I am not trying to be difficult here, but I don't understand this. Can you give an example? I am not aware of any lenses in E/FE mount that are 'too big' in this way - are there any lenses you particularly have in mind?
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Is E-mount dead?
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Unless you are looking at really fast primes, the difference is not that huge in size
For zooms, there is more of a size difference but the bigger issue is that wide angle Full frames zooms don't really make sense on APC-C from a focal length perspective. That being said, Sony all already has most of that covered - 10-18 f/4 and 16-70 f/4 and 16-50 PZ if you want really small.
I doubt you will see APS-C tele primes/zooms other that what is already there. The reduction in size is modest so it makes no sense. If keeping your kit small is your most important factor, there are already a few good options and you are going to be stuck using mostly wide to normal focal length lenses.
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For zooms, there is more of a size difference but the bigger issue is that wide angle Full frames zooms don't really make sense on APC-C from a focal length perspective. That being said, Sony all already has most of that covered - 10-18 f/4 and 16-70 f/4 and 16-50 PZ if you want really small.
I doubt you will see APS-C tele primes/zooms other that what is already there. The reduction in size is modest so it makes no sense. If keeping your kit small is your most important factor, there are already a few good options and you are going to be stuck using mostly wide to normal focal length lenses.
So you agree with me that Sony does not care any more about APS-C lenses?
Yes I do agree. There is denying that at all... But there is a reason for it and I only think its temporary.
Joachim Wulfers
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Of course it is. Everyone knows that since Sony came out with the A7 series and only added a mediocre A6500 to the APS-C camera line-up:-D:-D
grasshpr
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The Panasonic lens isn't saving much compared with the sigma lens.
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The panasonic is f/6.3 at the long end while the others are f/5.6. That makes a significant difference. A slower lens will almost always be a lighter weight lens.
blue_skies
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NEX is gone, APS-C (Axxxx) cameras continue. Why call it NEX now?
E-mount survives, and has full support.
FE lenses are plentiful, albeit that some are DSLR designs with an elongated 'shaft'.
Sony has small, and affordable, APS-C lenses such as E16, E20, E35, E50, E1018, E1650, E1855, E55210, FE28, FE35, FE50, FE85. Of this list, only the E1018 prices above $500.
Sony has higher IQ lenses, or superzooms, such as E18105G, E1670Z, E24Z, E30M, FE55Z, FE90M, E18200, FE70300, for those that will want more out of their APS-C.
You can then add-in the Zeiss Touit T12, T32, T50, the Sigma 19, 30, 60, and the lists continues.
Plenty of small lenses, plenty of 'budget' lenses (perhaps not as cheap as the plastic A-mount lenses, but more advanced (no screw drives), metal mount, more durable, etc.)
And plenty of third parties going into FE. Small FE lenses? Sure, CV10, CV12, CV15, B18, L21, B25, FE28, L35, FE35, L50, B85, just to give you some samples. Add in Rokinon/Samyang, Laowa, Tokina, and all the others, there is a very crowded selection today.
Sony R&D has been pushed to produce FE lenses. Have you seen how many have come out?
As to APS-C lenses? Just how many have been discontinued, and how many are in production? And you would call this 'does not care anymore'?
In fact, the A6000 is kept in the market as a price leader. This is a strategic move by the then incoming new CEO, and it certainly has made many a would-be mirrorless buyer go Sony - look at the sales statistics everywhere.
However, it is this buyer that does not add a lot of lenses, and certainly not the esoteric lenses that are being discussed on these forums.
Is it wrong of Sony to have embraced the smart adapter strategy? Consider solutions such as the MC-11, LA-EA3, and on, which require camera firmware & hardware support. You get many options with this, as opposed to only one lens option with an APS-C design.
You harped on 'mirrorless' design, but part of the design shrink didn't pan out because of sensor topping, light inclination angle, and projection. Newer lenses moved the exit pupil back and incorporated for the sensor topping. This leads to shared designs for both APS-C and Full-frame. Example: the CV10 is a 10mm prime lens for the E-mount. It is a small lens, and works fine on both APS-C and Full-frame. Why should Voigtlander develop an APS-C only lens? And if not Voigtlander, why should Sony?
If your point is to be facetious, then by all means. If you have a generic question as to APS-C lens support and selection, then focus on what is missing. Candidates are:
- Long APS-C macro lens (FE90M is large and expensive)
- Long APS-C tele lens (e.g. 450mm or above)
- Long APS-C tele zoom lens (e.g. 250mm)
- Fast APS-C standard zoom (e.g. f/2.8 mid-range)
But then again, FE is also still starved for some of these, and they still take priority. E.g.. everyone wants to see a full-frame 135/2 prime.
nandbytes
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I will spare you the pain of burying your dead e-mount gear by taking it off your hands for free 
Entropy512
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Sorry, not valid. What part of SIMILAR FL/APERTURE did you not understand?
The Sigma is the only one with a similar aperture (all others are f/5.6 at the long end instead of f/6.3), and has only around a 10-15% size penalty (Insiginificant, I've seen greater weight/length variations between lenses of identical image circle coverage and speed - see the various Canon 70-300 variants) despite having a massively increased image circle size. Also I would not be surprised if the Panasonic 100-400 covered most of an FF image circle except for potential baffle obstructions (weight savings to remove them!) just like the SEL55210 covers most of FF across all but the widest end of its focal range if you remove the baffles - and what restriction remains is almost solely attributable to the rearmost lens element (insignificant weight savings back there)
As an example of how much variation can happen for a single focal length/aperture range with identical sensor coverage, the Canon 70-300 L variant is 1030g vs. the IS II at 720g - same image circle size, same focal lengths, same apertures, significant variation in weight.
Henry,
I am curious as to what you mean by the first three of those lenses you listed and in particular why you think that APS-C lenses here would be different from FF lenses.
For example, if the 90mm f/2.8 macro is going to be smaller/cheaper then either it needs to be slower (e.g. f/4) or built with cheaper and lighter materials.
A 450mm tele prime? Wow, that's long! But why APS-C? Or do you mean a 300mm prime, which is equivalent to 450mm on APS-C?
I do agree that a tele zoom is needed - just another 55-210 with better quality optics would be fine. And I agree that the 135 f/1.8 (or 2) is the top priority.
Cheers,
John.
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The answer is yes. The APSC lens for E mount is dead. Sony is doing exactly what CaNikon did to their APSC lineup. There will be new APSC body every year, but no more new lens for APSC.
If you want a APSC body with dedicated APSC lens, Fuji is the only option.
blue_skies
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well, Canon, which has 3+ distinct lines of APS-C camera's (7d/80d/Rebels+), and arguably has a significantly larger user base of longtime shooters- has only put out like 4 or 5 new APS-C lenses in the past 4 years.
" One-Size-Fits-All " FF lenses makes more sense tho.
" One-Size-Fits-All " FF lenses makes more sense tho.
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thoth22
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Perhaps you should let Canon users know their apsc EF-S system is also dead since most of the Canon new lenses are for full frame. Okay, bad timing on this comment as they just released a new 18-55 f/4-f/5.6 lens. When I shot w/ Canon 7d I used a mix of full frame (ef 100 f/2) and apsc exclusive (tamron 17-50). Now with Sony I have an FE 50mm f/1.8 that is super for the price I got it for and old Minolta MD's that were made for full frame. I was just at best buy a few days ago to check out the 24-240 and 35 f/2.8. I don't think either are overwhelming for the a6xxx bodies, the 35 is extremely petite. I've got lots of gas right about now.
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snapa
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No, the Sony E-mount format is not dead, only the addition of APS-C E-mount lenses it seems have been forsaken. If you are not happy with the native lenses you currently own, or the ones available to you now, you need to look elseware.
If you are not willing to buy FF FE lenses or adapters, you are simply SOL, so deal with it. Sure, it would be great if Sony would add to or update some of its existing native lens lineup, but they have chosen a different direction. You need to either learn to get the most out of your current native lenses and be happy with them, or jump ship.
If you are stuck on the APS-C E-mount native lenses and want to get them most out of them, the only soluction is to upgrade to the a6300/a6500 cameras. Also, shoot only RAW and learn to post process them in Capture One Pro v10. That is what I did and I am very happy with the images I am getting out of my a6300, two zoom kit lenses and the fantasticly sharp Sigma 30 EX DN f2.8 prime.
If you could elaborate on exactly what problem you are having with your current native lenes are, maybe people can help you find a solution to your particular problem. If it is only the size, weight, or cost, there are many alternative solutions to what ever your particular problem is.
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