"Proper" Exposure in Photography

I'm not sure how that comment relates to what went before, but if even exposure between channels is your concern, use a magenta filter.
Isn't maxing out each channel, the epitome of "exposure management"?
That depends on your goals when you manage exposure.
As I said above, the under exposure can be cured by more exposure or more development.
That's where you are wrong. A too small exposure can never be corrected by more development. -bold added.
This happens a lot - do you think I would think that a shot taken with lens cover on (range finders) can be corrected by more development? ;-)

Howe about, can we say "somewhat compensated"?
So long as you have at the back of your mind the idea that exposure management is all about brightness you'll make the same mistake.
If you mean, I need to pay attention to DOF and motion blur and noisiness, not to worry, the "exposure triangle" covers that. I honestly do not see your point of set f/stop and shutter speed and use auto ISO being that different.
The difference is that the way I put it builds on the actuality rather than a mythology and also that the method I put forward always leads to the maximum exposure consistent with your pictorial constraints, whereas the 'ISO first' method usually doesn't.
But if possible, more exposure is a better strategy, imho.
I think the 'h' is misplaced. You will boldly promote your 'o' even though it is wrong and you are told so. Not a trace of 'h' there.
My presentation is "h"; my "o" can be as obstinate as anyone else. But what is it that you think I have wrong? However, I have corrected my opinions many times again with thanks to you - if I am not changing, then it's because I am not convinced, yet.

If increasing the exposure until the image looks reasonably bright without clipping is a bad idea, then I am lost.
Whatever you do, you can't get rid of the idea that exposure management is about image brightness. Anyway, if you increase the exposure and as a consequence gain camera shake, it wasn't a good idea.
I had hoped that we are beyond camera shake.
That depends on the photographer, Shirley.
"Exposure management" may be as simple as sunny 16 to 3 channel histogram analysis. In all cases, if given more exposure, the resulting image would look brighter. It may also clip the high light; more motion blur, shallower DOF and less noise.

If you think I am saying that more exposure increase "only the brightness", I'll stipulate that it's my fault of being less than clear

It's interesting that I am told that I am reinventing the meaning of under/over exposure; if I am using those terms as I have learned and if you all think it's wrong, it seems the DPR forum folks are reinventing the terms.
Who has told you that you are 'reinventing' the terms? The terms exist. You are using them in the context of someone for whom exposure management is primarily about the output brightness of the image. Some people are telling you that other paradigms exist and are superior. More specifically, if you say 'under' or 'over' exposed there is implicitly an assumption about what is 'correct' exposure which in turn depends on an assumption as to what were your goals in managing exposure. If you want to insist on one definition of 'under' or 'over' exposure, then it behoves you to explain which assumptions you are making.
 
I'm not sure how that comment relates to what went before, but if even exposure between channels is your concern, use a magenta filter.
Isn't maxing out each channel, the epitome of "exposure management"?
That depends on your goals when you manage exposure.
As I said above, the under exposure can be cured by more exposure or more development.
That's where you are wrong. A too small exposure can never be corrected by more development. -bold added.
This happens a lot - do you think I would think that a shot taken with lens cover on (range finders) can be corrected by more development? ;-)

Howe about, can we say "somewhat compensated"?
So long as you have at the back of your mind the idea that exposure management is all about brightness you'll make the same mistake.
If you mean, I need to pay attention to DOF and motion blur and noisiness, not to worry, the "exposure triangle" covers that. I honestly do not see your point of set f/stop and shutter speed and use auto ISO being that different.
The difference is that the way I put it builds on the actuality rather than a mythology and also that the method I put forward always leads to the maximum exposure consistent with your pictorial constraints, whereas the 'ISO first' method usually doesn't.
ISO first is carry over from film days when one had to decide what speed film to load. However, even if one uses auto ISO but say limits to up to ISO800, then it's ISO first, thinking.

I hope we get away from ISO or f/stop or SS first as in reality, the three aspects are considered simultaneously and back and forth for each of the effects.
But if possible, more exposure is a better strategy, imho.
I think the 'h' is misplaced. You will boldly promote your 'o' even though it is wrong and you are told so. Not a trace of 'h' there.
My presentation is "h"; my "o" can be as obstinate as anyone else. But what is it that you think I have wrong? However, I have corrected my opinions many times again with thanks to you - if I am not changing, then it's because I am not convinced, yet.

If increasing the exposure until the image looks reasonably bright without clipping is a bad idea, then I am lost.
Whatever you do, you can't get rid of the idea that exposure management is about image brightness. Anyway, if you increase the exposure and as a consequence gain camera shake, it wasn't a good idea.
I had hoped that we are beyond camera shake.
That depends on the photographer, Shirley.
Shirley, when does it not depend on the photographer?
"Exposure management" may be as simple as sunny 16 to 3 channel histogram analysis. In all cases, if given more exposure, the resulting image would look brighter. It may also clip the high light; more motion blur, shallower DOF and less noise.

If you think I am saying that more exposure increase "only the brightness", I'll stipulate that it's my fault of being less than clear

It's interesting that I am told that I am reinventing the meaning of under/over exposure; if I am using those terms as I have learned and if you all think it's wrong, it seems the DPR forum folks are reinventing the terms.
Who has told you that you are 'reinventing' the terms? The terms exist. You are using them in the context of someone for whom exposure management is primarily about the output brightness of the image. Some people are telling you that other paradigms exist and are superior. More specifically, if you say 'under' or 'over' exposed there is implicitly an assumption about what is 'correct' exposure which in turn depends on an assumption as to what were your goals in managing exposure. If you want to insist on one definition of 'under' or 'over' exposure, then it behoves you to explain which assumptions you are making.
I do not insist on one definition of under/over - I though OP provided a good segueay to talk about what each of these should mean to mostly beginning photographers.

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Tinkety tonk old fruit, & down with the Nazis!
Bob
 
The camera doesn't meter for raw, doesn't show the right histogram or blinkies. Everything is set up for JPEG. You can estimate the extra margin raw gives you, but you can never get it "perfect." But you can get it good enough w/a little experience.
 
I'm not sure how that comment relates to what went before, but if even exposure between channels is your concern, use a magenta filter.
Isn't maxing out each channel, the epitome of "exposure management"?
That depends on your goals when you manage exposure.
As I said above, the under exposure can be cured by more exposure or more development.
That's where you are wrong. A too small exposure can never be corrected by more development. -bold added.
This happens a lot - do you think I would think that a shot taken with lens cover on (range finders) can be corrected by more development? ;-)

Howe about, can we say "somewhat compensated"?
So long as you have at the back of your mind the idea that exposure management is all about brightness you'll make the same mistake.
If you mean, I need to pay attention to DOF and motion blur and noisiness, not to worry, the "exposure triangle" covers that. I honestly do not see your point of set f/stop and shutter speed and use auto ISO being that different.
The difference is that the way I put it builds on the actuality rather than a mythology and also that the method I put forward always leads to the maximum exposure consistent with your pictorial constraints, whereas the 'ISO first' method usually doesn't.
ISO first is carry over from film days when one had to decide what speed film to load. However, even if one uses auto ISO but say limits to up to ISO800, then it's ISO first, thinking.
Not so much 'ISO first' thinking, but confusion over what ISO does. Quite a lot of people think that it somehow generates the equivalent of more light. That's why I argue against calling it 'gain', that's where the idea comes from, that light is 'gained'.
I hope we get away from ISO or f/stop or SS first as in reality, the three aspects are considered simultaneously and back and forth for each of the effects.
Exposure first, that's light, f-number and shutter speed. ISO is something else and doesn't affect exposure.
But if possible, more exposure is a better strategy, imho.
I think the 'h' is misplaced. You will boldly promote your 'o' even though it is wrong and you are told so. Not a trace of 'h' there.
My presentation is "h"; my "o" can be as obstinate as anyone else. But what is it that you think I have wrong? However, I have corrected my opinions many times again with thanks to you - if I am not changing, then it's because I am not convinced, yet.

If increasing the exposure until the image looks reasonably bright without clipping is a bad idea, then I am lost.
Whatever you do, you can't get rid of the idea that exposure management is about image brightness. Anyway, if you increase the exposure and as a consequence gain camera shake, it wasn't a good idea.
I had hoped that we are beyond camera shake.
That depends on the photographer, Shirley.
Shirley, when does it not depend on the photographer?
"Exposure management" may be as simple as sunny 16 to 3 channel histogram analysis. In all cases, if given more exposure, the resulting image would look brighter. It may also clip the high light; more motion blur, shallower DOF and less noise.

If you think I am saying that more exposure increase "only the brightness", I'll stipulate that it's my fault of being less than clear

It's interesting that I am told that I am reinventing the meaning of under/over exposure; if I am using those terms as I have learned and if you all think it's wrong, it seems the DPR forum folks are reinventing the terms.
Who has told you that you are 'reinventing' the terms? The terms exist. You are using them in the context of someone for whom exposure management is primarily about the output brightness of the image. Some people are telling you that other paradigms exist and are superior. More specifically, if you say 'under' or 'over' exposed there is implicitly an assumption about what is 'correct' exposure which in turn depends on an assumption as to what were your goals in managing exposure. If you want to insist on one definition of 'under' or 'over' exposure, then it behoves you to explain which assumptions you are making.
I do not insist on one definition of under/over -
They are not terribly overloaded words, semantically. But they are inevitably comparatives, so the question implicit always is 'over' or 'under' compared to what?
I though OP provided a good segueay to talk about what each of these should mean to mostly beginning photographers.
Sort out the 'what' first.

If a photographer is truly 'beginning' then it means nothing, so you can start from scratch. The problem is not-quite-beginning photographers who have latched onto all the misinformation that is around. That pollutes their thinking processes.
 
But if someone got a too dark image, telling them to increase the exposure is not wrong ; and if so, semantically, the exposure was less than what he/she should have used and thus was "under exposed".
I don't think proper exposure has anything to do with too dark or too bright.

Ever hear a pro audio engineering say a recording is too loud or too soft? The terminology is all wrong. The proper recording level for a pin dropping or an atomic bomb is the same. Avoid clipping, maximum fidelity.

Ditto for photography. The correct exposure is the one the maximizes the fidelity of the information you are interested in. That in, expose for midrange, shadows or highlights as required.

Too dark or too light are printing terms.
 
I'm not sure how that comment relates to what went before, but if even exposure between channels is your concern, use a magenta filter.
Isn't maxing out each channel, the epitome of "exposure management"?
That depends on your goals when you manage exposure.
As I said above, the under exposure can be cured by more exposure or more development.
That's where you are wrong. A too small exposure can never be corrected by more development. -bold added.
This happens a lot - do you think I would think that a shot taken with lens cover on (range finders) can be corrected by more development? ;-)

Howe about, can we say "somewhat compensated"?
So long as you have at the back of your mind the idea that exposure management is all about brightness you'll make the same mistake.
If you mean, I need to pay attention to DOF and motion blur and noisiness, not to worry, the "exposure triangle" covers that. I honestly do not see your point of set f/stop and shutter speed and use auto ISO being that different.
The difference is that the way I put it builds on the actuality rather than a mythology and also that the method I put forward always leads to the maximum exposure consistent with your pictorial constraints, whereas the 'ISO first' method usually doesn't.
ISO first is carry over from film days when one had to decide what speed film to load. However, even if one uses auto ISO but say limits to up to ISO800, then it's ISO first, thinking.
Not so much 'ISO first' thinking, but confusion over what ISO does. Quite a lot of people think that it somehow generates the equivalent of more light. That's why I argue against calling it 'gain', that's where the idea comes from, that light is 'gained'.
I hope we get away from ISO or f/stop or SS first as in reality, the three aspects are considered simultaneously and back and forth for each of the effects.
Exposure first, that's light, f-number and shutter speed. ISO is something else and doesn't affect exposure.
But if possible, more exposure is a better strategy, imho.
I think the 'h' is misplaced. You will boldly promote your 'o' even though it is wrong and you are told so. Not a trace of 'h' there.
My presentation is "h"; my "o" can be as obstinate as anyone else. But what is it that you think I have wrong? However, I have corrected my opinions many times again with thanks to you - if I am not changing, then it's because I am not convinced, yet.

If increasing the exposure until the image looks reasonably bright without clipping is a bad idea, then I am lost.
Whatever you do, you can't get rid of the idea that exposure management is about image brightness. Anyway, if you increase the exposure and as a consequence gain camera shake, it wasn't a good idea.
I had hoped that we are beyond camera shake.
That depends on the photographer, Shirley.
Shirley, when does it not depend on the photographer?
"Exposure management" may be as simple as sunny 16 to 3 channel histogram analysis. In all cases, if given more exposure, the resulting image would look brighter. It may also clip the high light; more motion blur, shallower DOF and less noise.

If you think I am saying that more exposure increase "only the brightness", I'll stipulate that it's my fault of being less than clear

It's interesting that I am told that I am reinventing the meaning of under/over exposure; if I am using those terms as I have learned and if you all think it's wrong, it seems the DPR forum folks are reinventing the terms.
Who has told you that you are 'reinventing' the terms? The terms exist. You are using them in the context of someone for whom exposure management is primarily about the output brightness of the image. Some people are telling you that other paradigms exist and are superior. More specifically, if you say 'under' or 'over' exposed there is implicitly an assumption about what is 'correct' exposure which in turn depends on an assumption as to what were your goals in managing exposure. If you want to insist on one definition of 'under' or 'over' exposure, then it behoves you to explain which assumptions you are making.
I do not insist on one definition of under/over -
They are not terribly overloaded words, semantically. But they are inevitably comparatives, so the question implicit always is 'over' or 'under' compared to what?
I'd suspect, what the image creator (who KNOWS how to expose) actually got. Which shouldn’t happen very often or at all with that assumption in parenthesize.
I though OP provided a good segueay to talk about what each of these should mean to mostly beginning photographers.
Sort out the 'what' first.

If a photographer is truly 'beginning' then it means nothing, so you can start from scratch.
Ideally yes! I don't know why there's so much pushback on that concept around here.
The problem is not-quite-beginning photographers who have latched onto all the misinformation that is around. That pollutes their thinking processes.
Indeed. It gets some people here quite busy.
 
The camera doesn't meter for raw, doesn't show the right histogram or blinkies. Everything is set up for JPEG. You can estimate the extra margin raw gives you, but you can never get it "perfect." But you can get it good enough w/a little experience.
You can strive for "closer to perfect" but rarely achieve it. Indeed the nominal camera jpg histogram indeed useful is a guide for the jpg shooter but seldom sufficiently useful even with experience as a guide for the raw shooter. I have a tendency to use UNIWB in an number of different situations which at least gives a very good indication of the raw "margin" and raw exposure

Interesting that my Nikon D750 histogram implementation is very useful with UNIWB since it does indeed give a per-colour-channel blinkies. My main Canon system is not as flexible in this situation.

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http://www.tphoto.ca
 
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The difference is that the way I put it builds on the actuality rather than a mythology and also that the method I put forward always leads to the maximum exposure consistent with your pictorial constraints, whereas the 'ISO first' method usually doesn't.
ISO first is carry over from film days when one had to decide what speed film to load. However, even if one uses auto ISO but say limits to up to ISO800, then it's ISO first, thinking.
Possibly you should explore how auto-ISO works and when/how/why it influences exposure. With your terms, this puts ISO as the last item for thinking and is an output image brightness concept only.
I hope we get away from ISO or f/stop or SS first as in reality, the three aspects are considered simultaneously and back and forth for each of the effects.
My gosh. You are now proposing the complete use of The Exposure Triangle.

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Who has told you that you are 'reinventing' the terms? The terms exist. You are using them in the context of someone for whom exposure management is primarily about the output brightness of the image. Some people are telling you that other paradigms exist and are superior. More specifically, if you say 'under' or 'over' exposed there is implicitly an assumption about what is 'correct' exposure which in turn depends on an assumption as to what were your goals in managing exposure. If you want to insist on one definition of 'under' or 'over' exposure, then it behoves you to explain which assumptions you are making.
Indeed on the mark!!!!!
I do not insist on one definition of under/over -
You seem to do this .... you discussion in this thread is one of "output image brightness" which appears to be a JPG oriented view (and quite reasonable) with little concern for a raw shooter.

Possibly your thought experiments should be augmented with some image analysis of your own images using very excellent RawDigger (does not break the bank by any means) or very useful RawTherapee (a free programme) which, aside from raw conversion and some decent processing, does offer a raw histogram display. This might give you a better understanding of what exposure and ISO is all about and how this should be applied for real photography.

If you would actually do some real exploration rather than just tangential philosophical bantering, you might begin to understand what Bob and Andrew are attempting to pass along to you and "beginners". A bit of tangible understanding might fill some the gaps in your dissertations.
I though OP provided a good segueay to talk about what each of these should mean to mostly beginning photographers.
The OP seems to understand the effect of "proper exposure" and how to attempt to achieve it for stills. No doubt he will explore this in greater depth both for video and still photography with his very flexible camera.

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Charles Darwin: "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
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http://www.tphoto.ca
 
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I'm not sure how that comment relates to what went before, but if even exposure between channels is your concern, use a magenta filter.
Isn't maxing out each channel, the epitome of "exposure management"?
That depends on your goals when you manage exposure.
As I said above, the under exposure can be cured by more exposure or more development.
That's where you are wrong. A too small exposure can never be corrected by more development. -bold added.
This happens a lot - do you think I would think that a shot taken with lens cover on (range finders) can be corrected by more development? ;-)

Howe about, can we say "somewhat compensated"?
So long as you have at the back of your mind the idea that exposure management is all about brightness you'll make the same mistake.
If you mean, I need to pay attention to DOF and motion blur and noisiness, not to worry, the "exposure triangle" covers that. I honestly do not see your point of set f/stop and shutter speed and use auto ISO being that different.
The difference is that the way I put it builds on the actuality rather than a mythology and also that the method I put forward always leads to the maximum exposure consistent with your pictorial constraints, whereas the 'ISO first' method usually doesn't.
ISO first is carry over from film days when one had to decide what speed film to load. However, even if one uses auto ISO but say limits to up to ISO800, then it's ISO first, thinking.
Not so much 'ISO first' thinking, but confusion over what ISO does. Quite a lot of people think that it somehow generates the equivalent of more light. That's why I argue against calling it 'gain', that's where the idea comes from, that light is 'gained'.
ISO first thinking here I meant that ISO selection is the priority. If someone sets the maximum auto ISO to 800, for example, one is making decision that ISO is the more important parameter.

At least for me, you don't need to think that I think increase in ISO increase exposure; I would correct someone else if I heard that.
I hope we get away from ISO or f/stop or SS first as in reality, the three aspects are considered simultaneously and back and forth for each of the effects.
Exposure first, that's light, f-number and shutter speed. ISO is something else and doesn't affect exposure.
Indeed, it does not.
But if possible, more exposure is a better strategy, imho.
I think the 'h' is misplaced. You will boldly promote your 'o' even though it is wrong and you are told so. Not a trace of 'h' there.
My presentation is "h"; my "o" can be as obstinate as anyone else. But what is it that you think I have wrong? However, I have corrected my opinions many times again with thanks to you - if I am not changing, then it's because I am not convinced, yet.

If increasing the exposure until the image looks reasonably bright without clipping is a bad idea, then I am lost.
Whatever you do, you can't get rid of the idea that exposure management is about image brightness. Anyway, if you increase the exposure and as a consequence gain camera shake, it wasn't a good idea.
I had hoped that we are beyond camera shake.
That depends on the photographer, Shirley.
Shirley, when does it not depend on the photographer?
"Exposure management" may be as simple as sunny 16 to 3 channel histogram analysis. In all cases, if given more exposure, the resulting image would look brighter. It may also clip the high light; more motion blur, shallower DOF and less noise.

If you think I am saying that more exposure increase "only the brightness", I'll stipulate that it's my fault of being less than clear

It's interesting that I am told that I am reinventing the meaning of under/over exposure; if I am using those terms as I have learned and if you all think it's wrong, it seems the DPR forum folks are reinventing the terms.
Who has told you that you are 'reinventing' the terms? The terms exist. You are using them in the context of someone for whom exposure management is primarily about the output brightness of the image. Some people are telling you that other paradigms exist and are superior. More specifically, if you say 'under' or 'over' exposed there is implicitly an assumption about what is 'correct' exposure which in turn depends on an assumption as to what were your goals in managing exposure. If you want to insist on one definition of 'under' or 'over' exposure, then it behoves you to explain which assumptions you are making.
I do not insist on one definition of under/over -
They are not terribly overloaded words, semantically. But they are inevitably comparatives, so the question implicit always is 'over' or 'under' compared to what?
Compared to what the photographer wanted/expected to what the camera metered and/or EV choice that the photographer made.
I though OP provided a good segueay to talk about what each of these should mean to mostly beginning photographers.
Sort out the 'what' first.

If a photographer is truly 'beginning' then it means nothing, so you can start from scratch. The problem is not-quite-beginning photographers who have latched onto all the misinformation that is around. That pollutes their thinking processes.
If some one thinks increasing ISO increase exposure is misinformation; increasing exposure increase the brightness of the image is not a misinformation - if you are saying density of silver halides or the fill factor of photodiode is not "brightness" - I think you are taking an extremely literal position.

It's like criticizing that pressing gas pedal makes a car go faster is a misinformation because pressing gas pedal only adds more petrol to the cylinder.
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I'm not sure how that comment relates to what went before, but if even exposure between channels is your concern, use a magenta filter.
Isn't maxing out each channel, the epitome of "exposure management"?
That depends on your goals when you manage exposure.
As I said above, the under exposure can be cured by more exposure or more development.
That's where you are wrong. A too small exposure can never be corrected by more development. -bold added.
This happens a lot - do you think I would think that a shot taken with lens cover on (range finders) can be corrected by more development? ;-)

Howe about, can we say "somewhat compensated"?
So long as you have at the back of your mind the idea that exposure management is all about brightness you'll make the same mistake.
If you mean, I need to pay attention to DOF and motion blur and noisiness, not to worry, the "exposure triangle" covers that. I honestly do not see your point of set f/stop and shutter speed and use auto ISO being that different.
The difference is that the way I put it builds on the actuality rather than a mythology and also that the method I put forward always leads to the maximum exposure consistent with your pictorial constraints, whereas the 'ISO first' method usually doesn't.
ISO first is carry over from film days when one had to decide what speed film to load. However, even if one uses auto ISO but say limits to up to ISO800, then it's ISO first, thinking.
Not so much 'ISO first' thinking, but confusion over what ISO does. Quite a lot of people think that it somehow generates the equivalent of more light. That's why I argue against calling it 'gain', that's where the idea comes from, that light is 'gained'.
ISO first thinking here I meant that ISO selection is the priority. If someone sets the maximum auto ISO to 800, for example, one is making decision that ISO is the more important parameter.
I'm not sure many are making a cogent decision, they do it that way because they were told to. The truth of it is that when you set the ISO all you're doing is making a guess at what is the best exposure for the scene.
At least for me, you don't need to think that I think increase in ISO increase exposure; I would correct someone else if I heard that.
Sure, I know you have that one checked off.
I hope we get away from ISO or f/stop or SS first as in reality, the three aspects are considered simultaneously and back and forth for each of the effects.
Exposure first, that's light, f-number and shutter speed. ISO is something else and doesn't affect exposure.
Indeed, it does not.
So, that's the one (or two) to think of first when managing 'exposure'. ISO is something you set when you have made a coherent decision as to what exposure to use and made the necessary light measurements to set it.
They are not terribly overloaded words, semantically. But they are inevitably comparatives, so the question implicit always is 'over' or 'under' compared to what?
Compared to what the photographer wanted/expected to what the camera metered and/or EV choice that the photographer made.
All getting a bit fuzzy, isn't it? It's that fuzziness that gets people mystified.
I though OP provided a good segueay to talk about what each of these should mean to mostly beginning photographers.
Sort out the 'what' first.

If a photographer is truly 'beginning' then it means nothing, so you can start from scratch. The problem is not-quite-beginning photographers who have latched onto all the misinformation that is around. That pollutes their thinking processes.
If some one thinks increasing ISO increase exposure is misinformation;
It is misinformation.
increasing exposure increase the brightness of the image is not a misinformation - if you are saying density of silver halides or the fill factor of photodiode is not "brightness" - I think you are taking an extremely literal position.
It is also misinformation. Exposure determines the latent image, it has no effect on 'density'. That is development. As for the fill factor of photodiodes, that has nothing whatever to do with anything in this discussion.
It's like criticizing that pressing gas pedal makes a car go faster is a misinformation because pressing gas pedal only adds more petrol to the cylinder.
It's a pedagogical question rather than a pedantic one. If it was the case that many people had poor mental models of how their cars worked and this was adversely affecting their driving, you'd want to see what was the cause. Bad mental models almost invariably come from misunderstandings of poor terminology. (There was a rathe nice thread here linking a Physics blog explaining how Stephen Hawking had adopted an unworkable theory for the eponymous radiation due to the terminology he had adopted leading to a mental model which led him awry). If there doesn't seem to be any ill-effects, then not worth bothering about.
 
I'm not sure how that comment relates to what went before, but if even exposure between channels is your concern, use a magenta filter.
Isn't maxing out each channel, the epitome of "exposure management"?
That depends on your goals when you manage exposure.
As I said above, the under exposure can be cured by more exposure or more development.
That's where you are wrong. A too small exposure can never be corrected by more development. -bold added.
This happens a lot - do you think I would think that a shot taken with lens cover on (range finders) can be corrected by more development? ;-)

Howe about, can we say "somewhat compensated"?
So long as you have at the back of your mind the idea that exposure management is all about brightness you'll make the same mistake.
If you mean, I need to pay attention to DOF and motion blur and noisiness, not to worry, the "exposure triangle" covers that. I honestly do not see your point of set f/stop and shutter speed and use auto ISO being that different.
The difference is that the way I put it builds on the actuality rather than a mythology and also that the method I put forward always leads to the maximum exposure consistent with your pictorial constraints, whereas the 'ISO first' method usually doesn't.
ISO first is carry over from film days when one had to decide what speed film to load. However, even if one uses auto ISO but say limits to up to ISO800, then it's ISO first, thinking.
Not so much 'ISO first' thinking, but confusion over what ISO does. Quite a lot of people think that it somehow generates the equivalent of more light. That's why I argue against calling it 'gain', that's where the idea comes from, that light is 'gained'.
ISO first thinking here I meant that ISO selection is the priority. If someone sets the maximum auto ISO to 800, for example, one is making decision that ISO is the more important parameter.
I'm not sure many are making a cogent decision, they do it that way because they were told to. The truth of it is that when you set the ISO all you're doing is making a guess at what is the best exposure for the scene.
At least for me, you don't need to think that I think increase in ISO increase exposure; I would correct someone else if I heard that.
Sure, I know you have that one checked off.
I hope we get away from ISO or f/stop or SS first as in reality, the three aspects are considered simultaneously and back and forth for each of the effects.
Exposure first, that's light, f-number and shutter speed. ISO is something else and doesn't affect exposure.
Indeed, it does not.
So, that's the one (or two) to think of first when managing 'exposure'. ISO is something you set when you have made a coherent decision as to what exposure to use and made the necessary light measurements to set it.
They are not terribly overloaded words, semantically. But they are inevitably comparatives, so the question implicit always is 'over' or 'under' compared to what?
Compared to what the photographer wanted/expected to what the camera metered and/or EV choice that the photographer made.
All getting a bit fuzzy, isn't it? It's that fuzziness that gets people mystified.
I though OP provided a good segueay to talk about what each of these should mean to mostly beginning photographers.
Sort out the 'what' first.

If a photographer is truly 'beginning' then it means nothing, so you can start from scratch. The problem is not-quite-beginning photographers who have latched onto all the misinformation that is around. That pollutes their thinking processes.
If some one thinks increasing ISO increase exposure is misinformation;
It is misinformation.
increasing exposure increase the brightness of the image is not a misinformation - if you are saying density of silver halides or the fill factor of photodiode is not "brightness" - I think you are taking an extremely literal position.
It is also misinformation. Exposure determines the latent image, it has no effect on 'density'.
Yes, this is the point: I view that more exposure determines the latent image that would develop more dense compared to the latent image that was exposed with less exposure. You are saying regardless of the exposure, the latent image is the same. Are you?
That is development.
The same development would affect the latent images of different exposure differently, would it not?
As for the fill factor of photodiodes, that has nothing whatever to do with anything in this discussion.
I used the wrong word; see how easy for me to admit when I goof up? I meant to convey that a photodiode exposed more would have more photoelectrons generated. Its well filled more. But that is not the "fill factor", it seems.
It's like criticizing that pressing gas pedal makes a car go faster is a misinformation because pressing gas pedal only adds more petrol to the cylinder.
It's a pedagogical question rather than a pedantic one. If it was the case that many people had poor mental models of how their cars worked and this was adversely affecting their driving, you'd want to see what was the cause.
Sorry to ask this question so late in the conversation: what/how does thinking more exposure would result in a brighter image, adversely affect the photography? What ill effect do you encounter? Is this about more exposure would also reduce the noise or that it would affect dof or motion blur to get more exposure? It's covered in the "exposure triangle" section. :-D
Bad mental models almost invariably come from misunderstandings of poor terminology. (There was a rathe nice thread here linking a Physics blog explaining how Stephen Hawking had adopted an unworkable theory for the eponymous radiation due to the terminology he had adopted leading to a mental model which led him awry). If there doesn't seem to be any ill-effects, then not worth bothering about.

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