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The case for the 12-100mm
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Frdric BERNARD
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and many comparisons in this forum ...
An extraordinary lens indeed ... something special to MFT
An extraordinary lens indeed ... something special to MFT
jano50
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Unfortunatelly i had less time to shoot since i got my lens, but what i see is basically confirms the review. (it will be interesting to test it against the pana 14-140 II)
What nobody mentions is the somewhat wobbly extending lens part. I believe this is very annoying in the >1k category...
What nobody mentions is the somewhat wobbly extending lens part. I believe this is very annoying in the >1k category...
Frdric BERNARD
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No, I have really no problem with the size of this lens.
As I replied to the OP in another thread, the 12-100 is just fine on travel or for a one day hiking in the mountains or in the city or anything touristic. But for casual and social shots at home or with friends, it's a little big, so I generally use in this case my E-P5 with a small lens for social shots, especially indoors : the 14-42EZ, the 20mm or the 25mm.
You have a GX8 and a GX85, so you see what I mean with the "use case" of each body.
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Guy Parsons
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Thank you for the link.
My mind has been bouncing between getting the 12-100/4 and for adding the 35-100/2.8 to the already seriously enjoyed 12-40/2.8.
I think that article swung me back to the 12-40 plus 35-100 solution, based on size (of what would be the most used lens) and performance, plus I do like having that extra stop available.
But I hear you cry, "you need to swap lenses". No I don't, I have two E-P5 bodies and could carry them already loaded and have backup body available at the same time.
Though in truth I would probably swap lenses, I find that no problem to do.
Anyway, no major holiday planned so the decision can wait a bit.
Regards...... Guy
Clayton1985
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brianric
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I don't like changing lenses in the field, so if I don't need the extra stop I can go from a three camera setup (12-35/2.8, 35-100/2.8, 7-14/4.0) to a two camera setup (12-100/4.0, 7-14/4.0).
Clayton1985
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That is my setup as well when carrying two cameras - 7-14 on one and 12-100 on the other and a prime lens and sometimes longer telephoto in the bag.
Guy Parsons
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Unlike you, I have no fear of lens changes. Usually 12-40/2.8 for most shots, next most used is Samyang 7.5mm, then the Pany 45-150mm, down the list is the 9-18mm and 45/1,8 all of which have lately been in my bag.brianric said:
Lots of lens changes over the years with 4/3 and a few M4/3 bodies and so far (touch wood) no dust worth bothering about, unless I decided to use f/22 one day - unlikely.
But hey, I could avoid lens changes.....
Joke bag, reserved for occasions like this.
Regards........ Guy
brianric
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Not practical at a charity event. I remember at one event last year where I had a GX-8 with a 12-35/2.8, a Fuji XT-1 with 10-24/4.0 and GX-8 with 35-100/2.8 and some lady came up and said why three cameras, why not one and just swap lenses. I patiently explained my reason why, then I had my snarky response that after working in nuclear power for 40 years (8 years Navy, 32 years civilian) I saved my pennies to be able to afford three cameras.
Roger Engelken
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It is a good thing then that I have both, as well as the 40-150mm PRO lens, I do not need to choose. 
The 12-40 offers f/2.8, the 12-100 offers stabilization with my E-M1s, of which I have two. If one has to choose only one, then I would admit freely there are pros and cons to both. This presents a case, and no doubt there are other cases to be had. Reading up is never a bad thing to do.
I for one am happy to have a selection to choose from. Thanks for the link.
The 12-40 offers f/2.8, the 12-100 offers stabilization with my E-M1s, of which I have two. If one has to choose only one, then I would admit freely there are pros and cons to both. This presents a case, and no doubt there are other cases to be had. Reading up is never a bad thing to do.
I for one am happy to have a selection to choose from. Thanks for the link.
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dv, thanks for the link.
For me, it's not a fear of lens changes as much as a desire to simplify and speed up photography when hiking, etc. I used an unsealed E-PL1 for years in bad conditions without a problem, so I'm not worried about filling a body with dust & water.
The friends I travel with aren't terribly patient, so having a wider FL range ready to go might make it faster & easier to get what I want. I've dropped my pack weight considerably, so it's easier for me to hike ahead, take a photo, and get moving again, but I tend to feel rushed. That works pretty well for photos of my friends and more obvious shots, but not for opportunities that randomly appear. I don't like being rushed when I'm supposed to be having fun.
Having Dual IS available with my MkI would be another bonus. If I added the 12-100mm, I'd bring a Panasonic 20mm along for a brighter option, and possibly an Olympus 9-18mm. I need to run the maths to see how the total weight works out, but I think that could be the ticket for my trail kit.
I updated my MkI to the 4.3 firmware, so I'm going to give the 12-100 a try next week.
For me, it's not a fear of lens changes as much as a desire to simplify and speed up photography when hiking, etc. I used an unsealed E-PL1 for years in bad conditions without a problem, so I'm not worried about filling a body with dust & water.
The friends I travel with aren't terribly patient, so having a wider FL range ready to go might make it faster & easier to get what I want. I've dropped my pack weight considerably, so it's easier for me to hike ahead, take a photo, and get moving again, but I tend to feel rushed. That works pretty well for photos of my friends and more obvious shots, but not for opportunities that randomly appear. I don't like being rushed when I'm supposed to be having fun.
Having Dual IS available with my MkI would be another bonus. If I added the 12-100mm, I'd bring a Panasonic 20mm along for a brighter option, and possibly an Olympus 9-18mm. I need to run the maths to see how the total weight works out, but I think that could be the ticket for my trail kit.
I updated my MkI to the 4.3 firmware, so I'm going to give the 12-100 a try next week.
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Guy Parsons
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Understood 100%.
In that case I too would have a bunch of bodies plus lenses. Speed, convenience and backup matters most then, For my idle holiday wanderings though, that is not the case.
And yes, the "because I can" response is useful for fending off people who know better.
The nuclear power bit raises my curiosity. Once years back we visited a nuclear site in Wisconsin maybe or somewhere south of there. Not able to get closer than maybe 1/2 mile from the plant, only seen at a distance from the "how it all works" display hall.
Around the same era maybe 1996? we visited the old nuclear power plant at Dungeness in East Sussex, England. There we were in a room looking down over the top of the reactor. Bet they don't let random folks so close now. Not much to see, just a sea of top plates to cover it where they load the rods into the pressurised gas reactor. [maybe I got that wrong, the later Dungeness B is a pressurised gas reactor so not sure now how and what I remembered]. They did sniff all our (film) cameras for explosives before we went in though. Weird stuff, wearing badges and fully scanned on exit, a different world, we don't have nuclear power in Australia so it was all unusual.
Regards....... Guy
brianric
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I'll have to remember that one the next time I'm asked again.
Same in the States. Security is the biggest department at most civilian nuclear plants.
At the plant I just retired from you need to wave your badge or have a transponder on your car to gain access to owner controlled area, some two miles from the plant. You can't park your car closer than 100 feet from the security building, then you need your badge and place your right hand through a geometric hand scanner. Next any carry on items need to be placed in a bin to be x-ray. Jackets go in the bin, along with belts with big buckles that may set off the metal detector, along with keys and change in your pockets. You then go through a metal and bomb detector. Then you have another hand scan to get into the protected area. On your way out you go through another hand scan and go through a radiation detector to make sure you're not contaminated before leaving. Prohibited items are cameras, explosives, long knives, alcohol, etc. Prescription medicine must be carried in the original container to use. Can't use alcohol five hours before scheduled work. Can at any time to be required to take a fitness for duty (FFD) test, pee in the bottle and breathe through a tube. Must be 0.04 or less bac from the time you are required to be at work. So assuming you burn off 0.016% bac every hour, the company will back track from your FFD test to make sure you were not drinking on the job.
Sergey Borachev
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There is no case for this lens, AFAIC. If the 12-40mm never existed or if it's not so brilliant, then I may take another look at the new lens. Even then, it's hard to be really excited about a general-purpose lens with a max aperture of f/4. I mean, for M43, f/4 is a big compromise for a super expensive lens. For the same money, one can get the 75mm f/1.8 and the 12-40mm, two of the top quality and fast lenses in M43.
Regarding the oft mentioned value of convenience, people have to realise that, while you gain convenience by not having to change lenses, that's offset by the inconvenience of having to carry and use a big heavy lens probably on a big and heavy camera our one with a big grip, for better handling, or, on the expensive E-M1 II to make use of the little bit of extra stabilisation in the Sync-IS feature on the lens. That's fine if you have the money and muscles, but not everybody's cup of tea.
I can however see many Canon owners, those carrying a big DSLR with a big zoom lens permanently attached, getting quite interested. They are after all used to poor sensors and big cameras.
Regarding the oft mentioned value of convenience, people have to realise that, while you gain convenience by not having to change lenses, that's offset by the inconvenience of having to carry and use a big heavy lens probably on a big and heavy camera our one with a big grip, for better handling, or, on the expensive E-M1 II to make use of the little bit of extra stabilisation in the Sync-IS feature on the lens. That's fine if you have the money and muscles, but not everybody's cup of tea.
I can however see many Canon owners, those carrying a big DSLR with a big zoom lens permanently attached, getting quite interested. They are after all used to poor sensors and big cameras.
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