What do you recommend?
 
Okay I just realized the FX "requirement" pretty much prices me out of the sub-$400 used market!

DX it is, then! What's the best cheapie?
 
  • D7000. Maybe the best bargain in Nikons entire product range. Great IQ, decent ISO performance, 6fps, quiet, good controls.
 
D7000 looking like a good choice. What do you think of D300 in comparison? eBay prices are similar.
 
D7000 looking like a good choice. What do you think of D300 in comparison? eBay prices are similar.
Both cameras have their own strengths and weaknesses. For many photographers the D7000 is probably the better choice which comes across in Thom Hogan's review. Don't forget that they're both very old models so the only reason to get a D7000 today would be if money is tight and the D7000 would be good enough, because the D7100 is a better camera in many ways. Here are some quotes from the review :
Which brings me to the camera itself. If you've been following the critical serious consumer DSLR model from the beginning, you'll know that Nikon has slowly added performance and features. The D70/D70s to D80 to D90 to D7000 progression hasn't changed the basic body size and style, the price point, or the base feature set. But each iteration has been pushing up the image quality, performance, and slowly added some of the pro-level feature set.

Thus, it won't surprise you find that the D7000 and D90 sat next to one another look remarkably the same. Casual inspection from the front won't reveal any tangible changes to most people (though there are some). Even careful inspection of the back reveals only some modest changes in buttons and something new sitting under the Mode dial. It sure looks and feels D90-replacement to me.

But what a replacement. Nikon appears to have decided to defend the high-end consumer DSLR camera with everything they've got. The changes inside the camera are massive, and make for a far better camera than I think most people expected at this price point.

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Coupled with the new focus system is a new metering sensor in the viewfinder area. This new 2016-pixel part does color discrimination that integrates into the Auto Area and 3D Tracking aspects of the focus system. The focus system itself is controlled in a new way. Instead of extra buttons and switches on the top and back of the camera, the Autofocus mode lever next to the lens (labeled AF and M; used to be S, C, and M on high-end cameras) now has a button in the middle of it. Press that button and the Front Command dial controls the Autofocus Area mode and the back button controls the Autofocus mode (yes, I know Nikon uses the words "focus" and "mode" in seriously confusing ways with different functions all having labels that look the same until you read the words really carefully; it's one reason why my books sell so well, as I explain the differences clearly and precisely ;~).

The viewfinder that you're looking through to see the focus system settings (yes, you can change focus settings without taking your eye from the viewfinder--hurray!), is now 100% view, which is nice. It's still a little lacking in some information, like the D90 was, but you get used to that.

Three very useful additions come to the D7000 from the higher-level bodies and set the D7000 even further above the D90: AF Fine tune, Non-CPU Lens Data, and Intervalometer. Bravo. Those of you with older manual focus Nikkors (AI or AI-S only) will find that they work with the meter in the D7000; those of you with exotic long lenses will be able to tweak the camera/lens combination to its fullest; and Intervalometer makes for an interesting addition for all those video freaks using the D7000 (allows you to take frames for a time-lapse video). Very nice, Nikon. And overdue.

Overall, a lot of significant feature updates, many of which move the D7000 to the top of the DX camera ladder.

Which brings me to the D300s. I've noted a lot of people getting confused by the fact that the D300s now seems to be lagging in some areas of performance to the D7000, thus they believe it can't be considered the top DX camera any more. Given that the D300s is really a three-year old camera (the s revision really was a very modest mid-life tweak), it's to be expected that the sensor and image processing will be a generation behind the D7000.

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Autofocus System
Surprise, surprise. This autofocus system is quite good (at least in normal shooting). It feels responsive, does well in low light (but not exceptionally well), and covers a nice wide area of the frame. Coupled with the new method of making autofocus settings, you should be able to get excellent performance in almost any condition with the mirror down. In basketball sessions, it did a very good job of following action, perhaps slightly better than the D300s, but definitely not quite up to the level of my D3s. But anyone up to a D90 user will be blown away with this new system, so it's a big win here. I've seen reports from others about being disappointed with active autofocus use, such as with birds in flight (BIF). I haven't been able to duplicate their problems, though I will note that you may need to adjust your settings if you're coming from another high-end camera. I found my optimal BIF settings for the D7000 to be slightly different than for my D300s.

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http://www.bythom.com/nikond7000review.htm
 
  • D7000. Maybe the best bargain in Nikons entire product range. Great IQ, decent ISO performance, 6fps, quiet, good controls.
While a good camera, I have to knock it down a peg for a rather weird AF system. It really breaks down in low light (outside the central point) and is prone to significant shift depending on colour temp. If the D7100 is the first D7xxx camera with the 51pt AF, I would probably look at that first.
 
Yes. As stated earlier I agree the 7100 is a better camera all around. However they are selling for nearly double his stated budget on the used market. Which is why I didn't recommend it.

Remember, he asked about a cheap backup camera. To me, the 7000 is it.
 
I prefer to stick with the same battery greatly which for me rules out 700 and 300.

For me this answer is 7000, 7100, and 600, which can be found for 300, 500, and 900 dollars (and better if you spend way too much time looking around like I do).

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I prefer to stick with the same battery greatly which for me rules out 700 and 300.

For me this answer is 7000, 7100, and 600, which can be found for 300, 500, and 900 dollars (and better if you spend way too much time looking around like I do).
 
I prefer to stick with the same battery greatly which for me rules out 700 and 300.

For me this answer is 7000, 7100, and 600, which can be found for 300, 500, and 900 dollars (and better if you spend way too much time looking around like I do).
 
The D300 might be nice to handle, but it will not have anywhere near the IQ of your D800. High iso will be over a stop and a half worse, DR is worse too. You'll be able to get photos out of it presumably, but it is no backup to the D800 for critical work.

Maybe you should just get an unloved D600 when the time is right. They've come down to D700 prices but the IQ is a lot better.
 
The D300 might be nice to handle, but it will not have anywhere near the IQ of your D800. High iso will be over a stop and a half worse, DR is worse too. You'll be able to get photos out of it presumably, but it is no backup to the D800 for critical work.

Maybe you should just get an unloved D600 when the time is right. They've come down to D700 prices but the IQ is a lot better.
That's a useful take. Not being a pro, i appreciate rather than require the D800's qualities. Nevertheless, it would be nice to have a backup that is not worlds worse in IQ.

Does the D7000's sensor do a much better job than the older camera's?
 
Take a careful look at the images in this gallery. Especially the last 2.

 
spend a little more, about $750, D600
 
The D300 might be nice to handle, but it will not have anywhere near the IQ of your D800. High iso will be over a stop and a half worse, DR is worse too. You'll be able to get photos out of it presumably, but it is no backup to the D800 for critical work.

Maybe you should just get an unloved D600 when the time is right. They've come down to D700 prices but the IQ is a lot better.
That's a useful take. Not being a pro, i appreciate rather than require the D800's qualities. Nevertheless, it would be nice to have a backup that is not worlds worse in IQ.

Does the D7000's sensor do a much better job than the older camera's?
The D7000 is like having half a D800 sensor very nearly. I saw a comparison by someone shooting in DX mode on the D800.

But I have to repeat, I wouldn't really call it a backup because photos won't look the same. It has the 1.5x crop factor so you won't be able to go as wide with your normal lenses. If you are cost-conscious and want a relatively modern CMOS DX camera that takes good photos but you only need it to sit on the shelf unless your other camera has problems, maybe you should get a D90 and save some money. If you buy a D90 for $200 and in three years have no more need of it and sell it for half what you paid, you lose less than buying a D7000 for $350 and doing the same.
 
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The D7000 is like having half a D800 sensor very nearly. I saw a comparison by someone shooting in DX mode on the D800.

But I have to repeat, I wouldn't really call it a backup because photos won't look the same. It has the 1.5x crop factor so you won't be able to go as wide with your normal lenses. If you are cost-conscious and want a relatively modern CMOS DX camera that takes good photos but you only need it to sit on the shelf unless your other camera has problems, maybe you should get a D90 and save some money. If you buy a D90 for $200 and in three years have no more need of it and sell it for half what you paid, you lose less than buying a D7000 for $350 and doing the same.
Very good points.

If i'm being honest, i have to admit that what i'm looking for is not a backup in terms of functionality—for that i would need another D800 or at least another FX body—but rather a backup in terms of fun.

That is to say, i can't have fun with no camera. So i need a decent second body to use when my primary is out of commission. It doesn't have to work well as a substitute—it just has to work well enough to be fun to use and make good pictures.
 

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