Good, cheap tactile keyboard

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On Today's Computer Keyboards
Our generation reads, writes and mostly touch types-- today we are in the minority. We appreciate a good keyboard, but because we are in the minority until recently we had to pay a price to get a good keyboard.

Something fortuitous happened. Gamers, the PC majority, discovered the the tactile keys that touch typists like also work well while playing computer games. You can strafe (spray bullets) faster with a tactile keyboard. Demand and competition went up for tactile keyboards driving the price down.

Tactile Keyboards
Tackle keyboards have mechanical key switches that give your fingers feedback allowing you to know that you have successfully typed a letter. They are clicky, and are most often compared to the holy grail of touch typing, the IBM Selectric Typewriter. With a good tactile keyboard you can type faster and more accurately. Some people don't like the click. The noise the make can be irritating, especially when you are working in a room with others. I work alone so it doesn't bother me. For those bothered by the noise, there are cushions to slience them and it is possible to order key switches, fully mechanical, tactile keys that are silent, too.

Key Switch Grades
Cherry the main manufacturer of mechanical key switches offers a number of color-coded grades of switches. For example, Cherry MX Blue switches require high pressure and have a loud click. Cherry MX Brown switches require less pressure and the click is less pronounced. I like the Brown.

Other Considerations
Touch typist have another problem, they wear the labels off their keys. Better keyboards have "Double Shot Injection Molded Keys" meaning that the letters on the keys are not painted on, but go straight through the keys, so they never wear off. Today they are taking the "Double Shot" one step further and using clear plastic for the key legends. This allows them to LED backlight the keys to make them even more visible (Of course, gamers are tricking this up with multiple backlighting colors and effects- not something that I am interested in).

The Search for the Cheap and Good Tactile Keyboard
So what I have been looking for is a keyboard with Cherry MX Brown keys. The keys have to be Double Shot Injection Molded. After these to requirements, I really was looking for less. I didn't want fancy backlight colors, and other gaming crap, just a sturdy, utilitarian keyboard. I think I've found it.
It's called the Velocifire TKL01 $29, for $10 more you can pick up one with a number pad-- which I like. This model with the numpad (VM01) is the model that I bought. Great little keyboards. Here's the link for the TKL01. If you want the one with the numpad, just search Amazon for "Velocifire VM01."

 
It is nice to see another devotee of "real" keyboards. I am currently using an IBM Model M buckling spring keyboard (P/N 1390131) built in November 1986. I have a couple of spares that I thought I might need as replacements, but this one is still going great. I know people who buy cheap spongy keyboards and replace them nearly annually. I am guessing this came from one of my early PS/2's.

If you can find a real Model M you may never go back.
 
Try an ergonomic keyboard and you won't go back to a straight-line one. We're not built to rest with our arms and finger tips in a straight line.
 
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I'd personally use a good membrane keyboard before a stock Cherry (and in fact used a membrane/scissor switch board from an IBM Thinkpad when cheap mechanical boards became widely available), but I do appreciate good boards. I've tried Gaterons, which do a better Cherry MX than Cherry does.

I rotate between Ergoclear and Topre boards. I've got a couple Model Ms and an Alps board in storage, as they are too noisy to use at home or at work.

I'd also add that mechanical boards are only used by gamers because manufacturers have realised they can sell any rubbish to gamers as long as they promise random gainzz and put on coloured LEDs. Pro Korean Starcraft players all used membrane boards until they started being sponsored (by Logitec or Razer, can't remember which company).

Would like to get into ergo/split boards, but don't want to invest the time in building one, or the effort in relearning key positioning.
Touch typist have another problem, they wear the labels off their keys
Touch typists... don't have to read the labels on the keys in order to type ;)
 
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It is nice to see another devotee of "real" keyboards. I am currently using an IBM Model M buckling spring keyboard (P/N 1390131) built in November 1986. I have a couple of spares that I thought I might need as replacements, but this one is still going great. I know people who buy cheap spongy keyboards and replace them nearly annually. I am guessing this came from one of my early PS/2's.

If you can find a real Model M you may never go back.

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George
I'm familiar with them, George. They were made in Lexington, KY using ALPS keyswitches. The division of IBM that made them was spun off to be Lexmark. They continued making keyboards and had limited success with printers. Lexmark also made the "Northgate" keyboards, with ALPS switches. Built to the same standards, but for a unremarkable AT clone, the "Northgate." I think they were based in Iowa and later changed their name to Gateway, but eventually folded.

The good news is that you have new options too, now.

Regards,

Sol
 
Try an ergonomic keyboard and you won't go back to a straight-line one. We're not built to rest with our arms and finger tips in a straight line.
I've heard people say that, but you won't hear it from me. I can't stand them, Chris.

But, that's why they made chocolate and vanilla, right?

Regards,

Sol
 
Touch typists... don't have to read the labels on the keys in order to type ;)
I'm a touch typist. I don't NEED labels on keys. But, I prefer labels on keys because I'm not the only one who uses my keyboard. Bless your heart.

Regards,

Sol
 
Touch typists... don't have to read the labels on the keys in order to type ;)
I'm a touch typist. I don't NEED labels on keys. But, I prefer labels on keys because I'm not the only one who uses my keyboard. Bless your heart.

Regards,

Sol
Nice to see keyboard lovers here.

I have a white engraved keycap set, you could see the letters if you looked hard. But after a while I felt it was kind of evil for anyone else..

The keyboard linked on amazon is amazing value. I have a mechanical keyboard from 2008 that is still working well. My work and home keyboard is over 2 years old but look brand new. PBT keys hardly show any kind of wear.

How many years do cherry switch keyboards last?
 
Try an ergonomic keyboard and you won't go back to a straight-line one. We're not built to rest with our arms and finger tips in a straight line.
I've heard people say that, but you won't hear it from me. I can't stand them, Chris.

But, that's why they made chocolate and vanilla, right?
No, they made chocolate and vanilla because both taste good, not because of the few people who "can't stand" one or the other.
Regards,

Sol
 
Nice to see keyboard lovers here.
I have a white engraved keycap set, you could see the letters if you looked hard. But after a while I felt it was kind of evil for anyone else..
The keyboard linked on amazon is amazing value. I have a mechanical keyboard from 2008 that is still working well. My work and home keyboard is over 2 years old but look brand new. PBT keys hardly show any kind of wear.
How many years do cherry switch keyboards last?
 
No, they made chocolate and vanilla because both taste good, not because of the few people who "can't stand" one or the other.
I didn't intend to hurt your feelings, Chris. I apologise. I actually don't have much experience with ergonomic keyboards. I have a friend that has one at the request of his wife. Now, like you, he loves it. But, I can't stand using it. So when I come over to his house to fix his computer, I bring my own keyboard.

I didn't mean to imply that you made a bad choice, it just isn't the choice for me.

Regards,

Sol

 
No, they made chocolate and vanilla because both taste good, not because of the few people who "can't stand" one or the other.
I didn't intend to hurt your feelings, Chris. I apologise.
Thanks! Very decent of you. Actually, you did not hurt my feelings, but in the U.S. of A. in 2017, too many people "can't stand" things that they are not in love with and which they are not familiar with. Nothing in between the love and the "can't stand". But you don't sound like one of those.
I actually don't have much experience with ergonomic keyboards.
Give them a chance. They feel weird at first when you have many years of bending your arms, wrists and fingers into uncomfortable positions to type on straight keyboards. After a while you realize how much more natural, relaxed and healthier your typing position is on an ergonomic keyboard.
I have a friend that has one at the request of his wife. Now, like you, he loves it. But, I can't stand using it. So when I come over to his house to fix his computer, I bring my own keyboard.

I didn't mean to imply that you made a bad choice, it just isn't the choice for me.

Regards,

Sol
Thanks Sol, I appreciate your response. And we share an appreciation for well-designed mechanical things! You wouldn't happen to own a mechanical watch?
 
I actually don't have much experience with ergonomic keyboards.
Give them a chance. They feel weird at first when you have many years of bending your arms, wrists and fingers into uncomfortable positions to type on straight keyboards. After a while you realize how much more natural, relaxed and healthier your typing position is on an ergonomic keyboard.
I don't know why I have such a block against using them. It's like becoming a vegetarian. My rational brain understands it both are good for me... Thanks for not giving up on me.
Thanks Sol, I appreciate your response. And we share an appreciation for well-designed mechanical things! You wouldn't happen to own a mechanical watch?
I had one for several years way after everything had gone quartz. It was my Dad's Elgin tank watch. I would think about him when I would wind it before going to work. But, when I retired I switched to a waterproof Citizen Eco Drive because I no longer had a routine, and I didn't want to worry about getting Dad's watch wet in the shower.

I got the Eco Drive on eBay broken for $20 and sent it in to Citizen USA for repair. It cost $70 to repair it, and took them 2 months, but it looked like new when it came back and has never given me a problem.

Regards,

Sol
 
I'd personally use a good membrane keyboard before a stock Cherry (and in fact used a membrane/scissor switch board from an IBM Thinkpad when cheap mechanical boards became widely available), but I do appreciate good boards. I've tried Gaterons, which do a better Cherry MX than Cherry does.

I rotate between Ergoclear and Topre boards. I've got a couple Model Ms and an Alps board in storage, as they are too noisy to use at home or at work.

I'd also add that mechanical boards are only used by gamers because manufacturers have realised they can sell any rubbish to gamers as long as they promise random gainzz and put on coloured LEDs. Pro Korean Starcraft players all used membrane boards until they started being sponsored (by Logitec or Razer, can't remember which company).

Would like to get into ergo/split boards, but don't want to invest the time in building one, or the effort in relearning key positioning.
Touch typist have another problem, they wear the labels off their keys
Touch typists... don't have to read the labels on the keys in order to type ;)
Well, it is my opinion that few touch typists are THAT 'touch'!

Re ergonomic keyboards, I am primarily a writer, and spend a LOT of time in front of my computer. I had the Microsoft keyboard for a while, it was OK, but I don't think it significantly improved my level of comfort and it took up a significant amount of desktop space. When it came time to replace it, I didn't think I could justify the difference in cost.

I think, for me, a proper "typing chair" is far more important in terms of overall comfort.
 
Nice! I wish I'd seen that a few months ago. I went with a Ducky Shine 5 with MX Browns after doing some reading in the keyboard forum at overclock.net. I used to use the ergo keyboards but wanted something lit for late night gaming and nobody makes a backlit ergo :( so I moved back to the straight keyboards a few years ago.
 
I love Keytronic keyboards, and use them with every build. They don't 'click' loudly like the vintage IBM keyboards, but they have excellent tactile feedback and a nice key return.

They seem to be the same model as the old Dell QuietKey keyboards, which no one today would consider "quiet." :)

USB or PS/2. I'm not sure the difference between the $20 and $30 models.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod... 8000&IsNodeId=1&Description=keyboard&bop=And

I cannot stand squishy, soft, mushy keyboards.

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It is nice to see another devotee of "real" keyboards. I am currently using an IBM Model M buckling spring keyboard (P/N 1390131) built in November 1986. I have a couple of spares that I thought I might need as replacements, but this one is still going great. I know people who buy cheap spongy keyboards and replace them nearly annually. I am guessing this came from one of my early PS/2's.

If you can find a real Model M you may never go back.

--
George
I'm familiar with them, George. They were made in Lexington, KY using ALPS keyswitches. The division of IBM that made them was spun off to be Lexmark. They continued making keyboards and had limited success with printers. Lexmark also made the "Northgate" keyboards, with ALPS switches. Built to the same standards, but for a unremarkable AT clone, the "Northgate." I think they were based in Iowa and later changed their name to Gateway, but eventually folded.
I believe that Alps switches are based on a linear spring design. The Model Ms are Buckling Spring (as in the spring deflects out of linear alignment as part of the keypress). In practice they also feel different enough that I wouldn't expect the internals to be similar.
I've heard that Cherry MX key switches routinely outlast their keyboards. Meaning the keyboards, die from other causes than key switch failure. I'm typing on a Velocifire keyboard now. It is a heavy, metal beast. I expect it to outlast me.
MX switches are 'rated' to 50M keystrokes. However I've come across enough instances of key switch failure that I'd take this with a grain of salt. I've never heard of a Model M or a Topre switch failure (the latter possibly because Topre boards are rare) but I've heard of, and witnessed enough MX failures to treat that number like hard drive MBTFs (i.e. something that sounds great in practice, but has little bearing to reality). Frankly, pretty much all keyboards are reliable for the most part though, which is a good thing.
 
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Touch typist have another problem, they wear the labels off their keys
Touch typists... don't have to read the labels on the keys in order to type ;)
Well, it is my opinion that few touch typists are THAT 'touch'!
Hm... for run of the mill English sentences? Then they aren't touch typists, are they? ;)

The only reason I look at the keyboard is for the Shift-Numrow characters, which unfortunately is a frequent occurrence due to password requirements. I've watched enough coders to know that this is just a learning fault on my part- many of them seem happy enough typing their weird special characters without visual references to the keyboard.

Slight tangent: I've watched Dvorak and Colemak typists use standard QWERTY layouts, that's pretty trippy. But I have dabbled with learning Colemak (gave up after a couple weeks) and it really does help not having the keys lableled properly as it forces you to think more about finger positioning than being distracted by the keyboard visuals.
 
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I'm obviously not a connoisseur like most of the respondents here - but my favorite keyboard is the Microsoft wired keyboard 600.

Doesn't really make a "click" sound, but definitely has good enough feedback for me. It also has media controls (play/pause, volume and mute) above the function keys and a calculator key that brings up a handy calculator. Only calculator I need at my computer work station and it's always available.

Just bought a new one to go on my new system. Old one has been in use for at least 6 years, likely much more.

Microsoft Wired Desktop 600 keyboard $21.99 with Prime
 

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