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Just received the D30 in time for my Europe trip. Loaded it with a Microtech 128M CF. Had a chance to shoot with it some before I left, and was dismayed to get the Error 22 message. I reformatted and took it with me anyway, figuring it was a one time thing.

However, after anywhere from 10 to 30 images, the camera will lock up in the disk access mode. I tried a Scantech 80M CF, same problem. The CF access light goes on and the picture number flashes, just as it is supposed to, except the only way to get it to quit accessing is to remove the battery. I waited more than a minute on multiple occassions just in case it was actually writing something.

Once you reset the camera this way, you will get "corrupted data" messages on the last image. Worse, you lose random images already on the card. You can keep shooting until you get the Error 22 message, at which time the CF is useless without reformatting. According to my counter, I took approx. 600 images and I only have 40 left to show for it.

Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
 
John Laninga said:
According to my counter, I took approx. 600 images and I only have
40 left to show for it.

Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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Sorry to hear about your troubles. I've used both a 1gig MD and a 128 Lexar with 0 problems (over 2000 images so far).
 
John-

Not to start a card war here, but both of the cards you tried (Microtech & Sandisk) lean towards the lower end of the quality scale. Maybe you should spend the money and get a Lexar card. I use the 160/10x in my D30 and it just purrs. Also the IBM 512/1g Microdrives work really well.

But its not really fair to blame the D30 when inferior cards are the problem. Good Luck.

Matt
John Laninga said:
Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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I had a similar problem with an S10 I bought for my wife. Sent it back to factory service, where they replaced the CF module, and I had it back in about a week. Now it works beautifully. Perhaps you should take that approach before you give up on what seems to be a wonderful camera.
John Laninga said:
Just received the D30 in time for my Europe trip. Loaded it with a
Microtech 128M CF. Had a chance to shoot with it some before I
left, and was dismayed to get the Error 22 message. I reformatted
and took it with me anyway, figuring it was a one time thing.

However, after anywhere from 10 to 30 images, the camera will lock
up in the disk access mode. I tried a Scantech 80M CF, same
problem. The CF access light goes on and the picture number
flashes, just as it is supposed to, except the only way to get it
to quit accessing is to remove the battery. I waited more than a
minute on multiple occassions just in case it was actually writing
something.

Once you reset the camera this way, you will get "corrupted data"
messages on the last image. Worse, you lose random images already
on the card. You can keep shooting until you get the Error 22
message, at which time the CF is useless without reformatting.
According to my counter, I took approx. 600 images and I only have
40 left to show for it.

Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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Anthony said:
How much do you want for the camera?
I'll take the problem off your hands.
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STOP! The problem is the CF card. I had the same thing with a simple technology card. Sweitched to a Lexar card and it has worked fine. Over 1,000 images with no problem.
 
John had problems with Microtech and Scantech(?) non Sandisk. Do not know who Scantech is but I know Microtech quite well as I have had problems with one theirs as well.

I standarized on Sandisk several years ago and have not had any problems. Sandisk is the inventor and patent holder of the CF flash card. I have over 1 GB of San Disk storage on eight cards. I have used San Disk for five years without a single failure. Sandisk is the supplier of the compact flash cards to Canon to include as the Canon brand disk.
matt said:
Matt
John Laninga said:
Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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Sorry, Scantech was a company I visited in Europe. I should have said I had the same problem with the 80M Sandisk card. Jetlag....

I haven't tried the supplied Canon card yet, mainly because it is only 16M. And, also not to perpetuate a CF war, but are there definitve diferences between brands?

John
RDM said:
I standarized on Sandisk several years ago and have not had any
problems. Sandisk is the inventor and patent holder of the CF
flash card. I have over 1 GB of San Disk storage on eight cards. I
have used San Disk for five years without a single failure.
Sandisk is the supplier of the compact flash cards to Canon to
include as the Canon brand disk.
matt said:
Matt
John Laninga said:
Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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I realize different CF cards have different speeds but where do you get information that certain cards are higher quality? Is this known and published somewhere or is it your personal observation? I am interested in CF quality, are there any good websites regarding this?

Incidently I have 4 different brands and have had no problems.

GR
matt said:
Matt
John Laninga said:
Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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I do not have a wide range of brand experience except with Sandisk. They are a Silicon Valley company and they invented the compactflash CF format. I live in Silicon Valley and know they are highly regarded as a company.

I bought one card from Microtech. It was about four years ago. It was cheaper than the Sandisk.. Why not save some money. It failed almost immediately. I learned Microtech is a Tiawanese company. I decided to try Sandisk and have bought many of their cards with no failures. I am sorry to hear of your failure.

I have many friends that have had no failures and they have used many different brands, though I do have one friend that did have one card fail.
I guess there is some randomness to it.
John Laninga said:
I haven't tried the supplied Canon card yet, mainly because it is
only 16M. And, also not to perpetuate a CF war, but are there
definitve diferences between brands?

John
RDM said:
I standarized on Sandisk several years ago and have not had any
problems. Sandisk is the inventor and patent holder of the CF
flash card. I have over 1 GB of San Disk storage on eight cards. I
have used San Disk for five years without a single failure.
Sandisk is the supplier of the compact flash cards to Canon to
include as the Canon brand disk.
matt said:
Matt
John Laninga said:
Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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I have had similar problems with an IBM 1 Gb Microdrive. The only way to reset the camera was to remove the battery. The on/off switch was out of function. After removing I got a corrupted data file - all other files were not affected. The display shows none 'Error 22' message. Within 2.000 shots I got this malfunction for two times. I think this is a software bug!!

Ulrich
John Laninga said:
Just received the D30 in time for my Europe trip. Loaded it with a
Microtech 128M CF. Had a chance to shoot with it some before I
left, and was dismayed to get the Error 22 message. I reformatted
and took it with me anyway, figuring it was a one time thing.

However, after anywhere from 10 to 30 images, the camera will lock
up in the disk access mode. I tried a Scantech 80M CF, same
problem. The CF access light goes on and the picture number
flashes, just as it is supposed to, except the only way to get it
to quit accessing is to remove the battery. I waited more than a
minute on multiple occassions just in case it was actually writing
something.

Once you reset the camera this way, you will get "corrupted data"
messages on the last image. Worse, you lose random images already
on the card. You can keep shooting until you get the Error 22
message, at which time the CF is useless without reformatting.
According to my counter, I took approx. 600 images and I only have
40 left to show for it.

Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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John:

I was having problems with my Microtech 64MB CF card and the D30, getting Err 22

messages all the time. The card was working well on my S100 but choking on the D30. I

have since switched to a friend's Viking Components 64MB and have not had any problems.

So, before returning the D30, I would, as others have suggested on this thread, check out
CF cards from Lexar, Viking, or the MicroDrives (500MB - 1 gig).

Good luck!

-adam
John Laninga said:
Just received the D30 in time for my Europe trip. Loaded it with a
Microtech 128M CF. Had a chance to shoot with it some before I
left, and was dismayed to get the Error 22 message. I reformatted
and took it with me anyway, figuring it was a one time thing.

However, after anywhere from 10 to 30 images, the camera will lock
up in the disk access mode. I tried a Scantech 80M CF, same
problem. The CF access light goes on and the picture number
flashes, just as it is supposed to, except the only way to get it
to quit accessing is to remove the battery. I waited more than a
minute on multiple occassions just in case it was actually writing
something.

Once you reset the camera this way, you will get "corrupted data"
messages on the last image. Worse, you lose random images already
on the card. You can keep shooting until you get the Error 22
message, at which time the CF is useless without reformatting.
According to my counter, I took approx. 600 images and I only have
40 left to show for it.

Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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Mark Zarn said:
John Laninga said:
Just received the D30 in time for my Europe trip. Loaded it with a
Microtech 128M CF. Had a chance to shoot with it some before I
left, and was dismayed to get the Error 22 message. I reformatted
and took it with me anyway, figuring it was a one time thing.

However, after anywhere from 10 to 30 images, the camera will lock
up in the disk access mode. I tried a Scantech 80M CF, same
problem. The CF access light goes on and the picture number
flashes, just as it is supposed to, except the only way to get it
to quit accessing is to remove the battery. I waited more than a
minute on multiple occassions just in case it was actually writing
something.

Once you reset the camera this way, you will get "corrupted data"
messages on the last image. Worse, you lose random images already
on the card. You can keep shooting until you get the Error 22
message, at which time the CF is useless without reformatting.
According to my counter, I took approx. 600 images and I only have
40 left to show for it.

Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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I have the Microtech 128 mg compact flash for 2 months (I shoot with the Fuji S1) and I've
no problems. Sounds like a job for Canon.
 
I had the same problem on sunday, took a picture and saw the 'Err 22' message. Haven't had this before, but I simply switched off the camera, then switched it on again and reformated my 340MB MD in the camera. After that it worked. I remember that I formated the MD in my Laptop before I put it in my D30, maybe there's the problem?

But there's another strange thing: When I drag the 'DCIM'-folder from my MD into the trash-folder (with the shift-key pressed) on my Laptop and put it back into the camera, there are shown 95 RAW shots available. But when I reformat the MD in the camera after taking some pictures, it shows sometimes 90, sometimes 92 RAW shots available. Anyone else with this problem?

Marc
Ulrich said:
I have had similar problems with an IBM 1 Gb Microdrive. The only
way to reset the camera was to remove the battery. The on/off
switch was out of function. After removing I got a corrupted data
file - all other files were not affected. The display shows none
'Error 22' message. Within 2.000 shots I got this malfunction for
two times. I think this is a software bug!!

Ulrich
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On the D30 Raw shots are losslessly compressed.

With any compression algorithm file sizes will vary depending upon the picture content, explaining your being able to fit more pictures on the card than the camera estimated in the pictures-left counter.
Marc said:
But there's another strange thing: When I drag the 'DCIM'-folder
from my MD into the trash-folder (with the shift-key pressed) on my
Laptop and put it back into the camera, there are shown 95 RAW
shots available. But when I reformat the MD in the camera after
taking some pictures, it shows sometimes 90, sometimes 92 RAW shots
available. Anyone else with this problem?

Marc
Ulrich said:
I have had similar problems with an IBM 1 Gb Microdrive. The only
way to reset the camera was to remove the battery. The on/off
switch was out of function. After removing I got a corrupted data
file - all other files were not affected. The display shows none
'Error 22' message. Within 2.000 shots I got this malfunction for
two times. I think this is a software bug!!

Ulrich
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Yes, I know, but that doesn't explain why there are 95 free RAW shots shown on the top LCD every time I format the MD with my computer and only 90 or 92 free RAW shots every time I format the MD with the camera. Obviously there must be a difference between the in-camera formating and the formating with my computer (and I never experienced this behaviour with my Pro70).

Marc
Derek Clarke said:
On the D30 Raw shots are losslessly compressed.

With any compression algorithm file sizes will vary depending upon
the picture content, explaining your being able to fit more
pictures on the card than the camera estimated in the pictures-left
counter.
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Today I called the technical service at canon-europhoto! The failure is well known! It's a malfunction of the cf-card respectively of the microdrive. For redress the cf-card/microdrive should be formatted within the D30. After that, the failure should not be appears again. The on/off switch is out of control to avoid losing the file while the D30 is attempting to write to the cf-card/microdrive!

Regards

Ulrich
John Laninga said:
Just received the D30 in time for my Europe trip. Loaded it with a
Microtech 128M CF. Had a chance to shoot with it some before I
left, and was dismayed to get the Error 22 message. I reformatted
and took it with me anyway, figuring it was a one time thing.

However, after anywhere from 10 to 30 images, the camera will lock
up in the disk access mode. I tried a Scantech 80M CF, same
problem. The CF access light goes on and the picture number
flashes, just as it is supposed to, except the only way to get it
to quit accessing is to remove the battery. I waited more than a
minute on multiple occassions just in case it was actually writing
something.

Once you reset the camera this way, you will get "corrupted data"
messages on the last image. Worse, you lose random images already
on the card. You can keep shooting until you get the Error 22
message, at which time the CF is useless without reformatting.
According to my counter, I took approx. 600 images and I only have
40 left to show for it.

Shame, I was just getting used to the D30...
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Thanks for this info Ulrich, but what if I reformat my microdrive again in my computer (after reformating it within the D30). Can this failure then appear again?

Marc
Ulrich said:
Today I called the technical service at canon-europhoto! The
failure is well known! It's a malfunction of the cf-card
respectively of the microdrive. For redress the cf-card/microdrive
should be formatted within the D30. After that, the failure should
not be appears again. The on/off switch is out of control to avoid
losing the file while the D30 is attempting to write to the
cf-card/microdrive!

Regards

Ulrich
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