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No doubt this has been brought up before but ..i was wondering do you get to a point when you look at your pics knowing that its not perfect, you can see its a bit soft here or there, maybe a smaller aperture would have been better or maybe that other lens should have been used and you say to yourself , ""what the hell its good enough.

On this site we constantly pic photos apart saying its a bit soft here, or you should have used this aperture, or your lens might be a bad copy, but really the only person who needs to like it is the guy who took it. Can there ever be a perfect photo?

In my experience any of my prints hanging on the walls of family and friend homes have never been criticized for being slightly out of focus or soft, all i get is hey thats a great shot can i have a copy. Seriously maybe it is a bit soft in some corner or maybe the focus point was slightly off, but when its viewed in print and by non photographers and public in general who like it does it matter

Im sure i have opened a hornets nest here lol.
 
It is really simple.......

If you like your own shots then all is good.

If others dislike your shots then obviously they have no taste.

Regards..... Guy
 
I don't take notice of negative comments on my pictures from anyone, unless I ask for comments. It's a hobby for me, and I am glad that after operations on both of my eyes I am now able to actually able to look through a viewfinder again, instead of at the screen of my mobile phone.
 
Not enough o's in your title ;-)
 
No doubt this has been brought up before but ..i was wondering do you get to a point when you look at your pics knowing that its not perfect, you can see its a bit soft here or there, maybe a smaller aperture would have been better or maybe that other lens should have been used and you say to yourself , ""what the hell its good enough.
Yes. That was the case on the FF era... Photos some soft there and here but no matter.

It only matters when you shoot test charts or you buy new gear (fear of buying bad gear).
On this site we constantly pic photos apart saying its a bit soft here, or you should have used this aperture, or your lens might be a bad copy, but really the only person who needs to like it is the guy who took it. Can there ever be a perfect photo?
The perfect photograph is about timing and composition. It literally is nothing else.

It can be highest ISO value your camera can do, it can be clipping both ends same time half the frame but when you have the timing and framing nothing else matters.
In my experience any of my prints hanging on the walls of family and friend homes have never been criticized for being slightly out of focus or soft, all i get is hey thats a great shot can i have a copy. Seriously maybe it is a bit soft in some corner or maybe the focus point was slightly off, but when its viewed in print and by non photographers and public in general who like it does it matter

Im sure i have opened a hornets nest here lol.
I did open small hornet's nest by presenting the real world test made with the prints and then talking about the real world feedback and blind test results. The result was that no one could separate FF from APS-C and from m4/3 when all photos were taken with identical settings (not equal, but identical) with high ISO (3200 and 6400) in good (1/1250) and bad light (1") and printed larger than typical ones (20x15", 25" diagonal).

Prints were made on premium material and put a bet review through as random people casting their votes about best quality.

Regardless of the "inequal" settings, there is nothing to worry in m4/3 gear to produce top notch quality.

The only problem really is the mentality here at DPR about quality. Pixel peepers, and FF advocates spreading around the myths about 2 stops difference and shallow DOF requirements being the ultimate "end of all" and "clear difference" and causing bad things to new users or less experienced users that their gear "ain't good enough" like there would be something "inferior" in m4/3 mount system and all 4/3" sensor cameras without acknowledging or even understanding the real world limitations and requirements.

Behind a me is currently a 75" print, it occupies the wall such manner by its size that you can't even put a 65" television on the same wall as it is so dominative. You can not put even medium 4 person couch under it as it dominates the space.

In this room where I sit I could hang 5 of such prints by physical space, but they do not fit to the decoration and space as there are 9 doors and 7 windows and the whole decoration just doesn't accept multiple large prints. Instead I can have one huge print and then 31 prints in size of 20" to fit to decoration in this room.

And yet no one would look the 75" print closer than 2m, even when they sit straight under it. They always stand up and walk further to look such size print.

The 20" prints are looked from closer range, but not closer than about 40-50cm.

And at those distances and sizes the IQ difference is just so non-existing that you can not point prints and say by definition "That is taken with FF, that is with MF, that is 1"" and no one would do that at all unless they are interested to know the technique and method and see the difference by themselves.

The 99% of the time all discussion is always about the theme, the composition and timing and especially the story behind the photograph.

The same thing is not just modern photographs or ones taken in digital era. The same thing applies all the time of the photography. I can go and pick a any family photo album and point any photo and people would not care about clearly soft lens or grain or so. Even many flash first/second curtain exposures are accepted, but usually are just found to be "odd".

And then comes the pixel peepers, FF advocates (are they same?) that think that if there is a one pixel or twice more noise in a 75" print, it is simply bad or inferior!

This is reason why for most people Olympus 75-300mm Mk2 is more than good enough. Why Panasonic 100-400mm is as great as Olympus 300mm f/4.

Why it is useless to compare test charts for sharpness.

If you use test charts to find a dealigned lens or a sun to find the flaring problems (pana 7-14mm on oly body) that is a valid point to learn what you can do. But I have never read from here that someone would be doing test prints and hanging them on the wall for testing purpose how the camera really performs in real situations and then come back to say that the print looks bad on the wall because sharpness is below specific line of MTF chart.
 
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My personal experience is that the less skilled photographer is the more the he is complaining about his gear - aka softness, sharpness low DR etc.
 
Quite frankly you should expect comments. both good & bad, if you post on a public forum. This , principally, is a gear orientated site not an excuse to boast about your pics or to get unqualified praise.

If comments are constructive & an aid to producing better photos then accept them & learn. If they are just gratuitous insults, then ignore them.
 
Spot on from my perspective Tommi
 
One can indeed expect comments. But one can equally just ignore them, especially when presented in an unprofessional manner.
 
Tommi K1 wrote:O

The perfect photograph
There is no such thing as the perfect photograph. It is all relative and everyone sees perfection in a different way.
is about timing and composition. It literally is nothing else.
Actually, it is about much more than that. Light and subject just to mention two more. The rest is listed in every good photography book.

Moti

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I am only picky and look at 100% view to some images, when I bought a new lens. I do this to see, if the lens has any faults from manufacturing. Most often it is decentered optics.

If I find such a problem, the lens goes back to my dealer.

In all other cases, I rarely look at my images in 100% view, as it doesn't really matter in real world.

On the other hand, I do value good quality lenses. Therefore, I bought the O 4/12-100mm has my future travel zoom and will stop using super zooms such has my O 14-150mm. The differences are visible in full image view. As a second aspect, the build quality is important to me. Smooth zoom rings simply are a pleasure to use, and sealing against water splashes and rain helps me to use the lens in harsh weather conditions and especially in the times, when weather clears up, but the plants and trees are still full of water or when a short shower will happen.
 
No doubt this has been brought up before but ..i was wondering do you get to a point when you look at your pics knowing that its not perfect, you can see its a bit soft here or there, maybe a smaller aperture would have been better or maybe that other lens should have been used and you say to yourself , ""what the hell its good enough.
As one who earns a living out of photography the answer is simple. "Good enough" is the quality that makes my clients happy and drives them to buy my photos and to hire me for further jobs. It is not necessarily the best possible quality, this part I leave to technicians and gearhead.
On this site we constantly pic photos apart saying its a bit soft here, or you should have used this aperture, or your lens might be a bad copy, but really the only person who needs to like it is the guy who took it. Can there ever be a perfect photo?
The reason for this is that on this site there are many technicians and not nough photographers.

And to your other question, No, there is not such thing as a perfect photo, it is all relative because veryone sees perfection in a different way.
In my experience any of my prints hanging on the walls of family and friend homes have never been criticized for being slightly out of focus or soft, all i get is hey thats a great shot can i have a copy.
This is because your friends are not part of these forums and they judge your photos by their aesthetic values and not by some less important technical details.
Seriously maybe it is a bit soft in some corner or maybe the focus point was slightly off, but when its viewed in print and by non photographers and public in general who like it does it matter
Who cares as long as people like them?
Im sure i have opened a hornets nest here lol.
You haven't, it is open since long time, from the moment that people became slaves of their digital cameras and stopped reading books about photography.

Cheers,

Moti

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People were more picky than any of us long before any of us were born.
 
With the knowledge that we can have high quality comes a desire to have high quality. Nothing strange about that. Take focus for example: film isn't as flat as a digital sensor, so even with an SLR we didn't have the same control over focus.

Or white balance: with film, most people had no control whatsoever because very few processed their own colour prints and those who did know that it was far more difficult than what anyone can do today sitting at their monitor.

I don't see anything wrong or strange about expecting technological progress to make a difference in outcome. My first car didn't have power steering or anti-locking brakes or air conditioning or power door locks and I didn't expect it. If any of those things stop working on the car I have today I have every reason to be dissatisfied.
 
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Current equipment is really very good so it is the responsibility of the operator to use it effectively. If you are not happy with the results and the equipment is the most up to date and best quality, then it is a user problem. Time for classes and manuals.
 
As others have commented, what makes a really good interesting picture (i.e. apart from correct focus and exposure) are things like subject, composition, lighting, timing.

Those are the qualities that win competitions, and that I personally am always striving for...with only occasional success and no prizes ( so far)

Qualities like absolute sharpness, dynamic range, noiselessness do contribute in a more subtle way. But with modern gear you can produce massive amounts of completely uninteresting images that have those secondary qualities in spades.

And I think the exaggerated appreciation of those qualities is characteristic of photo gear-heads, i.e. us, and is just part of the hobby and the fuel for gas.
 

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