Vote for your preferred A-Mount lens updates

Vote for your preferred A-Mount lens updates


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Douglas F Watt

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Dear Sony A Mount Forum Members:

There has been TONS of back and forth about this, much of it contentious, but little real research by our forum on the question of WHAT LENS UPDATES/CHANGES SONY SHOULD MAKE FOR A MOUNT. These are all in the FF territory, as the APS-C lens library is pretty extensive.

Despite trying to cover all the main bases, I suspect that this will still be a partial and incomplete list - please feel free to suggest options that I may have left out.
 
I wish I could have voted twice. I voted for lower cost but I would also like to see a reasonably priced refresh of the long fast Minolta telephotos.
 
I wish I could have voted twice. I voted for lower cost but I would also like to see a reasonably priced refresh of the long fast Minolta telephotos.
 
I wouldn't consider the Zeiss 50mm as one of the classic primes, it's the newest Zeiss prime out of the batch for the A-mount. It used a new optical design at the time, is SSM, dust and moisture sealed, and was announced the same year that the 70-200 G and 70-400 G SSM II's. It's at least 3 years younger than the Zeiss 24mm.
 
I wouldn't consider the Zeiss 50mm as one of the classic primes, it's the newest Zeiss prime out of the batch for the A-mount. It used a new optical design at the time, is SSM, dust and moisture sealed, and was announced the same year that the 70-200 G and 70-400 G SSM II's. It's at least 3 years younger than the Zeiss 24mm.
 
I wish I could have voted twice. I voted for lower cost but I would also like to see a reasonably priced refresh of the long fast Minolta telephotos.
Tom
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Cheers,
Ralf
 
Sony has done some extensive surveys in Japan on updating of primes: may want to contribute to this

A simple "we'll work on a few lenses as per this roadmap" would go a long way Sony...

A 50, an 85, a 24-105, a 24-70, a 70-200 rework would probably do the job.
 
Imagine a beercan with the exact same optical design, updated coatings, and SSM with all-internal operation. Any and all optical shortcomings could be excused with a "classic" designation. Now do the same thing with the 100/2, 35/2, and a few others like maybe the secret handshake. Work the classic angle.
 
Yep, no update needed for the SAL50F14Z. Maybe the Sony (old Minolta) SAL50F14.

Brett
 
Imagine a beercan with the exact same optical design, updated coatings, and SSM with all-internal operation. Any and all optical shortcomings could be excused with a "classic" designation. Now do the same thing with the 100/2, 35/2, and a few others like maybe the secret handshake. Work the classic angle.
Ahoy!

The 70-210/4 Macro is (like many other standard Minolta lenses) are highly sought-after and rated, but unfortunately, many shooters who seek these lenses are being misinformed as there are many alternative make/models that are just better, and as in 99% of cases, these are new shooters being advised and directed towards these lens models, and likely because they have nothing to make a comparison against (just like SAL 70-300/400 G SSM lenses) and so are deemed as being the best thing since sliced bread, but guess what . . . they're not!

As for improvements and/or changes to specific make/models, as it stands, AFAIK the Sony re-branded lenses are no different to the original Minolta models (I've owned several Sony re-branded lenses and they're the same in all but name and/or 'possibly' better lens coatings), so why pay 2x, 3x, 4x etc more for the same thing? Makes no sense does it? Sony have released mega-priced pointless lens models such as the SAL500F4 and the cocked up Series 1 70-300/400 SSM G models, though had they taken a leaf from the Minolta lens bible, they could've released RS versions of the original Minolta models, though would they be better than 3rd party optics of a similar focal range at similar prices, who knows, but I doubt we'll ever know, though I wonder what E-Mount shooters would like as dedicated lenses models of choice and therefore requires no adapters or full sized lenses which defeats the point of a compact system and using full sized lenses, but are there sufficient quality and price-range options available or is it an expensive option compared to A-Mount? Anyway, each to their own, and as long as everyone is happy, then who am I to criticise?
 
Imagine a beercan with the exact same optical design, updated coatings, and SSM with all-internal operation. Any and all optical shortcomings could be excused with a "classic" designation. Now do the same thing with the 100/2, 35/2, and a few others like maybe the secret handshake. Work the classic angle.
Ahoy!

The 70-210/4 Macro is (like many other standard Minolta lenses) are highly sought-after and rated, but unfortunately, many shooters who seek these lenses are being misinformed as there are many alternative make/models that are just better, and as in 99% of cases, these are new shooters being advised and directed towards these lens models, and likely because they have nothing to make a comparison against (just like SAL 70-300/400 G SSM lenses) and so are deemed as being the best thing since sliced bread, but guess what . . . they're not!

As for improvements and/or changes to specific make/models, as it stands, AFAIK the Sony re-branded lenses are no different to the original Minolta models (I've owned several Sony re-branded lenses and they're the same in all but name and/or 'possibly' better lens coatings), so why pay 2x, 3x, 4x etc more for the same thing? Makes no sense does it? Sony have released mega-priced pointless lens models such as the SAL500F4 and the cocked up Series 1 70-300/400 SSM G models, though had they taken a leaf from the Minolta lens bible, they could've released RS versions of the original Minolta models, though would they be better than 3rd party optics of a similar focal range at similar prices, who knows, but I doubt we'll ever know, though I wonder what E-Mount shooters would like as dedicated lenses models of choice and therefore requires no adapters or full sized lenses which defeats the point of a compact system and using full sized lenses, but are there sufficient quality and price-range options available or is it an expensive option compared to A-Mount? Anyway, each to their own, and as long as everyone is happy, then who am I to criticise?
 
The 70-210/4 Macro is (like many other standard Minolta lenses) are highly sought-after and rated, but unfortunately, many shooters who seek these lenses are being misinformed
I don't think they are being misinformed, or at the very least when I sought the lens the information I was operating off of was completely accurate:
  • this is an old lens, and lacks modern coatings and advancements in optics
  • it is screw drive, no internal motor
  • MF is unpleasant due to the very narrow focus ring
  • the outer element extends slightly when focusing and rotates
  • because it is old, sample variation is all over the place thus a return policy is worth paying extra attention to
  • excellent condition copies can be purchased for $100 or even less
If a shooter seeks this lens and finds a good condition one for $100, they have done themselves well. I have nothing but praise for the beercan, it is an excellent portrait lens and I have used it frequently for outdoor concerts. The bokeh in particular is outstanding, and unmatched (IMHO) for a zoom (disclaimer: I am a bit of a bokeh snob). To your point, I think if someone were to claim it can be a substitute for modern zoom with all their accouterments, at a fraction of the price, that would be misinformation. But I have not seen it described as such.

I have not seen it referred to as "macro" before. It does have "macro" labeled on the lens at 210mm, which yields only 1:4 magnification. The box does not use the word "macro" anywhere, so I'll give Minolta credit for not pushing "macro" to heavily. The "micro beecan" 35-70/4 has a "dedicated macro mode" that also only gets 1:4, so neither are close enough to 1:1 to qualify as "macro" to me.
As for improvements and/or changes to specific make/models, as it stands, AFAIK the Sony re-branded lenses are no different to the original Minolta models
I don't know if that is always the case. I have the Minolta 35/1.4G and my understanding is the Sony model is as you suggest with (perhaps) better coatings. I think the 50/1.4 is as well (not the much newer Zeiss 50/1.4).
(I've owned several Sony re-branded lenses and they're the same in all but name and/or 'possibly' better lens coatings), so why pay 2x, 3x, 4x etc more for the same thing? Makes no sense does it?
I don't know what pricing could be expected, certainly 4x would make no sense in most cases... but a $400 updated beercan or $200 updated micro-beercan certainly would!
 
The A99ii is a superb sports camera but it can't be taken seriously by sports shooters until there is something comparable to the Sigma 120-300/2.8 in the Sony library.
 
Great topic Douglas.

Of course I voted for update primes.

Color me into a new 400mm Sony and I can begin to liquidate the Canon kit.
 
Imagine a beercan with the exact same optical design, updated coatings, and SSM with all-internal operation. Any and all optical shortcomings could be excused with a "classic" designation. Now do the same thing with the 100/2, 35/2, and a few others like maybe the secret handshake. Work the classic angle.
Not sure about the "exact same optical design", but a modern version of identical parameters (4/70-210), similar size and similar rendering character but without the purple fringing and lower contrast when shot wide open at the long end would have me highly interested. SSM of course...
Ahoy!

The 70-210/4 Macro is (like many other standard Minolta lenses) are highly sought-after and rated, but unfortunately, many shooters who seek these lenses are being misinformed as there are many alternative make/models that are just better, and as in 99% of cases, these are new shooters being advised and directed towards these lens models, and likely because they have nothing to make a comparison against (just like SAL 70-300/400 G SSM lenses) and so are deemed as being the best thing since sliced bread, but guess what . . . they're not!
A good copy of the Beercan when purchased for approx. 100 US-$ / Euros offers tons of photographic opportunities to newbies seeking a good lens on a budget. No point in comparing it to any new Glens. Think of the immensely different price points for a start and your "argument" falls apart.

I sold my copy I bought for - guess what - 100 Euro at the same price to a very good friend of mine who started out in photography. He could not be happier, the lens gets frequent use on his a68. And even though my lens stable is full of wild horses I sometimes miss that pony for its rendering characteristics. A good beercan for 100 $/Euros is a lot of sliced bread to satisfy a lot of photographic appetite. Basta.
as long as everyone is happy
Well, you are not and it shows. Very frequently around here and along the same lines.
who am I to criticise?
To answer that question: A forum member with an agenda which is well known to most here. If I wasn't concerned that newbies here would take any of your beercan bashing serious, I would not have bothered to post.
 
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ZA 1.4/50 doesn't need any changes. It's great.

ZA 85 and 135 needs SSM and sealing.

ZA 24 needs new coatings and other stuff - it's very nice but suffers from RED flare with a sun near image border. And it's not weather sealed.
 
Imagine a beercan with the exact same optical design, updated coatings, and SSM with all-internal operation. Any and all optical shortcomings could be excused with a "classic" designation. Now do the same thing with the 100/2, 35/2, and a few others like maybe the secret handshake. Work the classic angle.
 
The A99ii is a superb sports camera but it can't be taken seriously by sports shooters until there is something comparable to the Sigma 120-300/2.8 in the Sony library.
 
Personally, I would like a 300 and/or 400 f4 of the best quality. That 300 f2.8 is a beast for this old man to handhold.
Yes, and that's the only reason I sold mine. Just too heavy. Lovely lens though. I would think that a 300 f4 mag alloy or a 400 4 could be made for under 2.5-3.5 lbs respectively fairly easily. The 300 APO HS G was perhaps the highest rated legacy tele prime along with the 300 2.8 and the 200 2.8. It's just about 3 lbs which is pretty manageable. But the 300 2.8 is 5.5 lbs. That's a lot of weight, esp. when you consider that the G2 is 3.3 lbs. Hand holding anything more than that gets to you after a while. I can hand hold the Sigma 500 briefly (for a half an hour or 45 minutes). Can barely handhold the Minolta 600 for even a few minutes (15 lbs with the camera).
 

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