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Any news on DL series?

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PaPeRo said:
The DL has both a mechanical and electronic shutter.
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The DL has not got anything. it does not exist. There is no DL camera yet. It is still in a protracted development which may stretch the budget on what can and cannot be implemented. I would wait and see what appears if anything at all before you get excited about specs. The promo clip was all puff that could not in practice be implemented in at the time. There is no proof that Nikon will ever be able to produce these 3 cameras.
 
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PaPeRo said:
And you're a crybaby who thinks repeating something a million times will cause Nikon to add an integrated EVF...*facepalm*
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PaPeRo said:
Let me say it again since you seem to be living in your own alternate reality. Nikon doesn't really care and have already decided that an integrated EVF is NOT worth adding.
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And I suppose the next thing we'll be hearing from you is that interchangeable lenses are a feature you don't care for (or understand), that Nikon has decided that feature isn't worth continuing, and that people who want them are crybabies...
 
D300SandV1shooter said:
And I suppose the next thing we'll be hearing from you is that interchangeable lenses are a feature you don't care for (or understand), that Nikon has decided that feature isn't worth continuing, and that people who want them are crybabies...
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When interviewed Nikon managers hint that the next N1 camera may be a J6 rather than a V4/5, it is reason for concern, and it can't hurt to repeat a wish for an EVF. The slower writing speed (vs the V3), the smaller buffer, the fact that the J5 takes a blackout instead of "real" BIF, keeping the eye on the bird - too many handicaps of the J series.
 
Yes, at Nikon they are silent. Maybe it's the right way to go.

As far DL series is concerned, Nikon have to come out with something good to ease & heal all the negative thoughts that went out of the bottle. It's just the only way to go for them. I believe they will succeed in the remedy.
 
Stefan BW said:
Sony had already claimed for the RX100 IV: "with its high readout speed, rolling shutter artifacts in video [...] are eliminated." Apparently that IV model had "five times faster" readout speed than the iii model. For the RX100 V Sony claims a readout speed "5x faster than conventional cameras". PR speak, no numbers.
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Yeah, 5x faster than a conventional camera. Where do I find the specs for that conventional camera? No doubt Sony has pushed the state of the art with their stacked sensors and innovative electronics. But, I can't find any references from Sony claiming they eliminated rolling shutter effects. Their PR on the RX100 v uses the accurately phased statement:

The RX100 V also has a high speed Anti-Distortion Shutter (maximum speed of 1/32000 second) that minimizes the “rolling shutter” effect commonly experienced with fast moving subjects.

Nikon's claim they have effectively eliminated rolling shutter effects is stretching the facts and subject to misinterpretation.
 
BGD300V1 said:
Having worked in the area of Digital Signal Processing I was wondering when the processing capacity of cameras would catch up to what is possible in that area concerning extracting signals in a noisy environment.

Most of the 'noise' in a digital image isa processing artifact.
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What? You are confusing noise, a random process, with process induced loss of fidelity, artifacts. I've never heard of something like compression artifacts classified as noise. Perhaps you have a reference.

One of the great advantages of digital processing is that a for a given set of input data, the output will be consistent. Noise is the unexpected variations in the signal.

Noise in digital cameras has many sources. It starts with a with a source the camera has no control over, photon shot noise. This is simply the random nature of how photons arrive at the sensor. Even at a constant light level, there will be variations in the number of photons detected at a photo site over any given interval. The variations become more significant at lower light levels Then there are all the electronic noise sources within the camera. The sensor itself contributes some noise. Same for the PGA used to adjust ISO and the even A/D converter has its contribution. These noise sources are similar in appearance to shot noise. Then there's junk that inadvertently gets coupled into the analog signal path, such as a clock or control signals. This often shows up as fixed pattern noise.
 
BGD300V1 said:
It's more complex than that because the noise can be introduced anywhere along the path from the sensor on in. Even the lens has it's own effect.

I retired in 2000 and don't need to think about this stuff anymore. I do know what DSP was capable of then and expect that advances have been made. It is processing intensive though.
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Are you saying the lens contributes to image noise? The lens has effects such as lack of sharpness, non-uniform focus, barrel/pincushion distortion, vignetting, flare etc. But, for a given set of conditions, these characteristics are constant. How exactly does a lens produce noise?

Those of us who worked in processing comm signals had the advantage of knowing the exact nature of the clean signal. Image noise reduction presents somewhat of a unique problem in that the data itself appears somewhat random. The most effective methods of image noise reduction are indeed compute intensive. In-camera noise reduction is limited by relatively low processing power and restricted processing time. They appear to use less complex smoothing functions that tends to destroy fine details.

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Hi,

We're approaching the Christmas time in 2 weeks. Has anyone heard anything new on the DL series? Maybe some insider voice or similar?

Any relevant whisper will be fully welcomed. ;) :D
 
Avian2016 said:
Hi,

We're approaching the Christmas time in 2 weeks. Has anyone heard anything new on the DL series? Maybe some insider voice or similar?

Any relevant whisper will be fully welcomed. ;) :D

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I am 100% certain that there will be definite news either before or after Christmas.

Just not sure which year?
 
The CES in the beginning of januari is the most likely event to get some news about the Nikon DL- or Nikon 1-series...
 
B&H was telling that expected delivery is 17 January 2017.
 
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