Alternative term for "exposure triangle"?

Here is a better exposure "triangle":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_value

Wait, no ISO??? ;-)

Popular exposure chart type, showing exposure values EV (red lines) as combinations of aperture and shutter speed values. The green lines are sample program lines, by which a digital camera automatically selects both the shutter speed and the aperture for given exposure value (brightness of light), when set to Program mode (P). (Canon, n.d.)

Popular exposure chart type, showing exposure values EV (red lines) as combinations of aperture and shutter speed values. The green lines are sample program lines, by which a digital camera automatically selects both the shutter speed and the aperture for given exposure value (brightness of light), when set to Program mode (P). (Canon, n.d.)
'Exposure Value' isn't 'brightness of light. As you correctly say above, it is the combination of f-number and shutter. The confusion is cause because flash and AF specs measure brightness of light in EV₁₀₀, which is the brightness of light where the given EV value gives nominal exposure at 100ISO. Unfortunately the subscript '100' usually gets left off, leading people to thing that 'EV' describes the brightness of light.

Like the dreaded 'triangle' your diagram omits the brightness of the light.
So it is a triangle after all? ;-)

Yes, EV is a relative measure of exposure (for a fixed scene luminance); the actual exposure needs to include the scene luminance. If we start digging deeper, we will discover that the light varies across the scene and across the frame, so we may have to include the position, and that adds two more variables to the three we have already.
Including scene luminance is like saying you need to include pebbles to count how many pebbles there are ;-)

Exposure metering is trying to determine the scene luminance, imho.
That's 'light metering'. There are many kinds of 'light meter'. For instance

https://www.pce-instruments.com/english/measuring-instruments/test-meters/lux-meter-kat_40074_1.htm

An exposure meter does something slightly different. You give it a target exposure (by setting the ISO) and measure the light, it then tells you the EV needed with that light to achieve the target exposure.

That's all that ISO does, set a target exposure then arrange the processing such that the target exposure gets rendered as a representation of 18% grey (which is actually 12.6% grey, but that's a different story).
I suppose "exposure metering" is using a "light metering" to come up with the exposure needed at the given ISO setting including additional gain, if any, to come up with a raw file that fills up the available DR (pixel well capacity and ADC bit width) and an offset to render 18% gray target as 18% gray image.
You're not supposed to be rendering 18% grey 'target' as 18% grey 'image'. The reason is at the root of the error of 'light in' - 'light out' thinking.
Mea culpa :-(
Your output image has to represent all the objects that you see by reflected light, from 'black' to 'white'. Then is has to represent things brighter than that, else, for instance a shiny white surface, with specular reflections, looks just 'white'. Since the whole thing is based on the idea of a reflective print, the only way to do that is to print the print a bit 'darker' than a one for one correspondence. Thus the light reflected from an 18% grey subject produces a 12.6% grey representation of it in the output.
Thanks for that: 18% to 12.6%
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Why does it need renaming at all? Atleast two thirds (the shutter speed and the aperture) do indeed affect the exposure (in its true meaning), and the shape of the triangle makes sense, if it is drawn correctly (see below).

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This triangle seems to tell me that if I want to shoot at f/5.6 in daylight (something I often do with my APS-C cameras) that I have to use a shutter from 1/8 to 1/125 and an ISO from 1600 to 12800. This will result in a lot of blown highlights! My most typical settings at f/5.6 in daylight would actually be 1/800 and ISO 100.
Simply, you would have another triangle for your typical settings giving you the other possible combinations.
The person who presented this triangle seemed to assert that it was correctly drawn. You seem to assert that it omits indicating that it is for a specific level of light, or perhaps more correctly that it is for a specific set of combinations of light level and image lightness. Such an omission seems to be the norm for presentations of "exposure triangles". One might question the usefulness of a model that typically omits input variables of such importance.
Furthermore it seems to tell me that if I used 1/800 f/5.6 ISO 400 instead of 1/800 f/5.6 ISO 100 I would get a noisier image. In fact I would get a slightly less noisy image.
Not exactly... If you have an exposure triangle for the settings 1/800 f5.6 ISO100 then the combination with 1/800s f5.6 ISO400 is not possible. If you choose ISO400 in the same exposure triangle, the image will be noisier. So according to me it seems correct, it leads in fact to a good understanding imho.
Are you suggesting that most users of "exposure triangle" models do not think that the model tells them that increasing ISO necessarily and unconditonally results in an increase in noise?
IF most of them think that, then most of them are using wrong thinking. Increasing ISO doesn't necessarily result in more noise. It can result in LESS noise.
Also, the diagram seems to tell me that If I use f/2.8 I should get a far amount of bokeh (by which I presume they actually mean I will get a shallow DoF). Yet when I shoot a 1/2.3" sensor camera at f/2.8 my DoF stretches to infinity unless I focus closer than about 2/3 of a metre away.
it just says shallower or deeper, just use this termnology if you think this is less confusing.
Actually the model presented says "bokeh!" and "all in focus". I suppose you are suggesting an improvement to the "correctly drawn" version.
Finally, the diagram doesn't seem to tell me how I should change my settings as the light changes.
A diagram must be shown with explanations.
Typically the explanations accompanying "exposure triangles" explain that increasing ISO increases noise, without suggesting this is true only if exposure is reduced by a corresponding amount.
And that explanation for digital (increasing ISO increases noise) can be wrong.
Of course they don't differentiate between exposure and brightness.
That may be a problem for them.
Furthermore, they typically are accompanied by an explanation that increasing ISO increases the sensitivity of the sensor. In fact the only "sensitivity" that is increased by an increase in ISO setting is the output sensitivity of the camera system (not the sensor).

You seem to be aware of many of the shortcoming of the exposure triangle as it is usually presented. Do you think a properly presented version is srill the most useful conceptual model for digital photographers, or would a model of exposure showing its actual three parameters, and a model showing exposure balanced with ISO to produce a target brightness be a more useful conceptual model?
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The exposure triangle as a ternary plot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_plot, perfectly shows the interdependence between three parameters. However, it might be a bit overkill for a photography course. (What about faucet and kitchen sink metaphers ?)

What is controversial is the choice of the three parameters. I personnally think it is a mistake to establish a symetry between aperture, exposure time and amplification. For me, the exposure triangle should be built arround aperture, exposure time and luminance. Amplification should be treated as a separate parameter.
The reason those three parameters are used in the triangle is because in traditional available light photography one can only control those three parameters. When controllable lighting is added to the mix one can then use the full exposure square.

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Do you never use gray filters with available light ? ;-)

A tetraeder would be more suitable than a square. But, as I said, I don't like it because it supports the idea the iso parameter is similar to the others. Yet, as we know, with digital photography it doesn't impact exposure, only the image brightness.

I prefer to use the iso as a constant (ie native iso value), hence the exposure triangle.
 
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The signal.
What is 'the signal'?
In an image, it is the differences between the outputs from the pixels. These can be analysed as spatial waveforms, just as digital sound signals can be analysed as temporal waveforms. (Both are limited by the sampling frequency.)
The engineering definition of 'signal' is 'a representation of information'. You're confusing what is the carrier of the 'signal' with what is the 'signal'. That is vert common.

But at least you gave a definition, unlike the person of whom the question was asked.

Once one has a correct definition of 'signal' it's clear that the idea that the 'signal' is amplified is absurd. The carrier of the signal is amplified. It makes no difference to the information which the signal represents.
You play a bit too much on words saying that everybody is wrong, it becomes a bit irritating. Especially when this is nitpicking.
It's not nitpicking. You're actually just plain wrong. ISO is not 'amplification' So rather than just tell you 'you're wrong' (oh well, I have now), it's better for you to work through yourself and understand why you're wrong. See above, what is 'the signal'? You will find that you can't give a meaningful answer, because the you're already on meaningless territory.
If you multiply all the numbers representing samples in a wave, what happens to the amplitude of the wave ?
As I said above, the carrier is amplified. The 'signal' is unaffected, because the information represented does not change.
I will continue using "pp" because lot's of people understand. Try to use "p" instead, good luck !
Again, different things. The latent image needs 'processing'. Once you've 'processed' you can apply 'post processing' operations. The distinction is important, because changing the lightness in post-processing can have very different effects from setting the lightness in processing.
I don't quite get that distinction. You load a raw file into a conversion program and it does things like dealing with the colour filter array, and it alters the numbers according to for instance the white balance given in the metadata. You can immediately alter that WB if you want. Where is the sharp line between processing and PP ? -- especially for a monochrome sensor.
Typically, non-linear encoding. Plus, each additional stage you go through, you lose information. So, once you demosaic, make colour transformations (which are often not reversible) and so on, you've lost information. Always best to develop straight from the Bayer file to your desired brightness/tome curve/WB/ etc and save 'post processing' for image alteration.
Conflating different ideas into the same word is the root of confusion. Don't do it, especially around beginners.
But also, don't assume that everyone agrees with your definitions of words.
I don't. That's why I rarely make my own definitions, I use the ones that are current in the field, so well as they have been properly defined. I also like to avoid conflating two different concepts into one word. For instance, the difference between 'processing' and 'post processing'. If you say they are the same thing, it becomes impossible to geve people the good advice I gave above.
They often don't, and people argue over meanings for centuries.
Not really. In science and engineering, so long as a concept has been properly defined, it is properly defined. Some people might prefer different terms, and often different terms go about, but they are clearly and formally defined, so people don't argue about the definitions.
 
For a given light intensity.
Rather for a specific light intensity.
you are not nitpicking, what a strange idea I had to say so !! :-)
No, I'm not nitpicking.
I haven't changed a word of your answer, no need. . Honestly, I could not imagine you would illustrate that much the word nitpicking ! It was spot on.
No, it wasn't. 'Given' and 'specific' mean different things. The exposure for which this triangle works was never 'given', it has to be assumed. 'Given' is information 'given' on which you base your understanding. Exactly my point is that the information that you need to understand the triangle is not 'given'.
I think in fact the exposure triangle is not for nitpickers. Of course, I would advise any beginner to understand the exposure triangle.
That would be bad advice. It's a nonsense, not 'understandable'. The only people who like it are the ones who are yet to understand. It gives them a faux understanding. Instead of actually understanding, they just pass this complete nonsense between themselves.

Have you worked out what is the 'signal' yet?
Don't you know wikipedia ? Honestly, you should.
Yet another facile and silly avoidance. You told me that the 'signal' was amplified, so it's up to you to say what you meant. You hadn't a clue what you meant, which is why you've been making silly comments instead of answering what should have been a simple question.

So, let me tell you what a 'signal' is, and why your statement that the 'signal' was amplified was as silly as your other answers.

In engineering (and actually, every other field of discourse) a 'signal' is a representation of information. The 'carrier' of the signal is the physical phenomenon the is used to make the representation.

In photography the information is the exposure at each sampling point. The carrier of that information changes from a charge to voltage to digital numbers. The 'signal' is never amplified. The carrier might be.
 
Funny how some people want to reinvent the wheel without understanding what the wheel is good for.
Given the extensive coverage of the concept of exposure on these forums,

I suspect that we are all reasonably well versed in the term's correct definition.
You mean brainwashed?

Regardless, the exposure triangle isn't really about the definition of exposure. Define it anyway you want, the exposure triangle still works as concept.
The trouble is students tend to find the concept of the "exposure" triangle (when applied to the overall brightness of the final image) to be quite a useful concept.
Gee, I wonder why?

A triangle is a shape with three points. Changing one requires the other(s) to be changed for a given output level. Changing any of three changes the final output level.

Now, you can argue about exposure and ISO less systems and brightness and light density and levels (and yes, there is truth in those arguments.) But as a black box system, the camera output level is dependent on three parameters and that's what the exposure triangle shows.

Can anybody suggest an alternative name for the exposure triangle that would be technically acceptable and doesn't sound too ridiculous?
No. It works for digital in exactly the same way it worked for film.
 
The signal.
What is 'the signal'?
In an image, it is the differences between the outputs from the pixels. These can be analysed as spatial waveforms, just as digital sound signals can be analysed as temporal waveforms. (Both are limited by the sampling frequency.)
The engineering definition of 'signal' is 'a representation of information'. You're confusing what is the carrier of the 'signal' with what is the 'signal'. That is vert common.
The information in an image is the differences between the pixels. The information in a sound is the differences in air pressure from moment to moment. The information in a telegraph line is the difference in voltage from moment to moment.

From the information, you may be able to deduce the presence of a strawberry, a trombone, or a financier.
But at least you gave a definition, unlike the person of whom the question was asked.

Once one has a correct definition of 'signal' it's clear that the idea that the 'signal' is amplified is absurd. The carrier of the signal is amplified. It makes no difference to the information which the signal represents.
I agree that it makes no difference in general. You might multiply the numbers by so large a factor that the whole image (or part of it) goes into clipping.
You play a bit too much on words saying that everybody is wrong, it becomes a bit irritating. Especially when this is nitpicking.
It's not nitpicking. You're actually just plain wrong. ISO is not 'amplification' So rather than just tell you 'you're wrong' (oh well, I have now), it's better for you to work through yourself and understand why you're wrong. See above, what is 'the signal'? You will find that you can't give a meaningful answer, because the you're already on meaningless territory.
If you multiply all the numbers representing samples in a wave, what happens to the amplitude of the wave ?
As I said above, the carrier is amplified. The 'signal' is unaffected, because the information represented does not change.
I'm not sure what you mean by the "carrier". In radio, it is a sine wave which gets modulated, but there is no similar carrier for a data file that is an array of numbers corresponding to an array of pixels.

And bear in mind that in some sensors there is real analog amplification of the voltages.
I will continue using "pp" because lot's of people understand. Try to use "p" instead, good luck !
Again, different things. The latent image needs 'processing'. Once you've 'processed' you can apply 'post processing' operations. The distinction is important, because changing the lightness in post-processing can have very different effects from setting the lightness in processing.
I don't quite get that distinction. You load a raw file into a conversion program and it does things like dealing with the colour filter array, and it alters the numbers according to for instance the white balance given in the metadata. You can immediately alter that WB if you want. Where is the sharp line between processing and PP ? -- especially for a monochrome sensor.
Typically, non-linear encoding. Plus, each additional stage you go through, you lose information. So, once you demosaic, make colour transformations (which are often not reversible) and so on, you've lost information. Always best to develop straight from the Bayer file to your desired brightness/tome curve/WB/ etc and save 'post processing' for image alteration.
Conflating different ideas into the same word is the root of confusion. Don't do it, especially around beginners.
But also, don't assume that everyone agrees with your definitions of words.
I don't. That's why I rarely make my own definitions, I use the ones that are current in the field, so well as they have been properly defined. I also like to avoid conflating two different concepts into one word. For instance, the difference between 'processing' and 'post processing'. If you say they are the same thing, it becomes impossible to geve people the good advice I gave above.
Well, de-Bayering is non-linear, and so is WB change, so I suppose they are both PP in your sense.
They often don't, and people argue over meanings for centuries.
Not really. In science and engineering, so long as a concept has been properly defined, it is properly defined. Some people might prefer different terms, and often different terms go about, but they are clearly and formally defined, so people don't argue about the definitions.
I don't think science is quite so paradisal as that.
 
Exposure is 2 parameters, brightness includes pp...
Just 'p'. You need to process the image, no need to do anything after.
There is really a missing term.

I propose "intensity". This is a kind of intensity per pixel. In physics, this is power per unit area. The power part could be discussed but here the unit area would be pixel.
Actually, still based on a misconception. What you get in a photo isn't 'intensity' or 'power'. What it is technically is 'lightness' (the 'L' in Lab colour space). It's not intensity or power because that depends on how you view the photo. For instance, if it's a print the 'lightness' is realised by ink of a particular shade (and the 'intensity' of the ink is in reverse to the 'intensity' of the light that made the photo). Likewise, if it's and LCD screen, it governs an LCD shutter, and the more 'intense' the effect of the shutter the less of the backlight shines through.

It's this erroneous idea that a photo is both 'light in' and 'light out' that leads to many of the misconceptions that surround the triangle, not least that something has to be 'amplified' if you want to get a photo from less light.
 
Funny how some people want to reinvent the wheel without understanding what the wheel is good for.
I think that the situation is more that someone has invented a triangular wheel and some of us are wondering what it is good for.
Given the extensive coverage of the concept of exposure on these forums,

I suspect that we are all reasonably well versed in the term's correct definition.
You mean brainwashed?

Regardless, the exposure triangle isn't really about the definition of exposure. Define it anyway you want, the exposure triangle still works as concept.
Which rather begs the question, 'what is really about'?
The trouble is students tend to find the concept of the "exposure" triangle (when applied to the overall brightness of the final image) to be quite a useful concept.
Gee, I wonder why?

A triangle is a shape with three points. Changing one requires the other(s) to be changed for a given output level. Changing any of three changes the final output level.
Just read what you wrote, carefully and you'll see how hopelessy confused it is. Firstly, how does 'adjusting a triangle' relate to a 'level'? What is it on the triangle that represents the 'level'? If you move a point on a triangle, two of the sides change length. Is that what we're supposed to construe?
Now, you can argue about exposure and ISO less systems and brightness and light density and levels (and yes, there is truth in those arguments.) But as a black box system, the camera output level is dependent on three parameters and that's what the exposure triangle shows.
No, the camera output (at least the lightness in the output file) is dependent on four parameters, the scene luminance, the f-number, the exposure time and the output setting. How does the 'triangle' show that?
Can anybody suggest an alternative name for the exposure triangle that would be technically acceptable and doesn't sound too ridiculous?
No. It works for digital in exactly the same way it worked for film.
Agreed. Not at all.
 
Exposure is 2 parameters, brightness includes pp...
Just 'p'. You need to process the image, no need to do anything after.
There is really a missing term.

I propose "intensity". This is a kind of intensity per pixel. In physics, this is power per unit area. The power part could be discussed but here the unit area would be pixel.
Actually, still based on a misconception. What you get in a photo isn't 'intensity' or 'power'. What it is technically is 'lightness' (the 'L' in Lab colour space). It's not intensity or power because that depends on how you view the photo. For instance, if it's a print the 'lightness' is realised by ink of a particular shade (and the 'intensity' of the ink is in reverse to the 'intensity' of the light that made the photo). Likewise, if it's and LCD screen, it governs an LCD shutter, and the more 'intense' the effect of the shutter the less of the backlight shines through.

It's this erroneous idea that a photo is both 'light in' and 'light out' that leads to many of the misconceptions that surround the triangle, not least that something has to be 'amplified' if you want to get a photo from less light.
 
The exposure triangle as a ternary plot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_plot, perfectly shows the interdependence between three parameters. However, it might be a bit overkill for a photography course. (What about faucet and kitchen sink metaphers ?)

What is controversial is the choice of the three parameters. I personnally think it is a mistake to establish a symetry between aperture, exposure time and amplification. For me, the exposure triangle should be built arround aperture, exposure time and luminance. Amplification should be treated as a separate parameter.
The reason those three parameters are used in the triangle is because in traditional available light photography one can only control those three parameters. When controllable lighting is added to the mix one can then use the full exposure square.
 
Exposure is 2 parameters, brightness includes pp...
Just 'p'. You need to process the image, no need to do anything after.
There is really a missing term.

I propose "intensity". This is a kind of intensity per pixel. In physics, this is power per unit area. The power part could be discussed but here the unit area would be pixel.
Actually, still based on a misconception. What you get in a photo isn't 'intensity' or 'power'. What it is technically is 'lightness' (the 'L' in Lab colour space). It's not intensity or power because that depends on how you view the photo. For instance, if it's a print the 'lightness' is realised by ink of a particular shade (and the 'intensity' of the ink is in reverse to the 'intensity' of the light that made the photo). Likewise, if it's and LCD screen, it governs an LCD shutter, and the more 'intense' the effect of the shutter the less of the backlight shines through.

It's this erroneous idea that a photo is both 'light in' and 'light out' that leads to many of the misconceptions that surround the triangle, not least that something has to be 'amplified' if you want to get a photo from less light.
 
Exposure is 2 parameters, brightness includes pp...
Just 'p'. You need to process the image, no need to do anything after.
There is really a missing term.

I propose "intensity". This is a kind of intensity per pixel. In physics, this is power per unit area. The power part could be discussed but here the unit area would be pixel.
Actually, still based on a misconception. What you get in a photo isn't 'intensity' or 'power'. What it is technically is 'lightness' (the 'L' in Lab colour space). It's not intensity or power because that depends on how you view the photo. For instance, if it's a print the 'lightness' is realised by ink of a particular shade (and the 'intensity' of the ink is in reverse to the 'intensity' of the light that made the photo). Likewise, if it's and LCD screen, it governs an LCD shutter, and the more 'intense' the effect of the shutter the less of the backlight shines through.

It's this erroneous idea that a photo is both 'light in' and 'light out' that leads to many of the misconceptions that surround the triangle, not least that something has to be 'amplified' if you want to get a photo from less light.
 
The 'signal' is never amplified.
This is accomplished with signal amplification, so I am correct.

I have a challenge for you. Create a thread in "the Photographic Science and technology" forum and pretend that referring to signal amplification. is incorrect.

No problems, do it instead of trolling.
 
Change the ISO setting and the shutter speed an/or aperture required to achieve the same exposure changes, therefore it obviously does affect exposure - unless you have a strange and unusual definition of exposure.
The correct definition. Exposure is to do with how much light falls on the sensor, changing the iso doesnt affect this, hence changing iso doesnt change the exposure.
 
Change the ISO setting and the shutter speed an/or aperture required to achieve the same exposure changes, therefore it obviously does affect exposure - unless you have a strange and unusual definition of exposure.
The correct definition. Exposure is to do with how much light falls on the sensor, changing the iso doesnt affect this, hence changing iso doesnt change the exposure.
I agree.

That's why the rule should not be named the "exposure triangle" imho. I think there can be a debate about the terminology though I don't consider it is a major problem. Unfortunately, there is no terminology to express the combination of the 3 variables

But concerning the rule, it is a good rule to know imho.
 
Change the ISO setting and the shutter speed an/or aperture required to achieve the same exposure changes, therefore it obviously does affect exposure - unless you have a strange and unusual definition of exposure.
The correct definition. Exposure is to do with how much light falls on the sensor, changing the iso doesnt affect this, hence changing iso doesnt change the exposure.
I agree.

That's why the rule should not be named the "exposure triangle" imho. I think there can be a debate about the terminology though I don't consider it is a major problem. Unfortunately, there is no terminology to express the combination of the 3 variables

But concerning the rule, it is a good rule to know imho.
Exactly, I agree. I believe the only reason the name 'exposure' has stuck, is because that is what software (incl. things like Lightroom) uses to refer to the brightness of the image, which is what those tools adjust, and ISO is definitely a factor in how bright the image will be.
 
Change the ISO setting and the shutter speed an/or aperture required to achieve the same exposure changes, therefore it obviously does affect exposure - unless you have a strange and unusual definition of exposure.
The correct definition. Exposure is to do with how much light falls on the sensor, changing the iso doesnt affect this, hence changing iso doesnt change the exposure.
I agree.

That's why the rule should not be named the "exposure triangle" imho. I think there can be a debate about the terminology though I don't consider it is a major problem. Unfortunately, there is no terminology to express the combination of the 3 variables

But concerning the rule, it is a good rule to know imho.
What's the rule then?
 
Change the ISO setting and the shutter speed an/or aperture required to achieve the same exposure changes, therefore it obviously does affect exposure - unless you have a strange and unusual definition of exposure.
The correct definition. Exposure is to do with how much light falls on the sensor, changing the iso doesnt affect this, hence changing iso doesnt change the exposure.
I agree.

That's why the rule should not be named the "exposure triangle" imho. I think there can be a debate about the terminology though I don't consider it is a major problem. Unfortunately, there is no terminology to express the combination of the 3 variables

But concerning the rule, it is a good rule to know imho.
What's the rule then?
Use the exposure lock button of a camera.

Then the camera implements this rule, if you change one parameter, it will be compensated with one of the 2 remaining parameters depending on the auto mode you have selected.

Concretely, this is exactly what this rule is about !
 
The 'signal' is never amplified.
This is accomplished with signal amplification,
What is accomplished by 'signal amplification'?
so I am correct.
No, you haven't a clue.
I have a challenge for you. Create a thread in "the Photographic Science and technology" forum and pretend that referring to signal amplification. is incorrect.
Already done and discussed. Not bothering to look up the quote here.

Back to the chase. 'ISO' is not 'amplification'. The ISO control on some cameras over some of the iSO range includes a variable voltage gain stage. That, as the name suggests changes the 'amplification' of the voltage. The 'signal' is not 'amplified'.
No problems, do it instead of trolling.
I'm not trolling, you are, insisting on your definitions of something that you know nothing about, and on a beginner's forum to. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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