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The future of the big bodied DSLRs when traveling.
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Rick Knepper
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Your sample is too small to make such a claim. By the way, what do you think this conversation is about?
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Moti
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Rick Knepper
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Tuonov2
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Samoa Air introduces 'XL class' for larger passengers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/Samoa-Air-introduces-XL-class-for-larger-passengers/
... At just around $2000
007peter
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There are 2 types of people on vacations:
- 1. Average Joe - to whom the primary goal of vacation is Enjoy-the-Moment.
- 2. Photo-Geeks - vacation is the prime Photo-Opportunity they been waiting for to test out their gear and to justify their $ expense.
- Superior IQ (dynamic range, AWB, etc...)
- Superior AF
- Superior Low-Light
- Preserve Smartphone Battery (prolong picture taking is a big battery drain on any smartphone) using dedicated camera saved my battery life.
- To Group 1 = DEAD. Don't become a Creepy Uncles with a DSLR. (gross!)
- To Group 2 = Alive & Well
You're thinking like a traditional old man. Shooting sports is a non-issue for most of us because we simply shoot VIDEO in any action shoot. Heck, that is why we buy GO PRO. The world has become very Video-Centric and selfie is so last year. Just about everyone I know is Vlogging now. Today, I won't buy any camera without a Selfie / Vlogging screen.
What I'm trying to say is that:
Smartphone don't need to catch up to FF
Smartphone don't need to shoot 7fps instill, when people are making video
Smarphone (in its current low IQ states) has already decimated camera market. Going forward, rapid IQ improvment will only removed the NEED for a dedicate camera.
Those of us who WANT a camera buy it because we WANT it, not becasue we NEED it. For majority of Joe 6-pack, dedicated camera is as popular as a VHS Tape player.
Rick Knepper
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Tuonov2
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So, the thread title, as written by the op is irrelevant? Mmmmmm ok.
So, your observations hold more value than mine? Arrogant much?
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no one is really interested in your tourist shots .
you send a link to your friends and family and they probably dont even bother to look .
so use your cell phone because no one actually cares ,
sportyaccordy
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No way. The camera on an Iphone 6 costs $12. Even if you apply their profit margin, $12x300%x5= $180. And if any non-Apple brand comes out with such a design consumers would basically pay cost.... At just around $2000
If a phonemaker can do this and market it well (as Apple has done with the 7 Plus) that's going to be a big bite taken out of the bottom of the imaging market. A FF/MF kit + 1"-MFT F/2 equivalent array smartphone (yep, the array's aperture scales too with all the DoF control implications therein) is a good setup for a lot of people.
My thought too.
Switching to mirrorless is a step towards using cellphones for photography? hmmm, I thought your first comment showed you were pretty smart, looks like you have hit a ceiling.
Atotally nonsensical statement, I'm afraid.
And, perhaps, just a touch of arrogance. "The collective herd" indeed.
chipmaster
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I went recently from no traveling to living 80+ on the road and doing too many miles to count. I noodled bringing my V1 or even my D810 once to new places, but have found for why I'm shooting they add nothing over my iPhone7Plus.
I will be going on vacation in a couple weeks to somewhere that a nice camera would really add some nice memories. My decision will be V1 and two zooms.
No question my D810 and 24-70 would blow the doors of my Iphone7P or V1, but all comes down why one goes on vacation, travel, what one is looking for from the picture and the process.
As many noted in today's immediate digital gratification world, convenience and good enough is all 99% of the world wants. So the phone which is in everyone's pocket is good enough, and it snowballs as it is there, you start taking pictures where every and of everything, not somethign most would have done with their film vacation camera. The phone has changed how we share/communicate and photography.
There is clearly a place where a DSLR or high end mirrorless will always yield superior results and I find my self lugging three bodies, lens and such about 45 lbs and they do return on the weight.
10 years ago when the Reble came out and P&S and smartphones were non-existent was a once in a millennium event and Canikon as much as they try won't be able to get it to happen again. Those few years saw a spike on big cameras everywhere, but that is the past never to return.
I will be going on vacation in a couple weeks to somewhere that a nice camera would really add some nice memories. My decision will be V1 and two zooms.
No question my D810 and 24-70 would blow the doors of my Iphone7P or V1, but all comes down why one goes on vacation, travel, what one is looking for from the picture and the process.
As many noted in today's immediate digital gratification world, convenience and good enough is all 99% of the world wants. So the phone which is in everyone's pocket is good enough, and it snowballs as it is there, you start taking pictures where every and of everything, not somethign most would have done with their film vacation camera. The phone has changed how we share/communicate and photography.
There is clearly a place where a DSLR or high end mirrorless will always yield superior results and I find my self lugging three bodies, lens and such about 45 lbs and they do return on the weight.
10 years ago when the Reble came out and P&S and smartphones were non-existent was a once in a millennium event and Canikon as much as they try won't be able to get it to happen again. Those few years saw a spike on big cameras everywhere, but that is the past never to return.
CQui
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I see the big DSLR like any other technological thing, there is a time where they are for some reason the best choice, then they fall off their suppremacy and with chance become a thing for "connaisseur". Like horse drawn cart, they where the best solution for going from A to B then automobile came, first there was no chance those noisy and un reliable thing would replace it, you would never be able to travel far, it was a lot easier to find horse replacement than fuel along the way and so on, now horse drawn cart is a sport for specialists and petrol car start to be in competition with electric car, for specific use they are now better. there are many other ways now to travel, bicycles, trains...
The big DSLR have just replaced the SLR when things that evolved in the shadows of it start to emerge and gain and one or the other will probably replace it, other will stay on the side for different purpose.
Travel seems to be this specific use where there are other ways to take pictures of good enough quality for the gain of weight and time to be ready when lens need replacement... This doesn't mean that DSLR, SLR, MF, etc. when traveling are not good for peoples who like then and are ready to spend money on them or find niche travel purpose for them.
Not to talk about those that are afraid of learning again a new tool.
The big DSLR have just replaced the SLR when things that evolved in the shadows of it start to emerge and gain and one or the other will probably replace it, other will stay on the side for different purpose.
Travel seems to be this specific use where there are other ways to take pictures of good enough quality for the gain of weight and time to be ready when lens need replacement... This doesn't mean that DSLR, SLR, MF, etc. when traveling are not good for peoples who like then and are ready to spend money on them or find niche travel purpose for them.
Not to talk about those that are afraid of learning again a new tool.
Moti
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Rubbish. Show me one person with a camera that doesn't consider himself as photographer? Do you consider yourself as a photographer? I guess so bcause you seem to be a so full of yourself but then, where are your photos? Let's see them.
How long? One year? 5? 50? That means absolutely nothing. My mother has 50 years of driving experience and still can not be called true driver.
Even more rubbish. My wife is using cameras that weigh 1 lb less than the average dslr weight. It never disturbed her from getting the shots she wanted, nor did it disturbed her to be awarded as a fellow of the Royal Photography society or have her photos chosen as part of official UK art collection.
More rubbish. Every photographer, and that includes pros, do chase for tech innovation that can help them in their photography and make their lives easier and more efficient. I do it all the time and some of the technical innovations I have now, allow me to take photos that I couldn't before.
But I have my own idea about who is a true photographer and as a matter of fact, it is very simple. For me, a true photographer is judged by the quality of his photography work, no matter what gear he uses or how much his cameras weigh,
Moreover, every true photographer I know, is proud of his photography work and wouldn't miss any opportunity to show or the exhibit it.
I've been looking at your profile and was very impressed by the cameras you have listed. I would be very interested to see what one can do such fine cameras but unfortunatelly I coulnt find any photo published by you. So do you have any serious quality stuff to show us or maybe you also belong to the collective herd that is experimenting with the "hobby" as you call them?
This also doesn't mean much. Craig's List is full with people who call themselves professional photographers and yet the quality of their work doesn't even match that of an average amateur.
And last but not least, a bit of modesty never hurts. Being rude and arrogant doesn't make you a better photographer.
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dmartin92
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when I go to work or the supermarket, it's the mobile phone. But for travel, that's the DSLR.
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Franglais91
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I'm going to refer to a smartphone as a "fixed focal length camera" because that is what it is really.
A long time ago I got tired of carrying around my (film) SLR and lenses. I bought a quality pocketable camera with a fixed focal length lens (40mm - still my favourite). I had it with me all the time. Sometimes I had to be really inventive with the composition, especially when the subject was some distance away and I had to find some way of making it stand out. It really freed up my creativity.
OK but after six months I went back to the SLR. I was missing a lot of shots. In particular when travelling I prefer to be able to frame correctly and get the best shot. It costs money to go places and some things you only see once in your life. It's a shame to waste the opportunity with inadequate material.
I still have a pocketable camera - but it has a zoom lens on it.
A long time ago I got tired of carrying around my (film) SLR and lenses. I bought a quality pocketable camera with a fixed focal length lens (40mm - still my favourite). I had it with me all the time. Sometimes I had to be really inventive with the composition, especially when the subject was some distance away and I had to find some way of making it stand out. It really freed up my creativity.
OK but after six months I went back to the SLR. I was missing a lot of shots. In particular when travelling I prefer to be able to frame correctly and get the best shot. It costs money to go places and some things you only see once in your life. It's a shame to waste the opportunity with inadequate material.
I still have a pocketable camera - but it has a zoom lens on it.
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