LIght meters are they essential for todays needs?

I don't understand what you mean by
[...] there is not reason for light meter as this can be adjust in camera screen.
You can use Exposure Compensation to adjust the brightness of the picture in camera or you can adjust brightness in PP, if you have no clipped highlights.

Michael Fryd's answer is much more eloquent and patient than mine, and I couldn't say it better.
 
thank you very much. i read your answer carefully and it was simple and clear to understand it. Yes most of the cases you interested about the face to get the right tones and of course your right the background is also very important. you have to rest your eyes in portrait and an interesting background that dont disrupt potrait will be good. it just dont happens to work with the histogram or blinkies. but a histogram tells you if an image is over or under exposed . but also a histogram can tell you if the image is well exposed even if is not under or even exposed? thank you
The histogram will tell you the distribution of the tones. You need to look at the image and see if the distribution make sense for the image.

As a first pass, you don't want a peak resting against either end of the histogram.
 
Hello:) thank you for you answer:) of course i dont try to teach you anything. but i understand that some people find the meter very useful and the best gadget near their camera and some people they dont need it at all. and for me is very good i speak with people like you because i am learing each time:) The problem i found in my photoshoots ( thats is not a lot) i get a flat image.. portrait and background look flat. after making adjustment in photoshop or lightroom i achieved to give to the portrait more real feel. but it seems that something is wrong .look at the photo is not bad photo but what you think about her skin? and the background?

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I am glad that you finally show an example of what you are talking about.

The problem with the picture above is not with light metering but with the human eye.

A human will see a lovely girl and a beautiful garden. The camera sees a scene it can't contain within a normal tone curve. Even if you disregard the brightness of the background, the play of light and shadow on the girl is a challenge to the camera. The specular highlight on her forehead is very bright and the shadow close to it is rather dark. You could lower contrast, but that would make the picture look flat.

As a photographer, you need to know and understand this, and then know what to do about it. Fill, either from a flash or from a reflector would be good, as would a scrim to soften the light on the girl's face. You could also move her into the shade.

In other words, a meter won't save you from this, because it's a property of reality.
Thank you very much for your answer:) Yes exactly i understand that a fill light from a reflector or a flash can give me much better results and this i will gone to do. at the moment i have 2 reflectors 60 cm and 1 meter round reflectors. and also i have my flash that is TTl and a stand with octagon softbox reflector 80cm ( to be honest i waiting my reflector for more than 2 months now to arrive) to fill light from reflectors is normal i guess. to fill light from flash i also have nd filters so i can reduce the shutter speed in case of sunny day and to increase my flash power so i can achieved this hight speed flash effect. but i guess that for bright days better will be the reflector and for deep afternoon - night will be the flash.
 
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Also i dont like this . i dont know why but i dont like.seems that her skin and the backround is not as i expexted.
Hello:) thank you for you answer:) of course i dont try to teach you anything. but i understand that some people find the meter very useful and the best gadget near their camera and some people they dont need it at all. and for me is very good i speak with people like you because i am learing each time:) The problem i found in my photoshoots ( thats is not a lot) i get a flat image.. portrait and background look flat. after making adjustment in photoshop or lightroom i achieved to give to the portrait more real feel. but it seems that something is wrong .look at the photo is not bad photo but what you think about her skin? and the background?

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I think your exposure is close. As to whether or not it's "correct", that's an artistic question. I don't think a meter is the right tool for an artistic opinion.

Her skin tone looks a bit dark because the background is light. If the background were darker, her skin would look brighter.

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Her skin color is exactly the same, but we perceive something different. This is not something a meter will fix.

Meter only off her skin, and she may look too dark, or too light depending on the background.

The trick is to understand how people see, and craft an image that looks right, even if measurements tell you that it is wrong.

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By the way, had you used a brighter exposure to get her skin to look lighter, you might have blown out the highlights on her forehead. You are much better with the lower exposure and no blown pixels, and then correcting in post.

Another option would be to use your camera's equivalent of Canon's highlight tone priority, which would have allowed you to brighten up the face without losing the detail in the highlights.
 
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Forgime me for my english and forgive me if some information i gave is stupid. i am amateur and i am trying to thinking and understand about meterings etc.
The point here is, I think, that you worry too much. You are clearly not stupid, but it seems to me you are arguing from a viewpoint influenced by too much reading and too little practice.

To most amateurs like myself, the question of correct exposure is a purely academic exercise. In most cases, relying on the built in meter will get you close enough, and an error of a stop or two can easily be salvaged in post, even more if you shoot raw.

An incident meter cannot compensate for specular highligts on a subject, and a reflective meter can't (and, as per Michael Fryd, need not always) compensate for a very bright or very dark subject.

To get the best possible exposure, you can use the histogram or the overexposure warnings (zebras or blinkies) to Expose To The Right. This will perhaps not give you the brightness you want, but with no clipped highlights in the raw data, you can adjust brightness in post. No meter is better than the data actually recorded.
Thank you. your answer is clear:) at the moment i have to read here and i dont worry as i waiting my light meter to come. and it seems that a lot of people here suggesting me that will not help me so thats why i am reading here and " worry" because if i will not keepi t i have to return it:)but let me ask you a question. if an image is not over exposed or underexposed means that is well exposed? so if my camera tells me be carefull this overexposed or underexosed this doesnt mean that i get the best images of people.so if the problem is the underexposed or overexposed there is not reason for light meter as this can be adjust in camera screen.
The fact is that all images are NOT "average", (where meters can indeed give you an accurate reading).

And if the scene is not "average", (as your examples), no meter is going to guarantee a "best" exposure.

Often times there is no "best" exposure if the scene has a wide dynamic-range, (like your examples).

Her face was (mostly) shadowed, but with a "specular" reflection on her forehead from the sun. Only fill-flash or a reflector could help the shadowed, and only a "schim" could block the specular highlight.

And indeed with fill-flash you could possibly also adjust the exposure for a best-exposed BACKGROUND, (cause it is overexposed in your example).

BUT ... you will also have to consider your shutter-speed w/ flash cause that can be a definite limitation. (Note that I use a FZ-1000 and can flash-sync @ 1/4000 so have less limitations in that regard.)

In other words, a "meter" (either reflected or incident), will NOT help much in this situation ...

The TOOLS in your camera, (AND YOUR HEAD), are needed in this situation.

Also note that HDR, (either in camera or post), could possibly be beneficial for this shot.
 
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Also i dont like this . i dont know why but i dont like.seems that her skin and the backround is not as i expexted.
Your model is darker than the background.

If you were there in person, you eyes would automatically adjust as they moved back and forth between the model and the background. On a print things are not so easy.

If you lighten everything up, the face will look good, but the background will be blown out.

If you darken everything, the background will look great, but the model will be too dark.

If you want them both to look good, you need to bring them closer together. You can do this in camera, by putting more light on the subject (have an assistant hold a big white piece of cardboard to reflect some light on the model), or in post production. You could also use on-camera flash for fill.

You will get the best results in post production if you shoot raw rather than JPEG. You want to expose as high as you can without losing anything you care about to blinkies.

Once you have the right capture, you will need some post production skills to process the image.

Another option is to use any features that your camera offers for dealing with this situation.

The problem with this image is not one of metering, it's that the image has an extremely high dynamic range.

I don't think that your meter purchase will address this issue.
 
i am an amateur photographer . i mostly like to shoot portraits indoor and outdoor.

I just ordered a light meter sekonic 308 .
Why? Shouldn't you have asked this question before buying.
How this light meter can help in general photography vs the cameras built in metering.
For most shooting, not at all. Do you use studio flash equipment?
i know that is different metering but todays cameras are advance cameras. so these days is this an essential tool
No
and is good choice to bought it?
Definitely not.

For someone who knows what it will do and needs one for specific purposes it's another matter.

--
Albert
(The one in France)
There is no such thing as a professional camera.
A 'pro' or 'professional' photographer is someone who earns money from photography. It is not some sort of measure of quality or expertise.
Cameras don't get paid.
hello)

Thank you for answering me. Yes your write. was mistake not to asked. but i see some videos and some reviews explaing that is great tool etc and i convinced to buy it. But later i understand that this videos maybe are some years back so there are a meaning why they find this tool amazing)
Early meters did not have "flash" capability, (there were separate and specialized "flash" meters for that purpose).

The early meters only had "reflected" and "incident" modes.

The early meters also only viewed a LARGE/WIDE scene and did not have "spot" capability, (again there were specialized "spot" meters for that purpose).

"Reflected" was where you pointed the camera at the SUBJECT.

"Incident" was where you pointed the light AWAY from the subject and instead at the "SOURCE", (sun or other bright light).

Using handheld meter in "reflected" mode required some SKILL because it was only accurate if the scene was "average", (compared to Kodak 18% gray-card).

An easier and faster method was "incident" mode, (pointed at light-source), and it was accurate enough because B&W film had enough Dynamic-Range to handle both dark blacks and whitest-whites.

You could still do an "incident" reading with "reflected" mode IF you metered off of a Kodak 18% GRAY card held in front of camera and lit by the "source", (you would have pointed the meter at in "incident" mode). Indeed many/MOST photographers then carried (18%) gray-cards to "meter" off of, (because you often could NOT trust your scene to be "average-18%").

Some still carried meters, (and 18% gray card), even after cameras started having in-camera metering, (because OLD photographers don't like to change -- as evidenced by there current disdain of OVF and adherence to dSLR even when MirrorLess can be better/faster with todays technology).

But as they improved, (and had "spot" capability), there was less and less need for that.

And now even less with "MirrorLess" because you can, (for the first time), now see your image before you shoot and with EVF have a direct visual-feedback when you make adjustments/corrections.

And as mentioned MirrorLess now also have (before shooting) "histogram" and "zebras" (red-box), indication of overexposure/blowing.

Thus .... your best "tool" indeed used to be a hand-held meter ... but NO MORE ... now your best "TOOLS" are in-camera. (histogram and "zebras").

Note that I had mentioned "spot" metering several times as a great tool, (for that day/time).

But "zebras" can be even MORE ACCURATE and specific to individual areas/pixels.
hello:) thank you again. The following is the answer of sailor moon. a veteran member here in dpreview . " Reflection meters, which is what the camera's built-in meter is, only give an accurate exposure if everything they measure adds up to mid-gray. If the image includes enough lighter or darker items to make the total non mid-gray then the meter reading will NOT be accurate.

Let anyone who thinks the camera's built-in meter is accurate take a photo of a white wall. The camera's meter will see all that white and reduce the exposure enough that the wall will come out mid-gray in the image. Do the same for a black wall and the camera meter reading will increase the exposure so that the black wall will also come out mid-gray.

Incident meters, which is what a flash meter is, measure the amount of light falling on the subject. This means you get the same reading from a white wall or a black wall and if you expose at the meter reading the image will show the white wall as white and the black wall as black.

Whether you are in a studio or out in a field an incident meter used correctly (aimed at the main light source) will give you an accurate reading for your exposure. A reflection meter like that built into the camera will be wrong more than it is right."
WHY are you sending "me" this ???

Are you trying to teach "me" something you don't think I know ???

I was using hand-held meters since 1959, (a Weston Master that was the "pro" meter at that time). Later I used a Gossen Luna-Pro which was also the most-professional and sensitive enough to meter moon-light. And I have had the Sekonic 385, (used for "flash" in studio).

So I know meters, their advantages, their limitations, and when/how to use them.

And what he said was true, as far as it goes, and indeed was the reason I stated that many photographers carried (18%) GRAY-CARDS so they could do and "incident" type reading in "reflected" mode.

But that does NOT change the FACT that an incident type reading will NOT ALWAYS WORK (best). It ONLY works when the scene is still fairly average without extreme (absorbent) blacks and (shiny-reflective) whites, (OR LIGHT SOURCES).

There will always be times when YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR HEAD & EXPERIENCE. A "meter" is not always the end-all exposure.

And the FACT is that the "tools" in todays cameras, (histogram & "zebras" like your red-box), can be better and give YOU more information for YOU to make the correct/best decision.

The poster above mentioned "matrix" type metering which indeed is also pretty smart and will give the best exposure many/most times. BUT ... even with "matrix" ... there are times when YOU must make a, (EC or manual), correction.

Spot metering can also be beneficial, (WHEN YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT PROPERLY).

Instead of you bragging about your new "meter", you SHOULD be asking questions about HOW to meter and use the, (now better), TOOLS in your camera to make the best decisions.

An "incident" reading is NOT always best, (today), albeit it may have been back in B&W days and even wide dynamic-range color, (but not "slides" nor todays digital which has less dynamic range than older B&W).

You also have the advantage today of Post-Processing (PP), so you can take advantage of ETTR, (Expose To The Right), to get a better IQ image with LESS NOISE than if you had relied on "incident" metering.

You seem to be arguing with almost everyone here that simply says you DON'T NEED A METER "today", the "tools" (and PP), can be much better.

To quote your OP question ... "NO" a meter is not "essential" TODAY !!!

You are better off using the "tools" in TODAY's cameras, (todays cameras are not your grandpa's cameras).

Note that I am not saying you always (100%) trust your camera, but you can use its "tools" to get a better exposure with a non-average scene than a, (reflected or incident), meter trusted 100%.

But have fun and do whatever you like.
Hello:) thank you for you answer:) of course i dont try to teach you anything. but i understand that some people find the meter very useful and the best gadget near their camera and some people they dont need it at all. and for me is very good i speak with people like you because i am learing each time:) The problem i found in my photoshoots ( thats is not a lot) i get a flat image.. portrait and background look flat. after making adjustment in photoshop or lightroom i achieved to give to the portrait more real feel. but it seems that something is wrong .look at the photo is not bad photo but what you think about her skin? and the background?

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You also should be aware that IF you had used a (incident) meter on this scene, your subject would be (much) darker.

But the "background" would be properly (lower) exposed since it is slightly "washed-out".

The POINT is that your precious new meter would NOT be the Holy-Grail always, (including this shot).

Thus a WASTE OF MONEY if you can't use it when you need it the most, (an unevenly lit scene).

BUT ... it WOULD have worked back in B&W days because B&W film had a wide enough Dynamic Range. Thus as we keep saying, meters used to be very useful as the best "tool" possible in that day/time.

But TODAY the "tools" in your (MirrorLess) camera can be much more valuable and accurate.

You will always have to "think" sometimes.
 
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I use a light meter to measure strobe lights which saves a lot of time.

A light meter can also be used to measure cumulative light, etc.. There are a lot of situations where a light meter can be very beneficial to many people but not everyone. You just have to ascertain whether or not a light meter makes life notably easier for you in your particular photography pursuits. For me, it's well worth it, especially when working with clients.

For those slow in math, a light meter can give you instant answers to "what if" camera settings just by twirling a dial, giving you fast answers to multiple questions before you even pick up the camera.

Light meters = Great for some. Not great for everyone.
 
I use a light meter to measure strobe lights which saves a lot of time.

A light meter can also be used to measure cumulative light, etc.. There are a lot of situations where a light meter can be very beneficial to many people but not everyone. You just have to ascertain whether or not a light meter makes life notably easier for you in your particular photography pursuits. For me, it's well worth it, especially when working with clients.

For those slow in math, a light meter can give you instant answers to "what if" camera settings just by twirling a dial, giving you fast answers to multiple questions before you even pick up the camera.

Light meters = Great for some. Not great for everyone.
 
i am an amateur photographer . i mostly like to shoot portraits indoor and outdoor.

I just ordered a light meter sekonic 308 .
Why? Shouldn't you have asked this question before buying.
How this light meter can help in general photography vs the cameras built in metering.
For most shooting, not at all. Do you use studio flash equipment?
i know that is different metering but todays cameras are advance cameras. so these days is this an essential tool
No
and is good choice to bought it?
Definitely not.

For someone who knows what it will do and needs one for specific purposes it's another matter.

--
Albert
(The one in France)
There is no such thing as a professional camera.
A 'pro' or 'professional' photographer is someone who earns money from photography. It is not some sort of measure of quality or expertise.
Cameras don't get paid.
hello)

Thank you for answering me. Yes your write. was mistake not to asked. but i see some videos and some reviews explaing that is great tool etc and i convinced to buy it. But later i understand that this videos maybe are some years back so there are a meaning why they find this tool amazing)
Early meters did not have "flash" capability, (there were separate and specialized "flash" meters for that purpose).

The early meters only had "reflected" and "incident" modes.

The early meters also only viewed a LARGE/WIDE scene and did not have "spot" capability, (again there were specialized "spot" meters for that purpose).

"Reflected" was where you pointed the camera at the SUBJECT.

"Incident" was where you pointed the light AWAY from the subject and instead at the "SOURCE", (sun or other bright light).

Using handheld meter in "reflected" mode required some SKILL because it was only accurate if the scene was "average", (compared to Kodak 18% gray-card).

An easier and faster method was "incident" mode, (pointed at light-source), and it was accurate enough because B&W film had enough Dynamic-Range to handle both dark blacks and whitest-whites.

You could still do an "incident" reading with "reflected" mode IF you metered off of a Kodak 18% GRAY card held in front of camera and lit by the "source", (you would have pointed the meter at in "incident" mode). Indeed many/MOST photographers then carried (18%) gray-cards to "meter" off of, (because you often could NOT trust your scene to be "average-18%").

Some still carried meters, (and 18% gray card), even after cameras started having in-camera metering, (because OLD photographers don't like to change -- as evidenced by there current disdain of OVF and adherence to dSLR even when MirrorLess can be better/faster with todays technology).

But as they improved, (and had "spot" capability), there was less and less need for that.

And now even less with "MirrorLess" because you can, (for the first time), now see your image before you shoot and with EVF have a direct visual-feedback when you make adjustments/corrections.

And as mentioned MirrorLess now also have (before shooting) "histogram" and "zebras" (red-box), indication of overexposure/blowing.

Thus .... your best "tool" indeed used to be a hand-held meter ... but NO MORE ... now your best "TOOLS" are in-camera. (histogram and "zebras").

Note that I had mentioned "spot" metering several times as a great tool, (for that day/time).

But "zebras" can be even MORE ACCURATE and specific to individual areas/pixels.
hello:) thank you again. The following is the answer of sailor moon. a veteran member here in dpreview . " Reflection meters, which is what the camera's built-in meter is, only give an accurate exposure if everything they measure adds up to mid-gray. If the image includes enough lighter or darker items to make the total non mid-gray then the meter reading will NOT be accurate.

Let anyone who thinks the camera's built-in meter is accurate take a photo of a white wall. The camera's meter will see all that white and reduce the exposure enough that the wall will come out mid-gray in the image. Do the same for a black wall and the camera meter reading will increase the exposure so that the black wall will also come out mid-gray.

Incident meters, which is what a flash meter is, measure the amount of light falling on the subject. This means you get the same reading from a white wall or a black wall and if you expose at the meter reading the image will show the white wall as white and the black wall as black.

Whether you are in a studio or out in a field an incident meter used correctly (aimed at the main light source) will give you an accurate reading for your exposure. A reflection meter like that built into the camera will be wrong more than it is right."
WHY are you sending "me" this ???

Are you trying to teach "me" something you don't think I know ???

I was using hand-held meters since 1959, (a Weston Master that was the "pro" meter at that time). Later I used a Gossen Luna-Pro which was also the most-professional and sensitive enough to meter moon-light. And I have had the Sekonic 385, (used for "flash" in studio).

So I know meters, their advantages, their limitations, and when/how to use them.

And what he said was true, as far as it goes, and indeed was the reason I stated that many photographers carried (18%) GRAY-CARDS so they could do and "incident" type reading in "reflected" mode.

But that does NOT change the FACT that an incident type reading will NOT ALWAYS WORK (best). It ONLY works when the scene is still fairly average without extreme (absorbent) blacks and (shiny-reflective) whites, (OR LIGHT SOURCES).

There will always be times when YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR HEAD & EXPERIENCE. A "meter" is not always the end-all exposure.

And the FACT is that the "tools" in todays cameras, (histogram & "zebras" like your red-box), can be better and give YOU more information for YOU to make the correct/best decision.

The poster above mentioned "matrix" type metering which indeed is also pretty smart and will give the best exposure many/most times. BUT ... even with "matrix" ... there are times when YOU must make a, (EC or manual), correction.

Spot metering can also be beneficial, (WHEN YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT PROPERLY).

Instead of you bragging about your new "meter", you SHOULD be asking questions about HOW to meter and use the, (now better), TOOLS in your camera to make the best decisions.

An "incident" reading is NOT always best, (today), albeit it may have been back in B&W days and even wide dynamic-range color, (but not "slides" nor todays digital which has less dynamic range than older B&W).

You also have the advantage today of Post-Processing (PP), so you can take advantage of ETTR, (Expose To The Right), to get a better IQ image with LESS NOISE than if you had relied on "incident" metering.

You seem to be arguing with almost everyone here that simply says you DON'T NEED A METER "today", the "tools" (and PP), can be much better.

To quote your OP question ... "NO" a meter is not "essential" TODAY !!!

You are better off using the "tools" in TODAY's cameras, (todays cameras are not your grandpa's cameras).

Note that I am not saying you always (100%) trust your camera, but you can use its "tools" to get a better exposure with a non-average scene than a, (reflected or incident), meter trusted 100%.

But have fun and do whatever you like.
Hello:) thank you for you answer:) of course i dont try to teach you anything. but i understand that some people find the meter very useful and the best gadget near their camera and some people they dont need it at all. and for me is very good i speak with people like you because i am learing each time:) The problem i found in my photoshoots ( thats is not a lot) i get a flat image.. portrait and background look flat. after making adjustment in photoshop or lightroom i achieved to give to the portrait more real feel. but it seems that something is wrong .look at the photo is not bad photo but what you think about her skin? and the background?

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Hi Andreas,

Surveying the answers you've been getting, I think that your question has stirred up the pot of mystery, misinformation and mistakes surrounding 'exposure'. It's not surprising people get very confused when so many of the 'experts' are confused. It's not hard to get confused because almost every single photographic web site will misinform you about exposure and exposure management.

First, a simple confusion that will creates further confusion. Most photographers confuse 'exposure' with the brightness of the output image. It isn't. 'Exposure' is the amount of light energy (strictly density not amount - but the difference doesn't matter so long as you're not comparing different sensor sizes) impinging on the sensor. This confusion arises because most photographers have learned to control the output image brightness by adjusting the energy impinging on the sensor, so much so that they think that's all 'exposure' is about. Frankly, that's a mug's game. It was even in film days if you did your own processing, even more so in digital where processing is so much more accessible.

Why is it a mug's game? Well, it involves you having to be very precise about how you set exposure without the tools to do so. So, if you use ISO 100, for instance, that means that you need to get the exposure of an 18% grey patch in your scene to be 0.1 lux seconds at the sensor (a bit technical, I know, but that is literally what 'ISO 100' means). You use an exposure meter to help you, but your meter has absolutely no way of knowing what in the scene is 18% grey so setting whatever it is to produce the required 0.1 lux seconds is guesswork. Spot metering can help, because you can put the spot on a patch that you think should be 18% grey, if you like, giving the meter a strong hint. Otherwise, modern meters use all sorts of heuristics to try to recognise common scenes and work out what the overall exposure should be so that 18% grey patches get 0.1 lux seconds. The outcome of all this is that 'nailing exposure' has become a black art. People can fill threads like this giving all kinds of circular 'wisdom' without ever telling you how to do it.

What's a more sensible way of doing it? Use processing to get the right output brightness rather than exposure. It means that you need to shoot in raw, but that's what raw is all about. Now you adjust exposure to make sure that you capture the maximum amount of information about the scene. That really just means cranking up the exposure as much as you can within your constraints of shake and DoF until just before you clip the highlights. This is, in fact, what 'ETTR' is all about. Here the JPEG histogram is serving as a highlight meter - it's not perfect but it works.

Even if you can't be bothered with that last bit of optimisation, I would recommend forgetting about 'nailing' exposure. As I said, it's a mug's game. Shoot in raw, use processing to get the image as you want and then just brag on web forums about how brilliant you are 'nailing' exposure. They'll never know that you tweaked the brightness at your leisure with the help of a nice big computer screen.

--
Bob.
DARK IN HERE, ISN'T IT?
 
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is in this very recent YouTube link. From Graham Houghton.

^^^

This. You've already ordered the meter. Good. Learn to use it, understand how light works. At the end of the day, you'll be much better for it. If you're standing people in place for portraits--whether indoors or outdoors, using strobes or existing light--using an incident light meter, if you take the time to learn how to use it, is going to be faster and better than chimping your LCD.

The notion that a camera's internal reflected light metering has rendered the light meter obsolete is absurd.

That being said, there are many people who have gotten quite good at post production skills needed to eke out every last quality of a raw file. I have because I've spent years doing just that. It's necessary when doing impromptu, run and gun, or street type photography. Also, when it comes to landscape, since I've been doing it for so long, it's easier for me to look at it, make my settings accordingly, bracket, and deal with it in post production.

However, when doing portraiture (the OP's situation), standing people in a spot and taking photos of them, using an incident meter to measure light falling on them and using it correctly is almost ALWAYS going to result in better metering and will almost ALWAYS result in substantially less needed post production time. The closer you come to getting it right in camera, the less time spent in messing with exposure, shadows, highlights, etc in post production. That is a good thing.

This is a good rundown of the benefits of using a light meter.
 
I use a light meter to measure strobe lights which saves a lot of time.
Yes. Also, even when not using strobes, if one knows how to use it, for static portraits, it's going to save a lot of time as well. Plus, a handheld incident metering is going to, almost always, give a better result than a camera's reflective metering.
 
is in this very recent YouTube link. From Graham Houghton.

^^^

This. You've already ordered the meter. Good. Learn to use it, understand how light works. At the end of the day, you'll be much better for it. If you're standing people in place for portraits--whether indoors or outdoors, using strobes or existing light--using an incident light meter, if you take the time to learn how to use it, is going to be faster and better than chimping your LCD.

The notion that a camera's internal reflected light metering has rendered the light meter obsolete is absurd.

That being said, there are many people who have gotten quite good at post production skills needed to eke out every last quality of a raw file. I have because I've spent years doing just that. It's necessary when doing impromptu, run and gun, or street type photography. Also, when it comes to landscape, since I've been doing it for so long, it's easier for me to look at it, make my settings accordingly, bracket, and deal with it in post production.

However, when doing portraiture (the OP's situation), standing people in a spot and taking photos of them, using an incident meter to measure light falling on them and using it correctly is almost ALWAYS going to result in better metering and will almost ALWAYS result in substantially less needed post production time. The closer you come to getting it right in camera, the less time spent in messing with exposure, shadows, highlights, etc in post production. That is a good thing.

This is a good rundown of the benefits of using a light meter.
A lot depends on your goal.

Is your goal reducing production time or maximizing quality?

With today's modern cameras, there are many situations where one does not absolutely need to maximize quality. Anything close will be more than good enough. In these situations a meter can be a useful tool in getting an in-camera exposure that reduces post processing time.

However, if you are in a difficult or challenging situation, you may need to get every last bit of quality out the camera that you can. In such a case, the in-camera histogram might be more useful that an external meter.

A lot depends on the needs of the situation and your personal preferences. Some people are better with meters and prefer working with them. Some people are better with the in-camera metering and prefer that.
 
Is your goal reducing production time or maximizing quality?
If in a position to use a handheld incident meter, it will result in both. Maximizing in camera quality results in less post production time. Knowing how to use a meter, in many circumstances, is going to be faster than snapping, chimping, adjusting, snapping, chimping some more, etc. Especially if, for example, you're in a bright daylight environment. Squinting at a tiny LCD in the bright sun sucks.

You're right in that it depends on personal preferences and the situation. For example, for me, running around an event photographing various people doing their thing, or, say, street photography, metering every shot with a handheld is not feasible. Knowing how to utilize the in camera metering and using post production chops is absolutely the way to go.

However, vis a vis the original OP, for most portraiture, indoor, outdoor, strobed or naturally lit; positioning people to stand while photographing them, knowledgeable use of a handheld incident meter is almost always going to be superior to using a camera's reflective meter. And it will be quicker. No matter how advanced the camera's "tools" are.
 
Is your goal reducing production time or maximizing quality?
If in a position to use a handheld incident meter, it will result in both.
Not necessarily. To minimize post processing time, you want to get the brightness correct in-camera. This allows an automated workflow on the back-end, or even the use of camera-produced JPEGs. With most modern digital cameras, this can give you excellent quality, but not necessarily the best quality the camera is capable of.

If the scene does not have high dynamic range, you can get better quality by boosting the exposure. This increases the signal, and reduces the signal to noise ratio. If you use the default processing, your results will probably look too bright. However, of you use custom processing, your results will have the proper brightness, and will have slightly higher quality.

If your image has a very large dynamic range, you may need to preserve the highlights by reducing exposure, and then raising the brightness in post production.

These fine decisions are difficult to make with an external meter, as it is not always obvious where you should be spot metering, or how the spot meter relates to maxed out pixels. For instance, if your camera is set to f/5.6, how bright a spot reading can something give before you start to blow the highlights?

Maximizing in camera quality results in less post production time.
Strangely this isn't true. The exposure that produced the absolute maximum quality typically will require post processing.

However, if you are exposing for the JPEG image, then you can get a very high quality image with minimal or no post processing. In many situations, this results in quality that is more than good enough, and results in a quick workflow.

Obviously, if the exposure is way off, then post processing may be difficult as you need to compensate for mistakes made in-camera.

However, if you absolutely want the best possible quality (and most situations don't call for this), then your exposure will likely require post processing.

Knowing how to use a meter, in many circumstances, is going to be faster than snapping, chimping, adjusting, snapping, chimping some more, etc. Especially if, for example, you're in a bright daylight environment. Squinting at a tiny LCD in the bright sun sucks.
If those are the only two choices than an external meter might be a better choice.

Many people have the option of using the in-camera meter. Many find this easier and more reliable than an external meter. Shooting with the internal meter saves the metering step. A quick glance at the histogram and a check for blinkies tells you if you need exposure compensation. It is not a slow nor a crazy workflow.

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However, vis a vis the original OP, for most portraiture, indoor, outdoor, strobed or naturally lit; positioning people to stand while photographing them, knowledgeable use of a handheld incident meter is almost always going to be superior to using a camera's reflective meter. And it will be quicker. No matter how advanced the camera's "tools" are.
Maybe, maybe not. Whether you are using an external meter or the camera's meter, the goal is to get the right amount of light on the sensor. The in-camera meter is in an excellent position to do that.

Remember, if you are shooting a very bright white wall, or a dark back wall, you will get a better quality image by letting the sensor think it is mid-gray, and then adjusting the brightness in post. If you base your exposure on an incident light meter, you may end up with a blown out white wall with no detail, or a pure black dark wall with no detail.

Remember, many photographers are trying to capture what the scene looks like, not what it actually is.
 
Is your goal reducing production time or maximizing quality?
If in a position to use a handheld incident meter, it will result in both.
Not necessarily. To minimize post processing time, you want to get the brightness correct in-camera. This allows an automated workflow on the back-end, or even the use of camera-produced JPEGs. With most modern digital cameras, this can give you excellent quality, but not necessarily the best quality the camera is capable of.
It's quite easy to get an automated workflow with shot to shot exposure variation. Your processing tools have available much more information about the scene than your exposure meter ever did, and it's very easy for them to make at least as good a determination about a mostly useable lightness. Most raw toolchains have an automatic 'exposure' (of course misnamed) function. So, as soon as you go to a raw workflow, 'getting the brightness correct in camera' (whatever you mean by that) doesn't save any time in processing.
If the scene does not have high dynamic range, you can get better quality by boosting the exposure.
You always get 'better quality' by having the exposure as large as you can. Your pictorial choice on what dictates 'as large as you can'. If you think the highlights are expendable then you can clip them.
 
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If the scene does not have high dynamic range, you can get better quality by boosting the exposure.
You always get 'better quality' by having the exposure as large as you can. Your pictorial choice on what dictates 'as large as you can'. If you think the highlights are expendable then you can clip them.
Yes. I was thinking of a scene with high dynamic range where you didn't want to lose the highlights. This is not always the case.

 
Is your goal reducing production time or maximizing quality?
If in a position to use a handheld incident meter, it will result in both.
Not necessarily. To minimize post processing time, you want to get the brightness correct in-camera.
This is incorrect. It depends on the shot you're after. If you know the shot you're after--which is normally the case in portraiture--and you know enough about light to be able to work with it, and how to use an incident meter. It will result in getting the shot right in camera, thus minimizing the need for post production work. Image quality is subjective for the most part. Imagine what you want, use the light to create it. If the image matches what your mind's eye saw, that would be a quality image.
Maximizing in camera quality results in less post production time.
Strangely this isn't true. The exposure that produced the absolute maximum quality typically will require post processing.
Again, "quality" is subjective. When using a handheld incident meter--and knowing the shot you want--many if not most of the resulting pics need very little if any post processing with the exception of, say, some skin smoothing, cropping, things like that. Abbreviated workflow: Meter off the model > set my camera settings > snap the model holding a color chart > take a bunch of pics to my heart's desire. Post processing: use the pic of the model holding the color chart to sync white balance to all the pics from that session. Crop the keepers if I feel it's needed (rarely) > off to PS for skin smoothing if it's needed and any other artistic embellishments. Done. Rarely any tweaking of shadows, highlights, exposure or color. I'm the kind of person who actually likes tweaking my photos in post production. Often times I'm disappointed at the lack of tweaking needed in portrait shots.
Knowing how to use a meter, in many circumstances, is going to be faster than snapping, chimping, adjusting, snapping, chimping some more, etc. Especially if, for example, you're in a bright daylight environment. Squinting at a tiny LCD in the bright sun sucks.
If those are the only two choices than an external meter might be a better choice.

Many people have the option of using the in-camera meter. Many find this easier and more reliable than an external meter. Shooting with the internal meter saves the metering step. A quick glance at the histogram and a check for blinkies tells you if you need exposure compensation. It is not a slow nor a crazy workflow.
Sure, it may be a better choice for some. That's called winging it: getting as much quality data into the file as possible, dealing with it in post production. There's nothing wrong with that. I do it all the time. Hell, when shooting landscapes I bracket all the time and then merge as needed in post production, etc.

But I don't do it for portraiture (formal people pics--stand here while I take your pic). The OP specifically mentioned portraits. When I'm taking portraits, I do glance at the LCD the first couple of shots to see if the overall image more or less resembles what I had in mind; shadows, contrast, etc. After that I don't look at it all. Many of the shots, if I were a histogram chimper, would make me cringe because the histogram is "technically" way out of whack; piled up on one side or the other--or both--but not clipping. So what? My lighting and the shot are what I saw in my head before hand.
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However, vis a vis the original OP, for most portraiture, indoor, outdoor, strobed or naturally lit; positioning people to stand while photographing them, knowledgeable use of a handheld incident meter is almost always going to be superior to using a camera's reflective meter. And it will be quicker. No matter how advanced the camera's "tools" are.
Maybe, maybe not. Whether you are using an external meter or the camera's meter, the goal is to get the right amount of light on the sensor. The in-camera meter is in an excellent position to do that.
In portraiture, for me anyway, the goal is to get the shot as I envision it. Envision it, create it, shoot it. The in camera meter is in an excellent position to give you an image that is a nice average of everything. The handheld incident meter and an understanding of how light works is a nice way of getting the shot as you envisioned it inside of your camera.
Remember, if you are shooting a very bright white wall, or a dark back wall, you will get a better quality image by letting the sensor think it is mid-gray, and then adjusting the brightness in post. If you base your exposure on an incident light meter, you may end up with a blown out white wall with no detail, or a pure black dark wall with no detail.
The notion that capturing a white or black wall as mid gray and fixing it in post is best is, frankly, goofy in my opinion. Again, I'm talking portraiture. I used to do just that. Then I learned how to use my handheld meter and manipulate my light as needed (still learning as it's always a learning process) and/or move the subject to get the background I want. Making those needed adjustments takes a few moments. Using post production to create a bg over tens if not hundreds of images is far more time consuming and difficult. Well, unless you're simply doing a global adjustment which I can't imagine that being a viable option. Not for me anyway. You want that white wall? Bump up brightness, lose some detail in the subject. Or, use layers to separate the bg from the model, go through that whole thing. No, thanks.

At the end of the day, in camera metering has a place, absolutely. But a lot of people actually create more work for themselves and limit themselves in many respects by thinking it is the end all be all.

Again, the notion that in camera metering and the "tools" built within the camera have rendered knowledgeable use of a handheld incident meter obsolete is absurd.
 
Is your goal reducing production time or maximizing quality?
If in a position to use a handheld incident meter, it will result in both.
Not necessarily. To minimize post processing time, you want to get the brightness correct in-camera.
This is incorrect. It depends on the shot you're after. If you know the shot you're after--which is normally the case in portraiture--and you know enough about light to be able to work with it, and how to use an incident meter. It will result in getting the shot right in camera, thus minimizing the need for post production work. Image quality is subjective for the most part. Imagine what you want, use the light to create it. If the image matches what your mind's eye saw, that would be a quality image.
The exposure differences we are talking about affect noise levels, blown highlights, a detail lost in shadows. In the context of this discussion, these are the issues I am referring to when I talk about "Image Quality".

As to what brightness level a skin tone should be in a JPEG, that's partially an artistic question. As to minimizing noise level in the image, that's an engineering issue we can measure.

It's also an artistic question as to whether or not we want to maintain details in the shadows and highlights. However, if we do want to retain those details, we can say that we have higher "image quality" if we have retained those details, and if we have minimized image noise.

Artistically, we may actually want noise in the image, and/or blown out highlights. While such an image may be wonderful and amazing, it may not score highly with the narrow definition of "image quality" we are using here.
Maximizing in camera quality results in less post production time.
Strangely this isn't true. The exposure that produced the absolute maximum quality typically will require post processing.
Again, "quality" is subjective. When using a handheld incident meter--and knowing the shot you want--many if not most of the resulting pics need very little if any post processing with the exception of, say, some skin smoothing, cropping, things like that. Abbreviated workflow: Meter off the model > set my camera settings > snap the model holding a color chart > take a bunch of pics to my heart's desire. Post processing: use the pic of the model holding the color chart to sync white balance to all the pics from that session. Crop the keepers if I feel it's needed (rarely) > off to PS for skin smoothing if it's needed and any other artistic embellishments. Done. Rarely any tweaking of shadows, highlights, exposure or color. I'm the kind of person who actually likes tweaking my photos in post production. Often times I'm disappointed at the lack of tweaking needed in portrait shots.
For the purposes of this discussion, Image Quality refers to maintaining details while minimizing noise.
Knowing how to use a meter, in many circumstances, is going to be faster than snapping, chimping, adjusting, snapping, chimping some more, etc. Especially if, for example, you're in a bright daylight environment. Squinting at a tiny LCD in the bright sun sucks.
If those are the only two choices than an external meter might be a better choice.

Many people have the option of using the in-camera meter. Many find this easier and more reliable than an external meter. Shooting with the internal meter saves the metering step. A quick glance at the histogram and a check for blinkies tells you if you need exposure compensation. It is not a slow nor a crazy workflow.
Sure, it may be a better choice for some. That's called winging it: getting as much quality data into the file as possible, dealing with it in post production. There's nothing wrong with that. I do it all the time. Hell, when shooting landscapes I bracket all the time and then merge as needed in post production, etc.

But I don't do it for portraiture (formal people pics--stand here while I take your pic). The OP specifically mentioned portraits. When I'm taking portraits, I do glance at the LCD the first couple of shots to see if the overall image more or less resembles what I had in mind; shadows, contrast, etc. After that I don't look at it all. Many of the shots, if I were a histogram chimper, would make me cringe because the histogram is "technically" way out of whack; piled up on one side or the other--or both--but not clipping. So what? My lighting and the shot are what I saw in my head before hand.
Your method certain works, and it can produce excellent quality images. However, it may not produce the minimal noise levels, and it may result in loss of shadow or highlight detail.

Assume that we take two portraits of a model standing in a studio with an open window behind her. The model only lit by constant interior light.

We take two photos. One at noon, where the exterior is illuminated by bright sunlight, and one at night, with the exterior illuminated by moonlight.

What should the exposure be? More importantly, as the model is the important part of the image, should the exposure be the same for both, or should the two images have different exposures?

Let's suppose we meter off the model, and use that. We can process both images with the same parameters, and we will get prints where the model looks good, but the window is either all white or all back. The problem is that we have lost the background details.

However, we can use a lower exposure for the daytime exposure, this will help us retain some of the sunlit details in the window. We can use a higher exposure for the nighttime shot. This can help us retain some of the details of the moonlight exterior, without blowing out the details of the model.

The important point is that the mapping of the model's skin tone to numeric values should nor be fixed. It should vary depending on the needs of the image.

When the image is processed, the model's skin tones can be adjusted to the level we want, and the scene outside the window can be adjusted as well. This can be done manually, or through various automated processes.

If your goal is to maximize the useful detail captured, then you want to maximize exposure without blowing out important highlight details. This is much easier to do with the in-camea meter/histogram than with an external meter.

If you want to regularize the values in the raw file (i.e. an 18% skin tone should always give the same values), then you may have a simplified workflow, but you are giving up some quality.

Let me repeat, that for many images the quality difference between the two methods is small. Modern cameras are so good, that you may not need to squeeze the last drop of quality out of them.
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However, vis a vis the original OP, for most portraiture, indoor, outdoor, strobed or naturally lit; positioning people to stand while photographing them, knowledgeable use of a handheld incident meter is almost always going to be superior to using a camera's reflective meter. And it will be quicker. No matter how advanced the camera's "tools" are.
Maybe, maybe not. Whether you are using an external meter or the camera's meter, the goal is to get the right amount of light on the sensor. The in-camera meter is in an excellent position to do that.
In portraiture, for me anyway, the goal is to get the shot as I envision it. Envision it, create it, shoot it. The in camera meter is in an excellent position to give you an image that is a nice average of everything. The handheld incident meter and an understanding of how light works is a nice way of getting the shot as you envisioned it inside of your camera.
The camera does not record the light falling on the subject. The camera records the light reflecting off the subject to the camera.

When you measure incident light, you need to make assumptions as to how that light will reflect. If the too much light reflects, then you blow out highlight detail. If not enough light reflects, then you will lose shadow detail.
Remember, if you are shooting a very bright white wall, or a dark back wall, you will get a better quality image by letting the sensor think it is mid-gray, and then adjusting the brightness in post. If you base your exposure on an incident light meter, you may end up with a blown out white wall with no detail, or a pure black dark wall with no detail.
The notion that capturing a white or black wall as mid gray and fixing it in post is best is, frankly, goofy in my opinion. Again, I'm talking portraiture. I used to do just that. Then I learned how to use my handheld meter and manipulate my light as needed (still learning as it's always a learning process) and/or move the subject to get the background I want. Making those needed adjustments takes a few moments. Using post production to create a bg over tens if not hundreds of images is far more time consuming and difficult. Well, unless you're simply doing a global adjustment which I can't imagine that being a viable option. Not for me anyway. You want that white wall? Bump up brightness, lose some detail in the subject. Or, use layers to separate the bg from the model, go through that whole thing. No, thanks.
It's only "goofy" if you want to match a particular work flow, and don't mind giving up a little quality.

Let's go back to shooting a very white wall. Use an incident light meter, and you might get blown out highlights. Use in-camera metering/histogram, and you retain detail.

Open the raw file in a program that auto-adjusts brightness, and both give you an 18% wall. However the incident light meter version has fewer details.

Open the raw file in a program that allows you to adjust the brightness, and both give a white wall, but the in-camera/histogram metered one has more details.
At the end of the day, in camera metering has a place, absolutely. But a lot of people actually create more work for themselves and limit themselves in many respects by thinking it is the end all be all.
I am tempted to say the same thing about external light meters.
Again, the notion that in camera metering and the "tools" built within the camera have rendered knowledgeable use of a handheld incident meter obsolete is absurd.
I did not say that incident meters were obsolete. What I said is that they are not required for most types of high end photography.

There are many situations where one can use either incident meters or in-camera metering. It's a matter of personal choice. However, in-camera metering and tools have reached a point, where there are very few situations where incident meters are needed.
 

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