Icon picture on computer is not picture taken

gunns · Mar 30, 2017

Camera: Olympus Stylus 1050 SW

Computer operating system: Windows 10

Problem:

I've taken several pictures and they can be reviewed on the camera without any problems. When I connect the camera to my computer and open up "File Explorer" the correct number of icons appear, however" the icons are pictures that I have deleted and do not reflect the pictures that I just took. When I click on the icon of one of the already deleted pictures it opens up in "Photos" or "Windows Photo Viewer" but displays the actual picture that I just took.

I've re-formatted the camera with the memory card removed and then with the card in hoping to clear everything off the camera so I can start with a "clean" camera. But this doesn't solve the problem. It appears that those old pictures are still in the camera/card

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

gunns · Mar 31, 2017

I'm new to this forum. I didn't notice any indication on the topic list page that lists how many views there are of my thread. I'm wondering if I should have posted it elsewhere. This problem in having is quite agravating. I'm working on a project with a short time period to accomplish it and requires around a hundred pictures.

If I should have posted it elsewhere which would get it more exposure (no pun intended) please let me know.

AccidntlTourist · Mar 31, 2017

I may not be of much help, but until someone else comes along . . .

Windows 10 is still fairly new. I wonder if there is a compatibility issue.

I would try opening the files in another viewer; whatever came with your camera or Olympus Viewer (I don't know if it supports your camera; probably does).

You can get Viewer here:

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ov3-support.olympus-imaging.com

I think, when you delete images from a memory card - they may still remain on the card. This is a feature I kind of like.

I'm not sure I understand:

"I've re-formatted the camera"

Does this mean you reset to factory settings?

If the problem is with the camera and going back to factory settings doesn't do it - a lot of Oly cameras can also be given a "hard reset". If needed someone here may be able to walk you thru that.

Reformatting a card should be done with the camera and not with a computer operating system.

You'll want to get out the owner's manual and follow instructions for "reformatting" your memory card (save your images; wipes card clean).

Again, to view the images you've already downloaded to computer, I would try other non-Microsoft image viewers.

gunns said:
Camera: Olympus Stylus 1050 SW

Computer operating system: Windows 10

Problem:

I've taken several pictures and they can be reviewed on the camera without any problems. When I connect the camera to my computer and open up "File Explorer" the correct number of icons appear, however" the icons are pictures that I have deleted and do not reflect the pictures that I just took. When I click on the icon of one of the already deleted pictures it opens up in "Photos" or "Windows Photo Viewer" but displays the actual picture that I just took.

I've re-formatted the camera with the memory card removed and then with the card in hoping to clear everything off the camera so I can start with a "clean" camera. But this doesn't solve the problem. It appears that those old pictures are still in the camera/card

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Kerusker · Apr 1, 2017

gunns said:
Camera: Olympus Stylus 1050 SW

Computer operating system: Windows 10

Problem:

I've taken several pictures and they can be reviewed on the camera without any problems. When I connect the camera to my computer and open up "File Explorer" the correct number of icons appear,

I understand that you see the correct number of pictures taken.

gunns said:
however" the icons are pictures that I have deleted and do not reflect the pictures that I just took.

Then the 'pictures of the icons' are wrong but the files of the pictures taken may be there.

gunns said:
When I click on the icon of one of the already deleted pictures it opens up in "Photos" or "Windows Photo Viewer" but displays the actual picture that I just took.

That means that only the 'pictures of the icons' are wrong.

Why not just copy the pictures to your computer (drag the icons into a folder on your hard drive) and open these? Then the 'pictures of the icons' will be correct - I guess.

gunns said:
I've re-formatted the camera with the memory card removed

The camera has some internal memory which is used if no card is inserted. I understand you mean you formatted internal memory (by saying 'formatted the camera').

gunns said:
and then with the card in hoping to clear everything off the camera so I can start with a "clean" camera.

You should have to select the kind of memory to format (internal or xD-card) - no?

Anyhow, you should format both in camera memory and the xD card with your camera and not with the computer. See camera menu for that.

gunns said:
But this doesn't solve the problem. It appears that those old pictures are still in the camera/card

Formatting usually is a 'fast formatting' which just clears the file directory of the medium (otherwise there were no image rescue programs).

gunns said:
Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Take some pictures, copy them (by dragging the icons whatever image those may show) to your hard disk and work with these.

Let' know what happens.

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Enders Shadow · Apr 1, 2017

When you format the SD card in camera, does it reset the file numbers? If so, then the problem is with Windows. Windows creates a thumbnail cache for image files. So, if Windows sees a file name it has already created a thumbnail for, the file preview will use the cached image. There's a option to delete the cached thumbnails.

Oly uses a file numbering format that should avoid these sort of name space collisions. Well, at least short term collisions. Their format is Pmddnnnn where m is the month (1-9,ABC), dd the day of the month and nnnn the file index number within a folder. If you have pictures taken more than a year ago on the same date with the same index number, the file names will be identical. A picture taken on March 29 will always start with P329 regardless of the year. If you use a new card or reformat it, I believe it resets the 4 digit index. This somewhat increases the odds of having duplicate files names. Still seems farfetched that there would be that many name collisions. The only way I could see it happening is if you format the card after each file download.

Short answer, try clearing Windows thumbnail cache.

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Henry Falkner · Apr 8, 2017

I have ignored this thread until now, sorry.

I have known your problem since the 3.5 inch disks I used in DOS 6.

Deleting only marks the files as no longer wanted, but they are still there.

Quick formatting merely puts on a new file map. This can butcher the no longer wanted files, and bits of them can become live again.

Butchered and revived old files are the reason why old thumbnails can pop up instead of the new ones.

Now to camera cards, the nearest Stylus we still have to yours is the Stylus 800, which takes xD cards. The first Stylus that takes SD cards is the Stylus 9010, mine was passed on to a friend.

The camera I still have that uses the xD card is the SP-570UZ. Just now I connected it to my Windows 10 laptop, and 'FAT (Default)' is reported as the filing system.

Using the laptop to quick-format the xD card in the SP570UZ via the USB cable was successful - but this leaves garbage behind as stated above. The card in the camera has been used to capacity with VGA videos.

I have now started a slow format of the xD card in the SP-570UZ from my Windows 10 laptop via the USB cable. This will overwrite the whole card with a sequence of 0 and 1.

The green format progress track has appeared on the laptop screen, and the SP-570UZ LED is flashing to indicate formatting is taking place. But this slow-formatting will take some time. Even the xD M+ type cards are only fast enough to record VGA video. I will do something else while it is happening. It might take an hour.

I will complete my answer when I have one with a new post.

Henry

Henry Falkner · Apr 8, 2017

The formatting of the xD M+ 2GB card in the camera, formatted by Windows 10 laptop via USB lead, took 4 hours, but it was successful.

When switched on, the SP-570UZ automatically put its own filing system on the card, and a still and a video were taken. Both displayed in the camera with the correct thumbnails. The camera folders were viewed on the laptop, and the correct icons showed. The still opened, and the video played.

I am therefore confident to recommend long-formatting your card in the PC. After this procedure, I see no old garbage on my card appearing.

Henry

Enders Shadow · Apr 8, 2017

Henry Falkner said:
I have ignored this thread until now, sorry.

I have known your problem since the 3.5 inch disks I used in DOS 6.

Deleting only marks the files as no longer wanted, but they are still there.

Quick formatting merely puts on a new file map. This can butcher the no longer wanted files, and bits of them can become live again.

Butchered and revived old files are the reason why old thumbnails can pop up instead of the new ones.

Highly unlikely. Formatting the card resets the file allocation table of a existing partition. It's totally irrelevant if there's old data or deleted files still present. All normal file utilities can't see any of it. All they see is unallocated space. It takes something like a disk editor to read or write the raw data.

Running a full format makes no difference. Identical to a quick format, it clears the FAT data. It then scans the disk for bad sectors. This scan is identical to running chkdsk /r and is totally non-destructive. All the data remains intact. It's not a particularly efficient utility and can take a long time to run on today's large hard drives. And, it should never be run on solid state storage media

I'm not sure about older cards, but SD cards should never be formatted by native OS utilities. The safest method is to use the camera's own format utility. SD cards requires special formatting. This provides correct block alignment to insure reliable performance and allows wear leveling to work effectively. The SD Association has a utility that will correctly format a card on a PC.

https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/index.html

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Henry Falkner · Apr 9, 2017

Enders Shadow said:
Henry Falkner said:

I have ignored this thread until now, sorry.

I have known your problem since the 3.5 inch disks I used in DOS 6.

Deleting only marks the files as no longer wanted, but they are still there.

Quick formatting merely puts on a new file map. This can butcher the no longer wanted files, and bits of them can become live again.

Butchered and revived old files are the reason why old thumbnails can pop up instead of the new ones.

Click to expand...

Highly unlikely. Formatting the card resets the file allocation table of a existing partition. It's totally irrelevant if there's old data or deleted files still present. All normal file utilities can't see any of it. All they see is unallocated space. It takes something like a disk editor to read or write the raw data.

You are trying to teach me to suck eggs. I have SEEN old data popping up. Only a few weeks ago a friend of mine came here with an SD card corrupted in this fashion. I had to use a memory recovery program to recover pictures that were needed to show an internal house renovation, which he needed for a qualification. Lo and behold, dozens of MY old pictures showed up that I had taken before I gave the camera to him. He did also get back the pictures he needed.

Enders Shadow said:
Running a full format makes no difference. Identical to a quick format, it clears the FAT data. It then scans the disk for bad sectors.

It is NOT identical to a quick format. Read what I wrote. Long formatting over-writes the disk with 0 and 1 in succession, within the new sector map. In the old DOS days Checkdisk did the same. The current version of Checkdisk probably does not. It is too quick to do that. Which is how some programs find files that Windows has forgotten about (AVS Registry Cleaner finds old temporary web info, junk files, recycle bin files and broken shortcuts).

Enders Shadow said:
This scan is identical to running chkdsk /r and is totally non-destructive. All the data remains intact. It's not a particularly efficient utility and can take a long time to run on today's large hard drives. And, it should never be run on solid state storage media.

I have recovered several SD cards in this fashion. Where do you guys get your information from?

Enders Shadow said:
I'm not sure about older cards, but SD cards should never be formatted by native OS utilities. The safest method is to use the camera's own format utility.

What the camera does is to put its own directories on a PC long-formatted card. I have done this - let me think - since about 2011 when the first Olympus pocket travel zooms came with an SD card in them.

Enders Shadow said:
SD cards requires special formatting. This provides correct block alignment to insure reliable performance and allows wear leveling to work effectively. The SD Association has a utility that will correctly format a card on a PC.

Windows 10 reports correctly the filing format on an SD card (or in my example, an Olympus xD card) in the camera, and it uses the formatting for that particular card, NOT its own NTFS.

Enders Shadow said:
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/index.html

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Where do some of you guys get your information from?

I repeat: I HAVE RECOVERED SEVERAL SD CARDS BY LONG-FORMATTING VIA A SUCCESSION OF WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEMS. I did NOT corrupt ANY camera cards. I RECOVERED them! I would NOT be doing that if I crashed one card after another.

That is why guys come to ME to sort out THEIR card problems.

Henry

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Enders Shadow · Apr 9, 2017

Henry Falkner said:
You are trying to teach me to suck eggs. I have SEEN old data popping up. Only a few weeks ago a friend of mine came here with an SD card corrupted in this fashion. I had to use a memory recovery program to recover pictures that were needed to show an internal house renovation, which he needed for a qualification. Lo and behold, dozens of MY old pictures showed up that I had taken before I gave the camera to him. He did also get back the pictures he needed.

Deleting or a quick format doesn't destroy the data. However, as new files are added, the old data eventually becomes overwritten. Those file recovery utilities are able to read the raw data on the media. They scan for clues such as common file headers that indicate the beginning of a file. If the data is contiguous, it's trivial to recover the file. Some will even attempt to recover fragmented files. These files didn't suddenly reappear, they were pulled out of the raw data. Normal file utilities, such as Windows File Explorer, have no capability to recover files from the raw data. This why it's unlikely the OP's problem is related to the SD card.

Due to wear leveling used on solid state storage, it's quiet common for old (deleted) file data to remain untouched. Those blocks of data may not be used again until all the other blocks have be written to. And, if a block of active data starts experiencing high read errors, the controller will swap the data to a reserved (spare) block. However, the data in the original block remains. This and other architectural differences make it difficult to fully wipe a SSD. Some controllers support ATA Secure Erase. It supposedly can can completely wipe a drive. Any drive I really want protected has full disk encryption enabled before any sensitive data is written to it.

Henry Falkner said:
Henry Falkner said:

Running a full format makes no difference. Identical to a quick format, it clears the FAT data. It then scans the disk for bad sectors.

Click to expand...

It is NOT identical to a quick format. Read what I wrote. Long formatting over-writes the disk with 0 and 1 in succession, within the new sector map. In the old DOS days Checkdisk did the same. The current version of Checkdisk probably does not. It is too quick to do that. Which is how some programs find files that Windows has forgotten about (AVS Registry Cleaner finds old temporary web info, junk files, recycle bin files and broken shortcuts).

Years ago I performed a full format on the wrong drive. After the initial panic, I found a utility that recovered everything. That was back in the days of Windows XP. However, since Vista, Microsoft changed the full format option to write zeros to every sector after it scans for bad areas. I forgot about that change. As drives have become larger, I don't bother with a full format. There are far better utilities to validate drive integrity or to nuke the data. And with solid state media, a full format shouldn't be used.

Those registry cleaners don't appear to do any sort disk data recovery. They do know the areas where Windows does poor housekeeping. And, there's no magic in repairing broken links.

Henry Falkner said:
Henry Falkner said:

This scan is identical to running chkdsk /r and is totally non-destructive. All the data remains intact. It's not a particularly efficient utility and can take a long time to run on today's large hard drives. And, it should never be run on solid state storage media.

Click to expand...

I have recovered several SD cards in this fashion. Where do you guys get your information from?

Using a file recovery utility, right?

Henry Falkner said:
Henry Falkner said:

I'm not sure about older cards, but SD cards should never be formatted by native OS utilities. The safest method is to use the camera's own format utility.

Click to expand...

What the camera does is to put its own directories on a PC long-formatted card. I have done this - let me think - since about 2011 when the first Olympus pocket travel zooms came with an SD card in them.

Windows 10 reports correctly the filing format on an SD card (or in my example, an Olympus xD card) in the camera, and it uses the formatting for that particular card, NOT its own NTFS.

Where do some of you guys get your information from?

I repeat: I HAVE RECOVERED SEVERAL SD CARDS BY LONG-FORMATTING VIA A SUCCESSION OF WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEMS. I did NOT corrupt ANY camera cards. I RECOVERED them! I would NOT be doing that if I crashed one card after another.

Read what the SD Card Association says about using OS format utilities. You would expect they know something about SD cards.

I had a SD card that refused to be formatted in-camera. It did format normally in a card reader connected to a computer. But when used in the camera, I noticed it was taking much longer than normal to clear the buffer after shooting a long burst. So, I tried formatting the card in camera. It now completed the format without a error. And, its write speed returned. Formatting with the SD card utility also allowed normal performance. But write performance dropped again when formatted under Windows. I'm sticking with the SD Card Association's recommendations.

Henry Falkner · Apr 9, 2017

Enders Shadow said:
Henry Falkner said:

You are trying to teach me to suck eggs. I have SEEN old data popping up. Only a few weeks ago a friend of mine came here with an SD card corrupted in this fashion. I had to use a memory recovery program to recover pictures that were needed to show an internal house renovation, which he needed for a qualification. Lo and behold, dozens of MY old pictures showed up that I had taken before I gave the camera to him. He did also get back the pictures he needed.

Click to expand...

Deleting or a quick format doesn't destroy the data. However, as new files are added, the old data eventually becomes overwritten. Those file recovery utilities are able to read the raw data on the media. They scan for clues such as common file headers that indicate the beginning of a file. If the data is contiguous, it's trivial to recover the file. Some will even attempt to recover fragmented files. These files didn't suddenly reappear, they were pulled out of the raw data. Normal file utilities, such as Windows File Explorer, have no capability to recover files from the raw data. This why it's unlikely the OP's problem is related to the SD card.

It looks like you make a point of ignoring those bits that you don't like. You are not the only one who does that in these forums.

To OVERWRITE the old data with a sequence of 0 and 1, you UNTICK quick format, and that will give you a slow format, which DOES get rid of the old files, INCLUDING VIRUSSES.

I have done that since DOS 6, on hard disks and 3.5 inch floppies, when I started with IBM compatibles.

Enders Shadow said:
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Enders Shadow · Apr 9, 2017

Henry Falkner said:
Enders Shadow said:

Deleting or a quick format doesn't destroy the data. However, as new files are added, the old data eventually becomes overwritten. Those file recovery utilities are able to read the raw data on the media. They scan for clues such as common file headers that indicate the beginning of a file. If the data is contiguous, it's trivial to recover the file. Some will even attempt to recover fragmented files. These files didn't suddenly reappear, they were pulled out of the raw data. Normal file utilities, such as Windows File Explorer, have no capability to recover files from the raw data. This why it's unlikely the OP's problem is related to the SD card.

Click to expand...

It looks like you make a point of ignoring those bits that you don't like. You are not the only one who does that in these forums.

To OVERWRITE the old data with a sequence of 0 and 1, you UNTICK quick format, and that will give you a slow format, which DOES get rid of the old files, INCLUDING VIRUSSES.

I have done that since DOS 6, on hard disks and 3.5 inch floppies, when I started with IBM compatibles.

Read what I wrote. I specifically mentioned its the quick format that doesn't delete the raw data on the disk. And, later I stated, "...That was back in the days of Windows XP. However, since Vista, Microsoft changed the full format option to write zeros to every sector after it scans for bad areas. I forgot about that change."

And the full format command doesn't write a sequence of 0's and 1's, only 0's.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/941961

Do you believe Microsoft doesn't know how their own format command works?

And, for boot sector viruses, you really needed to start with a fdisk /mbr. UEFI Secure Boot resists that sort of attack and they are no longer common. Not to be deterred, hackers have developed malware that infects the drive's controller. Basically undetectable and almost impossible to remove. While such an attack has been demonstrated, it's difficult to implement. Possibly state level actors could pull it off.

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Henry Falkner · Apr 9, 2017

Enders Shadow said:
Henry Falkner said:

Enders Shadow said:

Deleting or a quick format doesn't destroy the data. However, as new files are added, the old data eventually becomes overwritten. Those file recovery utilities are able to read the raw data on the media. They scan for clues such as common file headers that indicate the beginning of a file. If the data is contiguous, it's trivial to recover the file. Some will even attempt to recover fragmented files. These files didn't suddenly reappear, they were pulled out of the raw data. Normal file utilities, such as Windows File Explorer, have no capability to recover files from the raw data. This why it's unlikely the OP's problem is related to the SD card.

Click to expand...

It looks like you make a point of ignoring those bits that you don't like. You are not the only one who does that in these forums.

To OVERWRITE the old data with a sequence of 0 and 1, you UNTICK quick format, and that will give you a slow format, which DOES get rid of the old files, INCLUDING VIRUSSES.

I have done that since DOS 6, on hard disks and 3.5 inch floppies, when I started with IBM compatibles.

Click to expand...

Read what I wrote. I specifically mentioned its the quick format that doesn't delete the raw data on the disk. And, later I stated, "...That was back in the days of Windows XP. However, since Vista, Microsoft changed the full format option to write zeros to every sector after it scans for bad areas. I forgot about that change."

And the full format command doesn't write a sequence of 0's and 1's, only 0's.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/941961

Do you believe Microsoft doesn't know how their own format command works?

And, for boot sector viruses, you really needed to start with a fdisk /mbr. UEFI Secure Boot resists that sort of attack and they are no longer common. Not to be deterred, hackers have developed malware that infects the drive's controller. Basically undetectable and almost impossible to remove. While such an attack has been demonstrated, it's difficult to implement. Possibly state level actors could pull it off.

AccidntlTourist · Apr 10, 2017

Thank you Henry and Phil for an interesting conversation. You've both gotten into the "weeds" on this subject and maybe came out with slightly different views. And the internet is not always the best place to "hash out" clarifications (and sometimes unnecessarily heated). But, you've both given us plenty to think about and research and come to our own conclusions.

Glad to see the conversation may be ending on a positive note.

Based on my own experience (if memory serves) and posts I've read over the years - one of the reasons people end up with card problems is because they didn't follow these standard manufacturer instructions:

From Olympus manual for XZ-2 (but pretty universal):

Format card

Cards must be formatted with this camera before first use or after being used with other cameras or computers.

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Cautions

• Performing [Card setup]/[Memory setup], [Erase], [Sel. Image] or [All Erase] may not completely erase all card data. When disposing of the card, damage the card to prevent the disclosure of personal data.

Readout/recording process of the card

During shooting, the memory icon flashes while the camera is writing data. Never open the battery/card compartment cover or unplug the USB cable. This can not only damage the image data but also render the internal memory or card unusable.

- - - - Page 84 (english) - - - -

So, even if you use a computer to "fix" or delete or re-format memory - it's important (as I think one or both of you have said) - to do the following:

Cards must be formatted with this camera before first use or after being used with other cameras or computers.

Henry Falkner · Apr 10, 2017

AccidntlTourist said:
Cards must be formatted with this camera before first use or after being used with other cameras or computers.

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Thank you for your observations on our discussion.

My Olympus cameras always format the card automatically after my long format in the PC. My understanding is, not all brands do.

I have had conflicts on cards that were started in one Olympus model, then put into another Olympus model. The latter will accept the card without reformatting, but may be upset by the files from the previous camera. It may report an error, or only display the old thumbnails.

Henry

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AccidntlTourist · Apr 10, 2017

Henry Falkner said:
AccidntlTourist said:

Cards must be formatted with this camera before first use or after being used with other cameras or computers.

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Henry Falkner · Apr 11, 2017

AccidntlTourist said:
So Henry, you are saying that:

- camera is off

- you insert card that was formatted on PC

- you turn on camera and ....

The Olympus (!) camera pauses, then displays the capacity for stills and the time available for video in the format chosen. I then record stills and videos as per usual. The screen shots below show a card that I long-formatted before I started using it, because it lived in Graham's Olympus SZ-30MR, and THEN in his Panasonic TZ80 before.

Viewing the Olympus camera via USB on my laptop displays the DCIM folder, and opening that shows the 100OLYMP folder:

Switching cards between Olympus models is the one instance where the camera will NOT re-format the card automatically. My SH-2 may try to read the card previously in Graham's SZ-30MR, but may display errors for the SZ-30MR images. (Having seen this on older Olympus models, I did the PC long-formatting on auto-pilot.)

With Graham's Panasonic TZ80 I use a 64GB SDXC card. I Iong-formatted it in my laptop, because it lived in my Olympus SH-2 before - and that was my reasoning for clearing the card completely, by long-formatting. In the laptop after two weeks' use, this card displays three folders: DCIM, MISC, and PRIVATE:

DCIM contains the 100_PANA folder. In Large View I see pictures I have taken in it. Opening the 100_PANA folder shows the pictures I have not deleted yet:

MISC contains 'AUTOPLAY3.MRK', PRIVATE has two folder: AVCHD and PANA_GRP, which I have not investigated further.

In the camera, pushing the 'display' button allows me to look at the pictures in turn. Only one image is shown for each JPEG RAW pair.

Connecting the TZ80 via USB rings the bell on the laptop to indicate that the laptop has seen the camera. Pressing the display button, the LCD first informs me that the camera is not charging, then says "Connecting to the PC'. The laptop shows 'LUMIX (H

down the left side, and the same three directories shown in the first screen shot. These open the same way as they do with the card in the laptop.

HOWEVER: The first thing I did after switching the TZ80 on after PC long-formatting, was to use the Panasonic formatting procedure.

Not knowing much yet about Panasonic cameras, I did NOT rely on the TZ80 formatting automatically, which all the Olympus cameras I own are doing.

What else can I do to show that long-formatting in the PC neither damages the card nor the camera it is then used in?

I do stress that the way the card comes out of the PC is as a drive with nothing on it. It MUST be formatted in the camera afterwards. I can only claim that Olympus cameras do this automatically after switch-on. I have no experience with other brands.

The TZ80 belongs to my friend Graham, who happens to be the radio club president I have to work with as the editor of the club newsletter. I will NOT take unnecessary risks with his camera.

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AccidntlTourist · Apr 11, 2017

Henry Falkner said:
AccidntlTourist said:

So Henry, you are saying that:

- camera is off

- you insert card that was formatted on PC

- you turn on camera and ....

Click to expand...

The Olympus (!) camera pauses, then displays the capacity for stills and the time available for video in the format chosen. I then record stills and videos as per usual. The screen shots below show a card that I long-formatted before I started using it, because it lived in Graham's Olympus SZ-30MR, and THEN in his Panasonic TZ80 before.

Viewing the Olympus camera via USB on my laptop displays the DCIM folder, and opening that shows the 100OLYMP folder:

Switching cards between Olympus models is the one instance where the camera will NOT re-format the card automatically. My SH-2 may try to read the card previously in Graham's SZ-30MR, but may display errors for the SZ-30MR images. (Having seen this on older Olympus models, I did the PC long-formatting on auto-pilot.)

With Graham's Panasonic TZ80 I use a 64GB SDXC card. I Iong-formatted it in my laptop, because it lived in my Olympus SH-2 before - and that was my reasoning for clearing the card completely, by long-formatting. In the laptop after two weeks' use, this card displays three folders: DCIM, MISC, and PRIVATE:

DCIM contains the 100_PANA folder. In Large View I see pictures I have taken in it. Opening the 100_PANA folder shows the pictures I have not deleted yet:

MISC contains 'AUTOPLAY3.MRK', PRIVATE has two folder: AVCHD and PANA_GRP, which I have not investigated further.

In the camera, pushing the 'display' button allows me to look at the pictures in turn. Only one image is shown for each JPEG RAW pair.

Connecting the TZ80 via USB rings the bell on the laptop to indicate that the laptop has seen the camera. Pressing the display button, the LCD first informs me that the camera is not charging, then says "Connecting to the PC'. The laptop shows 'LUMIX (H down the left side, and the same three directories shown in the first screen shot. These open the same way as they do with the card in the laptop.

HOWEVER: The first thing I did after switching the TZ80 on after PC long-formatting, was to use the Panasonic formatting procedure.

Not knowing much yet about Panasonic cameras, I did NOT rely on the TZ80 formatting automatically, which all the Olympus cameras I own are doing.

What else can I do to show that long-formatting in the PC neither damages the card nor the camera it is then used in?

Thanks for your detailed answer.

Henry, I don't think anyone is suggesting that your process damages the card.

If it works for you - good. Its good to share what works.

Henry Falkner said:
I do stress that the way the card comes out of the PC is as a drive with nothing on it. It MUST be formatted in the camera afterwards. I can only claim that Olympus cameras do this automatically after switch-on. I have no experience with other brands.

This takes me back to my question:

- camera is off

- you insert card that was formatted on PC

- you turn on camera and a message appears on screen automatically, informing you that card is being formatted?

******* camera is off and not connected to PC **********

In other words - what indicates to you that Olympus is reformatting / has reformatted the card?

Henry Falkner said:
The TZ80 belongs to my friend Graham, who happens to be the radio club president I have to work with as the editor of the club newsletter. I will NOT take unnecessary risks with his camera.

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Henry Falkner · Apr 11, 2017

AccidntlTourist said:
Henry Falkner said:

AccidntlTourist said:

So Henry, you are saying that:

- camera is off

- you insert card that was formatted on PC

- you turn on camera and ....

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The Olympus (!) camera pauses, then displays the capacity for stills and the time available for video in the format chosen.

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Thanks for your detailed answer.

Henry, I don't think anyone is suggesting that your process damages the card.

If it works for you - good. Its good to share what works.

AccidntlTourist said:

I do stress that the way the card comes out of the PC is as a drive with nothing on it. It MUST be formatted in the camera afterwards. I can only claim that Olympus cameras do this automatically after switch-on. I have no experience with other brands.

Click to expand...

This takes me back to my question:

- camera is off

- you insert card that was formatted on PC

- you turn on camera and a message appears on screen automatically, informing you that card is being formatted?

******* camera is off and not connected to PC **********

In other words - what indicates to you that Olympus is reformatting / has reformatted the card?

In other words, if the camera works, it has formatted the card. If the camera does not work, it has rejected, and not formatted the card.

None of my cards slow-formatted in the PC have ever been rejected.

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donaldsc · Apr 12, 2017

AccidntlTourist said:
I may not be of much help, but until someone else comes along . . .

Windows 10 is still fairly new. I wonder if there is a compatibility issue.

I would try opening the files in another viewer; whatever came with your camera or Olympus Viewer (I don't know if it supports your camera; probably does).

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