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Hi all,

How would it be possible to have an "open forum" about photography and not have it tread into politics and religion etc???
Photography that doesn't spur on conversation?... boring!

I have been blasted for political slant in threads before and I love it.This kind of debate can be very healthy and I say let it all out... lets hear it. Those who don't want to participate don't have to.

I would stop taking photo's if I didn't think that it would make people think/talk.

What a picture says and how it affects people is what it's all about, not what shutter speed it was taken at.

2012... into the fourth dimension.

Jason
 
And about your post... i do think that photographs should spur conversation... but thats not an excuse for a bad photograph :)
 
jason irwin said:
Hi all,

How would it be possible to have an "open forum" about photography
and not have it tread into politics and religion etc???
Photography that doesn't spur on conversation?... boring!
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LOL....it's like a bunch of people have already said, I love the controversy....it's why I post the way I do. And, it's why I make such a "big deal" out of things. It's fun to read how people will react to things. AND, it's fun to play around with people who are hyper politcal and hyper religious, because they spout off about things like no other. I never would have continued my posts if I hadn't wanted the controversy. I had thought about leaving the group for good, as I posted.....but, I really don't see a need for that. It would be much more fun to stick around and have people hate me, no? lol....just kidding. Don't take everything I say so seriously. You will end up mad at me MOST of the time if you take me seriously all the time....
jason irwin said:
I have been blasted for political slant in threads before and I
love it.This kind of debate can be very healthy and I say let it
all out... lets hear it. Those who don't want to participate don't
have to.

I would stop taking photo's if I didn't think that it would make
people think/talk.
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Yeah, I agree. But......sometimes, it's not worth talking to some people.
Period...
jason irwin said:
What a picture says and how it affects people is what it's all
about, not what shutter speed it was taken at.
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Well, apparantly thats NOT true, because people sure do RIP a pic to shreds if it's not "technically correct". Like that even matters. Some of the most horrible photographs in the world are the ones that MAKE you think. A well posed portrait shot with perfect studio ligthing rarely evokes much emotion from me, other than a yawn. But, that's just me.
 
Not like anyone will be reading this since this thred is a bit old, but wow, when reading the responses I realize how lucky us Canadians are when getting a chance to witness American internal conflict. I mean, we get to see how hilarious Americans can be with regards to their country.

Maybe laughing at yourselves a bit more might be more benefitial from time to time. I mean, it works for us Canadians.

I like the pictures... I'd like to see her in a canadian flag, with some maple syrup! :)
Chris L. Cook said:
jason irwin said:
Hi all,

How would it be possible to have an "open forum" about photography
and not have it tread into politics and religion etc???
Photography that doesn't spur on conversation?... boring!
Click to expand...
LOL....it's like a bunch of people have already said, I love the
controversy....it's why I post the way I do. And, it's why I make
such a "big deal" out of things. It's fun to read how people will
react to things. AND, it's fun to play around with people who are
hyper politcal and hyper religious, because they spout off about
things like no other. I never would have continued my posts if I
hadn't wanted the controversy. I had thought about leaving the
group for good, as I posted.....but, I really don't see a need for
that. It would be much more fun to stick around and have people
hate me, no? lol....just kidding. Don't take everything I say so
seriously. You will end up mad at me MOST of the time if you take
me seriously all the time....
Chris L. Cook said:
I have been blasted for political slant in threads before and I
love it.This kind of debate can be very healthy and I say let it
all out... lets hear it. Those who don't want to participate don't
have to.

I would stop taking photo's if I didn't think that it would make
people think/talk.
Click to expand...
Yeah, I agree. But......sometimes, it's not worth talking to some
people.
Period...
Chris L. Cook said:
What a picture says and how it affects people is what it's all
about, not what shutter speed it was taken at.
Click to expand...
Well, apparantly thats NOT true, because people sure do RIP a pic
to shreds if it's not "technically correct". Like that even
matters. Some of the most horrible photographs in the world are the
ones that MAKE you think. A well posed portrait shot with perfect
studio ligthing rarely evokes much emotion from me, other than a
yawn. But, that's just me.
Click to expand...
 
Gillis Danielsen said:
And about your post... i do think that photographs should spur
conversation... but thats not an excuse for a bad photograph :)
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Okay! I'll bite. Why does photography need to spur conversation. I don't remember that being part of my education. Photo Journalism records events but I don't remember conversation being a part of the process.

Why can't photography just record the event and let people talk, off line? Why this need to stir the pot of controversy. I suppose that if I posted thoughts of my socially conservative background it would be well received? Of course it wouldn't. So why should others of the socially liberal thinking expect their conversation be received with anything but and equal and opposite conversation.

When a person, knowingly posts an image that is going to stir the pot, then they're just a trouble maker, not a thought provoker. If you want to stimulate thought, at least make the thought you want to provoke be original, not just an attempt of in your face photoagraphy.

Maybe conservatives, that's me, should start posting pics that those on the left would consider hateful. Would that be right? Of course not and that's how I view hateful images from the left; hateful and nothing more.

People. Try being original if you want to invoke though. Try working at it if you want to make a statement. Try not beating a dead horse, if you will.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
 
Chris L. Cook said:
LOL....it's like a bunch of people have already said, I love the
controversy....it's why I post the way I do. And, it's why I make
such a "big deal" out of things. It's fun to read how people will
react to things. AND, it's fun to play around with people who are
hyper politcal and hyper religious, because they spout off about
things like no other. I never would have continued my posts if I
hadn't wanted the controversy. I had thought about leaving the
group for good, as I posted.....but, I really don't see a need for
that. It would be much more fun to stick around and have people
hate me, no? lol....just kidding. Don't take everything I say so
seriously. You will end up mad at me MOST of the time if you take
me seriously all the time....
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It's always nice to see that some have risen to the level of childish behavior. Upsetting people, intentionally belies an immature, inconsiderate ego.

Your comments above don't flatter you and they bust you for the person you really are.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
 
My "ego"?

Look, Thomas....I have already admitted that the three photos posted here aren't "good" photos, in fact I said that they "suck".

Does that sound like I have an ego about them?

I told you already, the main reason I posted them to begin with is because I feel Sonya is a very beautiful woman. Maybe I'm wrong, but....that really is of no issue to me.

Chris
Thomas Gardner said:
Thomas Gardner said:
A "bad" photograph is in the eye of the beholder, and MOST critics
are full of it (and themselves). So, take that for what it's
worth....
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Sorry Chris, there is such a thing as bad photography, even if your
ego dosn't want to see it.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
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You are such a hypocrite, Thomas......You are the SAME as me, but in the opposite direction. You take morality and straight-laced behavior to an extreme, and you LOVE the controversy as much as I do, or you would have shut up a LONG time ago. You are beating a dead horse like no one I have ever seen. But, that's fine....if you want to be captain normality, then feel free.

Chris
Thomas Gardner said:
Chris L. Cook said:
LOL....it's like a bunch of people have already said, I love the
controversy....it's why I post the way I do. And, it's why I make
such a "big deal" out of things. It's fun to read how people will
react to things. AND, it's fun to play around with people who are
hyper politcal and hyper religious, because they spout off about
things like no other. I never would have continued my posts if I
hadn't wanted the controversy. I had thought about leaving the
group for good, as I posted.....but, I really don't see a need for
that. It would be much more fun to stick around and have people
hate me, no? lol....just kidding. Don't take everything I say so
seriously. You will end up mad at me MOST of the time if you take
me seriously all the time....
Click to expand...
It's always nice to see that some have risen to the level of
childish behavior. Upsetting people, intentionally belies an
immature, inconsiderate ego.

Your comments above don't flatter you and they bust you for the
person you really are.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
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Yes, I think no flag and some maple syrup would be just fine. :)

I wonder what all the "Ethical Flag Code" people thought about the fine young soldier who decided that the statue of Sadamm could use an American Flag headband as they were tearing it down. I more enjoy seeing the flag in the context of seduction than military **** waving.
Make love not war as they say.
Oh, and to the guy who keeps saying your photo's suck... maybe they do.

Lets see the photo's he took when he was "learning" photography... or was he born an artist and didn't have to experiment and practice like the rest of us.

I find it hard to believe that a guy in "Photo Journalism" says that a photo should not spur conversation or thought.
Seems lilke your photos have spurred on all sorts of conversation.

L8TR

Jason
Chris L. Cook said:
Chris
Thomas Gardner said:
Chris L. Cook said:
LOL....it's like a bunch of people have already said, I love the
controversy....it's why I post the way I do. And, it's why I make
such a "big deal" out of things. It's fun to read how people will
react to things. AND, it's fun to play around with people who are
hyper politcal and hyper religious, because they spout off about
things like no other. I never would have continued my posts if I
hadn't wanted the controversy. I had thought about leaving the
group for good, as I posted.....but, I really don't see a need for
that. It would be much more fun to stick around and have people
hate me, no? lol....just kidding. Don't take everything I say so
seriously. You will end up mad at me MOST of the time if you take
me seriously all the time....
Click to expand...
It's always nice to see that some have risen to the level of
childish behavior. Upsetting people, intentionally belies an
immature, inconsiderate ego.

Your comments above don't flatter you and they bust you for the
person you really are.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
Click to expand...
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I agree, about the syrup, AND the photos.

I do get frustrated sometimes though, and want to give up when I but heads against someone like Thomas, but....I decided to stick around. See, when I said that I love to spur discussions, and i like to elicit a response from people, he called me "immature", and said that it showed what kind of person I am. But, I agree with you TOTALLY, how can you be a "photo journalist" and NOT want to spur conversations with your work?

And, seriously, there have been MANY MANY MANY MANY pictures posted in here over time that show MUCH worse use of the Flag than I could ever post, and very few of them even caught a second glance. It made me wonder why people chose to explode about my pics? I figured maybe they just don't like women? lol....

Seriously though, it is good to see someone that isn't totally against me on this topic.

Thanks for the reply,

Chris
jason irwin said:
Yes, I think no flag and some maple syrup would be just fine. :)

I wonder what all the "Ethical Flag Code" people thought about the
fine young soldier who decided that the statue of Sadamm could use
an American Flag headband as they were tearing it down. I more
enjoy seeing the flag in the context of seduction than military
**** waving.
Make love not war as they say.
Oh, and to the guy who keeps saying your photo's suck... maybe they
do.
Lets see the photo's he took when he was "learning" photography...
or was he born an artist and didn't have to experiment and practice
like the rest of us.
I find it hard to believe that a guy in "Photo Journalism" says
that a photo should not spur conversation or thought.
Seems lilke your photos have spurred on all sorts of conversation.

L8TR

Jason
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......... the French know how to wear a national flag.

The Irish fly more "Stares and Stripes" on our own national holiday than our own tricolour or trick’olor probably because we are ashamed of the blood and adoption of it by terrorists.

But the American flag is a symbol to the world and I’m with the French view where a pretty girl wears the flag as her only protector.
 
davidroy said:
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a
fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way,
preferably by burning
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..................... so actually buring the flag when it is in enemy hands is the right thing to do then. Cool! ;))
 
Disclaimer: This is my view which some may be offended by. If that's a problem for you, don't read on.

However, just because this is my view doesn't mean it isn't true.

I would like to say that I find flag etiquette to be quite silly. To whit:

1. I honor and respect the causes of what has given me the life I enjoy today, in every moment that I can.

2. I do so by living my life in the best way I can manage. To do less is really to dishonor one's parents and causes.

3. Just because other Americans or my grandparents think flag etiquette is important, does not mean that, if I disagree, I'm dishonoring them or America in general.

4. Flag etiquette is an essentially meaningless ritual and tradition (like all rituals and traditions are). It only means something because some humans place value and attachment upon it. Logically, there is no practical reason to follow flag etiquette.

5. If I follow something that is essentially a meaningless ritual or tradition, I am not doing the most I can with my life in this way. Therefore I dishonor my parents and my causes with my actions. Likewise if I disdain such practices, I think I am making a small contribution to what is valuable in the world (i.e. truth).

6. The yardstick of what is "good" should never be determined by how old something is, or how ingrained it is in the minds of people. The only yardstick of good should be whether it makes sense, and whether it is beneficial to the world overall.

Some may find this post as trolling, flame-bait, or otherwise antagonistic. To those who see it that way: please consider that the reason you see it in that way, is because of your attachment to a ritual that in itself has no practical value or worth. It's only because you want it to have meaning, that it has any meaning at all.

If you're not offended by this post, then in my view, you have at least a little of what I find valuable within you. I think patriotism is limited because it restricts one's assignment of value to just a part of the world (and thus NOT to the remainder in equal portion). It's better to give your goodwill to everything without restriction.

Joel
 
Jason,

Obviously, I can't speak for what "all the Ethical Flag Code people" thought but I can tell you that I thought it was in bad taste and from what I understand he was told to remove it almost as soon as he had put it up there in all the excitement that was going on around him. Obviously thoughtless but in the context of the moment, a young Marine getting caught up in the celebratory mood, understandable. It was a spontaneous reaction on his part, not quite the same as we have discussed in here.
jason irwin said:
I wonder what all the "Ethical Flag Code" people thought about the
fine young soldier who decided that the statue of Sadamm could use
an American Flag headband as they were tearing it down. I more
enjoy seeing the flag in the context of seduction than military
**** waving.
Make love not war as they say.
Oh, and to the guy who keeps saying your photo's suck... maybe they
do.
Lets see the photo's he took when he was "learning" photography...
or was he born an artist and didn't have to experiment and practice
like the rest of us.
I find it hard to believe that a guy in "Photo Journalism" says
that a photo should not spur conversation or thought.
Seems lilke your photos have spurred on all sorts of conversation.

L8TR

Jason
Chris L. Cook said:
Chris
Thomas Gardner said:
Chris L. Cook said:
LOL....it's like a bunch of people have already said, I love the
controversy....it's why I post the way I do. And, it's why I make
such a "big deal" out of things. It's fun to read how people will
react to things. AND, it's fun to play around with people who are
hyper politcal and hyper religious, because they spout off about
things like no other. I never would have continued my posts if I
hadn't wanted the controversy. I had thought about leaving the
group for good, as I posted.....but, I really don't see a need for
that. It would be much more fun to stick around and have people
hate me, no? lol....just kidding. Don't take everything I say so
seriously. You will end up mad at me MOST of the time if you take
me seriously all the time....
Click to expand...
It's always nice to see that some have risen to the level of
childish behavior. Upsetting people, intentionally belies an
immature, inconsiderate ego.

Your comments above don't flatter you and they bust you for the
person you really are.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
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--
DavidRoy
 
Hey, Joel...I agree with you totally. And, I think my mistake was assuming that MORE people would feel the way we do.

And, it's hard for me to be sympathetic when people try to force their views on me. That, I think, is my biggest problem in this area.

I still say it's all in the intent. Someone protesting America on television by burning a flag just to show how much they hate us.....ok, that's bad. I can see people becoming enraged about that.

A stripper wearing red white and blue panties....well, that doesn't bother me so much. ;)

It's just in the intent...if NO harm was meant, then none was done...and, I can't see why it would have to be discussed so much. But, again....I digress.

I agree with you Joel, and I thank you for your well thought out post.

Chris
 
jason irwin said:
I wonder what all the "Ethical Flag Code" people thought about the
fine young soldier who decided that the statue of Sadamm could use
an American Flag headband as they were tearing it down.
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What they thought. The image was beamed to HQ, real time and it took less then fifteen minutes for the order to come back to remove the flag.

So they thought little of his action and he was brought on the carpet for his error of judgement.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
 
maybe.... it was just an observation/question.

I think we should have a flag that represents the world or the planet.
That would be the only one I fly... oh and one for the maple leafs!

Jason
Thomas Gardner said:
jason irwin said:
I wonder what all the "Ethical Flag Code" people thought about the
fine young soldier who decided that the statue of Sadamm could use
an American Flag headband as they were tearing it down.
Click to expand...
What they thought. The image was beamed to HQ, real time and it
took less then fifteen minutes for the order to come back to remove
the flag.

So they thought little of his action and he was brought on the
carpet for his error of judgement.

--
If you don't want to believe me, ignore me:-)
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