Camera Choices - No look shooting, day and night

This is really bad advice, and I'm made happier that it was your mistake.

There is a major change coming to Street Photography, the genuine Street Photographers already know it is in the air ...and I don't care how magnificent a person feels that they can troll, or make a funny regard of my suggestion, but the end of Street Photography is not that far off, and coming sooner for some (hello Frank) you will all have to adapt or else take up some other activity that includes walking ...in a city.

Besides, did anyone look at Artie's beautiful photography. He does not need this kind of help from others that don't know what they are talking about. You don't know how powerful hip shooting is because you cannot do it ...is all. It is hugely powerful but who of you knew that ...well apparently none, not one, well maybe except one or two including the OP.

Don't you like his photographs already, I do and don't want them spoilt for him and for me or anyone else when they look at them ...further and you can whine as much as you want about my use of the word "genuine" but I will speak my mind and not have it directed by a (cough) (cough) empty majority.

ant.
If you think Artie's hip-shots are superior to his non hip-shots, you should be telling him, not me.
It was your advice we were discussing not Artie's photographs (his name is right there by the way)

Oh look, you got a thumb, you must have found another street photographer Jeff ...and here of all places. Who gave you that ...lol
No, there was no discussion regarding my advice, just a judgement - for some unexplained reason - that it was bad. If you care to expand on how it is so, I'm all ears.
I have said, "hip photography is powerful" its just you don't know it and instead regard it as a lesser skill when in fact it takes more to be able to do it well.
That's all, but it was with the advice that just because someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean it is all bad. You will have to have seen every possible photograph to have that opinion. But that is impossible to say

...but you said it

The logic is horribly wrong, you haven't seen every photo otherwise you would see the ones I see and know that it is hugely powerful

...and should be encouraged so that others get good at it ...with practice.
 
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I'm looking to buy a new camera that will be suitable for my style of photogaphy which is mostly no-look street shooting. The camera's belt high, or slightly higher, and I basically aim and press the shutter.

Of prime importance is auto focus capability that will somewhat reliably select a subject (obviously an art) and attain quick and reliable focus, both in daylight and at night. Focus priority (only tripping the shutter when the camera has attained focus) and face detection are also priorities.

Contenders (within my price range) are

Panasonic LX100

Panasonic DMC-G7

Panasonic DMC-GX85

Sony SLT A68

Nikon D5500

All ILCs will be purchased with the kit lens. (The LX-100 has a fixed lens).

Other considerations - The Panasonics are generally light and compact (a plus). The LX100 has a significantly faster lens (should be able to focus better in low light and use lower ISO?), The Sony and Nikon have the biggest sensors; LX100 has the smallest. The Sony has hybrid (phase and contrast) focusing but is the heaviest. The Nikon is loud (almost disqualifying, but I've left it in)

Thoughts?
 
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I have said, "hip photography is powerful" its just you don't know it and instead regard it as a lesser skill when in fact it takes more to be able to do it well.
That's all, but it was with the advice that just because someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean it is all bad. You will have to have seen every possible photograph to have that opinion. But that is impossible to say

...but you said it

And you haven't seen every photo ...otherwise you would see the ones I see and know that it is ...hugely powerful.

Its funny when you think about it, I have the reputation according to some of having the narrowest view and yet here we are. lol
Well, you're simply reading what I wrote, incorrectly. No wonder your first reply made no sense to me.

Didn't I write there was nothing wrong with the hip-shot approach? (YES.) Did I write that someone doesn't like it? (NO.) You simply extrapolated too much from what was written.

Can a photographer make a good, strong photograph from the hip? Of course; again, I never said otherwise. Yet, for any good hip-shot, taking the same shot with camera-to-eye takes more self-discipline. Think about it...it has to do with the knees. Now, if you think the hip-shot is a greater skill, please tell me how that is. We're not talking about quality of image, just difficulty of technique. Or, aren't we?

My only advice - that Artie think about a camera system that can grow in-step with his needs, as and if he grows as a photographer - is what you deemed bad. And you still haven't given your reasoning as to why that should be.

Still waiting...
 
I have said, "hip photography is powerful" its just you don't know it and instead regard it as a lesser skill when in fact it takes more to be able to do it well.
That's all, but it was with the advice that just because someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean it is all bad. You will have to have seen every possible photograph to have that opinion. But that is impossible to say

...but you said it

And you haven't seen every photo ...otherwise you would see the ones I see and know that it is ...hugely powerful.

Its funny when you think about it, I have the reputation according to some of having the narrowest view and yet here we are. lol
Well, you're simply reading what I wrote, incorrectly. No wonder your first reply made no sense to me.

Didn't I write there was nothing wrong with the hip-shot approach? (YES.) Did I write that someone doesn't like it? (NO.) You simply extrapolated too much from what was written.

Can a photographer make a good, strong photograph from the hip? Of course; again, I never said otherwise. Yet, for any good hip-shot, taking the same shot with camera-to-eye takes more self-discipline. Think about it...it has to do with the knees. Now, if you think the hip-shot is a greater skill, please tell me how that is. We're not talking about quality of image, just difficulty of technique. Or, aren't we?

My only advice - that Artie think about a camera system that can grow in-step with his needs, as and if he grows as a photographer - is what you deemed bad. And you still haven't given your reasoning as to why that should be.

Still waiting...
Artie said "no-look" shooting ...he said
I'm looking to buy a new camera that will be suitable for my style of photogaphy which is mostly no-look street shooting. The camera's belt high, or slightly higher, and I basically aim and press the shutter.

Of prime importance is auto focus capability that will somewhat reliably select a subject (obviously an art) and attain quick and reliable focus, both in daylight and at night. Focus priority (only tripping the shutter when the camera has attained focus) and face detection are also priorities.
I think it was pretty clear. That was supposed to be the objective, a pretty big one to talk someone out of. If you look at his photography, like I did, like I did when he asked the question and not later, then you would understand why he asked ...or not see it at all.

Either way that is why I stepped in.

I can go on and on like this all day if I have to, but I won't. I will stop now and go back to what I was doing which includes a Chocolate orange peel tea ...never had one, am tasting a lot of tea these days. Chocolate orange tea, we should be talking about that ...is seriously yum.
 
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Artie said "no-look" shooting ...he said
I'm looking to buy a new camera that will be suitable for my style of photogaphy which is mostly no-look street shooting. The camera's belt high, or slightly higher, and I basically aim and press the shutter.

Of prime importance is auto focus capability that will somewhat reliably select a subject (obviously an art) and attain quick and reliable focus, both in daylight and at night. Focus priority (only tripping the shutter when the camera has attained focus) and face detection are also priorities.
I think it was pretty clear. That was supposed to be the objective, a pretty big one to talk someone out of. If you look at his photography, like I did, like I did when he asked the question and not later, then you would understand why he asked ...or not see it at all.

Either way that is why I stepped in.

I can go on and on like this all day if I have to, but I won't. I will stop now and go back to what I was doing which includes a Chocolate orange peel tea ...never had one, am tasting a lot of tea these days. Chocolate orange tea, we should be talking about that ...is seriously yum.
Where was I trying to talk him out of anything? My original comment:

"Are you sure you'll maintain a long-term interest in the hip-shooting technique? It's a bit low-on-the-ladder in terms of skills available for street...not that there's anything wrong with the approach.

The fear is, once you've picked the ultimate hip-shot system, you'll graduate into techniques requiring greater degrees of self-discipline. If that happens, having a camera system that can grow with you would seem the wisest path to pursue."

I couldn't have qualified my advice any more. There was no need for you to have stepped in, but I'm "made happier" that it was you who stepped in, it.
 
Artie said "no-look" shooting ...he said
I'm looking to buy a new camera that will be suitable for my style of photogaphy which is mostly no-look street shooting. The camera's belt high, or slightly higher, and I basically aim and press the shutter.

Of prime importance is auto focus capability that will somewhat reliably select a subject (obviously an art) and attain quick and reliable focus, both in daylight and at night. Focus priority (only tripping the shutter when the camera has attained focus) and face detection are also priorities.
I think it was pretty clear. That was supposed to be the objective, a pretty big one to talk someone out of. If you look at his photography, like I did, like I did when he asked the question and not later, then you would understand why he asked ...or not see it at all.

Either way that is why I stepped in.

I can go on and on like this all day if I have to, but I won't. I will stop now and go back to what I was doing which includes a Chocolate orange peel tea ...never had one, am tasting a lot of tea these days. Chocolate orange tea, we should be talking about that ...is seriously yum.
Where was I trying to talk him out of anything? My original comment:

"Are you sure you'll maintain a long-term interest in the hip-shooting technique? It's a bit low-on-the-ladder in terms of skills available for street...not that there's anything wrong with the approach.
I don't know, I honestly don't but it might be necessary in the future. Have you looked outside Jeff, its getting pretty frightening. Did you know (so I'm told, I haven't confirmed it for myself yet) but did you know there is a penalty for sitting on a US train with your legs apart. I'm talking about men mate ...for every cycle of popular uprising or innovation, this one your country is dragging us into ...and it would be the funniest if it wasn't so utterly stupid and dangerous.

One day we all might have to take photographs from our hips ....and be like perverts.
The fear is, once you've picked the ultimate hip-shot system, you'll graduate into techniques requiring greater degrees of self-discipline. If that happens, having a camera system that can grow with you would seem the wisest path to pursue."
I don't know, like I said, if it all goes bad then this is what we will be reduced to, I'm trying to work out another way and I think I have but I can honestly see the end of Street Photography, and Artie, his photography is good ...I don't think we should mess with that by telling him there are better ways, I think the better way, like being honest and forthright and using you eye ...is going to be problematic in the future.

The bottom line for me is a guy has to be walking, relaxing and happy and has his camera with him ..and not being abused for being a good man. I'm working on it but its a bigger job than anyone thought, me included.
 
Hi Artie,

I use a Ricoh GR with a wrist strap :) Some pics:

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Cheers,

Jack

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I'm looking to buy a new camera that will be suitable for my style of photogaphy which is mostly no-look street shooting. The camera's belt high, or slightly higher, and I basically aim and press the shutter.

Of prime importance is auto focus capability that will somewhat reliably select a subject (obviously an art) and attain quick and reliable focus, both in daylight and at night. Focus priority (only tripping the shutter when the camera has attained focus) and face detection are also priorities.

Contenders (within my price range) are

Panasonic LX100

Panasonic DMC-G7

Panasonic DMC-GX85

Sony SLT A68

Nikon D5500

All ILCs will be purchased with the kit lens. (The LX-100 has a fixed lens).

Other considerations - The Panasonics are generally light and compact (a plus). The LX100 has a significantly faster lens (should be able to focus better in low light and use lower ISO?), The Sony and Nikon have the biggest sensors; LX100 has the smallest. The Sony has hybrid (phase and contrast) focusing but is the heaviest. The Nikon is loud (almost disqualifying, but I've left it in)

Thoughts?
 
I was talking about shutter noise Ant, not image noise (not that image noise really bothers me)
lol..

shutter noise, I use a FM3a with a motor drive that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day the council did road-works outside with jackhammers.

I also have a Mamiya RB67 that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day someone blew up the rubbish bins outside ...with explosives.

Once I snapped a Canon photographer in the street with my D700, I almost had the lens on his shoulder and he still didn't hear it. Only the photographer hears it.

I never understood this conversation in street photography, I take a shot it clicks and it doesn't matter, the shot is taken, its all over and no one was hurt.

I don't get it, unless you take lots of photos or use burst or multiple shots and then I would say they are not a Street Photographer, instead, I would say they are hopeless at Street Photography ..and own a noisy camera
 
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I was talking about shutter noise Ant, not image noise (not that image noise really bothers me)
lol..

shutter noise, I use a FM3a with a motor drive that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day the council did road-works outside with jackhammers.

I also have a Mamiya RB67 that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day someone blew up the rubbish bins outside ...with explosives.

Once I snapped a Canon photographer in the street with my D700, I almost had the lens on his shoulder and he still didn't hear it. Only the photographer hears it.

I never understood this conversation in street photography, I take a shot it clicks and it doesn't matter, the shot is taken, its all over and no one was hurt.

I don't get it, unless you take lots of photos or use burst or multiple shots and then I would say they are not a Street Photographer, instead, I would say they are hopeless at Street Photography ..and own a noisy camera
The in thing now is these silent electronic shutters, I just don`t get this at all for street but some think its the best thing since sliced bread, I guess these people also recommend dressing up all in all black like ninja`s as well.
 
I was talking about shutter noise Ant, not image noise (not that image noise really bothers me)
lol..

shutter noise, I use a FM3a with a motor drive that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day the council did road-works outside with jackhammers.

I also have a Mamiya RB67 that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day someone blew up the rubbish bins outside ...with explosives.

Once I snapped a Canon photographer in the street with my D700, I almost had the lens on his shoulder and he still didn't hear it. Only the photographer hears it.

I never understood this conversation in street photography, I take a shot it clicks and it doesn't matter, the shot is taken, its all over and no one was hurt.

I don't get it, unless you take lots of photos or use burst or multiple shots and then I would say they are not a Street Photographer, instead, I would say they are hopeless at Street Photography ..and own a noisy camera
The in thing now is these silent electronic shutters, I just don`t get this at all for street but some think its the best thing since sliced bread, I guess these people also recommend dressing up all in all black like ninja`s as well.
the black ninja ...that one with no hair, whatzisname, the American. He does that, I think he even wears a black turtleneck. I knew a street tog once here on dpr that said it was important to wear a suit ...made him respectable he said (grin)

I have to buy a new black shirt tho, I have a thing I have to photograph, a window and I cannot be bothered with all the pp my usual clobber creates as reflection. Lyn makes this little ant as a monogram on all my pockets ...will have to get one of them for it too, she is so clever ...I just walk about all beautiful, she does all the hard work.

Is odd this conversation, like none of mine are ever not, but today I have to research purple because it has to do with a man wearing a purple shirt ...and a gun.
 
This is really bad advice, and I'm made happier that it was your mistake.

There is a major change coming to Street Photography, the genuine Street Photographers already know it is in the air ...and I don't care how magnificent a person feels that they can troll, or make a funny regard of my suggestion, but the end of Street Photography is not that far off, and coming sooner for some (hello Frank) you will all have to adapt or else take up some other activity that includes walking ...in a city.

Besides, did anyone look at Artie's beautiful photography. He does not need this kind of help from others that don't know what they are talking about. You don't know how powerful hip shooting is because you cannot do it ...is all. It is hugely powerful but who of you knew that ...well apparently none, not one, well maybe except one or two including the OP.

Don't you like his photographs already, I do and don't want them spoilt for him and for me or anyone else when they look at them ...further and you can whine as much as you want about my use of the word "genuine" but I will speak my mind and not have it directed by a (cough) (cough) empty majority.

ant.
If you think Artie's hip-shots are superior to his non hip-shots, you should be telling him, not me.
It was your advice we were discussing not Artie's photographs (his name is right there by the way)

Oh look, you got a thumb, you must have found another street photographer Jeff ...and here of all places. Who gave you that lonesome one, surely you will get some more, hopefully will give me something to count ...lol

(apologies Artie, is about the quality of the advice is all, maybe just pointing out the inherent problem with forums, well one of the problems)
namatet

I was the one who gave Jeff the thumbs up... because I do often shoot from the hip and do recognise that while it can be a useful technique, it has its limitations. Jeffs advice was solid without condemning Artie's existing work which I like a lot

Your 'advice' and proclamations on the other hand come over as a bizarre stream of consciousness rant that adds nothing to the conversation.

Remind me again where we can see your street photography.. or indeed any of your images? Opinions without images are worthless in my book

K
 
This is really bad advice, and I'm made happier that it was your mistake.

There is a major change coming to Street Photography, the genuine Street Photographers already know it is in the air ...and I don't care how magnificent a person feels that they can troll, or make a funny regard of my suggestion, but the end of Street Photography is not that far off, and coming sooner for some (hello Frank) you will all have to adapt or else take up some other activity that includes walking ...in a city.

Besides, did anyone look at Artie's beautiful photography. He does not need this kind of help from others that don't know what they are talking about. You don't know how powerful hip shooting is because you cannot do it ...is all. It is hugely powerful but who of you knew that ...well apparently none, not one, well maybe except one or two including the OP.

Don't you like his photographs already, I do and don't want them spoilt for him and for me or anyone else when they look at them ...further and you can whine as much as you want about my use of the word "genuine" but I will speak my mind and not have it directed by a (cough) (cough) empty majority.

ant.
If you think Artie's hip-shots are superior to his non hip-shots, you should be telling him, not me.
It was your advice we were discussing not Artie's photographs (his name is right there by the way)

Oh look, you got a thumb, you must have found another street photographer Jeff ...and here of all places. Who gave you that lonesome one, surely you will get some more, hopefully will give me something to count ...lol

(apologies Artie, is about the quality of the advice is all, maybe just pointing out the inherent problem with forums, well one of the problems)
namatet

I was the one who gave Jeff the thumbs up... because I do often shoot from the hip and do recognise that while it can be a useful technique, it has its limitations. Jeffs advice was solid without condemning Artie's existing work which I like a lot
You make it sound like you have mastered hip photography, that you are the master of hip photography, that's cool ...I didn't know that.
Your 'advice' and proclamations on the other hand come over as a bizarre stream of consciousness rant that adds nothing to the conversation.
I knew you would be along to makes sense of it all, its all becoming clearer now, thanks mate
Remind me again where we can see your street photography.. or indeed any of your images? Opinions without images are worthless in my book
I don't need to show them, you already know that. I don't have to do anything you want, you know that too. What else do you want to know Kevin ...
 
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I was talking about shutter noise Ant, not image noise (not that image noise really bothers me)
lol..

shutter noise, I use a FM3a with a motor drive that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day the council did road-works outside with jackhammers.

I also have a Mamiya RB67 that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day someone blew up the rubbish bins outside ...with explosives.

Once I snapped a Canon photographer in the street with my D700, I almost had the lens on his shoulder and he still didn't hear it. Only the photographer hears it.

I never understood this conversation in street photography, I take a shot it clicks and it doesn't matter, the shot is taken, its all over and no one was hurt.

I don't get it, unless you take lots of photos or use burst or multiple shots and then I would say they are not a Street Photographer, instead, I would say they are hopeless at Street Photography ..and own a noisy camera
The in thing now is these silent electronic shutters, I just don`t get this at all for street but some think its the best thing since sliced bread, I guess these people also recommend dressing up all in all black like ninja`s as well.
the black ninja ...that one with no hair, whatzisname, the American. He does that, I think he even wears a black turtleneck. I knew a street tog once here on dpr that said it was important to wear a suit ...made him respectable he said (grin)

I have to buy a new black shirt tho, I have a thing I have to photograph, a window and I cannot be bothered with all the pp my usual clobber creates as reflection. Lyn makes this little ant as a monogram on all my pockets ...will have to get one of them for it too, she is so clever ...I just walk about all beautiful, she does all the hard work.

Is odd this conversation, like none of mine are ever not, but today I have to research purple because it has to do with a man wearing a purple shirt ...and a gun.
Lol purple shirt and gun, got me thinking of Muktar and this guy :)

 
I was talking about shutter noise Ant, not image noise (not that image noise really bothers me)
lol..

shutter noise, I use a FM3a with a motor drive that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day the council did road-works outside with jackhammers.

I also have a Mamiya RB67 that sound like the London Symphony Orchestra ...on the day someone blew up the rubbish bins outside ...with explosives.

Once I snapped a Canon photographer in the street with my D700, I almost had the lens on his shoulder and he still didn't hear it. Only the photographer hears it.

I never understood this conversation in street photography, I take a shot it clicks and it doesn't matter, the shot is taken, its all over and no one was hurt.

I don't get it, unless you take lots of photos or use burst or multiple shots and then I would say they are not a Street Photographer, instead, I would say they are hopeless at Street Photography ..and own a noisy camera
The in thing now is these silent electronic shutters, I just don`t get this at all for street but some think its the best thing since sliced bread, I guess these people also recommend dressing up all in all black like ninja`s as well.
the black ninja ...that one with no hair, whatzisname, the American. He does that, I think he even wears a black turtleneck. I knew a street tog once here on dpr that said it was important to wear a suit ...made him respectable he said (grin)

I have to buy a new black shirt tho, I have a thing I have to photograph, a window and I cannot be bothered with all the pp my usual clobber creates as reflection. Lyn makes this little ant as a monogram on all my pockets ...will have to get one of them for it too, she is so clever ...I just walk about all beautiful, she does all the hard work.

Is odd this conversation, like none of mine are ever not, but today I have to research purple because it has to do with a man wearing a purple shirt ...and a gun.
Lol purple shirt and gun, got me thinking of Muktar and this guy :)

http://www.derekpyephotography.com/item/hipphotography.html
Derek ...is very hip
 
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Hi Artie, you've had some good camera suggestions and seem to have some good ideas of what you want from a camera. I hope you can go in some stores and test out the cameras you are thinking of.

Out of interest and following the line of discussion that has developed are you going to commit to the hip technique? (Just because I have said I do not like it please do not think that's a value judgement or me saying it's an invalid technique, rather a personal preference only, as clearly stated.)

If so; are you going to continue to do it without looking until the camera / lens becomes an extension of your eye (or perhaps you feel you are there already, I'm not sure as do not know you well) or do you think you'll use a tilting LCD?

Just curious. I see you have been doing this a while after checking out your gallery.

Would you let us know what technique you have mainly been using? Lack of this info (nobody's fault no value judgement etc) and knowledge about your shooting history has lead to a couple of debates.

Also, out of curiosity, I have seen 'chest shooters' in London. They have the small camera with the small prime lens and obviously know from wherever they are standing what part of the scene / world before them their lens can grab. Quite a discipline in itself I reckon and not a bad skill to have. But they have the camera just kind of where a man's sternum is and I've noticed it is usually resting on or half hidden by a newspaper so when they press the shutter or adjust the camera position it looks like they're fiddling with the newspaper etc.

Is this a technique you use or will try out?

Also who are your favourite hip shooters? Post a link, I'd like to find one that I like, always up for having my tastes challenged.

Any update on camera decision?

I'm full of questions today, sorry if too much ha ha

@Jeff, I agree with the knees, it can make a good shot a much better one, if you have the time. I kneel, stand on tip toes, bend, twist all over the place ha ha. No value judgement, just saying it works for me better for my type of shots. I can see with the hip technique though it's all about getting close rather than angles if done well. Those sort of shots where you can 'smell the streets.' Would you concur?

@Ant - why do you feel SP is coming to an end? Just curious mate. It's not illegal anywhere except for Germany as far as I am aware at the moment, attitudes are much less relaxed than in the days of HCB and especially in westernised Anglo Saxon countries..... But why coming to an end? I ask out of curiosity and also maybe I've missed some wood for the trees and have not seen / read something pertinent regarding it. Or is it an artistic statement like 'the death of the novel?' Everyone can / is doing it kind of thing....? Even then no two photographers are the same....
 
@Ant - why do you feel SP is coming to an end? Just curious mate. It's not illegal anywhere except for Germany as far as I am aware at the moment, attitudes are much less relaxed than in the days of HCB and especially in westernised Anglo Saxon countries..... But why coming to an end? I ask out of curiosity and also maybe I've missed some wood for the trees and have not seen / read something pertinent regarding it. Or is it an artistic statement like 'the death of the novel?' Everyone can / is doing it kind of thing....? Even then no two photographers are the same....
the end as we know it, a bit vague but it is no easy thing to predict the end of something and then declare it. The risk of saying too much is that things could be further said and the process made much faster. All I can say is it started some years ago, I can get an exact date but then I might identify the source and the event isn't the entire explanation.

A more recent happening, one that I hope never discovers the other will be the undoing but even unconnected this new thing could easily be the end in itself. I'm being deliberately vague, and it doesn't help much but one day you might remember I said it. (sigh) or (lol) cannot decide which...

Germany, not illegal I think, isn't it that you cannot photograph faces?
 
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If you really have some reason you believe SP will come to an end I actuallly really WOULD like to hear it, feel free to PM me if not want to share with all.

If Ifind substance in it it could save me a lot of wasted time and effort.

Honestly, PM me, If I didn't think I could eventually get my stuiff in an exhibit / collection / my own photobook / etc I'd honestly ditch the hobby right now and just write instead. I have no illusion like some that artists should not be ambitious and not have ego. All the successful ones would admit it straight away and do. Anyhow, in contrary to it being dead in my country recently straight up SP photographer's have been signed up with magnum and have had very nice photobooks published... also the growth of SP collections is begining...

I'd be honestly very interested in this knowledge you have, seriously.
 

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