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Really? *istD is better than 10D - why should it cost the same as a cheap plastic DSLR, with an awfull viewfinder? And the *istD is almost here, is September will be on the market - but the Kiss (what do you say about this name???) was just anounced.

No doubt that Pentax will price the *istD as high as it can, but low enough to sell every camera they will make. Of course, that's too much for our taste ;-)

Alex Sarbu
 
The *istD should be priced under the 10D. Now people without Pentax glass will pick either 300D or 10D.
Filip M. said:
Filip M. wrote:
You can say that, but Canon has also strong points, e.g. much
better choice of lenses and other equipment, better worldwide
service (at least in my country). It is much stronger brand
nowadays. Pentax should have gone under the 10D... and now with the
EOS 300D, the istD situation is even worse
Sarbu Alexandru-Cristian said:
Alex
Sarbu Alexandru-Cristian said:
Really? *istD is better than 10D
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.. is that even some of Pentax users will go for the 300D... personally, I have only four lenses (20, 24, 28-70, 70-300 mm) and if the EOS is good and at a reasonable price, I ´ll sell the lenses and go for Canon. It´s easier to obtain anything for Canon here, and you can also expect new DSLR every year from them. Pentax seems to be exhausted after the istD already :-((
Arn said:
Arn said:
Filip M. wrote:
You can say that, but Canon has also strong points, e.g. much
better choice of lenses and other equipment, better worldwide
service (at least in my country). It is much stronger brand
nowadays. Pentax should have gone under the 10D... and now with the
EOS 300D, the istD situation is even worse
Sarbu Alexandru-Cristian said:
Alex
Sarbu Alexandru-Cristian said:
Really? *istD is better than 10D
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Arn said:
The *istD should be priced under the 10D. Now people without Pentax
glass will pick either 300D or 10D.
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I don't think so - the Canon 10D is 200 EUR cheaper than the first prices of the *istD here in Germany. If you only have one or two good lenses the *istD would be the better choice. And buy the 300D instead? I think you cannot compare it with the *istD - if the *istD had no chance, the Canon 10D would also have no chance and Canon would have to stop production.

Regards
Christian

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People really need to look at specs properly.

The *ist D is a much higher speced camera than the 300D, and therefore is going to be more expensive. It is a lot closer to the 10D.

It will be interesting what Pentax does, they have earlier said, that after the range is out, they are looking at a 6 month turn around in models. This is happening in the digicams, so will it do the same in SLRs, and bring out a lower speced DSLR similar to the 300D.
Lammy2002 said:
Lammy2002 said:
The *istD should be priced under the 10D. Now people without Pentax
glass will pick either 300D or 10D.
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I don't think so - the Canon 10D is 200 EUR cheaper than the
first prices of the *istD here in Germany. If you only have one
or two good lenses the *istD would be the better choice. And buy
the 300D instead? I think you cannot compare it with the *istD - if
the *istD had no chance, the Canon 10D would also have no chance
and Canon would have to stop production.

Regards
Christian

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http://www.digitalfotonetz.de
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Filip M. said:
You can say that, but Canon has also strong points, e.g. much
better choice of lenses and other equipment, better worldwide
service (at least in my country). It is much stronger brand
nowadays. Pentax should have gone under the 10D... and now
with the EOS 300D, the istD situation is even worse
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The 300D is a Rebel-level camera. Cost-reduced to the max. The *ist D will compete with the Canon 10D and the Nikon D100. Different market. The overall market for digital SLRs is large enough to accomodate all of 'em IMO.

-Dave-
 
Of course it has...

The main advantage of Canon is the USM&IS (Pentax AF is not bad, but noisy). I guess that in many cases (me included), the range of Pentax lenses will be enough, unless you're a pro.

About the better service... here (in Romania) the Pentax service is, imo, better. If there is such thing as "Canon authorised service" :-) Nikon is almost absent.

Alex Sarbu
Filip M. said:
Sarbu Alexandru-Cristian said:
Alex
Sarbu Alexandru-Cristian said:
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In Sweden, the price difference between a 300D with
a lens and a istD with a lens is $1000. I have old Pentax
lenses for $1500, and some of those lenses are of the
K type, that is not supported by istD fully.

So - if I use the price difference to buy lenses, I will
end up with a Canon with brand new lenses for the
same price.

Tempting.

Roland
 
Roland Karlsson said:
In Sweden, the price difference between a 300D with
a lens and a istD with a lens is $1000. I have old Pentax
lenses for $1500, and some of those lenses are of the
K type, that is not supported by istD fully.

So - if I use the price difference to buy lenses, I will
end up with a Canon with brand new lenses for the
same price.

Tempting.

Roland
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Yep, my situation is quite similar... and the difference in the Czech Rep. will be even more, because of the tax. If only Pentax hadn´t spoiled the istD by its inability to work with older and really great lenses.
 
Me too

I have two Pentax zooms and a fixed 50mm

I will be buying the Canon 300 next month for $999 for the whole kit of the body and two lenses going from 28-320mm

Very sad, as i really used to love Pentax.
Rob
Filip M. said:
Roland Karlsson said:
In Sweden, the price difference between a 300D with
a lens and a istD with a lens is $1000. I have old Pentax
lenses for $1500, and some of those lenses are of the
K type, that is not supported by istD fully.

So - if I use the price difference to buy lenses, I will
end up with a Canon with brand new lenses for the
same price.

Tempting.

Roland
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Yep, my situation is quite similar... and the difference in the
Czech Rep. will be even more, because of the tax. If only Pentax
hadn´t spoiled the istD by its inability to work with older and
really great lenses.
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The *istD and the Canon Digital Rebel (300D) are not direct competitors, however, with Canon's aggressive marketing strategy and new products every 6-12 months, Pentax is going to have a very hard time keeping up.

I used to shoot Pentax (ZX-7), but last January I switched to a Canon Elan 7 based on the digital direction that Canon was taking. The Pentax *istD hadn't been announced yet, or else I might have invested the money I spent on the Canon on more Pentax gear. Looking back I have no regrets - esp since we have yet to see price, delivery date, or even image samples from the *istD that was announced 6 months ago. The Canon was barely announced 2 days ago, and already we have confirmed pricing, delivery date, and image samples.

At this point, the only real advantage that Pentax might have over Canon (or Nikon or anyone else) is people that have a very significant investment in Pentax glass. But since the *istD is Handicapped with the older "k" stuff - those people might be more inclined to make the switch...

Sorry Pentax, but this might be a case of too little, too late. I still have my old ZX-7, but it is now pretty much my wife's camera. I was really hoping that the *istD would give Canon a run for their money...

Are you listening Pentax???
Arn said:
http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital/index.html

and it's a kick in the groin for *istD. Now we only need to know
the price. I hope Pentax reacts with pricing.
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I agree with everything you write except that the *istD and 300 are NOT competitors.

Of course they are.

They are both DSLR's.
Theyb are both in the area jsut above P&S and below the higher end pro DSLR's.

they are both small in size and they are more similar than dissimilar in features.

The huge differences - that will be a killer for pentax will be
Price - $600 cheaper on the Canon and has a "free" lens
Distribution - the Canon will be everywhere
Brand name - more normal people know Canon

That's a very hard combo to break down.

Rob
rattcnypher said:
I used to shoot Pentax (ZX-7), but last January I switched to a
Canon Elan 7 based on the digital direction that Canon was taking.
The Pentax *istD hadn't been announced yet, or else I might have
invested the money I spent on the Canon on more Pentax gear.
Looking back I have no regrets - esp since we have yet to see
price, delivery date, or even image samples from the *istD that was
announced 6 months ago. The Canon was barely announced 2 days ago,
and already we have confirmed pricing, delivery date, and image
samples.

At this point, the only real advantage that Pentax might have over
Canon (or Nikon or anyone else) is people that have a very
significant investment in Pentax glass. But since the *istD is
Handicapped with the older "k" stuff - those people might be more
inclined to make the switch...

Sorry Pentax, but this might be a case of too little, too late. I
still have my old ZX-7, but it is now pretty much my wife's camera.
I was really hoping that the *istD would give Canon a run for their
money...

Are you listening Pentax???
Arn said:
http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital/index.html

and it's a kick in the groin for *istD. Now we only need to know
the price. I hope Pentax reacts with pricing.
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