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The recent gator photo threads has prompted me to share my take on photographing them. They are my favorite wildlife subject and one you typically don't see a lot of photographs of. They are a challenging subject to photograph because of their size and that they are very low to the ground. Because of the challenges I hardly ever shoot full body shots of them and concentrate more on close up shots in and out of the water.

I have more gator photographs in my LR catalog then bird photos if that gives you an idea about how much I love photographing them, but only have 36 uploaded to DPR. So, let me share some of those shots with you, you can click thru to the album for all of them. I will start with the adult gators.




This is my most recent gator shot and one that I am very pleased with, probably my favorite gator shot yet.




This big guy was sitting right in the middle of the trail, you only had about 7-10 feet on either side to get around him (otherwise you were in the swamp). Because of the sloping bank I was able to get a really great low perspective on him.




Photo is a little soft because I was laying about 8-10 feet away when this 12 foot gator decided to stand up and move over to the other side of the trail. I was super nervous when I saw him standup thru the viewfinder because I was not sure what he was doing. I zoomed out and quickly snapped this shot as I was standing up.




This is me before he stood up in the above shot.



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Still not sure if I like the grass or not. When I saw this thru my viewfinder all I could think of was the movie "V for Vendetta" and for that reason titled the photo "Vendetta"




I really like the green grass he was laying in and the partially open mouth.




This big male gator was super aggressive and swam up to the bank and starting bellowing at me. He was in a spot that I went by 3 different times and each time he came up and bellowed at me. During mating season the park had to close this section (which was a hassle because it is where 3 very popular trails intersect) because of his aggressive behavior. After I reported my incident with him they made the decision to remove him from the park............which because of his size means killing him as they don't try to trap and move large gators........this guy was at least 12 foot.




The first photo and this one are probably my two favorite gator shots.




This shot was taken from the same location as the above shot and actually right after. It is of another gator that came up from behind me and slid into this section of the swamp. I talked about it one of the other gator threads where I showed photos of myself shooting gators.




The gator in this photo is from the above shot and the gator in the shot above that (just the eyes) is in front of me and kind of to the right about 15 or 20 feet.




In this shot I was testing a setup I don't typically use. It was my 50-200 f2.8-3.5 with a 2x TC. The next two gator shots are also taken with that combo.




This is the same gator as above, but this time at full zoom........which gives me 800mm of reach in full frame terms.




That is a photograph of me taking the above to photographs. This is where that big gator walking above moved to............this was the same day as that shot and all these gators were in this area at the same time.




This is another shot of me taking the above two gator photographs. I am not 100% positive but I believe the gator in the distance is the one walking from above (to much time has gone by for me to remember all the details)




This is the same gator in the above shots but taken from the other side.




This is an older shot but it shows nice close up details, I like capturing close up shots like this.




I was trying to get in front of this gator to get a head on shot of one walking towards me.




This somewhat soft shot is the best I got. By the time I got right in front of him the grass was to high.




This is from a spot where there is a small spillway. It was early morning and this use to be one of my favorite sunrise places because it attracted all kinds of different animals. The gator was facing into the current waiting for it to wash a fish over. This area is now choked with weeds because we have not had a good hard freeze to kill off the invasive plants that have taken over many of our waterways. With no open water it doesn't attract the wildlife it use to.

Now we can move on to some of my baby or young gators. When I say baby gators I am usually talking about gators that are 1 day old to about 3 years old, they grow about a foot a year, so a 3 year old gator is about 3 feet long. The reason I consider up to about 3 years old as babies is because they still have that baby gator coloring that helps them hide from predators. The young will stick around the mother for 2-3 years and during that time she will protect them. It is not uncommon to see the current babies and the previous years baby all on her back. That is why you will see some that around 12 inches long and some that are 18-24 inches all on/around her at the same time. If the mother allows the up to 3 year olds to be in the area they don't climb on her like the younger ones, but will be in the general area. There is a mama gator and babies I have been trying to get shots of for the last month (hoping to get them tomorrow) that almost always has the last two hatchings on her back with 2 or 3 of the holder almost 3 year olds around.

Babies are also hard to photograph because they are not very big, are low to the ground, and have an ever present very protective mother gator that will not hesitate to attack if she feels her babies are threatened.

Ok, enough talk........................................




This is one of my all time favorite shots..........somewhere I have a very long thread about what this shot means to me. If anyone expresses an interest I will hunt it down and link it.




This may or may not be the same gator in the above shot. I found a group of about 12 young 2 foot gators that would all swim with a few feet of me every time I laid down at the edge of the water.




This is another one from the same group of gators as the above 2 photographs.




This is the last of the shots from that group of gators. This group is still there, checked on them 2 weeks ago.




This baby gator's mama is the one I had my encounter with and this shot was actually taken a few hours after that encounter.




These baby gators are this years hatch (well actually August of last year) of the mama to the photo above.




These babies are from the same group as the above photograph.




This one is also from the same group as the above 2 photographs.

Now.....talking about the above mama gator and my encounter with her. She has built her nest in this same general area for 4 years that I know of. It is right near a trail that goes from a parking area to the Houston's Museum of Natural Science's Observatory. Needless to say it is a heavy traffic area. The babies often lay right next to the paved trial or on it. The park puts up this plastic fencing to not only keep people from trying to touch the babies (which could result in a mama gator attack) but also to keep them off the path. I am still amazed every year when she builds another nest in the area, she evidently is not all that worried about people hurting her babies.....that doesn't mean she is any less protective tho..............I know this from first hand experience.




This was about a 3 foot gator that insisted on following me for most of the morning while I was fishing from my kayak.........he was looking for an easy meal. I actually held my camera over the edge of the kayak to get this nice low perspective. I love having the flippy LCD screen that makes getting shots like possible when you can't frame thru the viewfinder.




This is a young gator I stumbled on one day and have not seen since. When I find young gators I try to return to the area to get more photographs as well as to track their progress as they grow.




Not long after taking the above shot he slid into the water and I got this shot.




One of my attempts to capture a baby gator with the fisheye lens. I also am working on a setup to get a fisheye shot of an adult gator with the head filling the frame...........not going to be easy and could result in the destruction of a camera and fisheye lens.




This is the same gator as above. The two shots give a good example as to why low perspective shots of these guys can be difficult. There are lots of little weeds and stuff that can block your view when getting low, which is my favorite perspective for gators.




This is the same gator as above. The photo only has a very small crop from me leveling it. You can see how the small pieces of weeds can get in the way.




This is one of my favorite shots of the gator in the last shots. I spent 3 different trips photographing this young gator, he was about 2 feet long. He was in an area that I had never seen babies and was the only one around. After my 3 trips of photographing him I did not make it back for about 2 months and when I did he was not there anymore, probably got eaten without a mama to protect him. I have been by several times since and have yet to find him again.



Well, that was a lot of photographs.......wonder if anyone will get all the way thru it.

As always, any and all comments are welcomed and I hope you enjoyed looking at them............I can get a little fanatical when it comes to gator photographs.

Regards,

Ronnie
 

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Very interesting shots and many good ones. Thanks for sharing.

Nick
 
Ok................short and simple................................

This gator was what they call a "problem" gator, even tho he was not a typical "problem" gator. Basically a "problem" gator is any gator that has interactions with humans that humans find uncomfortable. A typical "problem" gator is one that has been fed by people and now associates people with food. They can become aggressive or appear to people not really familiar with gators to be aggressive when trying to get food from people. You may not think it is dangerous but have you ever had a 12 foot gator bump your kayak because he is expecting a handout? For someone not experienced in using a kayak, they could easily end up in the water with said gator and the outcome will not be good for the human (or the gator after it is hunted down and killed). All of this because people think it is cute to feed the gators. As to why this gator was being aggressive, no one really knows.......but he is having interactions with humans that humans feel is undesirable and is now considered a "problem" gator.

I also want to note here a few things about gators. Your typical wild gator will not let you get very close before taking off. They have no desire to be around people and it's unusual for them to let you get very close. So "problem" gators really do bother people, even those use to being around them because it is not normal behavior. They normally don't want to be close to you at all. I also need to mention the gators at this park. I go to this park because the gators do let you get close. They are use to people because they have grown up here and their entire life they are using to seeing 1000's of people each week. Like the ducks at the local city pond compared to the ducks I see deep in the swamp. But, being use to people and still very much wild and very much unpredictable.

This is a state park and state parks do not exist for the benefit of the animals. We have wildlife refuges and wildlife management areas that are for the animals. State parks area a place for people to experience nature and are billed as a safe place for the family to be one with nature. Yes, part of nature is animals and they will be in the park and are managed by the park staff. But don't forget that the parks are there for the people and are deemed safe by the state government. For this reason, "problem" gators are dealt with because the state would get sued if something happened, especially if the person could prove the state knew this gator was a "problem". Trust me, it happens all the time..........people sue the states or the national government because something happened when they were at a park or wilderness area............doesn't matter if they were acting stupid and caused what ever it is.......................the state is liable. That is just how our society is now....................and the states can't afford to take chances

"Problem" gators are dealt with in two ways. The first is to relocate and that is the typical way they handle gators up to about 10 feet long. The second is to kill them and that is typically for the big boys, the 10+ footers. The reason is because it is very dangerous to catch gators. You can't shoot them with a tranq dart and wait for them to fall asleep. They will end up at the bottom of the swamp/lake/river and drown before you can find them because they will take off and swim to the bottom as soon as they are shot with the dart. So the only way is the good old fashion way...........some rope and a lot of muscle and skill and knowledge. This is super dangerous work, even for the small ones. Yes there are shows where these guys catch the big ones and it is possible. But those people are rare and because of the danger charge a lot and I mean a stupid lot for the big guys. For this reason it is safer to kill the big ones. Gators are not endangered and most parks allow a number to be harvested each year to keep from getting over populated. So having to kill one large gator every few years (if that at this park) is not really that bad and it is safer for the humans to just kill the large "problem" gators. Honestly it is safer for the humans to kill all the "problem" gators and not long ago that was how it was handled. Thanks to people like me who hound and/or elected lawmakers to change policy that we even have some being caught and relocated. Much better then years ago and honestly.............it really is a good compromise.

This gator showed up after a major flood and previous to that was not known to be in the park. It was in May and during breeding season and he was being overly aggressive and they closed that section of trail. Closing this section of trail created a huge inconvenience to the park goers and they heard about it daily. You can say all you want about this and how you feel about how the people should have responded..................you have to step out of that perfect little world you think you live in and realize that not everyone feels the same way as you. People are Aholes and they want things a certain way and don't care how it gets that way. Yes...........there were some that were fine with it, even if it was a huge inconvenience.............most were vocal about it and felt it was wrong. The reason is, this cut the trail network in half so you kind of had to make a decision about what side to go to. But........both were good at different times of the day for different animals and to switch between the two sides would take a lot of time. Remember, this is the beginning of summer and it was getting hot so most would be gone by noon when it becomes unbearable. As I said.............people were not happy.............it doesn't matter what you think they should have felt.....................also don't forget that the state parks are there for the people..............to most this means animals that interfere with their enjoyment should be removed......................

Even with all the anger they closed it in hopes that after mating season he would chill out. He actually disappeared sometime in June and they reopened that section. Then in September he was back and they got an occasional report of him being aggressive for a few weeks then it got to be even more come middle October. After my report on the 24th, they made the decision to remove him. Due to his size he was killed.........don't worry.............none of him went to waste....................

They did go out of their way when they closed that area to give him time to adjust and for mating season to end. It was a huge fiasco for them and they got complaints daily and the park saw a huge drop in visitors because a lot of the regulars went other places. We have no shortage of great places to go around here, so going someplace different was a nice change for a lot of the regulars. Lower numbers means less money and they already struggle for funding as it is. I commend their actions and feel they tried to let the gator adjust to people, even at a cost to the park.

Some seem to think I was ok with what happened to the gator. In some ways that is true, because what bothers me even more is that there is a "problem" gator. There should not be "problem" gators because it is us who cause them by feeding them. That bothers me more, but I also understand the position the state has taken. It was a long hard fight to get the policy we have now and it is a good compromise. It ensures not all gators are killed because people fed them and it also takes the danger to people when catching them to relocate into consideration. It is a good fair policy............

Someone else mentioned education...........you are right....................and that is why I decided to respond. But.................I educate people all the time when in the stat parks. People see me sitting there watching an animal while wearing camo and using a camera and think I must know something. So I get asked all kinds of questions and yes.............the same one over and over a lot of times. I don't mind and I actually enjoy it........it is part of the reason I go to that park (that and the great gator photo ops). While watching a baby owl in a nest I had my camera hooked to my phone (Olympus can do it via wifi) so I could sit back and just watch the bird and take a photo when he did something interesting. I let a few people who came by look at my phone so they could see the owl way up in the tree. I now carry my old iPad with me so I can link that and give everyone a good view. There are several spots that see a lot of traffic that also have mama gators with babies. I will sit at one watching and waiting for a good shot and will show everyone who wants to look the iPad. I found the younger generation likes the iPad better then looking thru a spotting scope. Today a couple asked me a bunch of questions about the baby gators I was watching then they moved on. On their return trip he apologized if they disturbed my photography at all by asking questions. I told him they didn't and that I was happy to answer any questions, which is true............it is part of the experience of going to that park. It is also one reason I shoot wildlife, to show those who otherwise can't get out there to see it for themselves. I don't even mind when loud kids scare away my bird, if I don't want loud kids scaring my birds I know a lot of other places to go.................I go there because I enjoy all the aspects of being there.

I really don't want to turn my photography thread into a debate about wildlife management in Texas state parks (or any place in the world for that matter). You ask why? Because all the debate in the world on this thread is not going to change a single thing and all I want to do is share my images with those that can't see gators for themselves. If you want to make changes to wildlife management in Texas then move here and start a career as a lobbyist or run for office or something where you can actually make a change in policy. Stating here what your personal belief is about wildlife management is not going to do a G0D D@MN thing. I have been fighting this fight a long time now and have written extensively on it.....................I don't want to do it here because it is all for nothing..............it is not going to change anything.............I will save my writing for things that could change or effect how policy is enacted............but this thread on a forum about photography,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is not where I want to have it..................................meet me in Austin if you want to discuss wildlife management in Texas further..........that is where I will have this discussion.
 
The recent gator photo threads has prompted me to share my take on photographing them. They are my favorite wildlife subject and one you typically don't see a lot of photographs of. They are a challenging subject to photograph because of their size and that they are very low to the ground. Because of the challenges I hardly ever shoot full body shots of them and concentrate more on close up shots in and out of the water.

I have more gator photographs in my LR catalog then bird photos if that gives you an idea about how much I love photographing them, but only have 36 uploaded to DPR. So, let me share some of those shots with you, you can click thru to the album for all of them. I will start with the adult gators.


This is my most recent gator shot and one that I am very pleased with, probably my favorite gator shot yet.


This big guy was sitting right in the middle of the trail, you only had about 7-10 feet on either side to get around him (otherwise you were in the swamp). Because of the sloping bank I was able to get a really great low perspective on him.


Photo is a little soft because I was laying about 8-10 feet away when this 12 foot gator decided to stand up and move over to the other side of the trail. I was super nervous when I saw him standup thru the viewfinder because I was not sure what he was doing. I zoomed out and quickly snapped this shot as I was standing up.


This is me before he stood up in the above shot.

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Still not sure if I like the grass or not. When I saw this thru my viewfinder all I could think of was the movie "V for Vendetta" and for that reason titled the photo "Vendetta"


I really like the green grass he was laying in and the partially open mouth.


This big male gator was super aggressive and swam up to the bank and starting bellowing at me. He was in a spot that I went by 3 different times and each time he came up and bellowed at me. During mating season the park had to close this section (which was a hassle because it is where 3 very popular trails intersect) because of his aggressive behavior. After I reported my incident with him they made the decision to remove him from the park............which because of his size means killing him as they don't try to trap and move large gators........this guy was at least 12 foot.


The first photo and this one are probably my two favorite gator shots.


This shot was taken from the same location as the above shot and actually right after. It is of another gator that came up from behind me and slid into this section of the swamp. I talked about it one of the other gator threads where I showed photos of myself shooting gators.


The gator in this photo is from the above shot and the gator in the shot above that (just the eyes) is in front of me and kind of to the right about 15 or 20 feet.


In this shot I was testing a setup I don't typically use. It was my 50-200 f2.8-3.5 with a 2x TC. The next two gator shots are also taken with that combo.


This is the same gator as above, but this time at full zoom........which gives me 800mm of reach in full frame terms.


That is a photograph of me taking the above to photographs. This is where that big gator walking above moved to............this was the same day as that shot and all these gators were in this area at the same time.


This is another shot of me taking the above two gator photographs. I am not 100% positive but I believe the gator in the distance is the one walking from above (to much time has gone by for me to remember all the details)


This is the same gator in the above shots but taken from the other side.


This is an older shot but it shows nice close up details, I like capturing close up shots like this.


I was trying to get in front of this gator to get a head on shot of one walking towards me.


This somewhat soft shot is the best I got. By the time I got right in front of him the grass was to high.


This is from a spot where there is a small spillway. It was early morning and this use to be one of my favorite sunrise places because it attracted all kinds of different animals. The gator was facing into the current waiting for it to wash a fish over. This area is now choked with weeds because we have not had a good hard freeze to kill off the invasive plants that have taken over many of our waterways. With no open water it doesn't attract the wildlife it use to.

Now we can move on to some of my baby or young gators. When I say baby gators I am usually talking about gators that are 1 day old to about 3 years old, they grow about a foot a year, so a 3 year old gator is about 3 feet long. The reason I consider up to about 3 years old as babies is because they still have that baby gator coloring that helps them hide from predators. The young will stick around the mother for 2-3 years and during that time she will protect them. It is not uncommon to see the current babies and the previous years baby all on her back. That is why you will see some that around 12 inches long and some that are 18-24 inches all on/around her at the same time. If the mother allows the up to 3 year olds to be in the area they don't climb on her like the younger ones, but will be in the general area. There is a mama gator and babies I have been trying to get shots of for the last month (hoping to get them tomorrow) that almost always has the last two hatchings on her back with 2 or 3 of the holder almost 3 year olds around.

Babies are also hard to photograph because they are not very big, are low to the ground, and have an ever present very protective mother gator that will not hesitate to attack if she feels her babies are threatened.

Ok, enough talk........................................


This is one of my all time favorite shots..........somewhere I have a very long thread about what this shot means to me. If anyone expresses an interest I will hunt it down and link it.


This may or may not be the same gator in the above shot. I found a group of about 12 young 2 foot gators that would all swim with a few feet of me every time I laid down at the edge of the water.


This is another one from the same group of gators as the above 2 photographs.


This is the last of the shots from that group of gators. This group is still there, checked on them 2 weeks ago.


This baby gator's mama is the one I had my encounter with and this shot was actually taken a few hours after that encounter.


These baby gators are this years hatch (well actually August of last year) of the mama to the photo above.


These babies are from the same group as the above photograph.


This one is also from the same group as the above 2 photographs.

Now.....talking about the above mama gator and my encounter with her. She has built her nest in this same general area for 4 years that I know of. It is right near a trail that goes from a parking area to the Houston's Museum of Natural Science's Observatory. Needless to say it is a heavy traffic area. The babies often lay right next to the paved trial or on it. The park puts up this plastic fencing to not only keep people from trying to touch the babies (which could result in a mama gator attack) but also to keep them off the path. I am still amazed every year when she builds another nest in the area, she evidently is not all that worried about people hurting her babies.....that doesn't mean she is any less protective tho..............I know this from first hand experience.


This was about a 3 foot gator that insisted on following me for most of the morning while I was fishing from my kayak.........he was looking for an easy meal. I actually held my camera over the edge of the kayak to get this nice low perspective. I love having the flippy LCD screen that makes getting shots like possible when you can't frame thru the viewfinder.


This is a young gator I stumbled on one day and have not seen since. When I find young gators I try to return to the area to get more photographs as well as to track their progress as they grow.


Not long after taking the above shot he slid into the water and I got this shot.


One of my attempts to capture a baby gator with the fisheye lens. I also am working on a setup to get a fisheye shot of an adult gator with the head filling the frame...........not going to be easy and could result in the destruction of a camera and fisheye lens.


This is the same gator as above. The two shots give a good example as to why low perspective shots of these guys can be difficult. There are lots of little weeds and stuff that can block your view when getting low, which is my favorite perspective for gators.


This is the same gator as above. The photo only has a very small crop from me leveling it. You can see how the small pieces of weeds can get in the way.


This is one of my favorite shots of the gator in the last shots. I spent 3 different trips photographing this young gator, he was about 2 feet long. He was in an area that I had never seen babies and was the only one around. After my 3 trips of photographing him I did not make it back for about 2 months and when I did he was not there anymore, probably got eaten without a mama to protect him. I have been by several times since and have yet to find him again.

Well, that was a lot of photographs.......wonder if anyone will get all the way thru it.

As always, any and all comments are welcomed and I hope you enjoyed looking at them............I can get a little fanatical when it comes to gator photographs.

Regards,

Ronnie
Nice set of shots. I think we could have some fun in the swamps together.



Gator
 
First of all, I am not accusing you of doing anything wrong and I found your pictures to be both impressive and beautiful.

Second of all as someone who has volunteered in a zoo handling, observing, and studying animals, and educating the public for five hours a day I understand many of the challenges associated with large, dangerous animals.
This is a state park and state parks do not exist for the benefit of the animals. We have wildlife refuges and wildlife management areas that are for the animals. State parks area a place for people to experience nature and are billed as a safe place for the family to be one with nature. Yes, part of nature is animals and they will be in the park and are managed by the park staff. But don't forget that the parks are there for the people and are deemed safe by the state government. For this reason, "problem" gators are dealt with because the state would get sued if something happened, especially if the person could prove the state knew this gator was a "problem". Trust me, it happens all the time..........people sue the states or the national government because something happened when they were at a park or wilderness area............doesn't matter if they were acting stupid and caused what ever it is.......................the state is liable. That is just how our society is now....................and the states can't afford to take chances
In 1916 Woodrow Wilson passed "The Organic Act" which created the National Park Service. In the act the purpose of this service was described as "to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations". The main difference between a national park and state park is just who runs in. I would argue the purpose of a state or national park firstly serves to preserve an untouched piece of our nation and protect the organisms and ecosystems that make it up. You're argument that state parks need to be deemed safe is relative. Many people fall dangerously ill and even die in many state parks due to wildlife and climate.
"Problem" gators are dealt with in two ways. The first is to relocate and that is the typical way they handle gators up to about 10 feet long. The second is to kill them and that is typically for the big boys, the 10+ footers. The reason is because it is very dangerous to catch gators. You can't shoot them with a tranq dart and wait for them to fall asleep. They will end up at the bottom of the swamp/lake/river and drown before you can find them because they will take off and swim to the bottom as soon as they are shot with the dart.
Gator traps exist, are used by many research professionals, hunters, and conservationists, and to great effect. A alligator does not need to be unconscious for it to be relocated.
you have to step out of that perfect little world you think you live in and realize that not everyone feels the same way as you.

As I said.............people were not happy.............it doesn't matter what you think they should have felt.....................also don't forget that the state parks are there for the people..............to most this means animals that interfere with their enjoyment should be removed......................
As I said before animals make up the park system. Alligators are inherently apex predators who are not meant to get along with humans. Without apex predators an ecosystem falls apart. As someone who presumably enjoys nature and the animals that make up nature it's concerning that your solution to people being upset about an animal displaying territorial nature in it's natural ecosystem that has been invaded by humans.
I really don't want to turn my photography thread into a debate about wildlife management in Texas state parks (or any place in the world for that matter). You ask why? Because all the debate in the world on this thread is not going to change a single thing and all I want to do is share my images with those that can't see gators for themselves.
Debate serves to broaden opinions. People reading this thread may reconsider their opinion on conservation and make changes to their choices or more likely change they way they interact with wildlife when they are out shooting.

Thank you for sharing your images, they are fantastic and I enjoyed looking at them. The reason I stray so far from the main topic is because this type of issue bothers me. I am in college right now deciding if I want to pursue veterinary medicine or conservation biology. The fact that a place meant to preserve the untouched areas of our nation can have animals put down because they are exhibiting their natural behaviors is disturbing, especially when there are other valid methods of removing the animal from places with large human interactions. I support state and national parks because they do preserve and protect large areas where ecosystems can be kept whole, and I understand difficult decisions have to be made sometimes. I think it is important to voice opinions on a public forum like this one, where our discussions can effect how nature should be treated when taking pictures.
 
The recent gator photo threads has prompted me to share my take on photographing them. They are my favorite wildlife subject and one you typically don't see a lot of photographs of. They are a challenging subject to photograph because of their size and that they are very low to the ground. Because of the challenges I hardly ever shoot full body shots of them and concentrate more on close up shots in and out of the water.

I have more gator photographs in my LR catalog then bird photos if that gives you an idea about how much I love photographing them, but only have 36 uploaded to DPR. So, let me share some of those shots with you, you can click thru to the album for all of them. I will start with the adult gators.


This is my most recent gator shot and one that I am very pleased with, probably my favorite gator shot yet.


This big guy was sitting right in the middle of the trail, you only had about 7-10 feet on either side to get around him (otherwise you were in the swamp). Because of the sloping bank I was able to get a really great low perspective on him.


Photo is a little soft because I was laying about 8-10 feet away when this 12 foot gator decided to stand up and move over to the other side of the trail. I was super nervous when I saw him standup thru the viewfinder because I was not sure what he was doing. I zoomed out and quickly snapped this shot as I was standing up.


This is me before he stood up in the above shot.

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Still not sure if I like the grass or not. When I saw this thru my viewfinder all I could think of was the movie "V for Vendetta" and for that reason titled the photo "Vendetta"


I really like the green grass he was laying in and the partially open mouth.


This big male gator was super aggressive and swam up to the bank and starting bellowing at me. He was in a spot that I went by 3 different times and each time he came up and bellowed at me. During mating season the park had to close this section (which was a hassle because it is where 3 very popular trails intersect) because of his aggressive behavior. After I reported my incident with him they made the decision to remove him from the park............which because of his size means killing him as they don't try to trap and move large gators........this guy was at least 12 foot.


The first photo and this one are probably my two favorite gator shots.


This shot was taken from the same location as the above shot and actually right after. It is of another gator that came up from behind me and slid into this section of the swamp. I talked about it one of the other gator threads where I showed photos of myself shooting gators.


The gator in this photo is from the above shot and the gator in the shot above that (just the eyes) is in front of me and kind of to the right about 15 or 20 feet.


In this shot I was testing a setup I don't typically use. It was my 50-200 f2.8-3.5 with a 2x TC. The next two gator shots are also taken with that combo.


This is the same gator as above, but this time at full zoom........which gives me 800mm of reach in full frame terms.


That is a photograph of me taking the above to photographs. This is where that big gator walking above moved to............this was the same day as that shot and all these gators were in this area at the same time.


This is another shot of me taking the above two gator photographs. I am not 100% positive but I believe the gator in the distance is the one walking from above (to much time has gone by for me to remember all the details)


This is the same gator in the above shots but taken from the other side.


This is an older shot but it shows nice close up details, I like capturing close up shots like this.


I was trying to get in front of this gator to get a head on shot of one walking towards me.


This somewhat soft shot is the best I got. By the time I got right in front of him the grass was to high.


This is from a spot where there is a small spillway. It was early morning and this use to be one of my favorite sunrise places because it attracted all kinds of different animals. The gator was facing into the current waiting for it to wash a fish over. This area is now choked with weeds because we have not had a good hard freeze to kill off the invasive plants that have taken over many of our waterways. With no open water it doesn't attract the wildlife it use to.

Now we can move on to some of my baby or young gators. When I say baby gators I am usually talking about gators that are 1 day old to about 3 years old, they grow about a foot a year, so a 3 year old gator is about 3 feet long. The reason I consider up to about 3 years old as babies is because they still have that baby gator coloring that helps them hide from predators. The young will stick around the mother for 2-3 years and during that time she will protect them. It is not uncommon to see the current babies and the previous years baby all on her back. That is why you will see some that around 12 inches long and some that are 18-24 inches all on/around her at the same time. If the mother allows the up to 3 year olds to be in the area they don't climb on her like the younger ones, but will be in the general area. There is a mama gator and babies I have been trying to get shots of for the last month (hoping to get them tomorrow) that almost always has the last two hatchings on her back with 2 or 3 of the holder almost 3 year olds around.

Babies are also hard to photograph because they are not very big, are low to the ground, and have an ever present very protective mother gator that will not hesitate to attack if she feels her babies are threatened.

Ok, enough talk........................................


This is one of my all time favorite shots..........somewhere I have a very long thread about what this shot means to me. If anyone expresses an interest I will hunt it down and link it.


This may or may not be the same gator in the above shot. I found a group of about 12 young 2 foot gators that would all swim with a few feet of me every time I laid down at the edge of the water.


This is another one from the same group of gators as the above 2 photographs.


This is the last of the shots from that group of gators. This group is still there, checked on them 2 weeks ago.


This baby gator's mama is the one I had my encounter with and this shot was actually taken a few hours after that encounter.


These baby gators are this years hatch (well actually August of last year) of the mama to the photo above.


These babies are from the same group as the above photograph.


This one is also from the same group as the above 2 photographs.

Now.....talking about the above mama gator and my encounter with her. She has built her nest in this same general area for 4 years that I know of. It is right near a trail that goes from a parking area to the Houston's Museum of Natural Science's Observatory. Needless to say it is a heavy traffic area. The babies often lay right next to the paved trial or on it. The park puts up this plastic fencing to not only keep people from trying to touch the babies (which could result in a mama gator attack) but also to keep them off the path. I am still amazed every year when she builds another nest in the area, she evidently is not all that worried about people hurting her babies.....that doesn't mean she is any less protective tho..............I know this from first hand experience.


This was about a 3 foot gator that insisted on following me for most of the morning while I was fishing from my kayak.........he was looking for an easy meal. I actually held my camera over the edge of the kayak to get this nice low perspective. I love having the flippy LCD screen that makes getting shots like possible when you can't frame thru the viewfinder.


This is a young gator I stumbled on one day and have not seen since. When I find young gators I try to return to the area to get more photographs as well as to track their progress as they grow.


Not long after taking the above shot he slid into the water and I got this shot.


One of my attempts to capture a baby gator with the fisheye lens. I also am working on a setup to get a fisheye shot of an adult gator with the head filling the frame...........not going to be easy and could result in the destruction of a camera and fisheye lens.


This is the same gator as above. The two shots give a good example as to why low perspective shots of these guys can be difficult. There are lots of little weeds and stuff that can block your view when getting low, which is my favorite perspective for gators.


This is the same gator as above. The photo only has a very small crop from me leveling it. You can see how the small pieces of weeds can get in the way.


This is one of my favorite shots of the gator in the last shots. I spent 3 different trips photographing this young gator, he was about 2 feet long. He was in an area that I had never seen babies and was the only one around. After my 3 trips of photographing him I did not make it back for about 2 months and when I did he was not there anymore, probably got eaten without a mama to protect him. I have been by several times since and have yet to find him again.

Well, that was a lot of photographs.......wonder if anyone will get all the way thru it.

As always, any and all comments are welcomed and I hope you enjoyed looking at them............I can get a little fanatical when it comes to gator photographs.

Regards,

Ronnie
Nice set of shots. I think we could have some fun in the swamps together.
So do I.
 
You can say all you want about this and how you feel about how the people should have responded..................you have to step out of that perfect little world you think you live in and realize that not everyone feels the same way as you.
I am the 'someone else' who just had some questions. Thanks for the explanation but my work in my perfect little world is about tourism and outdoor recreation, what visitors are doing, why they are doing it, and how this can be used to preserve nature and help the economy. Negotiating with park management is part of it, as well as educating them.

No need to offend people.
 
FWIW, I agree with your point that a photography forum is not the place for a meaningful debate on conservation policy. I'm a biologist, then an environmental engineer, and then an environmental lawyer for 30+ years. I've been involved in hundreds of environmental and conservation policy debates, including being involved in the reintroduction of wolves out west. "Problem animals" are their own issue, and even the National Park Service will relocate such animals, euthanizing them if necessary, to strive for a balance between animal and human needs for the same space, so sophomoric (perhaps literally in this case) opinions on the topic of how to balance conservation versus human enjoyment neither inform the issues nor facilitate policy. I sometimes think about writing a book on the topic, picking up where the Duncan-Burns volume The National Parks: America's Best Idea left off, but if I ever do write that book, I promise I won't publish it as a post in a photography forum. :-)

So, back to my original thought. Great photos and very helpful photography instructions. I'm also using an Olympus MFT system (which makes the EXIF data and your comments doubly helpful), although right now I only have the baby camera and lenses, pending convincing the wifey-poo that an upgrade fits somehow into the retirement budget. Below is my favorite shot from the Taylor Creek area I mentioned.

Most of the alligators I saw were basking, either perched on logs or along the banks, and I saw only a few actually in the water. There was this one, plus what I gather was a youngster (based on the yellow coloration), but I couldn't get a decent shot of that little guy.
Most of the alligators I saw were basking, either perched on logs or along the banks, and I saw only a few actually in the water. There was this one, plus what I gather was a youngster (based on the yellow coloration), but I couldn't get a decent shot of that little guy.

Please continue to post as many of your alligator photos and commentary as you feel up to. I really enjoy them.

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Nicely done! These shots represent a lot of planning, time and patience, I'm sure.

Keep up the good work.
 
FWIW, I agree with your point that a photography forum is not the place for a meaningful debate on conservation policy. I'm a biologist, then an environmental engineer, and then an environmental lawyer for 30+ years. I've been involved in hundreds of environmental and conservation policy debates, including being involved in the reintroduction of wolves out west. "Problem animals" are their own issue, and even the National Park Service will relocate such animals, euthanizing them if necessary, to strive for a balance between animal and human needs for the same space, so sophomoric (perhaps literally in this case) opinions on the topic of how to balance conservation versus human enjoyment neither inform the issues nor facilitate policy. I sometimes think about writing a book on the topic, picking up where the Duncan-Burns volume The National Parks: America's Best Idea left off, but if I ever do write that book, I promise I won't publish it as a post in a photography forum. :-)

So, back to my original thought. Great photos and very helpful photography instructions. I'm also using an Olympus MFT system (which makes the EXIF data and your comments doubly helpful), although right now I only have the baby camera and lenses, pending convincing the wifey-poo that an upgrade fits somehow into the retirement budget. Below is my favorite shot from the Taylor Creek area I mentioned.
Thanks and I am glad you find the information helpful. I love Olympus for my gator photography, the extra reach with smaller lenses is a huge bonus for me. I pretty much use two focal lengths for gators, 150mm or 300mm (which is 300mm or 600mm in FF equivalency). Since it also the same lens (just adding a TC) the size of the lens doesn't change. Which I really like because crawling along the ground with a FF 600mm lens is just a pain in the a$$, did that for 25+ years when I shot Canon. Switching to Olympus has been so liberating and fits my shooting style better then any other system I have used.
Most of the alligators I saw were basking, either perched on logs or along the banks, and I saw only a few actually in the water. There was this one, plus what I gather was a youngster (based on the yellow coloration), but I couldn't get a decent shot of that little guy.
Most of the alligators I saw were basking, either perched on logs or along the banks, and I saw only a few actually in the water. There was this one, plus what I gather was a youngster (based on the yellow coloration), but I couldn't get a decent shot of that little guy.
Depending on the days temp will determine when they get out of the water to sun, cloud cover can play into it also. In the middle of summer you will hardly ever see them sunning as the temperature is so high they don't need to, when they do come out of the water it will be under the shade of trees. Summer is a great time for water shots, as is early before the wind picks up so you can get that smooth water look.

Yes, the younger ones are colored differently. You can guess a gators age by his length, they grow about a foot each year until around the age of 8.......then growth really slows down. It is around age 4 when the color starts to shift to the adult coloring, I have seen gators as large as 4 feet with the baby coloring but can't think of ever seeing one closer to 5 feet with it.
Please continue to post as many of your alligator photos and commentary as you feel up to. I really enjoy them.
Don't worry, I will continue to post photos and my commentary.................not distracted by any of this and it's easy to ignore.
 
Nicely done! These shots represent a lot of planning, time and patience, I'm sure.
Thank you and appreciate the comment. I went thru the shots after posting and was surprised that all but 3 were takin in the last 14 months.........it is pretty much a years worth of gator photography for me.
Keep up the good work.

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BRT
 
My first gator pictures were in 1960. I did not know the eating habits of the alligator and I stood for 8 hours waiting for him to get meal. This was in Flamingo and I watched all the birds walk to the gator and then when six feet away they would walk behind him and around and continue walking the shoreline. After shooting many pictures, I have considered them the gulls of Florida and seldom take pictures. I leave that for other tourists. Your thread has caused a new interest. Thanks
 
FWIW, I agree with your point that a photography forum is not the place for a meaningful debate on conservation policy. I'm a biologist, then an environmental engineer, and then an environmental lawyer for 30+ years. I've been involved in hundreds of environmental and conservation policy debates, including being involved in the reintroduction of wolves out west. "Problem animals" are their own issue, and even the National Park Service will relocate such animals, euthanizing them if necessary, to strive for a balance between animal and human needs for the same space, so sophomoric (perhaps literally in this case) opinions on the topic of how to balance conservation versus human enjoyment neither inform the issues nor facilitate policy. I sometimes think about writing a book on the topic, picking up where the Duncan-Burns volume The National Parks: America's Best Idea left off, but if I ever do write that book, I promise I won't publish it as a post in a photography forum. :-)

So, back to my original thought. Great photos and very helpful photography instructions. I'm also using an Olympus MFT system (which makes the EXIF data and your comments doubly helpful), although right now I only have the baby camera and lenses, pending convincing the wifey-poo that an upgrade fits somehow into the retirement budget. Below is my favorite shot from the Taylor Creek area I mentioned.

Most of the alligators I saw were basking, either perched on logs or along the banks, and I saw only a few actually in the water. There was this one, plus what I gather was a youngster (based on the yellow coloration), but I couldn't get a decent shot of that little guy.
Most of the alligators I saw were basking, either perched on logs or along the banks, and I saw only a few actually in the water. There was this one, plus what I gather was a youngster (based on the yellow coloration), but I couldn't get a decent shot of that little guy.

Please continue to post as many of your alligator photos and commentary as you feel up to. I really enjoy them.

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So you feel a photography forum is not the place for a meaningful debate on conservation policy yet you throw out the "reintroduction of wolves out west" as if you're unaware it's probably the most contentious, hate-inducing subject you could have mentioned. You are also making the assumption that the National Park Service is always making the right decisions. Since 1996, when wolves were reintroduced in Yellowstone, biologists have been radio collaring these animals under the guise that they will be contributing to their long term sustainability. It became necessary to begin installing spikes on these collars to prevent the animals from chewing them off. There are some who would argue that radio collaring wolves is really doing them no good at all but is simply another way for humans to impose control once again. If you haven't already, I'd advise you to read "Shadow Mountain" by Renee Askins. In your line of work you must be familiar with the name. You may not agree with her views but isn't it a good thing to consider all viewpoints rather than just seeing them as sophomoric, your word, because you don't understand or agree ? I understand that someone like yourself will argue that control is necessary. I, on the other hand feel differently. I was recently on a 5 night camping trip in Katmai National Park. My guides were not allowed to carry weapons of any type, or bear spray. They each had a flair in case of emergencies. Our campsite was lined by a solar powered "electric ribbon" fence which due to cloudy weather wouldn't deter me, let alone a bear from entering. One morning we had 3 wolves surrounding the perimeter of the camp, coincidentally forming a triangle around us. Bears passed within 30 yards of the tents at night. I was fully aware of the risks involved with no protection but that was a choice I made. My point is, I accept wildlife as part of the risk of living on this planet the same as it's risky to cross a busy intersection. I prefer to share the planet with wildlife, not just when it's convenient. Trust me, I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority here and I understand why you would see my thinking as naive, but I don't place such a high priority on human life. In fact, I consider humans as a cancer on this planet, so, there's that. If one gets taken every once in a while, highly unlikely, BTW, so be it.

Now the OP sounds like a nice enough fellow, aside from his attacks here, but to be fair he probably felt like I was attacking him, and I commend him on his work with the children. That's great. But when he shares a story where he was directly involved in the destruction of an animal, his words, because the animal was in an inconvenient spot, it would be hard to not expect some criticism. And yes, i read the follow up to his story and I do understand why he did what he did, so I blame our society in general more so than him. I know my feelings don't fit in and will never be widely accepted but after all, it's just the way one person looks at the world and chooses to walk through it. And because this is after all a photography forum, a couple of photos. Good day to all !



One of three wolves visiting camp in the morning
One of three wolves visiting camp in the morning





Brown bear that was being chased by another bear passing 12 feet away from me.
Brown bear that was being chased by another bear passing 12 feet away from me.
 
My first gator pictures were in 1960. I did not know the eating habits of the alligator and I stood for 8 hours waiting for him to get meal. This was in Flamingo and I watched all the birds walk to the gator and then when six feet away they would walk behind him and around and continue walking the shoreline. After shooting many pictures, I have considered them the gulls of Florida and seldom take pictures. I leave that for other tourists. Your thread has caused a new interest. Thanks
You are welcome and I am glad it has made you reconsider photographing them. The problem with leaving it to the tourist is they just take terrible tourist type shots that do no justice to these magnificent animals.

As for getting photographs of them eating something................one it's hard to come across one eating and when you do it is almost impossible to get really good shots. I have some of them eating big fish or turtles but they are all terrible in my personal opinion, so they never see the light of day. I am hoping to get some really good ones some day, until then I will settle for what I can get.

There are also not a lot of great wildlife photographers photographing gators. I use google to search for images and go thru Flickr and find few outstanding gator shots. I like to look at others photographs to get ideas on other ways to photograph them, but there is not much out there to inspire me. I am thankful there are two other photographers here that have been posting some great gator shots and have given me ideas. Which, I am surprised that there are others posting gator shots here given the limited number I can find on the internet.
 
Ronnie

Great series and very dangerous!
Thanks and yes it does have its hazards.........mostly from the various infections and fungus growths you end up with or the bug bites............the gators are actually the least of my concerns normally.
Don't push your luck...
Never do.........I am very careful and don't take any undo risk....but there is always risk involved.
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Old Greenlander
"I show the world the way I see it"
35 years of photography and still learning
Glad to see you here. Just remember to throw your camera to shore. ;)
Thanks and never.................it gets eaten with me.
 
So you feel a photography forum is not the place for a meaningful debate on conservation policy yet you throw out the "reintroduction of wolves out west" as if you're unaware it's probably the most contentious, hate-inducing subject you could have mentioned. You are also making the assumption that the National Park Service is always making the right decisions. Since 1996, when wolves were reintroduced in Yellowstone, biologists have been radio collaring these animals under the guise that they will be contributing to their long term sustainability. It became necessary to begin installing spikes on these collars to prevent the animals from chewing them off. There are some who would argue that radio collaring wolves is really doing them no good at all but is simply another way for humans to impose control once again. If you haven't already, I'd advise you to read "Shadow Mountain" by Renee Askins. In your line of work you must be familiar with the name. You may not agree with her views but isn't it a good thing to consider all viewpoints rather than just seeing them as sophomoric, your word, because you don't understand or agree ? I understand that someone like yourself will argue that control is necessary. I, on the other hand feel differently. I was recently on a 5 night camping trip in Katmai National Park. My guides were not allowed to carry weapons of any type, or bear spray. They each had a flair in case of emergencies. Our campsite was lined by a solar powered "electric ribbon" fence which due to cloudy weather wouldn't deter me, let alone a bear from entering. One morning we had 3 wolves surrounding the perimeter of the camp, coincidentally forming a triangle around us. Bears passed within 30 yards of the tents at night. I was fully aware of the risks involved with no protection but that was a choice I made. My point is, I accept wildlife as part of the risk of living on this planet the same as it's risky to cross a busy intersection. I prefer to share the planet with wildlife, not just when it's convenient. Trust me, I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority here and I understand why you would see my thinking as naive, but I don't place such a high priority on human life. In fact, I consider humans as a cancer on this planet, so, there's that. If one gets taken every once in a while, highly unlikely, BTW, so be it.

Now the OP sounds like a nice enough fellow, aside from his attacks here, but to be fair he probably felt like I was attacking him, and I commend him on his work with the children. That's great. But when he shares a story where he was directly involved in the destruction of an animal, his words, because the animal was in an inconvenient spot, it would be hard to not expect some criticism. And yes, i read the follow up to his story and I do understand why he did what he did, so I blame our society in general more so than him. I know my feelings don't fit in and will never be widely accepted but after all, it's just the way one person looks at the world and chooses to walk through it. And because this is after all a photography forum, a couple of photos. Good day to all !
The OP behaves like Donald Trump and is following exactly the same communication strategy. But hey, that's a compliment in Texas.

I've had it with this kind of narrow-minded forum members who don't respond to people from other countries and/or attack them. There is a word for that.
 
This is the best gator gallery ever! The descriptions and the photos of you taking the shots was so engaging. Not only did I get through it, I went back through it several times.

Please do not let the social commentary discourage you from posting more. I just click through that kind of stuff and move on to the next comment/post that is about photography.
 
This is the best gator gallery ever! The descriptions and the photos of you taking the shots was so engaging. Not only did I get through it, I went back through it several times.
Thank you very much, really appreciate the comments.
Please do not let the social commentary discourage you from posting more. I just click through that kind of stuff and move on to the next comment/post that is about photography.
Don't worry, I don't let stuff like that bother me................in my line of work I deal with it all the time..................don't bother with it and just ignore it..........................plus this is DPR with a greater number of A$$ hats then just about any other forum on the planet.
 

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