1DXMKII - Blue & Purple Stripes - Rt. Side Frame

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Hi,

I started editing Fashion Week and notice there are BLUE and PURPLE stripes that are isolated to just the right side of my frame to about 80% of my pictures with my 1DXMKII my 1DX did not have this issue.

Doe anyone know why the camera is doing this?

Here is an example:

Thank you!

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What kind of lighting?
 
Hi,

I started editing Fashion Week and notice there are BLUE and PURPLE stripes that are isolated to just the right side of my frame to about 80% of my pictures with my 1DXMKII my 1DX did not have this issue.

Doe anyone know why the camera is doing this?

Here is an example:

Thank you!

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More of same if it helps.



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What kind of lighting?

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If it helps, the back wall at 5500 to 5700 had "Perfect" WB.

Blake this was pretty spot on, if you look at her skin at 5700K, I cropped out the right side of the frame. The Apha's were set for 5600K but I warmed things up and went to 5700 on the back wall

Blake this was pretty spot on, if you look at her skin at 5700K, I cropped out the right side of the frame. The Apha's were set for 5600K but I warmed things up and went to 5700 on the back wall

Blake Alpha 18K's were used... http://www.k5600.com/products/alpha18k/index.html

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What kind of lighting?

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Blake in Vancouver
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Again.... Only 80% were ruined. 20% were keepers!

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Is the problem just with this venue or have you had the same problem elsewhere?

I can't help but think its somehow related to the frequency of the venue's lighting or yours.

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Knowing how screwy the lighting can be at these shows, I wonder if there aren't some LED lights on the side. Some of those damn things can cause pretty radical and erratic color shifts, though Canon's new anti-flicker tech is supposed to help on recent bodies.

I'd check your camera against a scene that you know is normally lit and see if the bars still show--possibly nothing to do with your camera. Good luck!
 
Hi,

I started editing Fashion Week and notice there are BLUE and PURPLE stripes that are isolated to just the right side of my frame to about 80% of my pictures with my 1DXMKII my 1DX did not have this issue.

Doe anyone know why the camera is doing this?

Here is an example:

Thank you!

56cbdb3dd1e24f7399071dd3f92eb398.jpg


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Feel Always Humble - "FAH" - You'll Learn More
http://www.kissmykite.com
More





What a shame!! How is it the 1DXMKII has the banding but the 1DX does not????

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Hi,

I started editing Fashion Week and notice there are BLUE and PURPLE stripes that are isolated to just the right side of my frame to about 80% of my pictures with my 1DXMKII my 1DX did not have this issue.

Doe anyone know why the camera is doing this?

Here is an example:

Thank you!

56cbdb3dd1e24f7399071dd3f92eb398.jpg


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Feel Always Humble - "FAH" - You'll Learn More
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I can't figure this out.....   Very very difficult to edit this stuff out.  Why it's only on the right hand side of the frame on the 1DX MKII is beyond me.

I can't figure this out..... Very very difficult to edit this stuff out. Why it's only on the right hand side of the frame on the 1DX MKII is beyond me.



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Hi,

I started editing Fashion Week and notice there are BLUE and PURPLE stripes that are isolated to just the right side of my frame to about 80% of my pictures with my 1DXMKII my 1DX did not have this issue.

Doe anyone know why the camera is doing this?

Here is an example:

Thank you!

56cbdb3dd1e24f7399071dd3f92eb398.jpg


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Feel Always Humble - "FAH" - You'll Learn More
http://www.kissmykite.com
I can't figure this out..... Very very difficult to edit this stuff out. Why it's only on the right hand side of the frame on the 1DX MKII is beyond me.

I can't figure this out..... Very very difficult to edit this stuff out. Why it's only on the right hand side of the frame on the 1DX MKII is beyond me.

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Feel Always Humble - "FAH" - You'll Learn More
http://www.kissmykite.com
Note that the streaks only extend down over the background--not on the runway itself. I'm pretty sure this is a lighting issue, not a camera issue.

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Is not the camera ... is the shutter speed ... the ones over 1/320 ... led lighting in the back or equivalent ... at 1/400 you start noticing the flicker :)
 
Hi,

I started editing Fashion Week and notice there are BLUE and PURPLE stripes that are isolated to just the right side of my frame to about 80% of my pictures with my 1DXMKII my 1DX did not have this issue.

Doe anyone know why the camera is doing this?

Here is an example:

Thank you!

56cbdb3dd1e24f7399071dd3f92eb398.jpg


--
Feel Always Humble - "FAH" - You'll Learn More
http://www.kissmykite.com
I can't figure this out..... Very very difficult to edit this stuff out. Why it's only on the right hand side of the frame on the 1DX MKII is beyond me.

I can't figure this out..... Very very difficult to edit this stuff out. Why it's only on the right hand side of the frame on the 1DX MKII is beyond me.

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Feel Always Humble - "FAH" - You'll Learn More
http://www.kissmykite.com
Note that the streaks only extend down over the background--not on the runway itself. I'm pretty sure this is a lighting issue, not a camera issue.

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With flicker turned on.... this an apparent lack of efficacy if that's the case. And, if true. I'll not use the 1DXMKII for runway fashion any longer.

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Is not the camera ... is the shutter speed ... the ones over 1/320 ... led lighting in the back or equivalent ... at 1/400 you start noticing the flicker :)

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Photografiero, Oh well, so much for shutter speed. Here is one at 1/1000 with less banding. The !DX MKII's banding issue, as I can see is diminished here, vs. shots with the same camera at lower shutter speeds where the banding is much worse.

I was almost hoping you had something there for a minute.

Best

TV



Banding is better not worse at 1/1000  vs. 1/400.

Banding is better not worse at 1/1000 vs. 1/400.



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i don't believe you can claim it is'banding' unless you see the same behaviour at other lit venues. Is this a peculiar one off?

it is only on the walls and always in exactly the same part of the wall not the same part of the sensor - this would indicate something to do with the lighting as everybody else comments too.

you do seem to have a lot of problems with 1d cameras!
 
This is definitely a lighting issue which the anti flicker mode might help but only if the scene was lit by the same light source and not mixed. You would need to shoot at speeds lower then 1/100 to get below the frequency of the flicker or, as you have experienced, much higher to counteract it altogether. I shoot a lot of events with mixed lighting like this and I have to shoot at lower shutter speeds to avoid the flicker although the anti flicker does help a bit.
 
i don't believe you can claim it is'banding' unless you see the same behaviour at other lit venues. Is this a peculiar one off?

it is only on the walls and always in exactly the same part of the wall not the same part of the sensor - this would indicate something to do with the lighting as everybody else comments too.

you do seem to have a lot of problems with 1d cameras!
I agree with you. Its obviously not an issue with the camera. I'm beginning to believe that the OP blames anything he can't explain or does not understand as a defect in the camera. If one has a propensity to find fault with the camera, then one's mind can find issue after issue. I hope the OP does not go down the path of having laboriously lengthy threads on something that is not likely a camera issue. He obviously has every right to do so, but I'll choose to sit this thread out.
 
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i don't believe you can claim it is'banding' unless you see the same behaviour at other lit venues. Is this a peculiar one off?

it is only on the walls and always in exactly the same part of the wall not the same part of the sensor - this would indicate something to do with the lighting as everybody else comments too.

you do seem to have a lot of problems with 1d cameras!
I agree with you. Its obviously not an issue with the camera. I'm beginning to believe that the OP blames anything he can't explain or does not understand as a defect in the camera. If one has a propensity to find fault with the camera, then one's mind can find issue after issue. I hope the OP does not go down the path of having laboriously lengthy threads on something that is not likely a camera issue. He obviously has every right to do so, but I'll choose to sit this thread out.
The 1DX MKII "Claims" to have anti-flicker technology to address the issue if the issue is LED related.

Is this a fail of the "anti-flicker" feature? My shots would say they are saturated by LED banding. In my world 2+2=4.

I use the 1DXMKII and 1DX is some of the most arduous circumstances and push the camera to its limits shooting 10,000 frames from fashion to sports.

"I" will see things that most will not encounter based on repetitive, high-volume, stressful use.

From Mirror Box issues, Battery Issues, PCB Issues, CFast Card Issues, UI Issues, I've found these things early prior to Canon Service Advisories and Firmware Updates.

Every time, Canon "Fan Boys" come out the woodwork like roaches when you turn the lights on. I take advice try things and if they don't work OK. I also try and help others, a lot.

Now here I am showing actual examples of issues with "Anti-Flicker" in a professional shooting environment, shared by other professionals and the "Roaches Come Out" as opposed to trying to overcome the issue and use a work around.

For those who don't shoot professional RUNWAY......
  • You can't shoot at 1/100 the shots will be blurry during NYFW and you can't use flash. You've got to work with the light you're given. You prey the person who hung the room is actually a photographer and not a videographer.
  • You can't shoot at 1/1000 and get usable ISO for magazine publication even at 2.8. The runways are not lit that way 99% of the time.
  • The industry standard glass as "Runway Photogs know" is the f/2.8 70-200. 99.9% of us on the riser are using the same lens. The riser distance and model movement is set to accommodate this lens, most.
  • If Anti-flicker is turned on AND IT STILL DOES NOT WORK, Perhaps some here would say... Keep your thoughts to yourself. Sorry Chaps.... I'm here to make the equipment work the way it's advertised.
LED's are now the soup de jour. Everyone thinks they are a panacea and will dial in 2800 to 5600... Well.... Not only are the LED fluctuating at frequencies beyond specs but the "anti-flicker" technology is also not reading the LED frequencies appropriately and adjusting the shutter.

My 1DX has NEVER had this issue is 5 years of runway. This is the "first" time I've experienced banding and my 1DXMKII has "anti-flicker" and my 1DX does not.....

So I posted here.... Turned on the lights and look what scurried out!

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  • If Anti-flicker is turned on AND IT STILL DOES NOT WORK, Perhaps some here would say... Keep your thoughts to yourself. Sorry Chaps.... I'm here to make the equipment work the way it's advertised.
I don't think you understand what was advertised. I took the feature to be able to deal with a room full of similar lights all running at one or two frequencies. Anything beyond that would be gravy.

Anti-flicker cannot deal with multiple lights at multiple frequencies and timing. If anti-flicker tried to do that it would only allow you to take a photo about 20% of the time or possibly not at all at this particular venue and lighting. (Based upon your stated 20% keeper ratio)

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1Dx MkII manual - Page 198

Flicker at frequencies other than 100hz or 120Hz cannot be detected. Also, if the flickering frequency of the light source changes during continuous shooting, effects of the filter cannot be reduced.

If the subject is against a dark background or if there is a bright light in the image, flicker may not be properly detected.

.... some special lighting flicker may not be detected etc etc.

Taking test shots in advance is recommended.

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Canon and Zeiss Stuff. Mac Stuff & annoying PC & Windows stuff.
 
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Chances are you encountered less LED lighting 5 years ago than you do now.. your brain is now playing tricks on you that "it was never there using the old camera".

Anti-flicker will not save you from complex LED lighting shimmering at different frequencies and timings, do not expect miracles.

Best of luck!
 

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