Sharpest portrait lens for Olympus Pen F

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Hello,

Well I got an Olympus Pen F for Christmas, and now need a decent lens for it. I am quite picky when it comes to sharpness, from my previous use of prime lenses on DSLRs... My favourite was the Nikkor 60mm macro which I miss dearly. I have tried the Zuiko 25mm 1.8 and was not impressed at all, so sold it immediately. I currently have the 17mm kit lens which really isn't floating my boat either...

I've seen a Panasonic Leica 42.5mm 1.2 had very high praise but the price is really too much...

I'm stuck! Any suggestions?

Thanks. :-)
 
You have to consider the age of the subject.

A sharp lens might be okay with a child having flawless skin, but for older people or teenagers with problem skin you definitely do not want a sharp lens, unless you are one of those photographers who likes to go to impoverished countries and capture wrinkled, toothless souls who probably would rather not have their pictures taken.

In fact, some portraits look a whole lot better with a bit of softening.

What's important about portraits, in my opinion - unless you have some artistic intent to do otherwise, is that both eyes are sharp and facial features are not distorted by the use of a wide angle lens (unless you want the distortion).

I find the Olympus 45mm an excellent portrait lens - and have taken good portraits with the Panasonic 20mm, as well.

Better not to be on top of your subject, but stand back a bit and even do a bit of cropping to get the best result.

Isabel
 
I second the Panasonic 42.5mm F/1.7. I'm new to photography but I love that lens. It's pretty affordable and I like the 42.5mm focal length for portraits.
 
My Sigma DC DN 30/1.4 is a favorite choice, and it is one of the sharper lenses available for M43. But no way near as sharp as the same Sigma lens for Sony APS-C cameras, according to tests performed by DxO.
It's the exact same lens, so...

I had a quick look. And everything is fine. On Sony, the 30 scores the same as the 60, beating all first-party options. On Micro 4/3, the 30 scores the same as 60, only they are not the best options in the system, as there are other great lenses there.

The difference in numerical score is just how DxO measures those things. The bigger the sensor the higher the score. Even more so if it has 50% more pixels.
Ah, the same old equivalence arguments again. I'm not going there, except to quote what DxO said themselves about the Sony vs M43 versions:

This is from their review of the Sony version:


"Sharpness is a significant improvement over the Micro-Four-Thirds format version, however, and its score of 16 P-Mpix is the joint highest sharpness score achieved on a Sony E-mount lens alongside another Sigma prime (the 60mm f/2.8 DN A). Resolution is strongest between f/2.8 and f/5.6, with acutance approaching 80% across large parts of the frame and only minor drop-off in the corners. Wide open at f/1.4, the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 DN is not completely uniform, but it’s not far off, with acutance around 65% in the center, dropping to 60% at the edges. Diffraction at narrower f/11 and f/16 apertures reduces sharpness, which drops just below 60%, but resolution is reasonably uniform at these settings, too."

I had to make this choice but I decided to buy the M43 version for it's very superior bokeh.
 
Most µ4/3 lenses are very sharp. But do fine portraits, you need a bright lens able to separate the subject from its background.

Since budget is a prime concern to you, I'd say...

The cheapest solution is probably the excellent Sigma 30mm F/1,4.

Then the Voigtländer 25mm F/0,95 (at F/2,8, precisely) or the M.Zuiko 75mm F/1,8.

Then the extraordinary PanLeica 42,5mm F/1,2.

And maybe the M.Zuiko 25mm F/1,2 (a weak suggestion since my copy hunts to make focus on my OM-D e-m5).
 
My Sigma DC DN 30/1.4 is a favorite choice, and it is one of the sharper lenses available for M43. But no way near as sharp as the same Sigma lens for Sony APS-C cameras, according to tests performed by DxO.
It's the exact same lens, so...

I had a quick look. And everything is fine. On Sony, the 30 scores the same as the 60, beating all first-party options. On Micro 4/3, the 30 scores the same as 60, only they are not the best options in the system, as there are other great lenses there.

The difference in numerical score is just how DxO measures those things. The bigger the sensor the higher the score. Even more so if it has 50% more pixels.
Ah, the same old equivalence arguments again. I'm not going there,
It has nothing to do with equivalence. This is how DxO's scoring system works.

And in this particular case, we are talking about DxO score of 16 on a 24mp sensor vs the score of 10 on a 16 mp sensor. Both are at ~65% of theoretical max, which to me means they perform almost identically, which is expected from the same lens. The best MFT lenses reach 80%, BTW. And the larger the sensor, the bigger this percentage gets with DxO scores and can get very close to 100% on full-frame cameras.
except to quote what DxO said themselves about the Sony vs M43 versions:

This is from their review of the Sony version:

https://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Sigma-30mm-f-1.4-DC-DN-C-lens-review-Sony-E-top-ranking-prime

"Sharpness is a significant improvement over the Micro-Four-Thirds format version
Well, 16 is 60% bigger value than 10, hence "sharpness is significantly improved". But it does not mean there's some magic in action that makes APS-C version of that lens 60% sharper. It's the same lens. Of course the same lens will give you higher score when used with a sensor that has 50% more pixels.

And if you had not noticed, DxO's "reviews" are nothing more than a commentary for their score numbers.
The main reason this lens is sharper on the APS-C cameras is because it was really designed particularly for the Sony bodies. Sigma knew that is where most of their sales would go. ( the Sony bodies.)

The same was also true for the older Sigma f2.8 lenses of 19, 30 and 60mm variants.
 
Most µ4/3 lenses are very sharp. But do fine portraits, you need a bright lens able to separate the subject from its background.
No not really but it sure helps if your lazy or know little else.

Focal length of lens, subject distance to lens, subject distance to background and even lighting all effect what is visible or in focus.

Even the cheap basic 40-150mm kit lens can be good, its not all about max wide f stops you know.
Since budget is a prime concern to you, I'd say...

The cheapest solution is probably the excellent Sigma 30mm F/1,4.

Then the Voigtländer 25mm F/0,95 (at F/2,8, precisely) or the M.Zuiko 75mm F/1,8.

Then the extraordinary PanLeica 42,5mm F/1,2.

And maybe the M.Zuiko 25mm F/1,2 (a weak suggestion since my copy hunts to make focus on my OM-D e-m5).
If the poster wants a bokeh monster at a reasonable price she should have stuck with Nikon really.

Personally I would not spend a whole heap of doh, perhaps just a 45mm or 60mm at best.
 
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Olympus 45mm, 75mm , 25mm 1.2, 60mm 2.8

Lumix 42.5mm 1.2, 1.7

But like Isabel has said, too much sharpness could be a bane , not a boon for less than perfect skin

I usually have to use software to smoothen the skin for a more flattering look

So the sharpest may not always be called for IMHO

Cheers,
 
Most µ4/3 lenses are very sharp. But do fine portraits, you need a bright lens able to separate the subject from its background.
No not really but it sure helps if your lazy or know little else.

Focal length of lens, subject distance to lens, subject distance to background and even lighting all effect what is visible or in focus.

Even the cheap basic 40-150mm kit lens can be good, its not all about max wide f stops you know.
Since budget is a prime concern to you, I'd say...

The cheapest solution is probably the excellent Sigma 30mm F/1,4.

Then the Voigtländer 25mm F/0,95 (at F/2,8, precisely) or the M.Zuiko 75mm F/1,8.

Then the extraordinary PanLeica 42,5mm F/1,2.

And maybe the M.Zuiko 25mm F/1,2 (a weak suggestion since my copy hunts to make focus on my OM-D e-m5).
If the poster wants a bokeh monster at a reasonable price she should have stuck with Nikon really.

Personally I would not spend a whole heap of doh, perhaps just a 45mm or 60mm at best.
The Sigma 30mm F/1.4 is a bokeh monster at a reasonable price.
 
You have to consider the age of the subject.

A sharp lens might be okay with a child having flawless skin, but for older people or teenagers with problem skin you definitely do not want a sharp lens, unless you are one of those photographers who likes to go to impoverished countries and capture wrinkled, toothless souls who probably would rather not have their pictures taken.

In fact, some portraits look a whole lot better with a bit of softening.
Any softening wants to be done in post really, people don't want soft lenses any more, they just want to get something that pays and gets the job done and the sharper lenses do to a point,

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What's important about portraits, in my opinion - unless you have some artistic intent to do otherwise, is that both eyes are sharp and facial features are not distorted by the use of a wide angle lens (unless you want the distortion).

I find the Olympus 45mm an excellent portrait lens - and have taken good portraits with the Panasonic 20mm, as well.

Better not to be on top of your subject, but stand back a bit and even do a bit of cropping to get the best result.

Isabel

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My Sigma DC DN 30/1.4 is a favorite choice, and it is one of the sharper lenses available for M43. But no way near as sharp as the same Sigma lens for Sony APS-C cameras, according to tests performed by DxO.
It's the exact same lens, so...

I had a quick look. And everything is fine. On Sony, the 30 scores the same as the 60, beating all first-party options. On Micro 4/3, the 30 scores the same as 60, only they are not the best options in the system, as there are other great lenses there.

The difference in numerical score is just how DxO measures those things. The bigger the sensor the higher the score. Even more so if it has 50% more pixels.
Ah, the same old equivalence arguments again. I'm not going there,
It has nothing to do with equivalence. This is how DxO's scoring system works.

And in this particular case, we are talking about DxO score of 16 on a 24mp sensor vs the score of 10 on a 16 mp sensor. Both are at ~65% of theoretical max, which to me means they perform almost identically, which is expected from the same lens. The best MFT lenses reach 80%, BTW. And the larger the sensor, the bigger this percentage gets with DxO scores and can get very close to 100% on full-frame cameras.
except to quote what DxO said themselves about the Sony vs M43 versions:

This is from their review of the Sony version:

https://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Sigma-30mm-f-1.4-DC-DN-C-lens-review-Sony-E-top-ranking-prime

"Sharpness is a significant improvement over the Micro-Four-Thirds format version
Well, 16 is 60% bigger value than 10, hence "sharpness is significantly improved". But it does not mean there's some magic in action that makes APS-C version of that lens 60% sharper. It's the same lens. Of course the same lens will give you higher score when used with a sensor that has 50% more pixels.

And if you had not noticed, DxO's "reviews" are nothing more than a commentary for their score numbers.
The main reason this lens is sharper on the APS-C cameras is because it was really designed particularly for the Sony bodies. Sigma knew that is where most of their sales would go. ( the Sony bodies.)

The same was also true for the older Sigma f2.8 lenses of 19, 30 and 60mm variants.
And some of these performed even better on M4/3.
I've never heard that before.
 
Olympus 45mm, 75mm , 25mm 1.2, 60mm 2.8

Lumix 42.5mm 1.2, 1.7

But like Isabel has said, too much sharpness could be a bane , not a boon for less than perfect skin
If you want soft skin there are betters was of achieving this without the use of a soft lens, use your knickers, tights or stockings draped over the lens or use some lace or net curtain a screen etc etc,

Honestly just get the one portrait lens and make sure its sharp enough, softening is the easy bit.
I usually have to use software to smoothen the skin for a more flattering look

So the sharpest may not always be called for IMHO

Cheers,
 
sigma 60 i favorite this lens

over the pana 42.5 but the pana is good.

also check the macro lenses avaliable they may be sharp enough for you.

finally 12-50 3.5-6.3 from olympus is not bright but does fine in rendering
 
Hello,

Well I got an Olympus Pen F for Christmas, and now need a decent lens for it. I am quite picky when it comes to sharpness, from my previous use of prime lenses on DSLRs... My favourite was the Nikkor 60mm macro which I miss dearly. I have tried the Zuiko 25mm 1.8 and was not impressed at all, so sold it immediately. I currently have the 17mm kit lens which really isn't floating my boat either...

I've seen a Panasonic Leica 42.5mm 1.2 had very high praise but the price is really too much...

I'm stuck! Any suggestions?

Thanks. :-)
I own a copy of the m.zuiko 45mm f/1.8, and you might look that way. But then if neither the 17mm nor 25mm "float your boat," get out and spend the big dollars to salvage the sinking ship. Good luck.
 
My Sigma DC DN 30/1.4 is a favorite choice, and it is one of the sharper lenses available for M43. But no way near as sharp as the same Sigma lens for Sony APS-C cameras, according to tests performed by DxO.
It's the exact same lens, so...

I had a quick look. And everything is fine. On Sony, the 30 scores the same as the 60, beating all first-party options. On Micro 4/3, the 30 scores the same as 60, only they are not the best options in the system, as there are other great lenses there.

The difference in numerical score is just how DxO measures those things. The bigger the sensor the higher the score. Even more so if it has 50% more pixels.
Ah, the same old equivalence arguments again. I'm not going there,
It has nothing to do with equivalence. This is how DxO's scoring system works.

And in this particular case, we are talking about DxO score of 16 on a 24mp sensor vs the score of 10 on a 16 mp sensor. Both are at ~65% of theoretical max, which to me means they perform almost identically, which is expected from the same lens. The best MFT lenses reach 80%, BTW. And the larger the sensor, the bigger this percentage gets with DxO scores and can get very close to 100% on full-frame cameras.
except to quote what DxO said themselves about the Sony vs M43 versions:

This is from their review of the Sony version:

https://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Sigma-30mm-f-1.4-DC-DN-C-lens-review-Sony-E-top-ranking-prime

"Sharpness is a significant improvement over the Micro-Four-Thirds format version
Well, 16 is 60% bigger value than 10, hence "sharpness is significantly improved". But it does not mean there's some magic in action that makes APS-C version of that lens 60% sharper. It's the same lens. Of course the same lens will give you higher score when used with a sensor that has 50% more pixels.

And if you had not noticed, DxO's "reviews" are nothing more than a commentary for their score numbers.
The main reason this lens is sharper on the APS-C cameras is because it was really designed particularly for the Sony bodies. Sigma knew that is where most of their sales would go. ( the Sony bodies.)

The same was also true for the older Sigma f2.8 lenses of 19, 30 and 60mm variants.
And some of these performed even better on M4/3.
I've never heard that before.
Yes especially in the corners and it makes sense really.
Well I have both the Sigma f2.8 19mm and 30mm lenses for my Sony APS-C system. Both lenses are sharp, and there is good coverage from corner to corner. Unlike a few of the Sony lenses.

Roger Cicala did some great Imatests of these lenses, and I seem to recall that the APS-C examples got higher scores.
 
You always want the sharpest lens you can afford. We have amazing tools to soften the look as needed. Back in the day we might use lighting and makeup. Today we can add Frequency Separation and other digital tools. Buy the sharp kens.
 
Lots of good suggestions above.

The Oly 25mm 1.8 is sharp though - see Robin Wong's review of it. So maybe you have a technique problem.

Really you be saying what focal length you want, and then get suggestions.
 
Most µ4/3 lenses are very sharp. But do fine portraits, you need a bright lens able to separate the subject from its background.
No not really but it sure helps if your lazy or know little else.
Oh yea?

Everybody knows that one of the biggest strengths of the µ4/3 platform is our amazing choice of ultra-sharp 25mm lenses.

Just give a look.

According to Lenstips, the max resolution of these lenses:

25mm ultra-sharp µ4/3 LENSES :

84 lpmm Voigtländer 25mm 0,95 (at F/2,8)
75 lpmm PanLeica 25mm F/1,4 (at F/4,0)
74 lpmm M.Zuiko 25mm F/1,8 (at F/4,0)
71 lpmm Lumix 25mm F/1,7 (at 5,6)

50mm rotten NIKON lenses

45 lpmm Nikkor AF 50mm F/1,4 (at F/5,6)
47 lpmm Nikkor AF 50mm F/1,8 (at 5,6)
45 lpmm Nikkor AF-S 50mm F/1,4 (at F/5,6)
45 lpmm Nikko AF-S 50mm F/1,8 (at F/4,0)

and the Canon ones are as bad as the Nikon ones.
 
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My Sigma DC DN 30/1.4 is a favorite choice, and it is one of the sharper lenses available for M43. But no way near as sharp as the same Sigma lens for Sony APS-C cameras, according to tests performed by DxO.
It's the exact same lens, so...

I had a quick look. And everything is fine. On Sony, the 30 scores the same as the 60, beating all first-party options. On Micro 4/3, the 30 scores the same as 60, only they are not the best options in the system, as there are other great lenses there.

The difference in numerical score is just how DxO measures those things. The bigger the sensor the higher the score. Even more so if it has 50% more pixels.
Ah, the same old equivalence arguments again. I'm not going there,
It has nothing to do with equivalence. This is how DxO's scoring system works.

And in this particular case, we are talking about DxO score of 16 on a 24mp sensor vs the score of 10 on a 16 mp sensor. Both are at ~65% of theoretical max, which to me means they perform almost identically, which is expected from the same lens. The best MFT lenses reach 80%, BTW. And the larger the sensor, the bigger this percentage gets with DxO scores and can get very close to 100% on full-frame cameras.
except to quote what DxO said themselves about the Sony vs M43 versions:

This is from their review of the Sony version:

https://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Sigma-30mm-f-1.4-DC-DN-C-lens-review-Sony-E-top-ranking-prime

"Sharpness is a significant improvement over the Micro-Four-Thirds format version
Well, 16 is 60% bigger value than 10, hence "sharpness is significantly improved". But it does not mean there's some magic in action that makes APS-C version of that lens 60% sharper. It's the same lens. Of course the same lens will give you higher score when used with a sensor that has 50% more pixels.

And if you had not noticed, DxO's "reviews" are nothing more than a commentary for their score numbers.
The main reason this lens is sharper on the APS-C cameras is because it was really designed particularly for the Sony bodies. Sigma knew that is where most of their sales would go. ( the Sony bodies.)

The same was also true for the older Sigma f2.8 lenses of 19, 30 and 60mm variants.
And some of these performed even better on M4/3.
I've never heard that before.
Yes especially in the corners and it makes sense really.
Well I have both the Sigma f2.8 19mm and 30mm lenses for my Sony APS-C system. Both lenses are sharp, and there is good coverage from corner to corner. Unlike a few of the Sony lenses.

Roger Cicala did some great Imatests of these lenses, and I seem to recall that the APS-C examples got higher scores.
As mentioned above, it's exactly the same glass, with the only difference being the mount.
And again as I mntioned before, the lenses are sharper on the Sony APS-C bodies because these lenses were designed particularly for the Sonys. Not the M43 bodies.
 
My Sigma DC DN 30/1.4 is a favorite choice, and it is one of the sharper lenses available for M43. But no way near as sharp as the same Sigma lens for Sony APS-C cameras, according to tests performed by DxO.
It's the exact same lens, so...

I had a quick look. And everything is fine. On Sony, the 30 scores the same as the 60, beating all first-party options. On Micro 4/3, the 30 scores the same as 60, only they are not the best options in the system, as there are other great lenses there.

The difference in numerical score is just how DxO measures those things. The bigger the sensor the higher the score. Even more so if it has 50% more pixels.
Ah, the same old equivalence arguments again. I'm not going there,
It has nothing to do with equivalence. This is how DxO's scoring system works.

And in this particular case, we are talking about DxO score of 16 on a 24mp sensor vs the score of 10 on a 16 mp sensor. Both are at ~65% of theoretical max, which to me means they perform almost identically, which is expected from the same lens. The best MFT lenses reach 80%, BTW. And the larger the sensor, the bigger this percentage gets with DxO scores and can get very close to 100% on full-frame cameras.
except to quote what DxO said themselves about the Sony vs M43 versions:

This is from their review of the Sony version:

https://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Sigma-30mm-f-1.4-DC-DN-C-lens-review-Sony-E-top-ranking-prime

"Sharpness is a significant improvement over the Micro-Four-Thirds format version
Well, 16 is 60% bigger value than 10, hence "sharpness is significantly improved". But it does not mean there's some magic in action that makes APS-C version of that lens 60% sharper. It's the same lens. Of course the same lens will give you higher score when used with a sensor that has 50% more pixels.

And if you had not noticed, DxO's "reviews" are nothing more than a commentary for their score numbers.
The main reason this lens is sharper on the APS-C cameras is because it was really designed particularly for the Sony bodies. Sigma knew that is where most of their sales would go. ( the Sony bodies.)

The same was also true for the older Sigma f2.8 lenses of 19, 30 and 60mm variants.
And some of these performed even better on M4/3.
I've never heard that before.
Yes especially in the corners and it makes sense really.
Well I have both the Sigma f2.8 19mm and 30mm lenses for my Sony APS-C system. Both lenses are sharp, and there is good coverage from corner to corner. Unlike a few of the Sony lenses.

Roger Cicala did some great Imatests of these lenses, and I seem to recall that the APS-C examples got higher scores.
As mentioned above, it's exactly the same glass, with the only difference being the mount.
And again as I mntioned before, the lenses are sharper on the Sony APS-C bodies because these lenses were designed particularly for the Sonys. Not the M43 bodies.
Let's say that's true for the sake of this discussion. I'm curious why should that matter so much to you. I'd be more interested in how it stack up against other m43 f1.4 lenses.

And from same site(DxO), the 25/1.4 is sharper at the center but loses out towards the edges. So, for single person on-center portraits, the 25/1.4 'wins' but for landscape, group portraits and single person off-center portraits, the 30/1.4 'wins', no?
True but in any case, the Sigma 30/1.4 is adequately large so that the corners are less seriously affected, in either variant. And the APS-C variant of the 30/1.4 wins for landscape use because it is wider, at 45mm equivalent. And the M43 variant of the 30/1.4 wins for portraiture because it is 60mm equivalent.

Well I made the choice for what I considered to be the less-sharp 30/1.4 option , just to get the nice bokeh. (I can't be bothered with post-production.) Some other lens reviews also indicated that the APS-C option was sharper. If what you- all say is true, then I benefit from my choice of the M43 option.
 
The main reason this lens is sharper on the APS-C cameras is because it was really designed particularly for the Sony bodies.
And you really think that higher resolution sensor has nothing to do with that higher score?
Yes of course, but not completely.
Sigma knew that is where most of their sales would go. ( the Sony bodies.)

The same was also true for the older Sigma f2.8 lenses of 19, 30 and 60mm variants.
Two of which were lenses originally designed for their DP compact cameras, tweaked for mirrorless. So hardly designed specifically for Sony bodies.

It's really nothing more than a conjecture on your part, I'm afraid.
Nonsense. I've had years of experience with some of these lenses. I've seen the data; I could find it again if I really want to dig deep for it, but is it really worth my trouble?

The DP1 Merrill had a fixed 19mm f2.8 lens, and the DP2 had a 30. But the interchangeable 19/2.8 and 30/2.8 Sigma lenses were originally designed with 3 bodies in mind; Sony NEX (expected to be the big seller,) Samsung NX with the long registry (which was withdrawn) and M43.
 

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