Samsung still has product placement for NX. But why?

SpacemanUA · Dec 5, 2016

I just noticed Samsung NX1 with full loadout in "Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children". Moreover, in this dialogue "camera owner" brags with his "superb camera", and in another moment you can see something that appears to be... 300/2.8?

While filming began in August, 2014, it may happen that this product placement is just residual stress, cause the only other variant is that NX is back

Kisaha · Dec 5, 2016

They probably paid a good amount of money for product placemt+dialogue! They were serious back then, for a few months!

What system do you use these days? Did you miss NX at all?!

SpacemanUA said:
I just noticed Samsung NX1 with full loadout in "Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children". Moreover, in this dialogue "camera owner" brags with his "superb camera", and in another moment you can see something that appears to be... 300/2.8?

While filming began in August, 2014, it may happen that this product placement is just residual stress, cause the only other variant is that NX is back

kattoufcy · Dec 5, 2016

I KNEW IT!!

Just watched that movie last night! and thought the same thing! but i wasn't able to rewind it and then forgot to check! I'm glad you mentioned it!

SpacemanUA · Dec 6, 2016

Kisaha said:
They probably paid a good amount of money for product placemt+dialogue! They were serious back then, for a few months!

What system do you use these days? Did you miss NX at all?!

My way after NX was: Canon M3 -> Olympus E-M10 II -> Panasonic GX80.

And while I loved NX500 (and not-so-loved NX30

), I have to say that m4/3 cameras are far more advanced than NX. AF is great, I totally forgot that there were differences betweeb DSLRs and DSLMs in terms of that. And you're not limited to 3 lenses with fast AF, like it is on NX (45, 16-50, 50-150). It is very fast with 90% of m4/3 lenses. You can easily buy and sell used lenses and cameras, and you obviously can't do that with NX this days. I had difficulties with that even last year when I was selling my NX gear. And I just chechek my local "for sale" resources - nothing there but 18-55 and 20-50.

As for IQ - NX500 has upper hand there for sure. But the difference is not that big. Besides, modern m4/3 cameras have IBIS which is brilliant (and I underestimated it first), that helps to shoot at lower ISO. For example, I can shoot 1/15 with my 25mm lens handheld with close to 100% rate of getting sharp image. With NX30/2 I had to shoot 1/30-1/40, which makes 1 stop difference real-world. And this is more than ISO difference. In other words, you'll get similar images on m4/3 with ISO800 and NX500 on ISO1600. But the main thing that I like about IBIS is that it nulls micro-blur and micro-shake at fast shutter speed, like 1/100-1/200. I get razor sharp image literally every shot.

I like m4/3 more too. I'll choose 75/1.8 over 85/1.4. Oly is smaller, much sharper and contrasty than Samsung. Oh, and it focuses very fast while 85 is... Well, not so much.

So, to sum it up, the only thing that I miss about NX is its touchscreen implementation. It is by far the best among all mirrorless. Everything else - m4/3 is better. And even if tomorrow Samsung will announce that NX is back with the same optics and cameras, I won't consider it as a possiblie purchase. Overall m4/3 is far better system.

And did you notice I didn't mention Canon M3 here? )) Avoid it

Kisaha · Dec 6, 2016

SpacemanUA said:
Kisaha said:

They probably paid a good amount of money for product placemt+dialogue! They were serious back then, for a few months!

What system do you use these days? Did you miss NX at all?!

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My way after NX was: Canon M3 -> Olympus E-M10 II -> Panasonic GX80.

And while I loved NX500 (and not-so-loved NX30 ), I have to say that m4/3 cameras are far more advanced than NX. AF is great, I totally forgot that there were differences betweeb DSLRs and DSLMs in terms of that. And you're not limited to 3 lenses with fast AF, like it is on NX (45, 16-50, 50-150). It is very fast with 90% of m4/3 lenses. You can easily buy and sell used lenses and cameras, and you obviously can't do that with NX this days. I had difficulties with that even last year when I was selling my NX gear. And I just chechek my local "for sale" resources - nothing there but 18-55 and 20-50.

As for IQ - NX500 has upper hand there for sure. But the difference is not that big. Besides, modern m4/3 cameras have IBIS which is brilliant (and I underestimated it first), that helps to shoot at lower ISO. For example, I can shoot 1/15 with my 25mm lens handheld with close to 100% rate of getting sharp image. With NX30/2 I had to shoot 1/30-1/40, which makes 1 stop difference real-world. And this is more than ISO difference. In other words, you'll get similar images on m4/3 with ISO800 and NX500 on ISO1600. But the main thing that I like about IBIS is that it nulls micro-blur and micro-shake at fast shutter speed, like 1/100-1/200. I get razor sharp image literally every shot.

I like m4/3 more too. I'll choose 75/1.8 over 85/1.4. Oly is smaller, much sharper and contrasty than Samsung. Oh, and it focuses very fast while 85 is... Well, not so much.

So, to sum it up, the only thing that I miss about NX is its touchscreen implementation. It is by far the best among all mirrorless. Everything else - m4/3 is better. And even if tomorrow Samsung will announce that NX is back with the same optics and cameras, I won't consider it as a possiblie purchase. Overall m4/3 is far better system.

And did you notice I didn't mention Canon M3 here? )) Avoid it

I was using the flagship m4/3 GH4 for quite some time for video projects, NX1 is far superior in almost everything. The lens issue is kind of irrelevant, as I have everything I need in NX. How many lenses do you have? Or anyone, for that matter, also, the good lenses are relatively expensive, and the fast ones big and heavy (check the new 1.2/1.4 ones) almost reaching FF territory.

I sympathize very much with m4/3 and I am using the JVC LS300 right now with a few native lenses but the very low quality of those made me use EF/EF-S with metabones speedbooster (it was cheaper to go the metabones way, as there are plenty of EF/EF-S around anyway!).

I was considering the G85/80 as a B cam to the LS300, but the issues with IBIS make me to will be waiting to see the GH5, for now is NX1/Fuji/m43/Sony for me, also, since you changed system (3 cameras) and a few of my friends go the Sony way (already a600/6300 and now they have to go for the a6500) I spent 130€ only for a 3rd NX body, so, it was a less cost effective move, STAYING with the system.

Ibis is a relative new addition to the Pana line up, and very welcomed of course, obviously this is something the NX lacks, but I am very happy with my S IS (1/15 was achievable with my 16-50S in some tests I did, I would thought IBIS could go lower) and dual IS I used recently for a corporation video worked really well.

Also in my line of work we use Ronin and Ronin M which are balanced perfectly for our cameras and the NXes. A few months ago we did a corporate and all the Ronin shots with the NX1+ 16-50pz for weight issues, and AF, and everyone was stunned from the performance (my pz above 18mm is very good), especially from the AF.

So, actually, the only think m4/3 has and NX don't, is IBIS, and if you need more than 200mm, then one is out of luck with NX.

Funny, but Canon M5 is actually good, the first intereesting one, it is behind everyone, but 2 major advantages; best color science(translate: what people like) and best AF , so really these things that will sell a lot! In a couple of generations, maybe my next one will be M, or Fuji, I do not see a bright future for the m4/3, most of the cameras are 16mpxl with the small sensor, while NX is 28 APS-C, the difference is huge. Even with crop the NX lenses can reach as far as m4/3 can go!

Whatever works ofcourse.

SpacemanUA · Dec 6, 2016

Kisaha said:
How many lenses do you have? Or anyone, for that matter, also, the good lenses are relatively expensive, and the fast ones big and heavy (check the new 1.2/1.4 ones) almost reaching FF territory.

My lenses are in gear list.

Yes, 1.4 lenses are pretty expensive, but they are sharp wide open and still much smaller than FF ones.

Kisaha said:
I was considering the G85/80 as a B cam to the LS300, but the issues with IBIS make me to will be waiting to see the GH5

Already resolved with new FW update.

Kisaha said:
for now is NX1/Fuji/m43/Sony for me, also, since you changed system (3 cameras) and a few of my friends go the Sony way (already a600/6300 and now they have to go for the a6500) I spent 130€ only for a 3rd NX body, so, it was a less cost effective move, STAYING with the system.

Things are a bit complicated. We didn't have NX500 in shops in our country and there was no possibility to repair it in case of some malfunction. As I said, almost any m4/3 lens has great AF speed, while NX is very limited in this. 30/2, 60/2.8, 85/1.4 all are too slow, and these are major primes for the system.

Kisaha said:
Ibis is a relative new addition to the Pana line up, and very welcomed of course, obviously this is something the NX lacks, but I am very happy with my S IS (1/15 was achievable with my 16-50S in some tests I did, I would thought IBIS could go lower) and dual IS I used recently for a corporation video worked really well.

I just had a chat with my friend about IBIS and made a few shots with 150mm @5.6 (300mm full frame). I managed to get really sharp pictures with 1/13 sec. Not that bad I guess

And it was only in-camera stabilizer, not Double IS.

Kisaha said:
Funny, but Canon M5 is actually good, the first intereesting one, it is behind everyone, but 2 major advantages; best color science(translate: what people like) and best AF , so really these things that will sell a lot! In a couple of generations, maybe my next one will be M, or Fuji, I do not see a bright future for the m4/3, most of the cameras are 16mpxl with the small sensor, while NX is 28 APS-C, the difference is huge. Even with crop the NX lenses can reach as far as m4/3 can go!

Whatever works ofcourse.

M5 is overpriced. If it was about $600-700, it could be a good option, but not for $1000. With such rivals as G80/85, a6300, I don't think it has a chance to live. And while there were a lot of talks about "m4/3 has no future", it's the most advanced systems so far. I see no real difference in IQ with APS-C. Yes, 16Mp only (20 with next gen), but it's not a big difference with 24Mp in Sony and Fuji, and Samsung don't sell anything with 28Mp already

So, as I said, for me it is only touchscreen that I really miss from NX

brownie112 · Dec 6, 2016

I currently use the (ex) flagship M43 + one of the sharpest lens made: Olympus EM1+12-40/2.8

What I love about my M43

-IQ is virtually indistinguishable (in good light) if you are a skilled photographer who doesn't need large prints or more importantly need to 'crop', pull shadows, adjust colour/sharpness.

-IBIS is great, I have hand held shots 1/5s and still managed to get near sharp results (at night/low light)

-Lens selection is amazing, 12-40/2.8 + rest of the PRO line of lenses are insanely sharp.

-Remote App - looks primitive but WORKS every single time.

-Built in Wifi - very handy and much better than NX300 I had where it connects to home wireless internet. This built in wifi you get to send things to phone straight after taking the shot, doesn't matter if you are middle of forest with no Wifi or 4G you can send photos to your phone.

-Touch screen and touch focus isn't as good as NX, but 100 times better than Sony (well they don't have touch to focus so it is more like infinite times better than Sony)

-Buffer for high FPS shooting is great. Way more than I need. (but not anywhere same league as a6500)

Now been saving best for the last - handling. EM1 is just from another planet when it comes to ergonomics and handling. I have serious GAS and go through bit of gear and can confidently say that EM1 ergo is close to best. Camera just flows really nice, great button placements.

***Now on to the reasons why I ordered NX1 while owning EM1/12-40 Pro kit.***

-IQ will be day and night difference if you are not a skilled photographer who need to 'crop', pull shadows, adjust colour/sharpness. Bigger sensor and extra MP of light/data provides peace of mind for doing PP later.

-Due to 16MP/M43 sensor, this system isn't very forgiving if you have screwed up a bit regarding exposure or other settings. (yes it is much better to learn the skills instead of relying on PP, but hey I'm surprised I'm even using a dedicated camera and not my phone camera like rest of my university and work friends)

-Built in flash

-Potential for more dof control using kit lens (F2.8 S lens vs Olympus 2.8 Pro lens)

-Better touch implementation

-NX seem to have the lens I need, so big lens selection with M43 while is good but not required.

-Size/weight/cost ratio to sensor size/IQ/MP just doesn't seem that great when compared to full frame Sonys or even APSC counterparts.

These are my personal opinions having owned an old NX camera, played with NX500 and currently own EM1.

If you do a search on DPR or any site for cameras with just the 3 features/filters, there are not a lot of cameras like the NX1

-APSC/FF

-EVF (OVF isn't just cutting it after getting used to the amazing EVF in Olympus)

-Touch focus (a6500 came close but nope)

Only the EOS M5 fit those above list however poor native lens selection ruled it out.

If you notice I didn't put the 15 FPS continous shooting as a virtue of NX1, I believe this is useless sorry if you do not have decent buffer. I like NX but having owned a camera which came out earlier than NX1 with much much better buffer...

Kisaha · Dec 6, 2016

SpacemanUA said:
Kisaha said:

How many lenses do you have? Or anyone, for that matter, also, the good lenses are relatively expensive, and the fast ones big and heavy (check the new 1.2/1.4 ones) almost reaching FF territory.

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My lenses are in gear list.

Yes, 1.4 lenses are pretty expensive, but they are sharp wide open and still much smaller than FF ones.

SpacemanUA said:

I was considering the G85/80 as a B cam to the LS300, but the issues with IBIS make me to will be waiting to see the GH5

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Already resolved with new FW update.

SpacemanUA said:

for now is NX1/Fuji/m43/Sony for me, also, since you changed system (3 cameras) and a few of my friends go the Sony way (already a600/6300 and now they have to go for the a6500) I spent 130€ only for a 3rd NX body, so, it was a less cost effective move, STAYING with the system.

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Things are a bit complicated. We didn't have NX500 in shops in our country and there was no possibility to repair it in case of some malfunction. As I said, almost any m4/3 lens has great AF speed, while NX is very limited in this. 30/2, 60/2.8, 85/1.4 all are too slow, and these are major primes for the system.

SpacemanUA said:

Ibis is a relative new addition to the Pana line up, and very welcomed of course, obviously this is something the NX lacks, but I am very happy with my S IS (1/15 was achievable with my 16-50S in some tests I did, I would thought IBIS could go lower) and dual IS I used recently for a corporation video worked really well.

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I just had a chat with my friend about IBIS and made a few shots with 150mm @5.6 (300mm full frame). I managed to get really sharp pictures with 1/13 sec. Not that bad I guess And it was only in-camera stabilizer, not Double IS.

SpacemanUA said:

Funny, but Canon M5 is actually good, the first intereesting one, it is behind everyone, but 2 major advantages; best color science(translate: what people like) and best AF , so really these things that will sell a lot! In a couple of generations, maybe my next one will be M, or Fuji, I do not see a bright future for the m4/3, most of the cameras are 16mpxl with the small sensor, while NX is 28 APS-C, the difference is huge. Even with crop the NX lenses can reach as far as m4/3 can go!

Whatever works ofcourse.

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M5 is overpriced. If it was about $600-700, it could be a good option, but not for $1000. With such rivals as G80/85, a6300, I don't think it has a chance to live. And while there were a lot of talks about "m4/3 has no future", it's the most advanced systems so far. I see no real difference in IQ with APS-C. Yes, 16Mp only (20 with next gen), but it's not a big difference with 24Mp in Sony and Fuji, and Samsung don't sell anything with 28Mp already

So, as I said, for me it is only touchscreen that I really miss from NX

Ofcourse m4/3 is a really mature system with a traditional photo brand+plus a traditional video brand (Panasonic's Varicams can go to tenths of thousands of $), somethings that Samsung never was, and NX didn't achieve, every generation for NX was a huge leap though.

Compare the 30/300 with the NX1/NX500, huge diferences, Samsung just quited before its prime, imagine a NX1mk2 with IBIS, better low iso 28mgpxls BSI sensor, and a few (just a few, really) details fixed. Marvelous.

Megapixels are relative when the sensors are similar, 28 APS-C are nowhere near 30-40 full frame mgpxls (5DS, a7rII etc), but 28mpxl APS-C is very competitive to smaller full frame sensors (up to 24). Just the crop issue is definite and not subjective at all!

As of the Canon, already they are giving the EF/EF-S adaptor for free, and there are a lot of dSLR Canon users that want a small backup camera. With the pancake and a kit zoom, plus the adaptor they can have what they really need (not me, not yet..) , I am expecting a harsh price drop off really soon, maybe just after holidays, it won't sell much for 1000$, but when it reaches 700$ it will be just perfect for some.

Also, top m4/3 bodies will exceed, or be at 2000€. That is not cheap at all, and only the top m4/3 bodies offer everything the system can.

I considered all of the APS-Cs options quite expensive (Nikon, Fuji's and Sony's, olus the latest two have expensive lense), but after I heard that m4/3 are going to be more expensive, i'll be expecting the next Fuji and Canon moves in a year or two.

All is good really, after acquiring the 16-50S (I remind you is a 2-2.8f zoom) I feel like I am set for photography for a lot of years to come, and then I go with an appropriate camera for video, with internal ND, XLR and all in one body. I shoot wide to medium, so NX1 with 16-50S, NX500 with 45 or 12-24, and NX3000 with 30 or 10 fish eye and I do not even change a lens!

I always had 2 cameras with me (since my Zenith and Canon AE-1 days, Fuji bridge and Fuji ultra compact with the same sensor), now I have 3, and I am trying hard NOT to get my beloved NX300!

That is so liberating!

G85+GH5 would be really good too, but I have the above lenses, plus a few more (pz, 50-200 which is extremely good for what it is) and I did a little math, and acquiring the 2 Pana's + lenses I need, I can easily buy a Canon C300, and if I sell a few lenses (I have a small collection of legacy ones), a C300markII!! It is really funny to think about it.

Kisaha · Dec 6, 2016

brownie112 said:
I currently use the (ex) flagship M43 + one of the sharpest lens made: Olympus EM1+12-40/2.8

What I love about my M43

-IQ is virtually indistinguishable (in good light) if you are a skilled photographer who doesn't need large prints or more importantly need to 'crop', pull shadows, adjust colour/sharpness.

-IBIS is great, I have hand held shots 1/5s and still managed to get near sharp results (at night/low light)

-Lens selection is amazing, 12-40/2.8 + rest of the PRO line of lenses are insanely sharp.

-Remote App - looks primitive but WORKS every single time.

-Built in Wifi - very handy and much better than NX300 I had where it connects to home wireless internet. This built in wifi you get to send things to phone straight after taking the shot, doesn't matter if you are middle of forest with no Wifi or 4G you can send photos to your phone.

-Touch screen and touch focus isn't as good as NX, but 100 times better than Sony (well they don't have touch to focus so it is more like infinite times better than Sony)

-Buffer for high FPS shooting is great. Way more than I need. (but not anywhere same league as a6500)

Now been saving best for the last - handling. EM1 is just from another planet when it comes to ergonomics and handling. I have serious GAS and go through bit of gear and can confidently say that EM1 ergo is close to best. Camera just flows really nice, great button placements.

***Now on to the reasons why I ordered NX1 while owning EM1/12-40 Pro kit.***

-IQ will be day and night difference if you are not a skilled photographer who need to 'crop', pull shadows, adjust colour/sharpness. Bigger sensor and extra MP of light/data provides peace of mind for doing PP later.

-Due to 16MP/M43 sensor, this system isn't very forgiving if you have screwed up a bit regarding exposure or other settings. (yes it is much better to learn the skills instead of relying on PP, but hey I'm surprised I'm even using a dedicated camera and not my phone camera like rest of my university and work friends)

-Built in flash

-Potential for more dof control using kit lens (F2.8 S lens vs Olympus 2.8 Pro lens)

-Better touch implementation

-NX seem to have the lens I need, so big lens selection with M43 while is good but not required.

-Size/weight/cost ratio to sensor size/IQ/MP just doesn't seem that great when compared to full frame Sonys or even APSC counterparts.

These are my personal opinions having owned an old NX camera, played with NX500 and currently own EM1.

If you do a search on DPR or any site for cameras with just the 3 features/filters, there are not a lot of cameras like the NX1

-APSC/FF

-EVF (OVF isn't just cutting it after getting used to the amazing EVF in Olympus)

-Touch focus (a6500 came close but nope)

Only the EOS M5 fit those above list however poor native lens selection ruled it out.

If you notice I didn't put the 15 FPS continous shooting as a virtue of NX1, I believe this is useless sorry if you do not have decent buffer. I like NX but having owned a camera which came out earlier than NX1 with much much better buffer...

The S is 2-2.8f, from 16 to 23mm(apprx.) is like a few 2f primes, and a few 2.8f, on one lens!

The wifi/bluetooth implementation of Samsung is the best in industry, hands down. I do not rember exactly in NX300 (which I remeber I was impressed back them, but it seems like ages ago now, are you sure doesn't send directly to camera with the Remote Link or somethingm) but the latests NXes is brilliant. Also, there is an extra remote from the mod/hack scene, plus the Samsung one.

NX1's EVF is near the top in class too, do not know, not using it much, it works much better than others (e.g A7ii, GH4).

M5 will sell well, it ticks the boxes that matter for most, especially when it goes down a few hundreds.

Whoever has hold my NX1 has been impressed. I have no experience with Olympus, as the bad video was a no-no for me, but i am expecting NX1 to be at least as good, and with BETTER menu system (Olympus is notorious for their terrible menus), and much better user interface (litterally, you can do each thing with 2-5 ways!).

brownie112 · Dec 6, 2016

Kisaha said:
The S is 2-2.8f, from 16 to 23mm(apprx.) is like a few 2f primes, and a few 2.8f, on one lens!

Kisaha said:
The wifi/bluetooth implementation of Samsung is the best in industry, hands down. I do not rember exactly in NX300 (which I remeber I was impressed back them, but it seems like ages ago now, are you sure doesn't send directly to camera with the Remote Link or somethingm) but the latests NXes is brilliant.

Hmm interesting, I lost my NX300 so cannot check now, but I always thought you need to be connected to wifi in order to send photos to phone, especially since it asked for "email" address for sending stuff!

Also found that NX300 the wifi wasn't great, it used a heap of battery so I never really used it a lot. NX300 compared to EM1 in terms of WiFi I prefer the EM1 because I actually use it a lot these days.

Kisaha said:
Also, there is an extra remote from the mod/hack scene, plus the Samsung one.

Hi could you redirect me to the remote/hack scene? Googleing didn't bring up NX1 hacked android stuff. I have a rooted S7E and loving it so fairly used to jailbreak/hack/root etc. Provided I do not end up with a 'bricked' NX1 !

Kisaha said:
NX1's EVF is near the top in class too, do not know, not using it much, it works much better than others (e.g A7ii, GH4).

I really hope this is true. I've gotten used to Olympus EM1 EVF and it is amazing.

Kisaha said:
M5 will sell well, it ticks the boxes that matter for most, especially when it goes down a few hundreds.

I almost pre ordered the M5 but held off due to having no native primes/fast zooms. I've had not great experience with adapters however like you said, if adapters come bundled with M5, I'd assume they will be super fast and should work niggle free.

Kisaha said:
Whoever has hold my NX1 has been impressed. I have no experience with Olympus, as the bad video was a no-no for me, but i am expecting NX1 to be at least as good, and with BETTER menu system (Olympus is notorious for their terrible menus), and much better user interface (litterally, you can do each thing with 2-5 ways!).

Good point about Olympus menu system. It is extremely complicated at the start but once you put the effort into learning and going through it, you will realise that they are actually not super bad. I came to terms with this when I realised that complicated menus also allowed a multitude of customization options, hence why the complication

Mind you, only reason I got into the EM1+12-40/2.8 is because I got it brand new for $1500 as kit. I'd never pay whatever asking price for the new EM1 Mk 2!! I heard body only is like $1999!

tecnoworld · Dec 6, 2016

In no possible way I see myself going down from 28mp to anything lower. I like cropping/reframing too much. Actually I see my future possible camera having 40+ mp (and if nx1 will work fine, that won't be before 2020).

As to af, I think that nx1 with s lenses is faster than any other mirrorless I tried, including the gh4. If you need particular/niche lenses than ok, m4/3 has an edge and this is the only advantage I see in that system to nx.

brownie112 · Dec 6, 2016

tecnoworld said:
In no possible way I see myself going down from 28mp to anything lower. I like cropping/reframing too much. Actually I see my future possible camera having 40+ mp (and if nx1 will work fine, that won't be before 2020).

There is always A7RII, only catch is no touch focus and you may have to sell kidney depending on what shape it is.. jokes

tecnoworld said:
As to af, I think that nx1 with s lenses is faster than any other mirrorless I tried, including the gh4. If you need particular/niche lenses than ok, m4/3 has an edge and this is the only advantage I see in that system to nx.

I hope so too, EM1 with 12-40/2.8 is super fast in good light. M43 has an edge in being smaller and lighter, but this is negated when you compare M43 with NX500..

tecnoworld · Dec 6, 2016

M43 is too expensive for what it is. Would be like paying 60.000 for a fiat 500 abarth with all the bells and whistles. If I have that sum, I prefer spending it on a porsche Cayman.

brownie112 · Dec 6, 2016

tecnoworld said:
M43 is too expensive for what it is. Would be like paying 60.000 for a fiat 500 abarth with all the bells and whistles. If I have that sum, I prefer spending it on a porsche Cayman.

By that logic I can't help but think APSC is also the Fiat and Sony FF mirrorless is Porsche

tecnoworld · Dec 7, 2016

Of course I was referring to FF. If I have to spend 2000€ on a camera body, that won't be less than FF. The same goes for the lenses.

Nx had an outstanding value for what it is. For the total price I paid for my nx equipment, I would have bought an em1-mk2 and a couple of lenses at most.

flip 21 · Dec 7, 2016

tecnoworld said:
Of course I was referring to FF. If I have to spend 2000€ on a camera body, that won't be less than FF. The same goes for the lenses.

Nx had an outstanding value for what it is. For the total price I paid for my nx equipment, I would have bought an em1-mk2 and a couple of lenses at most.

And in the end you were still losing, because image quality is what counts.

I just don't understand why people talk about ergonomics, or other features, and those are the reasons why they choose a camera, to the detriment of other cameras . They don't care about sacrifying image quality, for a shielded body, or 4k capability, for a camera that has the Canon logo. For me I would always pefer a camera that offers me the best image quality for the money I spend. In the end, the viewer of my videos doesn't care about if the camera was ergonomic to the person that shoot the clip... It cares about the image quality though, and the NX1 IQ is the best...

Kisaha · Dec 7, 2016

flip 21 said:
tecnoworld said:

Of course I was referring to FF. If I have to spend 2000€ on a camera body, that won't be less than FF. The same goes for the lenses.

Nx had an outstanding value for what it is. For the total price I paid for my nx equipment, I would have bought an em1-mk2 and a couple of lenses at most.

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And in the end you were still losing, because image quality is what counts.

I just don't understand why people talk about ergonomics, or other features, and those are the reasons why they choose a camera, to the detriment of other cameras . They don't care about sacrifying image quality, for a shielded body, or 4k capability, for a camera that has the Canon logo. For me I would always pefer a camera that offers me the best image quality for the money I spend. In the end, the viewer of my videos doesn't care about if the camera was ergonomic to the person that shoot the clip... It cares about the image quality though, and the NX1 IQ is the best...

(I continue with the car metaphors!).

People are buying cars. Cars can be very fast. The fastest cars (F1 or WRC) can not be driven on the road. There are maintenace costs, safety, comfort, taxation etc. What car do you drive? Why?

If you care only about your videos, then you can buy 10bit cameras for years now. They are called Black Magic Video cameras, and they are relatively cheap.

brownie112 · Dec 7, 2016

flip 21 said:
And in the end you were still losing, because image quality is what counts.

I just don't understand why people talk about ergonomics, or other features, and those are the reasons why they choose a camera, to the detriment of other cameras .

Hmm, very hard to completely agree that ergonomics don't matter. I will sacrifice SOME image quality for a lot of gain in ergo and ease of use. For eg, you have a FF huge DSLR which will guarantee the best IQ (hypothetically). Then you have your little NX500 with a 45/1.8 lens which will take super decent shots.

flip 21 said:
They don't care about sacrifying image quality, for a shielded body, or 4k capability, for a camera that has the Canon logo. For me I would always pefer a camera that offers me the best image quality for the money I spend.

Personally I'll take a small hit on IQ for tremendous increase in ergo and ease of use (touch features etc).

flip 21 said:
In the end, the viewer of my videos doesn't care about if the camera was ergonomic to the person that shoot the clip...

Totally agree. Also the viewer of photos doesn't care if shot with my hypothetical huge DSLR or the NX500. Except with my hypothetical DSLR, I may have missed the shot due to taking 5 minutes to take it out of the bag, turning on, setting up etc as opposed to an easier to use camera with comparable performance/sensor/MP.

flip 21 said:
It cares about the image quality though, and the NX1 IQ is the best...

I still think IQ/dollar spent, yes NX1 is up there. But A7Rii and even some of the A7ii images look very nice especially in lower light arena.

brownie112 · Dec 7, 2016

Kisaha said:
(I continue with the car metaphors!).

People are buying cars. Cars can be very fast. The fastest cars (F1 or WRC) can not be driven on the road.

There are maintenace costs, safety, comfort, taxation etc.

Would you say fastest cars F1/WRC translates to Leica, Hasselblad? where

1. expensive 2. requires more frequent servicing 3. not easy to use as daily driver

Kisaha said:
What car do you drive? Why?

EM1 + 12-40 which might translate to a VW Golf R32 since ergo, comfy, cheaper than F1 ?

Kisaha said:
If you care only about your videos, then you can buy 10bit cameras for years now. They are called Black Magic Video cameras, and they are relatively cheap.

VisualFX · Dec 7, 2016

tecnoworld said:
M43 is too expensive for what it is. Would be like paying 60.000 for a fiat 500 abarth with all the bells and whistles. If I have that sum, I prefer spending it on a porsche Cayman.

The latest Olympus camera MK ii is ridiculous priced at $2K USD. Sorry, I'll keep my NX1 and NX500 for that price.

Samsung still has product placement for NX. But why?

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