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Electronic shutter - what do you use it for?

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Vic Chapman said:
I have the E shutter on my XT1 but never made use of it. I know (at least some of) what it can be used for but I never see mention of it being used. What do you guys use it for and why. I'd love to see examples with a short explanation.

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Churches, temples, shrines, concerts, recitals

Basically anywhere that is quiet with other people around or if you are expected to be quiet, I leave mine on mechanical most of the time because I like the sound but those are the scenarios I would switch to ES. So far I haven't needed to use ES in daylight with my 23 f/1.4, 1/8000 MS is enough.

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For everything. If i see a rolling shutter effect then i switch to the mechanical...but thats may be around 1-2% of my shots

Juergen
 
Clickshot said:
Thank you for creating this topic Vic!

If the fujifilm X-T2 can be used at 14FPS for object speed such as capturing sequence shots of surfing maneuvers , motorcycle jumps and loops, with no distortion then Im buying one this week !

Mike
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Then, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed (though I thought I read in an earlier post that your original criteria was a minimum of 11 FPS, which you do get with the mechanical shutter and the grip). The ES is not really usable for motion photography because a different method is used for reading out the sensor. It's done more slowly, which means that motion can cause odd artifacts resulting from position differences between the start and the finish of the sensor readout -- it's known as "rolling shutter."

To summarize, if you're relying on shutter speeds faster than 11 FPS for motion photography, the X-T2 is not for you. If 11 FPS is sufficient and you're willing to spring for the battery grip (a very useful and excellent addition -- mine never comes off the camera), then I think you'll be delighted with your results. I would recommend renting one for a few days to make sure that you're comfortable with how the motion tracking works for you and how well it will keep up with your subjects using the EVF. My own experience has been quite positive in that respect (shooting BIF), but I'd want to check that out before investing heavily in the system if I were in your position.
 
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Vic Chapman said:
Yes, I can understand coasts and sandy areas with plenty of reflection bumping up the exposure. Do you remember what speeds you were getting and did you take any pictures where the subject (or an object in frame) was moving? If so, can you show.
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jst13 said:
For everything. If i see a rolling shutter effect then i switch to the mechanical...but thats may be around 1-2% of my shots

Juergen
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Yes Jerry sorry for the confusion I did mention 14 FPS but did not intend for it to come across as exclusively and nothing less.

Im just looking for a fast FPS in a lightweight, small body which my searches ended up at the X-T2 as a great all around camera.

Im not partial to e-shutter or manual shutter just want that FPS in a camera in my budget, which the X-T2 combined with the grip are in my budget.

I think id be fine at 1 to 3 FPS for BIF unless I wanted to create a sequence of a bird doing a really cool tight turn or fighting with another bird etc. but I have no experience there as you do, nor do I plan on any bird shooting.

Im still curious to know what the needs of high FPS is for those who are not shooting fast moving objects?Im not saying the need doesn’t exist I’m just curious what some of them are.

I always thought high FPS is more intended for fast moving objects and for either creating sequence shots or picking apart a race crashes or evaluating foot corrections on skateboard maneuvers etc etc etc Im sure you know the list is endless and goes on and on.

I clearly know why I want the fast FPS as well as a lack of the “rolling shutter’

Thanks for the terminology there on rolling shutter vs my use of “distortion”

And thank you for all of your detailed efforts here I really appreciate your time and thoughts !

Regards,

Mike
 
Vic Chapman said:
I have the E shutter on my XT1 but never made use of it. I know (at least some of) what it can be used for but I never see mention of it being used. What do you guys use it for and why. I'd love to see examples with a short explanation.
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You can basically use it for most things. Even in situations where there is movement, you will often times find that it is perfectly fine.

The two primary reasons I use it are for when I need to be completely silent or if I am shooting a fast prime out in the sun.

It is not uncommon for me to hit the ES ceiling at 1/32000th with the 56/1.2 mounted.
 
Actually, at least with the XT-2 you can get away with a bit of movement.



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I am sure at higher speeds it would have been an issue.
 
RobertBetchel said:
Actually, at least with the XT-2 you can get away with a bit of movement.

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I am sure at higher speeds it would have been an issue.
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Thanks for this great example - just the sort of thing I was hoping for. Did you pan this shot? There doesn't seem to be much, if any, distortion of either cycle or verticals.

Vic

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The sky is full of holes that let the rain get in, the holes are very small - that's why the rain is thin.
Spike Milligan. Writer, comedian, poet, Goon. 1918 - 2002
 
No panning at all. Now granted the cyclist was going at a relatively slow pace- maybe 10 MPH.
 
I've used it when I need quiet, for example when traveling and visiting a church or museum where the shutter noise (even the relatively quiet Fuji) would be unwanted.
 
Like Vic Chapman, I have not used ES. Having read the posts here I am wondering if there is a case for leaving ES enabled full time for general shooting other than for moving subjects?

Thanks. Alan
 
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As for me, I always use the electronic shutter unless I am needing flash, under fluorescent light, or capturing fast movement. Why not save the wear on the mechanical shutter? Plus the stealth aspect is a definite plus.
 
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RobertBetchel said:
As for me, I always use the electronic shutter unless I am needing flash, under fluorescent light, or capturing fast movement. Why not save the wear on the mechanical shutter? Plus the stealth aspect is a definite plus.
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Glad it's working for you. Perhaps you can post some examples of fast motion taken with the ES. Some of the examples I've seen definitely exhibit rolling shutter artifacts. Worth noting that for moderate motion, it's not an issue and your approach would probably work fine. However, for relatively fast motion, it's definitely something to be concerned about.

I'll stick with my recommendation (and that of others with far more expertise than I have) to not use it across the board as you've chosen to do.
 
Hi Vic Chapman

I have been wondering same thing, what way ES could be worse than mechanic. I have not found any good information about the matter. I have seen 2 different test pictures where I could see some change in two pictures, one taken with ES, other with MS. That change was so little, it was easy to fix afterwards in Photoshop. Motive in both pics were fan propel. That goes around fast, does that mean, movement must be so fast before you can see the difference, I don't know.

I have red that ES shutter start writing picture after you take it, and writing process is between 1/15 - 1/25 sec, and during that time sensor gets more light, sounds nonsense. If ES sensor make it possible to use times 1/8000 - 1/34000 sec, how can it receive light after that thunder fast moment.

I have had my XT2 about a month, I have only used ES, not seen any issues. I do lot of street pictures, I am moving myself, same time people on street are moving, in my pictures both me and people are moving and my pictures have not shown any issues.

I put here a picture I took from moving train, trains speed was about 120 km/h, ISO 2000, f/5,6 and 1/2000 sec. Shouldn't this



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situation show some issue of ES, tell me if you see something because I don't see. So I am going to use ES in future.

My picture is just a test picture without any other value, jouni
 
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