Nikon D810 Successor

I heard that Nikon will not be making another DF but instead are releasing a DM.... M for Mirrorless :) In celebration of Nikons 100th anniversary. Which is this year apparently !

No matter what... I think Nikon will have been putting there thinking caps on, over the last few years in readiness for something special ! :)
 
Yup, but the D500 is a piece of clever marketing. It is a completley different camera to the D300, based on the low end platform rather than the top level one, and marketed as a 'mini D5', which it isn't.
Of course this is all speculation, but I disagree with your categorisation of the D500 platform. In what way do you see it as related to the D750 exactly?

To me, the D500 seems to have a much closer relationship to the D5 (and D810), in terms of materials, construction and weather resistance, AF/metering, control layout and overall "style". I'd say its relationship with the D5/D810 is pretty similar to how the D300 related to the D700 and D3. The only real similarity I can see between D500 and D750 platforms is the tiltable monitor.
 
Yup, but the D500 is a piece of clever marketing. It is a completley different camera to the D300, based on the low end platform rather than the top level one, and marketed as a 'mini D5', which it isn't. I would see the D8x0 going the same way (the D810 already partially is, it gained a plastic chassis to fix the D800 cracking issues)
I don´t know how much of a myth the cracking issue of D800 is, but I´m sure it must have happened to some.
I did drop my D800 to the ground a couple of times without severe injuries (to the cam).

My old D300 for sure took some bad beating and I´m sure D3, D4 and other metal bodies have had their fair share of abuse without cracking, so why don´t they?

What is it with the D800 metal that is inferior to other bodies?

I have nothing against composites ("plastic"), I just wonder what was wrong with the D800 and why mfg:s continue to use metal for their top bodies.
 
Yup, but the D500 is a piece of clever marketing. It is a completley different camera to the D300, based on the low end platform rather than the top level one, and marketed as a 'mini D5', which it isn't.
Of course this is all speculation, but I disagree with your categorisation of the D500 platform. In what way do you see it as related to the D750 exactly?
Because that is what it is. It has the same basic construction as the D750, the same internal mechanisms.
To me, the D500 seems to have a much closer relationship to the D5 (and D810), in terms of materials, construction and weather resistance, AF/metering, control layout and overall "style". I'd say its relationship with the D5/D810 is pretty similar to how the D300 related to the D700 and D3. The only real similarity I can see between D500 and D750 platforms is the tiltable monitor.
That's because Nikon's marketing wanted you to think that. If you actually look at the camera, it is build on the same basic kit of parts as the D7x00 and the D750.

Let's look at what you said:

First materials and construction. Here is Nikon's exploded diagram of the D500

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Note that the front panel, mirror box, internal chassis are all made of carbon loaded polymer, the top and back are made of magnesium alloy. Now let's look at the D5

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You'll see that this is a fully magnesium construction, now the only Nikon of which this is true. (Canon similarly only has the top model with a metal chassis).

The D750 is built like the D500

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as to weather resistance, who knows? It's possible that it's actually better than the D5, because the polymer materials can be moulded to a greater precision, so much closer seams and less need for gaskets.

Now for 'AF/metering, control layout and overall "style" '. Indeed the D500 got the D5 AF and metering, very consciously adopted the same styling themes (but then so will all the subsequent cameras until the D6, that's how Nikon works) and they have put button turrets on rather than a mode wheel (a minor point in construction terms). However, in conltrol layout, there is a big giveaway as to what's going on underneath the hood.

Here is a front view of the D5 and D4s

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The thing to note here is the position of the stop-down / Fn button. In these cameras, stop-down is entirely electronic with a separate motor, so Nikon can put the button where the ergonomists think is best. Same for the D810

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And it was the same for the D300 (which actually used the D2 mechanism)

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Since the D70, the low end Nikons have had a basically mechanical stop down which constrains the position of the button. Not quite as good ergonomically, but allows for a simple, cheaper mechanism.



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That was carried through into the D7000

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This was carried through to the D600, which essentially used the same mech, expanded for FX

(note also the change from D3 styling to D4 styling that happened between the D7000 and D600)

(note also the change from D3 styling to D4 styling that happened between the D7000 and D600)

Also the D750 (alongside the D810, so you can see the difference)

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...and the D500 (alongside the D750, so you can see the similarities)

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D500 and D750 are much the same camera, except AF, control switches on the turret, DX sized sensor, shutter, mirror and viewfinder (the reduced mass is why it can get the extra 3 FPS) and, of course the AF and meter units. Particularly, the D500 is in the D70 lineage, not the D2 lineage.

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I have been using the D810 for over 2 years and i absolutely love the sharpness and image quality of the camera,It is also one of the best rated camera on DXO camera website.I was hoping to replace my D810 with the new Sony A99 ii but lack of good quality of lens i am backing off.I am also waiting to hear about the successor of the D810 with wifi,Gps,touch screen and also new focusing system.

Is there any chance of Nikon announcing the camera anytime soon ?
just jumped ship from the D750 to the A99ii the image quality and colour rendition is in a completely different league to Nikon.

I agree with lack of lenses, but the Third party lenses dominate the A mount along with 4 or 5 good Zeiss lenses. They really do have every lens you need in the A mount (sonys own versions are pretty poor though)
 
D500 and D750 are much the same camera, except AF, control switches on the turret, DX sized sensor, shutter, mirror and viewfinder (the reduced mass is why it can get the extra 3 FPS) and, of course the AF and meter units.
I think you just reinforced my point. That's a long list of "excepts" - and you still missed out the built-in flash :-)
 
D500 and D750 are much the same camera, except AF, control switches on the turret, DX sized sensor, shutter, mirror and viewfinder (the reduced mass is why it can get the extra 3 FPS) and, of course the AF and meter units.
I think you just reinforced my point.
No, I didn't.
That's a long list of "excepts" -
Yup, the list of 'excepts' is mainly down to it being a DX camera, against the D7200 it would be a much shorter list
and you still missed out the built-in flash :-)
Let's go back to your list:
'in terms of materials,
Like the D750, not the D5
construction
Like the D750, not the D5
and weather resistance,
Like the D750, not the D5
AF/metering,
Like the D5
control layout
Like the D5
and overall "style".
Sure, but on that basis the D7100 (styled like a D4) isn't 'like' a D7000 (styled like a D3).

In the beginning, there was the D2 (the D1 being a hacked F100 and the D100 a hacked F80). The D2 begat the D200 and the D3 which begat the D4 which begat the D5. The D200 begat the D300. The D3 begat the D700. The D4 begat the D800 which begat the D810 after an illicit relationship with a Canon 5D.

Nikon looked at the D100 and saw that it was good, but too expensive to build to allow it to be sold to the masses, so Nikon made the D70 from a sensor it took from the D100. The D70 begat the D50 and D80, which begat the D90, which begat the D7000, which begat the D7100 and D600. The D600 begat the D610 which begat the D750. The D7100 begat the D7200 which begat the D500.

Nikon Looked at the D50, and decided it could be taken no further, so it made the D40, which begat the D40X, which begat the D60, which begat the D3000 and D5000. The D3000 begat the D3100, which begat the D3200, which begat the D3300, which begat the D3400. The D5000 begat the D5100, which begat the D5200, which begat the D5300 which begat the D5500.

The D500 is of the House of D70, not the House of D2.

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I have a D810 and like you love it, I have taken many photos with it and feel like it's now getting a tad bit old, but honestly I don't need another camera, but the gearhead in me, twist and turns at wanting the successor to the D810, the only down side I have ever noticed to the D810 was the AF, side AF points have been useless to me, inaccurate at times, I never come of my middle focus point unless on a tripod, I would also love a - EV - 4 if possible as I find focussing on the subject without a focus assist beam quite difficult, also rear button lights would be lovely,

Maybe Nikon could go with a more smoother body design also? Im finding the hard edge camera bodies not as nice anymore, (The extruding head at the top etc)

I wonder what we have in store,

Im excited
 
Yup, but the D500 is a piece of clever marketing. It is a completley different camera to the D300, based on the low end platform rather than the top level one, and marketed as a 'mini D5', which it isn't. I would see the D8x0 going the same way (the D810 already partially is, it gained a plastic chassis to fix the D800 cracking issues)
I don´t know how much of a myth the cracking issue of D800 is, but I´m sure it must have happened to some.
It was pretty well tracked and documented by Thom Hogan.
I did drop my D800 to the ground a couple of times without severe injuries (to the cam).
The problem with it was, that since the cracking was internal, you didn't know, but the precise focus suffered due to misalignment of the sensor and mount. Quite often these misalignments were put down to the D800 AF problem.
My old D300 for sure took some bad beating and I´m sure D3, D4 and other metal bodies have had their fair share of abuse without cracking, so why don´t they?
I think that they did. There was an interesting thread about a guy who rebuilt a D3. Its chassis was cracked in several places. But, so far as the user is concerned what's out of sight is out of mind.
What is it with the D800 metal that is inferior to other bodies?
I think the actual difference is that a misalignment that is unnoticeable in a 12MP body might be quite noticeable in a 36MP body.
I have nothing against composites ("plastic"), I just wonder what was wrong with the D800 and why mfg:s continue to use metal for their top bodies.
Mostly marketing and tradition, I think. Nikon stuck to metal for their top end bodies, mainly because they are a very conservative company. Canon made the EOS-1 out of plastic on the basis of positive experience with the T90. Nikon followed suit with the F100. But Nikon marketing made quite a big thing about the metal of the D5 versus the plastic of the EOS-1. Then Canon discovered the magnesium thixomoulding practice, and stole a march on Nikon by making the whole of the EOS-1V in 'metal', actually magnesium. Magnesium is a pretty unsatisfactory alloy, but can be moulded to high precision using this process. The big marketing advantage for Canon was that their cameras were 'all metal' while Nikons had plastic shells on a metal chassis (and still do at the front), so Nikon was forced to follow suit and also used the magnesium thixomoulding process for the whole camera. They went on to use the magnesium technology far deeper into the range than Canon ever did (only the EOS-1 ever had a metal chassis). The magnesium chassis was much less satisfactory than the Silumin aluminium/silicon alloy Nikon had previously used for their chasses, but they could market it as a 'metal' camera.

Meanwhile Canon discovered with the 7D and 5DIII that you could sell people a plastic chassis camera with a metal skin and have everyone think it was metal throughout with a little weasel wording in the specs and some misleading product photos, and now once again, Nikon follows suit.
 
Just my subjective preferences regarding these possibilities:
- D820: a 50+ Mp sensor inside the D500 body with the CAM20K AF for Nikon to compete with the high resolution market that now includes the new medium format players
Not interested.
- D780: as the D810 is retired from production, the body platform of the D760 picks up the 36Mp slot while retaining the CAM3500 AF- basically a D810 in the smaller D760 body.
Not interested.
- DF2: anniversary retro design with ergonomic improvements from the DF.
Interested only if it's mirrorless.
- D620: taking over the D750 position, retaining the 24Mp sensor, but getting the better CAM-3500 AF.
Not interested.
- D5X may be announced in 2017 for delivery in 2018 with a 60Mp to claim the top resolution in FF land and a D5S also in 2018 with improvements to the present 20.9 Mp sensor.
Not interested.
- D900: late 2017, with the present 20.9Mp sensor inside a D500-like platform, the way the D700 was to the D3.
Very interested!!!
 
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There seems to be a view that metal is better than plastic absolutely. A little flippantly I could wonder if Nikon knows more about making cameras than we do?
 
Of course, I don't have any inside knowledge of Nikon plan but here are some speculations for the fun of closing this 2016 and looking into 2017:

- D820: a 50+ Mp sensor inside the D500 body with the CAM20K AF for Nikon to compete with the high resolution market that now includes the new medium format players

- D780: as the D810 is retired from production, the body platform of the D760 picks up the 36Mp slot while retaining the CAM3500 AF- basically a D810 in the smaller D760 body.
The D500 body is essentially the D750 body, just some different types of switches/wheels on it. So, I suspect you're right, but I don't think Nikon will go 50+, I think they'll use the 42MP BSI sensor from the A7RII. Two reasons, one - it is a fantastic sensor, probably overall the nest made, second, generally Nikon only introduces one new Sony sources sensor and one of its own over a product cycle, and it's already used that R&D budget with the D5 and a sony special for the D500, so I expect the rest of the range is off-the-shelf Sony. I think the BSI capability will more than make up for the slight deficit in resolution compared to the Canon, and it will likely be a faster camera, too.

Whether they stay at 24MP or make the jump to 36 for the next step down is interesting. Not sure what they do.
- DF2: anniversary retro design with ergonomic improvements from the DF. This model would get the 36Mp sensor also, as well as the better CAM3500 AF module.
Can't see it, I think the DF was a one off. If they are doing an anniversary special, it's more likely to be an FF mirrorless, with a short variant of the electronic diaphragm/AF-S version of the F mount (with simple adapter, like the Canon EOS-M mount, probably in the box) posing as a revived Nikon S series
- D620: taking over the D750 position, retaining the 24Mp sensor, but getting the better CAM-3500 AF.
I'm betting they'll pass on that. I reckon that the D750 was the planned D620, the marketing department had a last minute wheeze of branding it as a new series. The range looks too crowded as it is.
- D5X may be announced in 2017 for delivery in 2018 with a 60Mp to claim the top resolution in FF land and a D5S also in 2018 with improvements to the present 20.9 Mp sensor.
Can't see a D5X, that ship has sailed. D5s for sure, there is always an 's' version of the top range model. (the others too, they just change the naming convention, so the D800s was called the D810 instead)
- D900: late 2017, with the present 20.9Mp sensor inside a D500-like platform, the way the D700 was to the D3.
That wouldn't be like the D700 was to the D3. D5 and D500 are completely different cameras. I can't see it happening, either. Just makes everything too crowded. It would be extremely similar to the D760 (which as I say is essentially the same platform as the D500)
A busy enough plan for Nikon? ... nice to speculate but I think Nikon will only do half of this in the next 12 months. Cheers and Happy New Year to everybody.
They will only do half of it ever. No 'D900', no D5X, probably no D620, possibly no follow up to the Df
 
Of course, I don't have any inside knowledge of Nikon plan but here are some speculations for the fun of closing this 2016 and looking into 2017:

- D820: a 50+ Mp sensor inside the D500 body with the CAM20K AF for Nikon to compete with the high resolution market that now includes the new medium format players

- D780: as the D810 is retired from production, the body platform of the D760 picks up the 36Mp slot while retaining the CAM3500 AF- basically a D810 in the smaller D760 body.
The D500 body is essentially the D750 body, just some different types of switches/wheels on it. So, I suspect you're right, but I don't think Nikon will go 50+, I think they'll use the 42MP BSI sensor from the A7RII. Two reasons, one - it is a fantastic sensor, probably overall the nest made, second, generally Nikon only introduces one new Sony sources sensor and one of its own over a product cycle, and it's already used that R&D budget with the D5 and a sony special for the D500, so I expect the rest of the range is off-the-shelf Sony. I think the BSI capability will more than make up for the slight deficit in resolution compared to the Canon, and it will likely be a faster camera, too.

Whether they stay at 24MP or make the jump to 36 for the next step down is interesting. Not sure what they do.
- DF2: anniversary retro design with ergonomic improvements from the DF. This model would get the 36Mp sensor also, as well as the better CAM3500 AF module.
Can't see it, I think the DF was a one off. If they are doing an anniversary special, it's more likely to be an FF mirrorless, with a short variant of the electronic diaphragm/AF-S version of the F mount (with simple adapter, like the Canon EOS-M mount, probably in the box) posing as a revived Nikon S series
- D620: taking over the D750 position, retaining the 24Mp sensor, but getting the better CAM-3500 AF.
I'm betting they'll pass on that. I reckon that the D750 was the planned D620, the marketing department had a last minute wheeze of branding it as a new series. The range looks too crowded as it is.
- D5X may be announced in 2017 for delivery in 2018 with a 60Mp to claim the top resolution in FF land and a D5S also in 2018 with improvements to the present 20.9 Mp sensor.
Can't see a D5X, that ship has sailed. D5s for sure, there is always an 's' version of the top range model. (the others too, they just change the naming convention, so the D800s was called the D810 instead)
- D900: late 2017, with the present 20.9Mp sensor inside a D500-like platform, the way the D700 was to the D3.
That wouldn't be like the D700 was to the D3. D5 and D500 are completely different cameras. I can't see it happening, either. Just makes everything too crowded. It would be extremely similar to the D760 (which as I say is essentially the same platform as the D500)
A busy enough plan for Nikon? ... nice to speculate but I think Nikon will only do half of this in the next 12 months. Cheers and Happy New Year to everybody.
They will only do half of it ever. No 'D900', no D5X, probably no D620, possibly no follow up to the Df
 
Of course, I don't have any inside knowledge of Nikon plan but here are some speculations for the fun of closing this 2016 and looking into 2017:

- D820: a 50+ Mp sensor inside the D500 body with the CAM20K AF for Nikon to compete with the high resolution market that now includes the new medium format players

- D780: as the D810 is retired from production, the body platform of the D760 picks up the 36Mp slot while retaining the CAM3500 AF- basically a D810 in the smaller D760 body.
The D500 body is essentially the D750 body, just some different types of switches/wheels on it. So, I suspect you're right, but I don't think Nikon will go 50+, I think they'll use the 42MP BSI sensor from the A7RII. Two reasons, one - it is a fantastic sensor, probably overall the nest made, second, generally Nikon only introduces one new Sony sources sensor and one of its own over a product cycle, and it's already used that R&D budget with the D5 and a sony special for the D500, so I expect the rest of the range is off-the-shelf Sony. I think the BSI capability will more than make up for the slight deficit in resolution compared to the Canon, and it will likely be a faster camera, too.

Whether they stay at 24MP or make the jump to 36 for the next step down is interesting. Not sure what they do.
- DF2: anniversary retro design with ergonomic improvements from the DF. This model would get the 36Mp sensor also, as well as the better CAM3500 AF module.
Can't see it, I think the DF was a one off. If they are doing an anniversary special, it's more likely to be an FF mirrorless, with a short variant of the electronic diaphragm/AF-S version of the F mount (with simple adapter, like the Canon EOS-M mount, probably in the box) posing as a revived Nikon S series
- D620: taking over the D750 position, retaining the 24Mp sensor, but getting the better CAM-3500 AF.
I'm betting they'll pass on that. I reckon that the D750 was the planned D620, the marketing department had a last minute wheeze of branding it as a new series. The range looks too crowded as it is.
- D5X may be announced in 2017 for delivery in 2018 with a 60Mp to claim the top resolution in FF land and a D5S also in 2018 with improvements to the present 20.9 Mp sensor.
Can't see a D5X, that ship has sailed. D5s for sure, there is always an 's' version of the top range model. (the others too, they just change the naming convention, so the D800s was called the D810 instead)
- D900: late 2017, with the present 20.9Mp sensor inside a D500-like platform, the way the D700 was to the D3.
That wouldn't be like the D700 was to the D3. D5 and D500 are completely different cameras. I can't see it happening, either. Just makes everything too crowded. It would be extremely similar to the D760 (which as I say is essentially the same platform as the D500)
A busy enough plan for Nikon? ... nice to speculate but I think Nikon will only do half of this in the next 12 months. Cheers and Happy New Year to everybody.
They will only do half of it ever. No 'D900', no D5X, probably no D620, possibly no follow up to the Df
 
There seems to be a view that metal is better than plastic absolutely. A little flippantly I could wonder if Nikon knows more about making cameras than we do?

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Of course, I don't have any inside knowledge of Nikon plan but here are some speculations for the fun of closing this 2016 and looking into 2017:

- D820: a 50+ Mp sensor inside the D500 body with the CAM20K AF for Nikon to compete with the high resolution market that now includes the new medium format players

- D780: as the D810 is retired from production, the body platform of the D760 picks up the 36Mp slot while retaining the CAM3500 AF- basically a D810 in the smaller D760 body.
The D500 body is essentially the D750 body, just some different types of switches/wheels on it. So, I suspect you're right, but I don't think Nikon will go 50+, I think they'll use the 42MP BSI sensor from the A7RII. Two reasons, one - it is a fantastic sensor, probably overall the nest made, second, generally Nikon only introduces one new Sony sources sensor and one of its own over a product cycle, and it's already used that R&D budget with the D5 and a sony special for the D500, so I expect the rest of the range is off-the-shelf Sony. I think the BSI capability will more than make up for the slight deficit in resolution compared to the Canon, and it will likely be a faster camera, too.

Whether they stay at 24MP or make the jump to 36 for the next step down is interesting. Not sure what they do.
- DF2: anniversary retro design with ergonomic improvements from the DF. This model would get the 36Mp sensor also, as well as the better CAM3500 AF module.
Can't see it, I think the DF was a one off. If they are doing an anniversary special, it's more likely to be an FF mirrorless, with a short variant of the electronic diaphragm/AF-S version of the F mount (with simple adapter, like the Canon EOS-M mount, probably in the box) posing as a revived Nikon S series
- D620: taking over the D750 position, retaining the 24Mp sensor, but getting the better CAM-3500 AF.
I'm betting they'll pass on that. I reckon that the D750 was the planned D620, the marketing department had a last minute wheeze of branding it as a new series. The range looks too crowded as it is.
- D5X may be announced in 2017 for delivery in 2018 with a 60Mp to claim the top resolution in FF land and a D5S also in 2018 with improvements to the present 20.9 Mp sensor.
Can't see a D5X, that ship has sailed. D5s for sure, there is always an 's' version of the top range model. (the others too, they just change the naming convention, so the D800s was called the D810 instead)
- D900: late 2017, with the present 20.9Mp sensor inside a D500-like platform, the way the D700 was to the D3.
That wouldn't be like the D700 was to the D3. D5 and D500 are completely different cameras. I can't see it happening, either. Just makes everything too crowded. It would be extremely similar to the D760 (which as I say is essentially the same platform as the D500)
A busy enough plan for Nikon? ... nice to speculate but I think Nikon will only do half of this in the next 12 months. Cheers and Happy New Year to everybody.
They will only do half of it ever. No 'D900', no D5X, probably no D620, possibly no follow up to the Df

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http://www.cameraegg.org/category/nikon-d5x/
Well, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. So far, that's a rumour and Nikon Rumors, the source rates it as 'low probability'. In fact, what NR suspects is D760 with D5 sensor in D750 body, then D820, No new D6x0. That sounds quite plausible.

If they do release a D5X, no 50MP D820.

Looking at this post on NR:

http://nikonrumors.com/2016/12/14/new-nikon-camera-registered-in-indonesia.aspx/#more-109503

There's pretty definitely a DSLR going to be announced very soon. D760 or D820, your guess as good as mine.

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http://www.cameraegg.org/nikon-d760-on-honduras-newspaper/
That's a fake. The D760 will have all the D5 styling cues. That has all the D4 styling cues. Easy things to look for are the shape of the red splash on the grip, which changes each generation and the shape of the prism housing, which does also.

Here's the supposed D760 (Just a D750 with a number change)

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Here's an actual D750

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Here's a D500, with the D5 styling cues:

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You'll noted the concave effect on the prism housing, not also that the deepest bit of the red flash is rotated outwards in the D500 (hard to see from this angle)

Nikon always replicates it generation styling cues on cameras released after the Dx model.

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Yup, but the D500 is a piece of clever marketing. It is a completley different camera to the D300, based on the low end platform rather than the top level one, and marketed as a 'mini D5', which it isn't. I would see the D8x0 going the same way (the D810 already partially is, it gained a plastic chassis to fix the D800 cracking issues)
I don´t know how much of a myth the cracking issue of D800 is, but I´m sure it must have happened to some.
It was pretty well tracked and documented by Thom Hogan.
I did drop my D800 to the ground a couple of times without severe injuries (to the cam).
The problem with it was, that since the cracking was internal, you didn't know, but the precise focus suffered due to misalignment of the sensor and mount. Quite often these misalignments were put down to the D800 AF problem.
My old D300 for sure took some bad beating and I´m sure D3, D4 and other metal bodies have had their fair share of abuse without cracking, so why don´t they?
I think that they did. There was an interesting thread about a guy who rebuilt a D3. Its chassis was cracked in several places. But, so far as the user is concerned what's out of sight is out of mind.
What is it with the D800 metal that is inferior to other bodies?
I think the actual difference is that a misalignment that is unnoticeable in a 12MP body might be quite noticeable in a 36MP body.
I have nothing against composites ("plastic"), I just wonder what was wrong with the D800 and why mfg:s continue to use metal for their top bodies.
Mostly marketing and tradition, I think. Nikon stuck to metal for their top end bodies, mainly because they are a very conservative company. Canon made the EOS-1 out of plastic on the basis of positive experience with the T90. Nikon followed suit with the F100. But Nikon marketing made quite a big thing about the metal of the D5 versus the plastic of the EOS-1. Then Canon discovered the magnesium thixomoulding practice, and stole a march on Nikon by making the whole of the EOS-1V in 'metal', actually magnesium. Magnesium is a pretty unsatisfactory alloy, but can be moulded to high precision using this process. The big marketing advantage for Canon was that their cameras were 'all metal' while Nikons had plastic shells on a metal chassis (and still do at the front), so Nikon was forced to follow suit and also used the magnesium thixomoulding process for the whole camera. They went on to use the magnesium technology far deeper into the range than Canon ever did (only the EOS-1 ever had a metal chassis). The magnesium chassis was much less satisfactory than the Silumin aluminium/silicon alloy Nikon had previously used for their chasses, but they could market it as a 'metal' camera.

Meanwhile Canon discovered with the 7D and 5DIII that you could sell people a plastic chassis camera with a metal skin and have everyone think it was metal throughout with a little weasel wording in the specs and some misleading product photos, and now once again, Nikon follows suit.
Interesting insights, thanks.
 
just jumped ship from the D750 to the A99ii the image quality and colour rendition is in a completely different league to Nikon.
I agree completely.

Sony has some way to go to catch up, but they are working on it ...
 

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