ZS100 in my future,..comments requested, please.

That is helpful. I've had the Sony RX100 ii for a few years now and I like the camera and the quality photos it produces but I'm looking for a pocketable camera that offers greater zoom range as my Sony is only 28-100 35mm equivalent. This seems to be the only option but I will not compromise on image quality and I'm a little concerned about the high aperture values.
 
That is helpful. I've had the Sony RX100 ii for a few years now and I like the camera and the quality photos it produces but I'm looking for a pocketable camera that offers greater zoom range as my Sony is only 28-100 35mm equivalent. This seems to be the only option but I will not compromise on image quality and I'm a little concerned about the high aperture values.
 
That is helpful. I've had the Sony RX100 ii for a few years now and I like the camera and the quality photos it produces but I'm looking for a pocketable camera that offers greater zoom range as my Sony is only 28-100 35mm equivalent. This seems to be the only option but I will not compromise on image quality and I'm a little concerned about the high aperture values.
 
The RX10 mk III is an excellent camera.

But the clear benefit of the ZS110/TZ110 (aside from price) is that it's a pocketable 25-250mm camera.

The RX10 mk III is not pocketable, so there are times when you're less likely to take it with you.

W
 
That is helpful. I've had the Sony RX100 ii for a few years now and I like the camera and the quality photos it produces but I'm looking for a pocketable camera that offers greater zoom range as my Sony is only 28-100 35mm equivalent. This seems to be the only option but I will not compromise on image quality and I'm a little concerned about the high aperture values.
The RX100 will produce slightly better quality photos.

But as a compromise to a slight drop in IQ, the Panasonic ZS/TZ gives you the flexibility of a 250mm focal length.

Both are pocketable.

I've previously owned the RX100 mkIII, and IV, but couldn't live with the popup EVF or the limited 24-70mm focal length. The ZS/TZ doesn't have these limitations, and costs a lot less. It's a much better camera overall IMO.

W
 
Actually, the FZ1000 is a very solidly built camera. That polycarbonate shell is almost indestructible, and better than most metal bodies. But the RX10 iii lens is both longer and sharper. Although I really like my FZ1000, I may get an RX10 iii for an upcoming Antarctic and South Georgia expedition cruise. But I'm still torn -- I really Sony had included its new hybrid autofocus sensor in it.
 
Although I really like my FZ1000, I may get an RX10 iii for an upcoming Antarctic and South Georgia expedition cruise. But I'm still torn -- I really Sony had included its new hybrid autofocus sensor in it.
Which is why I anticipate the RX10 IV, which I expect will have that new AF system -- and who knows what else?
 
Although I really like my FZ1000, I may get an RX10 iii for an upcoming Antarctic and South Georgia expedition cruise. But I'm still torn -- I really Sony had included its new hybrid autofocus sensor in it.
Which is why I anticipate the RX10 IV, which I expect will have that new AF system -- and who knows what else?
Yes, I think it's a dead cert. It's just a question of when it will arrive. I don't think it'll be in time for my trip, which leaves me with a real dilemma.
 
Although I really like my FZ1000, I may get an RX10 iii for an upcoming Antarctic and South Georgia expedition cruise. But I'm still torn -- I really Sony had included its new hybrid autofocus sensor in it.
Which is why I anticipate the RX10 IV, which I expect will have that new AF system -- and who knows what else?
Yep, with a new $3000 price tag to go with it.

The price of the RX10 mk III is ridiculous for a 1" sensor bridge camera, and I'd expect the mk IV to be even worse.

W
 
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Actually, the FZ1000 is a very solidly built camera. That polycarbonate shell is almost indestructible, and better than most metal bodies. But the RX10 iii lens is both longer and sharper. Although I really like my FZ1000, I may get an RX10 iii for an upcoming Antarctic and South Georgia expedition cruise. But I'm still torn -- I really Sony had included its new hybrid autofocus sensor in it.
The RX10 III is pretty wildly off topic in a discussion of the ZS100. We are getting in to extremely silly money and size for a compact here.

Who would have thought a few years ago it would be Sony of all companies taking compact photography beyond the reach of the common man.
 
That is helpful. I've had the Sony RX100 ii for a few years now and I like the camera and the quality photos it produces but I'm looking for a pocketable camera that offers greater zoom range as my Sony is only 28-100 35mm equivalent. This seems to be the only option but I will not compromise on image quality and I'm a little concerned about the high aperture values.
 
Actually, the FZ1000 is a very solidly built camera. That polycarbonate shell is almost indestructible, and better than most metal bodies. But the RX10 iii lens is both longer and sharper. Although I really like my FZ1000, I may get an RX10 iii for an upcoming Antarctic and South Georgia expedition cruise. But I'm still torn -- I really Sony had included its new hybrid autofocus sensor in it.
The RX10 III is pretty wildly off topic in a discussion of the ZS100. We are getting in to extremely silly money and size for a compact here.

Who would have thought a few years ago it would be Sony of all companies taking compact photography beyond the reach of the common man.
My original posting was more about comparing the ZS100 to the Sony RX100 ii. There was no intent to make this about the RX10.

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That is helpful. I've had the Sony RX100 ii for a few years now and I like the camera and the quality photos it produces but I'm looking for a pocketable camera that offers greater zoom range as my Sony is only 28-100 35mm equivalent. This seems to be the only option but I will not compromise on image quality and I'm a little concerned about the high aperture values.

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Thanks,
Mark
http://markburgess.zenfolio.com/
That's fair enough but compromising on maximum aperture on a zoom with reach like the Lumix is unavoidable. It's just physics. At 25mm it is still f2.8 and that's not bad. Besides, for very low light you may keep your RX100II.

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Yes, I see your point, but even at equivalent perspective the RX100 is quite a bit faster. I'm not an optical engineer, but maybe that too is the result of the greater zoom ability of the Panasonic. I really can't justify keeping both cameras so will need to decide on one of the two. I suspect that with this camera I will use it mostly on the wide end but it would be nice the have the zoom for those occasional instances where I only have the pocket camera.

Funny that I'm also looking for a bridge camera for a small ship cruise to Alaska in June and I'm considering the Sony RX10 III and the Panasonic FZ1000. The Sony is in my opinion over priced but it is probably the right camera for that trip and I will probably need the greater zoom of the Sony to capture wildlife photos on the various hikes and kayaking activities that are part of the trip. I also have a Nikon D800 and an 200-500 zoom, but it is too large and heavy for those activities.

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Mark, I did a cruise on the inside passage and toured BC, Alberta and the Yukon in August. I had with me a RX100IV, the TZ110 and an A6300 with 24Z, 18-105 and 70-300. I ended up using the TZ110 for 80% of my shots and as the trip progressed, used the A6300 less of the time. My wife shot with the RX100IV most of the time. The versatility of the TZ was the key factor. I couldn't find a RX10III before the trip so chose the TZ110 given the same sensor size. The resulting images were very good indeed but it also made me want the RX10III even more.

I've since bought one and it is clear the lens is handily better than the TZ and for practical photo viewing as good or surpasses the A6300 unless you pixel peep and become my go to camera now. It would be ideal for your trip. At f2.4, it still not super fast though it great IS helps with steadying the shot. But given its size, I feel a compact will always be something I'll have. I did look at the FZ1000, but it felt less solid and the 400mm limit were what put me off despite not having seen a RX10III yet to compare. In hindsight, that apprehension has been born out. The RX10III in my view is a more solid feeling camera IMO.

That said, there are few photos I took on the trip with the TZ110 that I'm not completely satisfied with. It is very good!

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John
Thanks, its always great to get some hands on opinions. I will likely get the Rx10 III before my June trip but I'm going to give it some time to see if the price comes down. Concerning the TZ110 I'm still undecided. It would be a replacement for my Sony RX100 ii. I take the RX100 with me when I need a pocket camera. For example, we are skiing in a week and I keep the RX100 in my ski coat and get some great ski shots and mountain-top vistas.
Downhill is skiing is one of the primary reasons I bough the ZS100. I needed a camera that would handle everything from photos of powder skiing vacations to videos of race training and competition for analysis. For my needs, the long zoom range tied to great video capabilities were a major advantage of the ZS100. For video use, I can't think of anything more capable that will still fit into a pocket.
 
For my needs, the long zoom range tied to great video capabilities were a major advantage of the ZS100. For video use, I can't think of anything more capable that will still fit into a pocket.
 
The only problem with it is that it's soft between 35-70mm, and has a tendency to "halo" in high contrast areas.

W
 
The only problem with it is that it's soft between 35-70mm, and has a tendency to "halo" in high contrast areas.

W
Yes, you might be right. I imagine these are the inevitable compromises in design and cost with such pocket zooms. Overall, Panasonic have done very well and I hope other brands try their hand and making their own version. Competition in this area is most welcome.
 
Who would have thought a few years ago it would be Sony of all companies taking compact photography beyond the reach of the common man.
Pretty funny that DPR classifies the FZ1000, FZ2500 and RX10 III as "compact cameras" :-)
 
Downhill is skiing is one of the primary reasons I bough the ZS100. I needed a camera that would handle everything from photos of powder skiing vacations to videos of race training and competition for analysis. For my needs, the long zoom range tied to great video capabilities were a major advantage of the ZS100. For video use, I can't think of anything more capable that will still fit into a pocket.
I thought the style now was to wear one of those HERO things on your head for video while skiing!
 
Who would have thought a few years ago it would be Sony of all companies taking compact photography beyond the reach of the common man.
Pretty funny that DPR classifies the FZ1000, FZ2500 and RX10 III as "compact cameras" :-)
I know, they're much larger than my a6000 with a typical zoom lens.

It's also interesting how actual compact cameras have grown: my TZ100 is significantly larger than my RX100.
 
The only problem with it is that it's soft between 35-70mm, and has a tendency to "halo" in high contrast areas.

W
W, I've seen you write about being soft between 35-70 and again above 200 I think it has been. Clearly you own one and calling it as you see it and not suggesting you're wrong. Far from it, but I don't find this lens soft. Of course it isn't in prime, or better, larger zooms' league for sharpness but I think the lens does pretty well for its range and especially size. Hard to pick from my RX100IV actually.

In other words, to prospective buyers, let your own eyes judge the sharpness or otherwise and don't be deterred by a few soft reviews. This is coming from someone with a bad experience with Sony's 16-70Z and its soft sides. And with that I've suggested prospects to check the lens or buy from sellers with good return policies. Same applies here but there seem to be far fewer owners reporting wkingsie's softness issue. So I think there's a fair chance you'll get a good one.
 

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