Has anyone done a good comparison between the 5D4 and the XT2 image quality? I shoot 5-10 weddings a year and have always been a canon shooter but I recently bought an XT2 (but not much glass for it.) I like the aspect of seeing my exposure in the evf but I'm not really happy with the images I'm getting in low light. I sold my 5D mark 3 but thinking about buying a 5D mark 4 instead of investing in a lot of Fuji glass... I want good low light images and I would like to hear from photographers who have used both and compared the images. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, JB
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X-T2 vs 5D iv for weddings? (Low Light weddings)
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thejohnnerparty
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Might not be many people out there with your configuration. I just have a P&S (RX100). Low light shooting is a tough one. With todays equipment there is so much technology involved - metering, AF, image sensors, software (noise reduction, color grading, sharpening, etc.) to say nothing about lens quality. You may have to figure this question out yourself. Maybe you can rent some equipment and do some kind of evaluation to answer your question. It would be interesting to know the answer on this one.
Moti
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Both cameras are excellent for shooting weddings and it all comes down to personal preferences and nothing else.
Having said that, the 5D4 may be a better choice for you as you already have the required lenses but this is the only argument.
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KCook
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Over on the forum for Fujifilm X System they may help with low light tweaking.
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I know both cameras are good cameras. I shot with the 5D3 for 4 years and sold it to buy the X-T2. I don't feel like the X-T2 is any better the my 5D3 was in low light. I want to know if my pictures will be less grainy in low light with the 5D4. Maybe what I'm asking is how much better is the 5D4 than the 5D3 since the Fuji seems to be no better than the 5D3 or am I just wrong about the Fuji and need to give it more time to grow in me... I've shot with Canon for 10 years, so I may be a little prejudice. Lol. As a side note I miss the shallow depth of field I got with my canons, however I like the light weight and evf benefits of the Fuji. I'm just not sure if I want to invest another $4000 in Fuji glass if the 5D4 will give me better more consistent results, or wait for the Canon mirrorless that everyone says is coming.
Moti
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As I have said, both cameras are excellent tools for wedding photography and it all depends on what you can do with them.
If any of these doesn't give you consistant results, It is not the tool that has to be blamed.
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Thank you Kelly! That was a very helpful response!
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to ask the question, "D7200 vs 5DIV for low light?"
You'll get much more dispassionate, and dare I say it accurate, replies.
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The Canon has a larger sensor. It will produce images that are less noisy and have higher Dynamic Range. However, the sensor technology is not identical, and the gap in performance is not as big as the difference in sensor size would suggest. Instead of the 7/6 stop difference in sensor size, you get a 5/6 to 1/3 stop difference in performance, depending on ISO level.
The Canon has a higher pixel count which will help with sharpness and cropping.
So the 5DIV has higher IQ potential than the X-T2, but perhaps not so much higher as to justify the difference in system price.
You might also want to consider what lenses you would need on each body, and consider their shooting envelopes, performance, and cost. A pro wedding photographer shooting Canon EF is probably using 16-35, 24-70 and 70-200 f/2.8 lenses. Fuji's corresponding lenses are all slower in equivalent terms. Canon's lenses are larger and more expensive.
In the end it is the usual crop MILC vs FF dSLR tradeoff. The Fuji is cheaper, lighter and smaller, but can't match the shooting envelope or potential IQ of the Canon system. The choice comes down to whether the gap in performance is more or less significant to you than the gaps in price and size/weight. That's going to vary between different people. There is no one right answer.
The Canon has a higher pixel count which will help with sharpness and cropping.
So the 5DIV has higher IQ potential than the X-T2, but perhaps not so much higher as to justify the difference in system price.
You might also want to consider what lenses you would need on each body, and consider their shooting envelopes, performance, and cost. A pro wedding photographer shooting Canon EF is probably using 16-35, 24-70 and 70-200 f/2.8 lenses. Fuji's corresponding lenses are all slower in equivalent terms. Canon's lenses are larger and more expensive.
In the end it is the usual crop MILC vs FF dSLR tradeoff. The Fuji is cheaper, lighter and smaller, but can't match the shooting envelope or potential IQ of the Canon system. The choice comes down to whether the gap in performance is more or less significant to you than the gaps in price and size/weight. That's going to vary between different people. There is no one right answer.
I am inclined to say the 5d has the edge because of it being full frame and having more megapixels. If you were to compare the two bodies with identical lenses (not really possible) in the same conditions the 5d would probably win all if not most of the time
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When photographers make tart comments about other photographers making mistakes, it would look more convincing if they didn't make mistakes with their own spelling first wouldn't it.
Now re the Fuji, personally I would go for the much bigger world of lenses attached to Canon and the twice as big sensor. I have heard in real life of a wedding photographer going over to Fuji but this was completely due to not being able to contemplate excess weight any more. I'd put such a move off until there was no avoiding it. Plus, 'waxy skin tones' comes up a lot with Fuji.
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cybersimba
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Good question. I myself have so far struggled somewhat to answer this (this being the question that if I can / should use Fuji for pro events incl. weddings). I have Canon 6D+5DIV+L glass for Pro shoots. Last year I got sucked into Fuji system. At this point I have parallel Canon + Fuji system. I use Fuji for all personal photography. For paid shoots except for couple of those, I have always used Canon. Since you asked, it can help articulate advantages of both, if you will. Because those can then perhaps help you decide:
Canon System (FF body + quality L glass) vs Fuji ILC (XPro2/XT2 with quality Fuji glass)
Pros (Canon) / Cons (Fuji):
-Consistency & Reliability of FF + L glass is TOP NOTCH!
-Accessories (including flashes) : this alone makes Canon so much superior. Fuji is getting there but can take another year perhaps.
-Just sheer availability of glass (even third party) on canon is phenomenal. I know I said quality L glass above but it begs to highlight number of glass options available for Canon FF bodies too. Though lately Fuji world has enough choices that this may not be a big issue anymore.
-Color contrast you get from Canon images is different. Not to say Fuji is bad its just different and only in Canon you get those colors.
-FF bokeh, 3D look to images: I have noticed that images I get from Canon FF have noticeably better bokeh and all the advantages you can think of with larger sensor you can get. Yes the difference due to sensor may not be a lot noticeable but bokeh is. Also the images have (not able to articulate this easily I know) 3D look to them. Again, Fuji also has colors and look that is unique and Canon cannot produce that but Canon look is different and I personally so far prefer that look of Canon especially for portraits. Everyone's mileage may vary.
-Low light performance. Here is where I think FF again is still a King. Of course, depending on how good you are you can still use APS-C system and not be bothered by this but having that larger sensor and lenses that gather more light is only going to be more advantage and not less.
-Ergonomics: I do like Canon bodies for their ergonomics. This can be also getting used to factor as I am used to larger DSLRs and like to have that solid grip on the body. One more area noticeable is the fact that you can adjust shutter and aperture with one hand. Now this is not necessarily disadvantage on Fuji's side because you land up adjusting aperture on lenses (that needs second hand engaged). However there are many times where being able to do it all with one hand can be handy. Just a point to be noted.
-Overall Ruggedness of the system. I totally love how "sexy" Fuji bodies are, but at the same time I get (even though they are weather sealed and produced tough etc) a feel of them being delicate compared to Canon bodies and lenses. Lenses for sure especially comparing L glass with Fuji lenses.
Cons (Canon) / Pros(Fuji):
-Biggest disadvantage is Size and Weight! Fuji totally shines here!
-NO EVF. Once you get used to Fuji EVF especially X-T1/X-T2 you are going to miss it on system with no EVF.
-No focus peaking and all those focus assisting tools you get with Fuji system
-Overall menu and software on Fuji systems is way ahead of Canon. This is where Canon totally lacks. When you need new feature you go buy new camera in Canon world. But Fuji simply releases a firmware update.
-Due to is size, shooting inconspicuously is not easy with Canon. in fact, in events its next to impossible. This is where capturing street shots or events where you want to capture those candids by mingling in the crowd and yet not get people's attention: Fuji would be your system of choice.
-Overall Fuji's form factor, its image quality, its software system is a great package for the IQ it delivers. Now its not same as IQ FF delivers but the gap is certainly narrowing.
I hope that helps somewhat. I still have to use Fuji system in a low light event for a paid shoot. But it seems many photogs have been using it for weddings and have been happy. I would love to learn more from anyone with any additional points or experiences in the same area. Interesting part I find is that... especially for events situation I can certainly benefit from carrying lighter system like Fuji. For studio or otherwise portrait situation I don't mind carrying more weight. However for events when light gets low again FF shines so its not like I can (perhaps don't dare to yet) use Fuji for low light events.
Canon System (FF body + quality L glass) vs Fuji ILC (XPro2/XT2 with quality Fuji glass)
Pros (Canon) / Cons (Fuji):
-Consistency & Reliability of FF + L glass is TOP NOTCH!
-Accessories (including flashes) : this alone makes Canon so much superior. Fuji is getting there but can take another year perhaps.
-Just sheer availability of glass (even third party) on canon is phenomenal. I know I said quality L glass above but it begs to highlight number of glass options available for Canon FF bodies too. Though lately Fuji world has enough choices that this may not be a big issue anymore.
-Color contrast you get from Canon images is different. Not to say Fuji is bad its just different and only in Canon you get those colors.
-FF bokeh, 3D look to images: I have noticed that images I get from Canon FF have noticeably better bokeh and all the advantages you can think of with larger sensor you can get. Yes the difference due to sensor may not be a lot noticeable but bokeh is. Also the images have (not able to articulate this easily I know) 3D look to them. Again, Fuji also has colors and look that is unique and Canon cannot produce that but Canon look is different and I personally so far prefer that look of Canon especially for portraits. Everyone's mileage may vary.
-Low light performance. Here is where I think FF again is still a King. Of course, depending on how good you are you can still use APS-C system and not be bothered by this but having that larger sensor and lenses that gather more light is only going to be more advantage and not less.
-Ergonomics: I do like Canon bodies for their ergonomics. This can be also getting used to factor as I am used to larger DSLRs and like to have that solid grip on the body. One more area noticeable is the fact that you can adjust shutter and aperture with one hand. Now this is not necessarily disadvantage on Fuji's side because you land up adjusting aperture on lenses (that needs second hand engaged). However there are many times where being able to do it all with one hand can be handy. Just a point to be noted.
-Overall Ruggedness of the system. I totally love how "sexy" Fuji bodies are, but at the same time I get (even though they are weather sealed and produced tough etc) a feel of them being delicate compared to Canon bodies and lenses. Lenses for sure especially comparing L glass with Fuji lenses.
Cons (Canon) / Pros(Fuji):
-Biggest disadvantage is Size and Weight! Fuji totally shines here!
-NO EVF. Once you get used to Fuji EVF especially X-T1/X-T2 you are going to miss it on system with no EVF.
-No focus peaking and all those focus assisting tools you get with Fuji system
-Overall menu and software on Fuji systems is way ahead of Canon. This is where Canon totally lacks. When you need new feature you go buy new camera in Canon world. But Fuji simply releases a firmware update.
-Due to is size, shooting inconspicuously is not easy with Canon. in fact, in events its next to impossible. This is where capturing street shots or events where you want to capture those candids by mingling in the crowd and yet not get people's attention: Fuji would be your system of choice.
-Overall Fuji's form factor, its image quality, its software system is a great package for the IQ it delivers. Now its not same as IQ FF delivers but the gap is certainly narrowing.
I hope that helps somewhat. I still have to use Fuji system in a low light event for a paid shoot. But it seems many photogs have been using it for weddings and have been happy. I would love to learn more from anyone with any additional points or experiences in the same area. Interesting part I find is that... especially for events situation I can certainly benefit from carrying lighter system like Fuji. For studio or otherwise portrait situation I don't mind carrying more weight. However for events when light gets low again FF shines so its not like I can (perhaps don't dare to yet) use Fuji for low light events.
David Pavlich
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Consider the fact that the venerable 5DIII is probably the most used camera for wedding and event photography at present, the 5DIV is a better camera than the 5DIII and add to the fact that the whole support system is arguably the best in the industry, I can't think of any reason to choose the Fuji save the weight factor.
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bclaff
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There's a measurable difference between the cameras but it's unclear you'd see a visible difference.:
Note that as you observed the X-T2 is not noticeably better than the Mark III for low light.
Whereas the Mark IV is a bit better across the board.
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a_c_skinner
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This is a genuine question. That graph is DR. I assumed this gave no insight into higher ISO noise, which seems to be what the OP is asking about. DR is of course easier to measure (again I assume).
bclaff
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It's true that Dynamic Range (DR) is the ratio of two Signal values; a high and a low.
But the low signal in determining DR is based on a Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR) threshhold (either 1 for "engineering" DR or other values for normalized DR such as PDR).
Therefore DR (in this case PDR) is an excellent proxy for noise.
PDR shows the practical impact of noise as a function of ISO setting.
We could look simply at read noise:
But this is only reasonable for comparison when the pixel sizes match.
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