I need the SDQ-H to produce equal to these

simontramper · Mar 26, 2017

First off i am not a pro or claim anything like that but as Samsung is dead and i really want to go to move to Sigma i thought i would show some of my work and ask if the Foveon sensor can produce the same or better ,I know these can be picked apart that is not what i am after what i want is to produce better images without the need to sell a major organ or two, thank you.

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mike earussi · Mar 26, 2017

Beautiful work.

The skill of the photographer is more important than which camera he uses.

So why Sigma? What makes you think you can't get the equivalent quality from any number of cameras?

mdavidp · Mar 26, 2017

Yes.

Get the H and some great glass.

I too owned the NX1 and the nx30 and the nx300.

When Samsung abandoned us I sold out and came to Sigma.

Many of the features the NX1 had you'll not find in any Sigma cameras.

However, the Foveon sensor beats the Samsung sensor mightily.

And that's the game.

Mike P

simontramper · Mar 26, 2017

mike earussi said:
Beautiful work.

The skill of the photographer is more important than which camera he uses.

So why Sigma? What makes you think you can't get the equivalent quality from any number of cameras?

A lot has to do with image quality against cost , ie going full frame ,cost of camera and lens selection also personal choice it was 50/50 when i started doing photography if i would go for Sigma then. Sigma however gives me the lens choice and allows me to keep my kidney and a camera that as far as i have seen on here can give me the images i want .

simontramper · Mar 26, 2017

mdavidp said:
Yes.

Get the H and some great glass.

I too owned the NX1 and the nx30 and the nx300.

When Samsung abandoned us I sold out and came to Sigma.

Many of the features the NX1 had you'll not find in any Sigma cameras.

However, the Foveon sensor beats the Samsung sensor mightily.

And that's the game.

Mike P

Cheers Mike , still love my NX1 but dead is dead , my choice is SDQ-H and the 18-35 and 50-100

Scottelly · Mar 26, 2017

It seems to me that you're looking for great dynamic range in a single photo. Have you tried the Nikon D750? It's not much more than the Sigma SD Quattro H, and it should have a dramatically greater dynamic range. It will operate much faster and do video too. I'm even considering that camera myself, though I don't think it will provide me with the detail that I would like in my photos. I love Nikon's 24-120mm f4 VR lens and the fold-out screen of that D750 body though, so after I get the Sigma SD Quattro H for ultimate resolution, that could be my next camera. I wish it was a 50 MP camera though, like the Canon 5 Ds, and I wish it had GPS and IBIS (in body image stabilization), like my Sony A65 has. Fast live-view focusing, like my Sony A65 and the Canon 70 D (and some other Canons) would be nice too. Maybe that will happen some day.

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simontramper · Mar 27, 2017

Scottelly said:
It seems to me that you're looking for great dynamic range in a single photo. Have you tried the Nikon D750? It's not much more than the Sigma SD Quattro H, and it should have a dramatically greater dynamic range. It will operate much faster and do video too. I'm even considering that camera myself, though I don't think it will provide me with the detail that I would like in my photos. I love Nikon's 24-120mm f4 VR lens and the fold-out screen of that D750 body though, so after I get the Sigma SD Quattro H for ultimate resolution, that could be my next camera. I wish it was a 50 MP camera though, like the Canon 5 Ds, and I wish it had GPS and IBIS (in body image stabilization), like my Sony A65 has. Fast live-view focusing, like my Sony A65 and the Canon 70 D (and some other Canons) would be nice too. Maybe that will happen some day.

lesnapanda · Mar 27, 2017

First off - beautiful pictures. It does not seem to me that you need a better camera. Perhaps just use the money for traveling with your existing equipment?

As for your question - I don't have the H, but I have some experience with Sigma cameras, so... you might ask yourself these questions:

- do I need to go beyond base ISO in my work? I see that your pictures were taken at ISO 100-125, but you know your portfolio better.

- do I push the files a lot in post?

- astrophotography is something that I'd like to try?

- are Sigma lenses enough for me and within my budget?

- do I have the patience of a monk in order not to commit suicide in front of SPP software? (this can partially be translated to: "do I shoot a lot?")

- is RAW-only a viable option for my work?

I hope to be able to afford a new camera by end of this year. The 3 cameras that I currently consider are the SD quattro, the H and Pentax K-1. If only Sigma made pentax mount lenses (they stopped), I would take the K-1. Now the regular SDQ has access to the two great Sigma APS-C zoom lenses (18-35 and 50-100). For the H I haven't seen convincing evidence that the camera can use the lenses without visible loss of image quality. So you would need to use the full frame lenses from Sigma. In the long run this means that you are not going to really have any savigs. Also considering that SA mount lenses are more expensive than CaNikon versions (lower volume, lesser stores have them), the price difference between FF from CaNikon and Sigma H is not so big.

simontramper · Mar 27, 2017

lesnapanda said:
First off - beautiful pictures. It does not seem to me that you need a better camera. Perhaps just use the money for traveling with your existing equipment?

As for your question - I don't have the H, but I have some experience with Sigma cameras, so... you might ask yourself these questions:

- do I need to go beyond base ISO in my work? I see that your pictures were taken at ISO 100-125, but you know your portfolio better.

- do I push the files a lot in post?

- astrophotography is something that I'd like to try?

- are Sigma lenses enough for me and within my budget?

- do I have the patience of a monk in order not to commit suicide in front of SPP software? (this can partially be translated to: "do I shoot a lot?")

- is RAW-only a viable option for my work?

I hope to be able to afford a new camera by end of this year. The 3 cameras that I currently consider are the SD quattro, the H and Pentax K-1. If only Sigma made pentax mount lenses (they stopped), I would take the K-1. Now the regular SDQ has access to the two great Sigma APS-C zoom lenses (18-35 and 50-100). For the H I haven't seen convincing evidence that the camera can use the lenses without visible loss of image quality. So you would need to use the full frame lenses from Sigma. In the long run this means that you are not going to really have any savigs. Also considering that SA mount lenses are more expensive than CaNikon versions (lower volume, lesser stores have them), the price difference between FF from CaNikon and Sigma H is not so big.

Thank you , yes I don't go beyond base ISO , the H gives me access to DNG and Lightroom I have looked at images from the H on the 18-35 and cannot see anything to put me off , however if a 16-35 full frame came along I would be tempted , I find it hard to pay out for full frame glass and only use half of it . You have given me food for thought , Sony A7r was an option we will see what cost the new 16-35 G master comes out at .

Jozef M · Mar 27, 2017

Well, I don't think the SDQ-H can produce such land and seascapes. Too limited DR from the sensor. Don't underestimate this, you have to be so carefull, I have had many times blown out skies with my Merill camera.
How are you going to braquet those seascapes and have pixel sharpness? And it has to be very quiet, no wind at all for braqueting, you have to lug around a good tripod. It has to be perfect conditions all the time to go photographing (I don't when it's too windy).
I think too that a Nikon FF camera will be a much better option to do such landscapes.

But I think you've made up your mind allready and seek confirmation here ...

Jozef.

Marco Dadone · Mar 27, 2017

Woa.... looking at the answers You got I was going to be depressed.

Why think (and write) that Sigma cameras can not even take sunset or dawn landscape photographs? Because that's the point.

The question about DR is not the problem. Just get some good ND filters (which You would need anyway to do decent landscape photography, and You do good beautiful images).

Don't want to appear pretentious, but just have a look at my entire portfolio: I almost always shoot at low lights, and the recent images with the 12-24 art show that a foveon sensor with a good lens (and appropriate ND grad filters) can shoot straight into the sun with beautiful results.

So my advice is:

if You want to stay on the cheapest side, take a DP 0 Quattro and some filters, You'll be surprised and amazed by the sharpness and the IQ You get at pixel-level.

Then, if You want to do something more, take a sd1 Merrill or a SD quattro (the H is not that different compared to the base-model), a "art" lens and appropriate filters.

Hope it helps,

marco

D Cox · Mar 27, 2017

simontramper said:
Scottelly said:

It seems to me that you're looking for great dynamic range in a single photo. Have you tried the Nikon D750? It's not much more than the Sigma SD Quattro H, and it should have a dramatically greater dynamic range. It will operate much faster and do video too. I'm even considering that camera myself, though I don't think it will provide me with the detail that I would like in my photos. I love Nikon's 24-120mm f4 VR lens and the fold-out screen of that D750 body though, so after I get the Sigma SD Quattro H for ultimate resolution, that could be my next camera. I wish it was a 50 MP camera though, like the Canon 5 Ds, and I wish it had GPS and IBIS (in body image stabilization), like my Sony A65 has. Fast live-view focusing, like my Sony A65 and the Canon 70 D (and some other Canons) would be nice too. Maybe that will happen some day.

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simontramper · Mar 27, 2017

Jozef M said:
Well, I don't think the SDQ-H can produce such land and seascapes. Too limited DR from the sensor. Don't underestimate this, you have to be so carefull, I have had many times blown out skies with my Merill camera.
How are you going to braquet those seascapes and have pixel sharpness? And it has to be very quiet, no wind at all for braqueting, you have to lug around a good tripod. It has to be perfect conditions all the time to go photographing (I don't when it's too windy).
I think too that a Nikon FF camera will be a much better option to do such landscapes.

But I think you've made up your mind allready and seek confirmation here ...

Jozef.

Many thanks I am seeking the knowledge of those that use the cameras , I did have my mind made up but it isn't fully made up and I have to say lack of DR is becoming an issue

D Cox · Mar 27, 2017

simontramper said:
lesnapanda said:

First off - beautiful pictures. It does not seem to me that you need a better camera. Perhaps just use the money for traveling with your existing equipment?

As for your question - I don't have the H, but I have some experience with Sigma cameras, so... you might ask yourself these questions:

- do I need to go beyond base ISO in my work? I see that your pictures were taken at ISO 100-125, but you know your portfolio better.

- do I push the files a lot in post?

- astrophotography is something that I'd like to try?

- are Sigma lenses enough for me and within my budget?

- do I have the patience of a monk in order not to commit suicide in front of SPP software? (this can partially be translated to: "do I shoot a lot?")

- is RAW-only a viable option for my work?

I hope to be able to afford a new camera by end of this year. The 3 cameras that I currently consider are the SD quattro, the H and Pentax K-1. If only Sigma made pentax mount lenses (they stopped), I would take the K-1. Now the regular SDQ has access to the two great Sigma APS-C zoom lenses (18-35 and 50-100). For the H I haven't seen convincing evidence that the camera can use the lenses without visible loss of image quality. So you would need to use the full frame lenses from Sigma. In the long run this means that you are not going to really have any savigs. Also considering that SA mount lenses are more expensive than CaNikon versions (lower volume, lesser stores have them), the price difference between FF from CaNikon and Sigma H is not so big.

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Thank you , yes I don't go beyond base ISO , the H gives me access to DNG and Lightroom I have looked at images from the H on the 18-35 and cannot see anything to put me off , however if a 16-35 full frame came along I would be tempted , I find it hard to pay out for full frame glass and only use half of it . You have given me food for thought , Sony A7r was an option we will see what cost the new 16-35 G master comes out at .

Don't go near the original A7r. The A7r2 is a great camera, but expensive.

simontramper · Mar 27, 2017

marcodadofoto said:
Woa.... looking at the answers You got I was going to be depressed.

Why think (and write) that Sigma cameras can not even take sunset or dawn landscape photographs? Because that's the point.

The question about DR is not the problem. Just get some good ND filters (which You would need anyway to do decent landscape photography, and You do good beautiful images).

Don't want to appear pretentious, but just have a look at my entire portfolio: I almost always shoot at low lights, and the recent images with the 12-24 art show that a foveon sensor with a good lens (and appropriate ND grad filters) can shoot straight into the sun with beautiful results.

So my advice is:

if You want to stay on the cheapest side, take a DP 0 Quattro and some filters, You'll be surprised and amazed by the sharpness and the IQ You get at pixel-level.

Then, if You want to do something more, take a sd1 Merrill or a SD quattro (the H is not that different compared to the base-model), a "art" lens and appropriate filters.

Hope it helps,

marco

I have an Induro tripod and good Vu-sion filters I am still torn on which way to jump Sony or Sigma which why I came to you guys for advice .

simontramper · Mar 27, 2017

D Cox said:
simontramper said:

lesnapanda said:

First off - beautiful pictures. It does not seem to me that you need a better camera. Perhaps just use the money for traveling with your existing equipment?

As for your question - I don't have the H, but I have some experience with Sigma cameras, so... you might ask yourself these questions:

- do I need to go beyond base ISO in my work? I see that your pictures were taken at ISO 100-125, but you know your portfolio better.

- do I push the files a lot in post?

- astrophotography is something that I'd like to try?

- are Sigma lenses enough for me and within my budget?

- do I have the patience of a monk in order not to commit suicide in front of SPP software? (this can partially be translated to: "do I shoot a lot?")

- is RAW-only a viable option for my work?

I hope to be able to afford a new camera by end of this year. The 3 cameras that I currently consider are the SD quattro, the H and Pentax K-1. If only Sigma made pentax mount lenses (they stopped), I would take the K-1. Now the regular SDQ has access to the two great Sigma APS-C zoom lenses (18-35 and 50-100). For the H I haven't seen convincing evidence that the camera can use the lenses without visible loss of image quality. So you would need to use the full frame lenses from Sigma. In the long run this means that you are not going to really have any savigs. Also considering that SA mount lenses are more expensive than CaNikon versions (lower volume, lesser stores have them), the price difference between FF from CaNikon and Sigma H is not so big.

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Thank you , yes I don't go beyond base ISO , the H gives me access to DNG and Lightroom I have looked at images from the H on the 18-35 and cannot see anything to put me off , however if a 16-35 full frame came along I would be tempted , I find it hard to pay out for full frame glass and only use half of it . You have given me food for thought , Sony A7r was an option we will see what cost the new 16-35 G master comes out at .

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Don't go near the original A7r. The A7r2 is a great camera, but expensive.

Need the price to drop a little

lesnapanda · Mar 27, 2017

simontramper said:
Thank you , yes I don't go beyond base ISO , the H gives me access to DNG and Lightroom I have looked at images from the H on the 18-35 and cannot see anything to put me off

Oh, I don't know about those DNG files, but if they really contain 100% of the original RAW data, than indeed - the H has a major advantage over the standard model as you can forget about SPP. Also - interesting to learn about the 18-35 working fine with the H. Would have expected heavy vignetting (which given how little you can push shadows from Sigma files could potentially be an issue for landscapes). Great news.

mike earussi · Mar 27, 2017

simontramper said:
mike earussi said:

Beautiful work.

The skill of the photographer is more important than which camera he uses.

So why Sigma? What makes you think you can't get the equivalent quality from any number of cameras?

Click to expand...

A lot has to do with image quality against cost , ie going full frame ,cost of camera and lens selection also personal choice it was 50/50 when i started doing photography if i would go for Sigma then. Sigma however gives me the lens choice and allows me to keep my kidney and a camera that as far as i have seen on here can give me the images i want .

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon-nx/
Trying to capture the images i see around me.

Good points. The lack of a large DR and shadow noise are going to be the H's main drawbacks. But a good set of nd grads can help on both.

Marco Dadone · Mar 27, 2017

If You take Sony You ll be happy as it s more versatile. But if You take Sigma, You wont be passing to Sony. Foveon does give a strange kind of addiction.

simontramper · Mar 27, 2017

marcodadofoto said:
If You take Sony You ll be happy as it s more versatile. But if You take Sigma, You wont be passing to Sony. Foveon does give a strange kind of addiction.

Don't want versatile just want an excellent landscape camera

I need the SDQ-H to produce equal to these

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