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Greetings, I have been a fan of the DPReview site for a long time. I know people get touchy about what camera systems they like. I am saying this up front because I am not interested in getting into what a friend calls "haterism" (Nikon, Cannon, etc.). I am seeking a better understanding of what I need from my next camera. At the moment I have nothing. Fresh start is coming.
I have a good eye and have satisfied myself and others that I can capture really good shots. But I still don't know a lot about photography (sad to say - I know I am trying to learn this too). I took many great shots with my last camera, a Panasonic Lumex FZ 10. It had a great bit of glass and I took it everywhere I went. I even was caught in a flash flood while carrying the camera. I tossed it across and into the muddy bank and was very lucky to make it out myself. Props to the Panasonic that it kept working after that for many more years.
That I had it with me that day on a hike speaks to one thing I really liked about it. It’s relatively small size and weight and relatively inexpensive footprint allowed me to come across many great shots that, had I a very expensive kit I was afraid of damaging or having stolen if I left it in my truck at a rest stop, I would never have taken out that day.
With that said, it may well be time to get the best. Rugged is important. Ergonomics are important - it has to fit into my hands. That is really what I am asking here, I am trying to understand what is the difference - with low light - between the way Fuji kits (body and lens) are similar too, better than, or not as good as Nikon, Cannon, etc. I know, it's hard to be objective if you already are invested in one of them.
I understand that Fuji is unique because of the way it's chip processes images. Not sure exactly what that means but .. roughly understanding it is enough for now. What I want to know in particular is if this Fuji system that is so different from Nikon, Cannon and the rest is going to respond to subtle changes of low light?
What I like to shoot. As a boy I loved the last page of Life magazine as it was always a photograph that was full page and in B&W. It was just a shot of someone on a street or something very simple - but it always told a story. It was communicating something. I can't imagine spending 10 minutes fiddling with settings in such an instance. So the term "point and shoot" may not be what I am saying but, not getting into ones head and fretting about everything but instead knowing your rig and trusting your gut and then just being ready when the shot appears. That is what I am looking for.
Changing light. I have noticed that there is a lot of subtlety in the quality of light. How many times have I been driving along, seen an amazing shift in the clouds over a field or a building and by the time I thought about it, decided to take a picture of it, and found a place to turn around, it was gone.
I had a friend who was a renowned artist named Valdi Marris. He said he did all his paintings during the first light of morning. He said that this early light is what he called transition light. That means that his paintings are seen by him as he paints them in this type of light. Sure enough, when I looked at his paintings at different times of day, they seem to change a bit. It seems he really had a point about how transition light is a different sort of light than daylight, mid day or midnight light.
Hopefully some of you can understand what I am asking here. I want to take better pictures in the low light of day and dusk. I have not shot raw yet so perhaps this is always going to require post processing in raw, I don't know? I remember once in Boulder Co I was up on a mountain. A road came up from the town. A couple had walked up and were sitting and talking as the sun began to rise over the city. I would have liked to get more separation, more color and more vibrancy from them, their surroundings and also allow the slowly coming brightness on the horizon. My Panasonic did an OK job but it was hardly print worthy.
My human eye sees more subtly in changing predawn light than any camera I have played with so far. Then again I have not played with that many cameras. If anyone knows, how does the Fuji system stack up in this sort of low light condition against Cannon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax, et al?
Thanks very much, especially if you took the time to read through this post.
 
I read it all! Very nice story, in fact. I don't think you would regret choosing a Fujifilm X-System camera for this work - low light is where this system excels. Either JPEG or RAW, I don't know any other system with better colours at high ISOs and white balance is always spot on. I own Sony APS and full frame bodies, Nikon 1, Canon APS and Olympus Pens (16 and 20MP sensors)... nothing comes close at night or when the daylight starts to fade deliciously. I might even dial in some negative exposure compensation to capture the atmosphere.
 
Thank you. I have read a couple of intriguing things about using Fuji systems. People tend to say how much more fun it is to use, how much easier to pick up and use so they just tend to spend more time taking pictures with it, etc. If true that says a lot to what I am looking for. I know this is going to be subjective and I don’t mind if I have to learn how to customize some settings. But I am not going to be happy as a constant fiddler with my equipment. When playing a musical instrument, I want it to be in tune, and I would like it to be of good quality. That way it will serve my musical performance and not get in the way of what I am trying to capture or express. In fact it it's a good instrument it will enhance my performances.

Same with the camera system (I hope). Ergos are also important. What fits in my hand may not be what fits in someone else's hands. Back when Fuji was still putting out Rangefinder style bodies .. I can't remember if it made any impression on me at all. At a camera demonstration in a Denver camera shop I was able to at least pick up several brands. I remember that Pentax and Nikon had a good and solid feel in my hands. For pure good feel to my touch, Pentax is still a strong contender. Sony and Cannon, not so much. Again, just saying what felt right for me, not trying to start anything against other brands.

I have yet to see one of the new X-T2's in person. I will know better how it fits in my hands when I do. I am trying my best to read between the lines as to Nikon/Cannon/everyone else vs Fuji. As you say, Fuji may be better in low light. Fuji is supposed to address their chip image creation differently than everyone else. If it turns out to be a good tool that can yield excellent results and is not too delicate so I can actually take it out into the real world often, then I will either get a used Fuji and some good glass while I save for a new X-T2, or just budget for a new X-T2 and a starter lens.
 
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It's true that the haptics and aesthetics of the Fuji X cameras makes you want to pic them up and use them. I also like Pentax's approach and always have - I use an adapter to attach my decades old Pentax primes to my Fuji digital bodies. Fuji has some nice manual focus assist features that make it easier to focus these lenses today than in the 1980s. Unfortunately, I have no experience of using the Pentax digital bodies, so cannot comment on colour rendering and their suitability for your low light purposes.

It's also true that Fuji provides a large range of options to adjust the rendering of the images you take. They're not too bewildering once you start to explore the options. If you shoot RAW, you can use presets and/or adjust the tone and colour curves in-camera after you shoot to obtain a JPEG that pleases you or which emulates a particular film type. But the default settings need no tweaking to achieve the low light colour renedering that I think you are looking for.

I don't have either of the the new 24MP bodies - they are physically too large for me. But the more compact 24MP X-T20 rumoured to be announced next week will be a useful upgrade for my X-T10 and more affordable.

Unless you want to print your images extremely large (greater than A2 size, for example) or regularly need to crop deep into your photos to achieve a particular composition as I seem to do, then the 16MP X-System bodies may be all you'll ever need. I don't see any improvement in image quality between the two sensor generations except for the increased resolution, which you may never need.

As I said, I do use other manufacturer's systems when I need to - fast autofocus in dynamically changing environments, such as a busy street for example, is where I might use Nikon 1 or an Olympus PEN - I just accept I will lose colour detail and introduce increased noise as the light fades. But if I were restricted to a single system then Fuji it would be.

Anyway, wishing you all the best in your choice of system.

David
 
these are good questions but they cry for subjective responses. I suspect that if you were to (or have done) post similar questions in other camera forums you would hear why folks love those cameras. This doesn't mean it's not a good question, just that you'll need to accept the responses differently.

I suspect that any camera system you buy into will work admirably for your needs. Lets face it, modern cameras and lenses are each incredibly capable. Each manufacturer also has individual strong points. Canon Nikon are the biggest, oldest with the most "parts" to their systems. Sony is up front with introducing new technological wonders into their cameras, Sigma delivers stunningly detailed images from small cumbersome boxes. Pentax has long offered the most "bang for the buck" and on it goes.

I use Fuji cameras for specific reasons. I had the opportunity to use a friends X-100 years ago and instantly fell in love with it. Fuji offers what I consider to be outstanding low light performance. Fuji's colors are special and their film simulations are industry leading as are their out-of-camera jpegs. Fuji lenses are some of the very best I've ever owned.

The real reason I own Fuji however is for the range finder style viewfinder. I need that viewfinder, along with lightning fast autofocus and fuji is the only company offering it. You mentioned RF cameras so I suggest you arrange to at least hold an X-Pro2 but actually shooting with it would be better.

Fuji cameras are just flat out more fun to shoot... How's that for a subjective response? ;-)
 
I appreciate the thoughtful responses, Thanks for all of it. Yes, this is entirely subjective but as people seem to be willing to talk about their experiences in terms other than why they hate something else, it gets easier to understand. In truth I don't have enough experience with settings (ISO, etc) to make a clear technical argument. I just trust that I have the eye and the ability. The camera to me is an instrument as I mentioned. Some of this is about learning what sort of music I like and then what will be easier for me to play, what I like essentially. Electric guitar or acoustic? If acoustic, some insist on a Martin, some on a Gibson guitar. I love my Gibson for it's tone. Very subjective.

One question I have is the view finder. My old Panasonic changed the way I looked at composition. It gave me a real time view on it's back panel of what I was looking at. I started to trust composition in what I was seeing and for the most part, that worked out to some great shots. But I lost a lot of shots too. Too many really. The auto-focus was what I was depending on to shoot like that - and it's auto-focus wasn’t that good.

I am not understanding when people talk about using the EVF or OVF if the are talking about something on the back panel like I just mentioned, or are they talking about what they are seeing after pressing their eye against the camera? Pentax still uses an actual prism so theirs may be the only one with an actual OVF in the little hole you put our eye against. Confused here, I admit it.
 
DKG wrote: It's also true that Fuji provides a large range of options to adjust the rendering of the images you take. They're not too bewildering once you start to explore the options. If you shoot RAW, you can use presets and/or adjust the tone and colour curves in-camera after you shoot to obtain a JPEG that pleases you or which emulates a particular film type. But the default settings need no tweaking to achieve the low light colour renedering that I think you are looking for.
Post processing is another question/concern I have before moving to Fuji. At this point I am starting from scratch. I still have Lightroom V1, LightZone went belly-up, Bibble went belly-up, Aperture went belly-up. Photo Mechanic updated and will require a new purchase and not an upgrade. To add to the confusion of choices, there are now plug-ins by Topaz, Perfectly clear and I am sure, others which may be all I will need. It looks like a really good plugin will get it right straight away and will still allow my adjustments when they don't. Of course, I thought that was what Lightroom is supposed to do already but, I guess plug-ins are doing it better or people wouldn’t be buying them so often.

I need to learn to trust a system and then go with it. I can get very bogged down with too many choices all at the same time. It kills my creative process. I am considering CaptureOne or Lightroom for stand-alones. Although I just discovered Photoline which I find also takes Topaz filters.

But you say that Fuji has a lot of post processing options? I was wondering how any of my purchasing thoughts just mentioned would apply to Fuji? I was under the impression that Fuji may be too different from the rest and not all software packages contained Fuji algorithms (for raw)?

With Fuji's different chip design, do all of the standard apps also work just as well with Fuji as they do with Pentax (or Nikon?). Does Fuji have it's own proprietary software for post that makes other choices not necessary? Can you please say more about this?

Thanks.

Post Script: I just discovered a thread which was very helpful. Leaning more strongly toward Capture One now - especially if I go Fuji, What is the Best Way to Post-Process Fuji X100s Colours?
 
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I appreciate the thoughtful responses, Thanks for all of it. Yes, this is entirely subjective but as people seem to be willing to talk about their experiences in terms other than why they hate something else, it gets easier to understand. In truth I don't have enough experience with settings (ISO, etc) to make a clear technical argument. I just trust that I have the eye and the ability. The camera to me is an instrument as I mentioned. Some of this is about learning what sort of music I like and then what will be easier for me to play, what I like essentially. Electric guitar or acoustic? If acoustic, some insist on a Martin, some on a Gibson guitar. I love my Gibson for it's tone. Very subjective.

One question I have is the view finder. My old Panasonic changed the way I looked at composition. It gave me a real time view on it's back panel of what I was looking at. I started to trust composition in what I was seeing and for the most part, that worked out to some great shots. But I lost a lot of shots too. Too many really. The auto-focus was what I was depending on to shoot like that - and it's auto-focus wasn’t that good.

I am not understanding when people talk about using the EVF or OVF if the are talking about something on the back panel like I just mentioned, or are they talking about what they are seeing after pressing their eye against the camera? Pentax still uses an actual prism so theirs may be the only one with an actual OVF in the little hole you put our eye against. Confused here, I admit it.
When both OVF and EVF are used as descriptions it usually means there is something different about their method of presenting you the scene. EVF is a video of what the sensor "sees." There's no value judgement here, just that the view you get has been processed by the camera first and presented to you as a video. This has some specific advantages. OVF means a view presented optically, without having been run through the camera's electronics first. There are also some specific advantages with this. It's often confusing to read about.

DSLRs by design give you an OVF, the mirrors direct the view to you rather than the sensor. They also work to varing degrees of success to emulate the mirrorless cameras "live view." Mirrorless cameras, with no mirror, must first process the scene before it can present it in a viewfinder (or back LCD screen). The back LCD screens are always processed by the camera.

Fuji offers 2 rangefinder style cameras, the X-Pro and the X-100. The viewfinder is unique in the market and offers the photographer additional viewfinder possibilities. They have both an OVF and an EVF. The OVF is of a different type than DSLR's OVF in that they show both what the sensor will "see" and also what's going on all around that area. After using this style of viewfinder I feel that I have blinders on if I use a more conventional viewfinder.

Some people, like me, appreciate this style immediately and others don't. The rangefinder style offers a different set of possibilities and different handicaps. There's no way to determine if or how this style would work for you, it's a personal taste thing. I would suggest though that you try it. These 2 cameras are often described by users as "fun."

Frankly, if there's not a unique factor about a camera I see little to no difference between the brands.
 
DKG wrote: It's also true that Fuji provides a large range of options to adjust the rendering of the images you take. They're not too bewildering once you start to explore the options. If you shoot RAW, you can use presets and/or adjust the tone and colour curves in-camera after you shoot to obtain a JPEG that pleases you or which emulates a particular film type. But the default settings need no tweaking to achieve the low light colour renedering that I think you are looking for.
Post processing is another question/concern I have before moving to Fuji. At this point I am starting from scratch. I still have Lightroom V1, LightZone went belly-up, Bibble went belly-up, Aperture went belly-up. Photo Mechanic updated and will require a new purchase and not an upgrade. To add to the confusion of choices, there are now plug-ins by Topaz, Perfectly clear and I am sure, others which may be all I will need. It looks like a really good plugin will get it right straight away and will still allow my adjustments when they don't. Of course, I thought that was what Lightroom is supposed to do already but, I guess plug-ins are doing it better or people wouldn’t be buying them so often.

I need to learn to trust a system and then go with it. I can get very bogged down with too many choices all at the same time. It kills my creative process. I am considering CaptureOne or Lightroom for stand-alones. Although I just discovered Photoline which I find also takes Topaz filters.

But you say that Fuji has a lot of post processing options? I was wondering how any of my purchasing thoughts just mentioned would apply to Fuji? I was under the impression that Fuji may be too different from the rest and not all software packages contained Fuji algorithms (for raw)?

With Fuji's different chip design, do all of the standard apps also work just as well with Fuji as they do with Pentax (or Nikon?). Does Fuji have it's own proprietary software for post that makes other choices not necessary? Can you please say more about this?

Thanks.

Post Script: I just discovered a thread which was very helpful. Leaning more strongly toward Capture One now - especially if I go Fuji, What is the Best Way to Post-Process Fuji X100s Colours?
Fuji's X-Trans sensor is more difficult to post process. Many programs process it rather well. There's a program named Iridient which does the hands down best job with Fuji RAW files.

Aperture, Lightroom, Capture One and a few others are actually designed as Asset Management programs (DAM's). Although often forgotten, their first job is to present the photographer with a comfortable way to organize their workflow and store their images so they may be easily available. Aperture was the first and in my opinion still by far the best at this. I am sick about it being MD'd but that's life.

Most discussions about LR and CO (both DAM's) seem to revolve around their image enhancement abilities. On One software has just introduced RAW processing to their suite of programs so they also enter this arena. Extensions or Plug In programs easily bring additional post processing into whichever DAM you chose. In this regard choosing between these programs is a bit like chasing a camera system. If one feels best to you then go with that one, the differences between them are practically negligible.

Fuji also has a number of exceptional film emulations that are very difficult for processing programs to copy. That's both good and bad, so to speak. What I do, and I'm not alone here, is shoot RAW + JPG. It turns out that the JPG's are OUTstanding, and for the majority of cases they're more than adequate for the job. For those shots where I didn't quite get it right, or where I want a little extra goodness, it's a very easy roundtrip from Aperture to Iridient and back. This processes the RAW the way I need and stores it back with Aperture. I understand that it also works that way in LR and CO.
 
I appreciate the thoughtful responses, Thanks for all of it. Yes, this is entirely subjective but as people seem to be willing to talk about their experiences in terms other than why they hate something else, it gets easier to understand. In truth I don't have enough experience with settings (ISO, etc) to make a clear technical argument. I just trust that I have the eye and the ability. The camera to me is an instrument as I mentioned. Some of this is about learning what sort of music I like and then what will be easier for me to play, what I like essentially. Electric guitar or acoustic? If acoustic, some insist on a Martin, some on a Gibson guitar. I love my Gibson for it's tone. Very subjective.

One question I have is the view finder. My old Panasonic changed the way I looked at composition. It gave me a real time view on it's back panel of what I was looking at. I started to trust composition in what I was seeing and for the most part, that worked out to some great shots. But I lost a lot of shots too. Too many really. The auto-focus was what I was depending on to shoot like that - and it's auto-focus wasn’t that good.

I am not understanding when people talk about using the EVF or OVF if the are talking about something on the back panel like I just mentioned, or are they talking about what they are seeing after pressing their eye against the camera? Pentax still uses an actual prism so theirs may be the only one with an actual OVF in the little hole you put our eye against. Confused here, I admit it.
When both OVF and EVF are used as descriptions it usually means there is something different about their method of presenting you the scene. EVF is a video of what the sensor "sees." There's no value judgement here, just that the view you get has been processed by the camera first and presented to you as a video. This has some specific advantages. OVF means a view presented optically, without having been run through the camera's electronics first. There are also some specific advantages with this. It's often confusing to read about.

DSLRs by design give you an OVF, the mirrors direct the view to you rather than the sensor. They also work to varing degrees of success to emulate the mirrorless cameras "live view." Mirrorless cameras, with no mirror, must first process the scene before it can present it in a viewfinder (or back LCD screen). The back LCD screens are always processed by the camera.

Fuji offers 2 rangefinder style cameras, the X-Pro and the X-100. The viewfinder is unique in the market and offers the photographer additional viewfinder possibilities. They have both an OVF and an EVF. The OVF is of a different type than DSLR's OVF in that they show both what the sensor will "see" and also what's going on all around that area. After using this style of viewfinder I feel that I have blinders on if I use a more conventional viewfinder.

Some people, like me, appreciate this style immediately and others don't. The rangefinder style offers a different set of possibilities and different handicaps. There's no way to determine if or how this style would work for you, it's a personal taste thing. I would suggest though that you try it. These 2 cameras are often described by users as "fun."

Frankly, if there's not a unique factor about a camera I see little to no difference between the brands.
 
I rented a XT2 for a week in November as I'm considering a gradual switch to the X series. I have a X100T and have owned a Panasonic GH2, own a GH3 and GH4. Love the XT2's image quality, it's delicious. I have no hesitation about its IQ.

A funny thing happened on the way to the forum... I was disappointed by the ergonomics, although many rave about the ergoonomics. The buttons are too fiddly in many cases and the AFon button ( for back button focus) is rather shallow. The front side grip is anemic as this tends to be Fujis design ethos for grips across many of their cameras- my X100t included. I purchased the grip with the arca plate on the bottom for that camera.

Some of these ergonomic issues are safely considered subjective, others I would argue are not so easily categorized as such. Some of these issues I might adjust to, or could modify settings. Some folks are using Sugru to address the shallow AFon button issue.

After sorting through my thoughts on the camera, I've come to some conclusions. What many are hailing as great ergonomics on the XT2 are really stylistic and aesthetic treatments. Indeed Fujis design ethos is "Retro", at the expense of better ergonomics in several aspects IMO. I don't deny the aesthetic appeal, but the ergonomic functionality is hampered, some of them can be remedied, others less so.

The XT2 is quite a few steps behind the ergonomics of the GH4... in my subjective experience. So much so, that I'm in a real quandary about adding/ integrating/ switching full time to X series gear. I thought it would be a slam dunk, not so much any more. The introduction of the GH5 is taking my indecision to a whole new level. If the IQ is substantially improved as well- I dunno....

I love the Fuji IQ, but the ergos, leave much to be desired compared to the GH4 and now GH5.

I'm not in a hurry to make up my mind, but there is nothing like actually getting your hand on a camera to really know if it will work for you. If you can, rent or borrow the cameras you are considering. It is tremendously helpful to the decision making process. It can bring up issues not considered, and turn previous conclusions on their head.
 
I appreciate the thoughtful responses, Thanks for all of it. Yes, this is entirely subjective but as people seem to be willing to talk about their experiences in terms other than why they hate something else, it gets easier to understand. In truth I don't have enough experience with settings (ISO, etc) to make a clear technical argument. I just trust that I have the eye and the ability. The camera to me is an instrument as I mentioned. Some of this is about learning what sort of music I like and then what will be easier for me to play, what I like essentially. Electric guitar or acoustic? If acoustic, some insist on a Martin, some on a Gibson guitar. I love my Gibson for it's tone. Very subjective.

One question I have is the view finder. My old Panasonic changed the way I looked at composition. It gave me a real time view on it's back panel of what I was looking at. I started to trust composition in what I was seeing and for the most part, that worked out to some great shots. But I lost a lot of shots too. Too many really. The auto-focus was what I was depending on to shoot like that - and it's auto-focus wasn’t that good.

I am not understanding when people talk about using the EVF or OVF if the are talking about something on the back panel like I just mentioned, or are they talking about what they are seeing after pressing their eye against the camera? Pentax still uses an actual prism so theirs may be the only one with an actual OVF in the little hole you put our eye against. Confused here, I admit it.
When both OVF and EVF are used as descriptions it usually means there is something different about their method of presenting you the scene. EVF is a video of what the sensor "sees." There's no value judgement here, just that the view you get has been processed by the camera first and presented to you as a video. This has some specific advantages. OVF means a view presented optically, without having been run through the camera's electronics first. There are also some specific advantages with this. It's often confusing to read about.

DSLRs by design give you an OVF, the mirrors direct the view to you rather than the sensor. They also work to varing degrees of success to emulate the mirrorless cameras "live view." Mirrorless cameras, with no mirror, must first process the scene before it can present it in a viewfinder (or back LCD screen). The back LCD screens are always processed by the camera.

Fuji offers 2 rangefinder style cameras, the X-Pro and the X-100. The viewfinder is unique in the market and offers the photographer additional viewfinder possibilities. They have both an OVF and an EVF. The OVF is of a different type than DSLR's OVF in that they show both what the sensor will "see" and also what's going on all around that area. After using this style of viewfinder I feel that I have blinders on if I use a more conventional viewfinder.

Some people, like me, appreciate this style immediately and others don't. The rangefinder style offers a different set of possibilities and different handicaps. There's no way to determine if or how this style would work for you, it's a personal taste thing. I would suggest though that you try it. These 2 cameras are often described by users as "fun."

Frankly, if there's not a unique factor about a camera I see little to no difference between the brands.
 
I think that OVF means Optical viewfinder whereas EVF means Electronic. Optical would be lenses only and E would mean its a movie of what the sensor sees.
 
i suffer from GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) and in the past few years have had cameras from most makers. I ended up with two systems, FF Nikon (D750) and Olympus M4/3, as I struggled between portability and IQ. It was a mess and came to a head when I was planning a trip to Chile from the UK and the D750 wasn't coming! I wasn't happy about just taking the m4/3, as the IQ was noticeably poorer than the Nikon.

I looked for a single system that offered the best IQ / portability balance and bought a Fuji XT-10 with the 18-55 f2.8-4 lens. I found it significantly better than the m4/3 in terms of IQ, and it pushed hard on the Nikon for IQ. It is also small and light. So I traded / sold my Nikon and bought a Fuji XT-2. The Oly had gone earlier.

I'm a "backup" nut so would always want two bodies. I took both cameras to Chile and was pleased with how they performed, including some low light situations.

Most modern cameras can perform well on low light, but you need to work on your technique (breathing, holding the camera steady, gently oressing the shutter). Oddly, I never felt I got the full benefit of the full frame sensor in low light, possibly because I found the camera/lens big and heavy.

One critical factor for me, especially in low light, is to shoot in RAW. Modern cameras generally produce good jpegs in good light (and Fuji is supposed to be the best), but in low light it is too easy to get blocky shadows and blown-out highlights around street lights etc. RAW files offer the opportunity to correct this and produce much more atttactive photographs.

Apologies if I have rambled, good fortune with your quest.
 
i suffer from GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) and in the past few years have had cameras from most makers. I ended up with two systems, FF Nikon (D750) and Olympus M4/3, as I struggled between portability and IQ. It was a mess and came to a head when I was planning a trip to Chile from the UK and the D750 wasn't coming! I wasn't happy about just taking the m4/3, as the IQ was noticeably poorer than the Nikon.

I looked for a single system that offered the best IQ / portability balance and bought a Fuji XT-10 with the 18-55 f2.8-4 lens. I found it significantly better than the m4/3 in terms of IQ, and it pushed hard on the Nikon for IQ. It is also small and light. So I traded / sold my Nikon and bought a Fuji XT-2. The Oly had gone earlier.

I'm a "backup" nut so would always want two bodies. I took both cameras to Chile and was pleased with how they performed, including some low light situations.

Most modern cameras can perform well on low light, but you need to work on your technique (breathing, holding the camera steady, gently oressing the shutter). Oddly, I never felt I got the full benefit of the full frame sensor in low light, possibly because I found the camera/lens big and heavy.

One critical factor for me, especially in low light, is to shoot in RAW. Modern cameras generally produce good jpegs in good light (and Fuji is supposed to be the best), but in low light it is too easy to get blocky shadows and blown-out highlights around street lights etc. RAW files offer the opportunity to correct this and produce much more atttactive photographs.

Apologies if I have rambled, good fortune with your quest.
 
Looking back over some photos taken at gigs the Fuji images seem quite good, they certainly hold up against similar Olympus images, one reason being I'm much more prepared to push the ISO by an extra couple of stops. I've used zooms with image stabilisers, so I don't have experience with primes. Bear in mind IBIS can't help with movement, so it is easy to get (for example) guitarists with blurry hands.
 
Looking back over some photos taken at gigs the Fuji images seem quite good, they certainly hold up against similar Olympus images, one reason being I'm much more prepared to push the ISO by an extra couple of stops. I've used zooms with image stabilisers, so I don't have experience with primes. Bear in mind IBIS can't help with movement, so it is easy to get (for example) guitarists with blurry hands.
 
Looking back over some photos taken at gigs the Fuji images seem quite good, they certainly hold up against similar Olympus images, one reason being I'm much more prepared to push the ISO by an extra couple of stops. I've used zooms with image stabilisers, so I don't have experience with primes. Bear in mind IBIS can't help with movement, so it is easy to get (for example) guitarists with blurry hands.
 
Fuji lenses are generally more expensive than m4/3, but look for periodic Fuji deals like cashback and double cashback.
 
Fuji lenses are generally more expensive than m4/3, but look for periodic Fuji deals like cashback and double cashback.

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Best regards
Vince C
Curious as to where I would find these deals? Where I should be looking? A friend told me KEH as a good place to shop for used gear, might start that way. Will definitely want to hear about new equipment and cash back deals.
 

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