105mm 1.4 on d750 or 85mm art 1.4 on d810?

HP1999 · Dec 23, 2016

I am using the D750 and 105 mm 1.4

I was never interested in the D810. The button layout and extra MP is not that big a deal unless you are making very large prints. Yes you have top shutter speed differences that for sport shooters sure, but I am not a sport shooter or am doing bill board prints and if I was I think medium format would be better anyway at that point.

The only other thing I suggest is the battery grip for the cameras as the lenses get larger especially with no VR in the lens

ArtAlt · Dec 23, 2016

calson said:
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Looking at the specs for the 105mm f/1.4 I decided to buy another 105mm f/2.0 DC lens as the DC does a great deal more for me than an extra f-stop in terms of the images I can create. The new 105 is an excellent lens but for my needs it is not the best 105mm lens.

Would you please explain more why you prefer the 105 f/2 DC? I'm sure many people in the market for a 105mm would find this interesting. I sure would. Have never used the DC, though I've read about it.

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ArtAlt · Dec 23, 2016

saaber1 said:
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Regarding the OP's Q, for me the character of the lens is the biggest difference maker. Some people see no difference between the Nikon 85mm 1.8G and the Nikon 85mm 1.4G for example. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that and the 85 18G is a great lens. But for me there is a huge difference between those 2 lenses. ...

Please describe what differences you see between the character of the 85mm f/1.4 and f/1.8, and which you prefer. Thanks!

dtray187 · Dec 24, 2016

Thanks guys! How do you get around shooting wide open mid day on d750 with shutter speeds only going to 4K?

nd filters for your lenses?

HP1999 · Dec 24, 2016

dtray187 said:
Thanks guys! How do you get around shooting wide open mid day on d750 with shutter speeds only going to 4K?

nd filters for your lenses?

You have to use ND filters or buy a top end variable ND. The expensive ones are better for Vari ND,

You can also do more lighting depending what you are shooting. This can involve more modifiers, flags, Go-Bo's

Many who shoot stills and video waste all this time on the camera and lens but forget light is what gets you the shot and how you control it.

Of course there is always the limitation of the camera and lens and photographers knowledge.

Video takes more planning in some ways for a successful shoot. Having a script or concept on paper saves time. As an aside I will also practice the camera move before recording and wasting GB and battery if i think I need to.

fieldray · Dec 24, 2016

If you use artificial light for your portraits you might like the additional flexibility of the D810. If you use natural light for your portraits (as I mostly do) the better low light performance of the D750 is of some advantage. Both are excellent cameras and I would be happy with either one.

The 105 F/1.4 has become my "go to" portrait lens. It has wonderful sharpness but renders skin naturally rather than clinically sharp, and the out of focus regions are just wonderful. I also like the 85mm focal length but probably use the 105 75% of the time because its perspective compression balances the scale of ears, eyes and nose better for a head and shoulders portrait. Also many people are more comfortable being photographed from 6 or 7 feet away rather than 4 or 5 feet so it is easier to get natural expressions. I use the 85 mostly when I want to draw a little of the surrounding environment into the portrait. Ultimately the choice between the two focal lengths is artistic and personal preference. That's why both are offered!

bokehmon22 · Dec 24, 2016

Here is a good comparison between 85 vs 105.

http://foto-info.si/review-of-nikon-af-s-105mm-f1-4e-ed-and-comparison-with-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4g/

ArtAlt · Dec 25, 2016

fieldray said:
If you use artificial light for your portraits you might like the additional flexibility of the D810. If you use natural light for your portraits (as I mostly do) the better low light performance of the D750 is of some advantage. Both are excellent cameras and I would be happy with either one.

The 105 F/1.4 has become my "go to" portrait lens. It has wonderful sharpness but renders skin naturally rather than clinically sharp, and the out of focus regions are just wonderful. I also like the 85mm focal length but probably use the 105 75% of the time because its perspective compression balances the scale of ears, eyes and nose better for a head and shoulders portrait. Also many people are more comfortable being photographed from 6 or 7 feet away rather than 4 or 5 feet so it is easier to get natural expressions. I use the 85 mostly when I want to draw a little of the surrounding environment into the portrait. Ultimately the choice between the two focal lengths is artistic and personal preference. That's why both are offered!

YES. I feel that owning BOTH a fast 85mm and a fast 105mm is important, at least for me, because I need the latter for headshots and the former for photographs of two or three people and/or portrait with more environment.

SO, if I had to choose only one it would be the 85mm with plans to shoot it like a 105mm for headshots, and then crop. Not optimal but fine. In that case the D810 would probably be more amenable for cropping.

I currently own the 85mm f/1.8G and the 105mm f/2.8 micro and both serve the functions I described above quite well. And I'm currently renting the f/1.4 versions of both to see whether I want to upgrade one or the other. (So far it's a tough call -- for my purposes.).

As for D750 vs D810 it's hard to go wrong but they are have very different strengths. I find the D750 more nimble, a bit faster to use, and I think it's hard to NOT live with a tilty screen once you have tried it and seen the advantages for events and environmental portraiture. Also lower light capability of the D750 for me is important in photographing performances and sometimes indoor portraits. The D810 has strictly speaking more resolution and higher IQ lacking an AA filter so I tend to use it more in studio.

Owning both is not redundant but neither it is essential. Glad that I can afford to though.

ArtAlt · Dec 25, 2016

bokehmon22 said:
Here is a good comparison between 85 vs 105.

http://foto-info.si/review-of-nikon-af-s-105mm-f1-4e-ed-and-comparison-with-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4g/

Matt Granger also compares them.

Matt's comparison I think is useful and revealing but left me without a strong preference outside of the focal length itself. That is very helpful IMHO.

Matt also has an earlier video comparing the 85mm f/1.8G to the f/1.4G. He concludes that they are both excellent and almost a tossup but I think that his examples show they are both excellent but quite different. The f/1.4 has a slightly warmer look than the f/1.8 and appears to offer more depth as well. It is softer wide open outside of the center. Both look very sharp to me starting at f/1.8. As for the "warmth", that boils down to a little extra yellow - to my eye - which some love and others don't. I don't. But I do love the extra 3-D pop of the 85mm f/1.4. I can reduce yellow in Lightroom but how on earth do you add 3-D pop?!

myseventhlife · Dec 25, 2016

Leonard Shepherd said:
myseventhlife said:

Chances are prices will go up in less than two weeks time (at least in Europe). If I could afford it I would grab one (105/1.4 ) right now.

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Why do you think this?

The 105 f1.4 has been easily available in the UK at 10% of list for some time. The UK pound has regained some of its initial Brexit fall.

While the 105 is superb the 85 mm Art is close.

At best you may get no more than 5% lens improvement, both lenses on a D810.

Well, the price hike expectation is according to the rumours site (I don't know if it will affect the 105 though).

If the 85 art doesn't focus properly then (for all except manual focus users) quality will be far from close to the 105.

Regards

Manzur Fahim · Dec 25, 2016

dtray187 said:
Hey guys. I could afford the 105mm 1.4 if I sold the d810 and bought a d750.

I have the art 85mm 1.4 now and just returned my rental of the 105mm 1.4.

The sigma is a bit sharper but I personally think it is just a bit clinical , maybe a bit boring compared to the 105... I like the way the 105 fills the frames for portraits better as well.

I wonder if I would notice any quality loss using a d750 vs my d810? I have seen a ton of great shots made with 24mp cameras. Don't want to end up regretting my decision.

I shoot Senior portraits , Children Portraits primarily.

Thanks!

I'd say keep the D810 and save some more money and go for the 105mm. I have used both and they are both sharp but the 105mm has more depth and the rendering characteristics are amazing. Sigma looks flatter in comparison. I have the 200mm f2 as well and it is just as good as the 200mm.

D810 and 105mm. Don't downgrade

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Manzur Fahim · Dec 25, 2016

sfnikon said:
sfnikon said:

I guess I am missing something. Wouldn't getting a bit closer with your 85 solve this? I don 't imagine you are talking about the difference in background compression between the 85 and 105, which would be minimal here.

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By that logic he could just walk closer with the much cheaper 50/1.4.

The 105/1.4 is an amazing portrait lens on FX (I haven't fully evaluated on DX yet) only surpassed by the 200/2 IMHO. It's a combination of perspective/compression/bokeh but also rendering and OOF transition that is very flattering to a face much like what the 200/2 does. Yes the 85 Art is the new resolution king (beats the Otus!) but that's irrelevant for portraits which seems to be your primary use. The 105/1.4 is already way more than sharp enough for this purpose. I haven't used the 85 Art so cannot comment on it's characteristics for portraits.

Batrinu Marius · Dec 26, 2016

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Die Hard Nikon User · Dec 27, 2016

Most definitively keep the D810, sell the Sigma and buy the 105.

noflashplease · Dec 27, 2016

dtray187 said:
Hey guys. I could afford the 105mm 1.4 if I sold the d810 and bought a d750.

I have the art 85mm 1.4 now and just returned my rental of the 105mm 1.4.

The sigma is a bit sharper but I personally think it is just a bit clinical , maybe a bit boring compared to the 105... I like the way the 105 fills the frames for portraits better as well.

I wonder if I would notice any quality loss using a d750 vs my d810? I have seen a ton of great shots made with 24mp cameras. Don't want to end up regretting my decision.

I shoot Senior portraits , Children Portraits primarily.

Thanks!

If you already own the Sigma ART 85m F/1.4 and 200mm F/2 VR, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to wait for a modern 135mm prime?

A few years ago, Nikon had a patent on a 135mm F/1.8, and quite frankly, that's the sort of lens to wait for.

As it is, the 105mm F/1.4E is a controversial lens. It might be fun to rent but with that plastic build and dinky AF motor, I don't think I'd care to own it outside of the warranty period.

Marianne Oelund · Dec 27, 2016

noflashplease said:
A few years ago, Nikon had a patent on a 135mm F/1.8, and quite frankly, that's the sort of lens to wait for.

As it is, the 105mm F/1.4E is a controversial lens.

So far, no point of "controversy" that I've seen presented, is both accurate and pointing out a true deficiency of the lens, relative to similar or competing models.

noflashplease said:
It might be fun to rent but with that plastic build

It doesn't have plastic "build." It has a polycarbonate shell, which is far less likely to deform and interfere with lens function following an impact, than a metal exterior is. The structural internal barrels pertinent to the optical precision and performance are metal.

noflashplease said:
and dinky AF motor,

Venture to guess which lens exterior material, and AF motor, will be used for the 135mm f/1.8?

noflashplease said:
I don't think I'd care to own it outside of the warranty period.

You must be avoiding most of Nikon's recently introduced products.

saaber1 · Dec 27, 2016

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Marianne Oelund said:
So far, no point of "controversy" that I've seen presented, is both accurate and pointing out a true deficiency of the lens, relative to similar or competing models.

Agree. Imo the real source of the controversy comes from poeple adjusting to the higher prices of lenses such as the new 105 and the new 70-200 ('m not sure the ones doing the criticizing are aware of this though) of course the motivation for some sources may well be to create controversy to generate web traffic sorry for punctuation my phone doesn't like periods : )

noirdesir · Dec 28, 2016

noflashplease said:
As it is, the 105mm F/1.4E is a controversial lens.

The lens isn't controversial, it's just a bunch of contrarians that find fault with everything.

lauarvic · Dec 29, 2016

It is the extra MP allow you to crop freely.

a_c_skinner · Dec 29, 2016

" but I personally think it is just a bit clinical , maybe a bit boring compared to the 105"

I strongly suspect you are kidding yourself because you want a reason to buy a new lens. DPR abounds with subjective descriptions of what lenses do that actually are difficult to define. They are in the eye of the beholder and on the rare occasions people post images without the EXIF data there is rarely a consensus as to which is preferable, even which fits which adjective. Personally I think you'll find the ART has bokeh which is frankly too flatulent combined with a charcoal like drawing of the image and a slightly edgy rendering.

105mm 1.4 on d750 or 85mm art 1.4 on d810?

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