UPDATE: 10D, class reunion, upset pro

Mitch Conner said:

I already know how to not cheese off a little king restaurant owner
over his staff.

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Wow! Me and you live in different worlds! I don't understand any of that sentence...

Mitch Conner said:

I learned how to get a taxi at SFO that gets me
home quicker and also doesn't make the driver mad.

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I always preferred long taxi rides home from SFO...ones that meandered from hotel to hotel, bar to bar. San Francisco is a town to be savored.

Abu Mumia

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'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'

• Apocalypse Now

the b&h guys are people too give em a break

i can see why you had problems with the photog at ur reunion u probably gave him lip service .. whats next ? blame him for reacting how you were acting?

Mitch Conner said:

Lu Yin said:

Interesting that you mention B&H. I think they are doing some
great, but their customer service really drives me nuts. Order from
them, but pray that you never have to deal with their customer
service reps. May be that's me, a Texan talking about New Yorkers.

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To me, acting that way is a part of their corporate culture so I've
gotten used to it. They said that they wouldn't negotiate with me
one time but they did anyway, giving me half off shipping and a
$100 something discount on a big order. They were happy, I was
happy. All the other times, I didn't ask for a discount but
irritated them anyway. Try ordering digital equipment from a film
guy or visa versa.

The order confirmation guy one time told me I was "breaking his
s". O.K. fine.

Nevertheless, B&H is 100% awesome. Adorama I've only dealt with
once and they were great too.

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beam me up scotty

im giving it all shes got captain

jk said:

the b&h guys are people...

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I thought they were robots.

No "lip service given". The one I negotiated with had no problem with me. That's how I see it.

Coherence did indeed suffer after I toned down that sentence. I need to write more better. I'd take it back if I could. Please ignore.

Zidar162589 said:

Not for any real reason, but because it was a reunion and you
wanted to impress some of the trashier women present so maybe a
couple of them would accompany you to a Motel 6 after the event.

What's this about "blue collar small businessmen?" What are you,
some sort of Hungarian count? Does relegating the photographer to
the social level of a muffler installer make you feel less empty
and worthless? The pro probably took the homecoming queen home that
night....and asked her "who was that dweeb with the flash thing?"

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Well he certainly isn't white collar and he does own/run a small business. Perhaps when he yells at his underling(s), his a big fish in a little pond.

The lesson learned is to just ignore him and do what I want.

For her sake, I hope he was gentle as he outweighs the homecoming queen by about 200 pounds.

Mitch Conner said:

My original post from last week is below. The pro came off as kind
of a jerk but not any more so than other blue collar, small
businesspeople I come into contact with.

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Mitch,

I've owned a handful of small businesses over the years, some blue collar and some white collar. Just wanted you to know that it was the same jackass running the show whether the business was classified blue collar or white.

Hu

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Larry, I couldn't agree with you any more.

I think it is rather obvious who carried the biggest chip on their shoulder. To me, the original post made it sound like Mr. Conner was looking for some kind of friction from the get go.

Larry H. Smith said:

The taste of attitude showing in these remarks makes one wonder how
much of it was showing at the event.

Larry

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I know, I know, ...everyone thinks they know what the terms mean.

But can someone provide or link-to an "official" defining of "white-collar' "blue-collar".

One hardly knows who(m?) to look down-on or up-to anymore!

Larry

Hu said:

Mitch Conner said:

My original post from last week is below. The pro came off as kind
of a jerk but not any more so than other blue collar, small
businesspeople I come into contact with.

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Mitch,

I've owned a handful of small businesses over the years, some blue
collar and some white collar. Just wanted you to know that it was
the same jackass running the show whether the business was
classified blue collar or white.

Hu

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Larry H. Smith said:

I know, I know, ...everyone thinks they know what the terms mean.

But can someone provide or link-to an "official" defining of
"white-collar' "blue-collar".

One hardly knows who(m?) to look down-on or up-to anymore!

Larry

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White collar = typically salary, desk job, Manager, CEO, Corporate clones, accountants, etc...supposedly "works with mind, not muscle" yeah...right...

Blue collar = worker, laborer, hourly pay, technician, construction, grocery store clerk, largest majority of the workforce. Last ones laid off, regardless of how useless they are.

Photographer is definitely a blue collar job.

Works around white collar red tape and B.S. tries to avoid white collar meetings. Attempts to actually accomplish something in the "real world", not just put minutes on whiteboard and consider job done.
First laid off, the rest are expected to pick up the slack.

Favorite white collar quote..."Gee, I wrote it down and published minutes, it must be done by now.."

Oh, I'm sorry, is my bias showing?

Last ones laid off, regardless of how useless they are.

OOps...stupid non edit function....

Last laid off = white collar.

What do you expect from a blue collar idiot?? Perfection?

Larry H. Smith said:

I know, I know, ...everyone thinks they know what the terms mean.

But can someone provide or link-to an "official" defining of
"white-collar' "blue-collar".

One hardly knows who(m?) to look down-on or up-to anymore!

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My views on this might be more nuanced than you assume. I don't view the term itself as an insult.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=blue*1+3&dict=A
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=white*1+2&dict=a

"Blue-collar means relating to people who do physical work rather than mental work, and who usually do not work in an office:
blue-collar workers. Compare white-collar at white (COLOR)"

"A white-collar person works in an office:
These days, few white-collar workers actually wear white shirts.
Compare blue-collar at blue (COLOR)"

Larry H. Smith said:

I know, I know, ...everyone thinks they know what the terms mean.

But can someone provide or link-to an "official" defining of
"white-collar' "blue-collar".

One hardly knows who(m?) to look down-on or up-to anymore!

Larry

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Larry,

The lines are thoroughly blurred at this point but supposedly a blue collar worker works with his hands and a white collar worker works with his head. Ain't sure what that makes a boxer!(grin)

More seriously, I've seen blue collar workers making over 70K a year on a site where some white collar workers barely broke 20K a year.

The technicians that maintained the real time computer systems at the local nuclear power plant were officially classified as blue collar. Hopefully they were the best and the brightest. Regardless, they made twice what I did in my white collar position and I figured they were worth every penny as one mistake on their part could shut down the plant at a cost of over a hundred thousand a day while it was down and maybe millions to restart.

I've known blue collar business owners that routinely made around a million a year, hard to look down your nose at them. When I owned a collection of blue collar businesses I often looked like the worst paid of my hired hands however when the dealing was done a very small percentage of the white collar workers in my town matched or surpassed my income.

Bottom line is that I have done everything from pump gas to being a major player on military R&D projects to computer and network system engineering to make a living. I think it is worse than foolish to look down on anyone that gives a day's work for a day's pay and ridiculous to lump people in a group and tar the entire group with the same brush.

Hu

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Mitch Conner said:

Mitch Conner wrote:

I wonder how TTL would have handled all that light if I set off the > strobes. I missed my chance!

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Since TTL instructs the camera to turn the flash off when proper exposure has been read, you would have just gotten an over exposed shot as my monolights would not have turned off for your camera.

I just kind of chuckle to myself when I see them fire. ;o) The few that don't cause my strobes to fire are likely going to be underexposed since they didn't even put out enough to set off the slaves, again, hehehehe

Thanks Hu ;-)

I'm a retired firefighter.

Blue collar "profession" by common definition.

A firefighter who does not do some serious, rapid, and accurate mental-work, under the most stressful conditions, is going to cost someone's life.

Dweebs in clean shirts who assume mental superiority because of a career choice pi** me off. ;-) (Present company excepted, of course, ...and appreciated!)

Because of this, I take a certain satisfaction from the fact that firefighters are usually at the top of lists which have attorneys at the bottom!

Larry

Hu said:

Larry H. Smith said:

I know, I know, ...everyone thinks they know what the terms mean.

But can someone provide or link-to an "official" defining of
"white-collar' "blue-collar".

One hardly knows who(m?) to look down-on or up-to anymore!

Larry

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Larry,

The lines are thoroughly blurred at this point but supposedly a
blue collar worker works with his hands and a white collar worker
works with his head. Ain't sure what that makes a boxer!(grin)

More seriously, I've seen blue collar workers making over 70K a
year on a site where some white collar workers barely broke 20K a
year.

The technicians that maintained the real time computer systems at
the local nuclear power plant were officially classified as blue
collar. Hopefully they were the best and the brightest. Regardless,
they made twice what I did in my white collar position and I
figured they were worth every penny as one mistake on their part
could shut down the plant at a cost of over a hundred thousand a
day while it was down and maybe millions to restart.

I've known blue collar business owners that routinely made around a
million a year, hard to look down your nose at them. When I owned a
collection of blue collar businesses I often looked like the worst
paid of my hired hands however when the dealing was done a very
small percentage of the white collar workers in my town matched or
surpassed my income.

Bottom line is that I have done everything from pump gas to being a
major player on military R&D projects to computer and network
system engineering to make a living. I think it is worse than
foolish to look down on anyone that gives a day's work for a day's
pay and ridiculous to lump people in a group and tar the entire
group with the same brush.

Hu

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Larry H. Smith said:

I'm a retired firefighter.

Blue collar "profession" by common definition.

A firefighter who does not do some serious, rapid, and accurate
mental-work, under the most stressful conditions, is going to cost
someone's life.

Dweebs in clean shirts who assume mental superiority because of a
career choice pi** me off. ;-) (Present company excepted, of
course, ...and appreciated!)

Because of this, I take a certain satisfaction from the fact that
firefighters are usually at the top of lists which have attorneys
at the bottom!

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All lawyers bad, all firefighters good. Talk about discrimination. Each serves a purpose. In my town, firefighters start at $80K per year, which means they outearn the average attorney and they are only slightly more likely to die on the job than an attorney. Throw in the volleyball and you've got a nice career. Nothing wrong with that. I don't think the term blue collar is an insult.

If it were my class reunion and I had a guy approach me yelling at me, I whip out my Flash and tell him to Kiss my A$$!

What was he going to do anyway?

It's not our fault that nine out of ten lawyers give the rest of us a bad name!

Nill
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http://www.toulme.net

dj lloyd said:

Hey Mitch,
I'm a small business owner and kind of resent your blanket opinion
of blue collar and small business people being jerks. There are 2
sides to every coin my friend and I've ran into some real jerks in
the white collar world also!! These would include some lawyers and
attorneys who share your profession. So before you type cast
everyone like that drop the snobbery and realize there are good
people in all walks of life.

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All kinds of both, ...(but I'm willing to bet there are certain trends ;-)

Mitch Conner said:

All lawyers bad, all firefighters good. Talk about discrimination.
Each serves a purpose. In my town, firefighters start at $80K per
year, which means they outearn the average attorney...

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Makes sense to me, ...but it sounds like I should have worked in your town!

Mitch Conner said:

and they are
only slightly more likely to die on the job than an attorney.

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If (IF) that's true (in YOUR TOWN perhaps, ) it must be because they know what they are doing. Are you seriously suggesting that an attorney faces a more-or-less-equal degree of job-related risk? (please!)

Seems like a short list to me, ...let's see,... irate divorce-suit "victim" in a murderous rage?...heart attack from fist-pounding for emphasis?

Mitch Conner said:

Throw in the volleyball and you've got a nice career. Nothing wrong
with that.

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Are we talking about the fact that fitness is a requisite for good firefighting, ...but less critical in a courtroom?(watch that fist-pounding!)

I don't think the term blue collar is an insult.

Good. And I agree, I've been too harsh in singling-out attorneys.
it isn't fair to blame them all for what 90% are like ;-)

All (semi-)kidding aside, Mitch, your initial use of the term in this thread was hardly in the context of a compliment, huh? (Those blue-collar guys "yelling'"at everyone because they're paranoid about some negative effects on their income, ... most of the ones you've dealt with, at that! (90% maybe?

I'll even acknowledge that SOME (so-called) firefighters SET fires so they can "heroically" fight them. They're sick of course.

I wonder how their numbers compare with attorneys who pass laws making their "services" necessary?

We're pretty far afield here, for DPR, and unlikely to have much effect on each other's perceptions, to boot.

I'll close wondering how the common perception of lawyers came about(?).

Life can be so unfair, ...maybe it was that DA* ed Shakespeare!

Larry