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Sony uses a CF card slot in the new 8Mp camera.
It also has sufficient wide angle on its fast zoom lens.
It may be a candidate to replace my 2 years old D7...

Jack.
 
I agree. Of course the preview didn't include any images to look at but what we know so far sounds good.
Jack said:
Sony uses a CF card slot in the new 8Mp camera.
It also has sufficient wide angle on its fast zoom lens.
It may be a candidate to replace my 2 years old D7...

Jack.
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I think the CF slot is an admission by Sony that MS is never going to get there. Each RAW shot is 20MB, which would eat up a MS in no time. The new Lexar 4G CF would be perfect for the 828.

Very impressive box, certain to raise the bar.

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Jack said:
Sony uses a CF card slot in the new 8Mp camera.
It also has sufficient wide angle on its fast zoom lens.
It may be a candidate to replace my 2 years old D7...

Jack.
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So, which will deliver the better results: true 8mp from Sony, or Fuji's 6mp 4th generation super CCD, which outputs 12mp?

Only time wil tell. I'd bet on the new Fuji.

RIL
 
Jack said:
Sony uses a CF card slot in the new 8Mp camera.
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If one were to waste their time looking, one would find that I have
participated in several discussions criticizing Sony for Memory Stick,
and all that.

But if the guys at Sony are serious enough about this camera to
put a CF card slot in it, then I can be a good sport and admit that
it looks like a pretty darn amazing camera.

I still wouldn't buy it, but, I acknowledge that it sure does look
pretty darn good.
 
I wonder if Sony is testing the waters to enter into the Pro (SLR?) camera market? The 828 has indeed some interesting features.

Lets not forget that Sony has a good reputation in the Pro video market, where it competes head to head with Canon. Maybe the could use the 4/3 consortium as a leverage. I would like to see a Sony DSLR and a Zeiss lens or two, it would keep Olympus on their toes. :)
J.

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In the spirit of "what's more do you want", too bad the 640x480 30fps movie mode needs MS. I wonder if that limitation is forced by software control in the camera? If not, a fast CF (30x) should do 640x480 30fps fine.

That and the fact the zoom is no longer powered is my only concern. Of course in practical terms, non-powered zoom is better, however I do some remote using the Sony remote, so non-powered zoom would probably not work that way.

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JR
 
I'd bet my money on the larger 2/3" 8MP over the smaller 1/1.7" 6MP. One can still upres the Sony output to 12 MP in S/W. The Fuju body loos less awkward w/o the swivel though. Be interesting to see if theit RGRE (light green) gimmick makes any real difference from RGBG. Time will tell.
ResIpsaLoquitur said:
Jack said:
Sony uses a CF card slot in the new 8Mp camera.
It also has sufficient wide angle on its fast zoom lens.
It may be a candidate to replace my 2 years old D7...

Jack.
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So, which will deliver the better results: true 8mp from Sony, or
Fuji's 6mp 4th generation super CCD, which outputs 12mp?

Only time wil tell. I'd bet on the new Fuji.

RIL
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I'd guess that Sony is releasing a camera like this specifically because they're not in or planning to be in the DSLR market.

Then again, that seems to be how tradiitonal camera companies think (I don't expect Canon or Nikon to come out with a camera like this). Maybe Sony will be different. Given Sony's ability to quickly evolve their cameras and now add features to their cameras that photographers want (fast autofocus, manual zoom ring for faster zoom), it sure would be interesting to see a Sony DSLR.

Gary
Jón Ragnarsson said:
I wonder if Sony is testing the waters to enter into the Pro (SLR?)
camera market? The 828 has indeed some interesting features.
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Definitely an interesting camera! Question is, at $1200 MSRP, is there any reason I wouldn't go with a dSLR?
Jack said:
Sony uses a CF card slot in the new 8Mp camera.
It also has sufficient wide angle on its fast zoom lens.
It may be a candidate to replace my 2 years old D7...

Jack.
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A reason you or anyone else may consider buying the sony over a dslr is the lens.

Look up what a 28-200mm 2.0-2.8 zeiss sonar superzoom would cost (if one even exists) for an slr. I garuntee it will cost a couple thousand to cover this focal range and lens speed on an dslr. Add the fact that 35mm glass is large and heavy. Sony may finally have me interested in what they're up to.........

Garnet
Leonard H said:
Jack said:
Sony uses a CF card slot in the new 8Mp camera.
It also has sufficient wide angle on its fast zoom lens.
It may be a candidate to replace my 2 years old D7...

Jack.
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Hello Jón,

be serious. Canon is no player at all in Pro Video. Pro Video starts with DVCAM and is Digital Betacam and High Def.
Canon has some Prosumer Video staff but nothing Professional / Broadcast.
Jón Ragnarsson said:
I wonder if Sony is testing the waters to enter into the Pro (SLR?)
camera market? The 828 has indeed some interesting features.

Lets not forget that Sony has a good reputation in the Pro video
market, where it competes head to head with Canon. Maybe the could
use the 4/3 consortium as a leverage. I would like to see a Sony
DSLR and a Zeiss lens or two, it would keep Olympus on their toes.
:)
J.

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and winds up being about a good 5MP equivalent....

it looks great!

Way to go Sony!

Dave - Can't even make memory stick jokes anymore ;-(
 
I see your point. It's the target audience that matters, and the prosumer market is a big one. I guess what it boils down to is what you're looking to get out of the camera. This sony will surely more then satisfy consumers with all its bells and whistles in one convenient package. But a dSLR it is not. For starters, I couldn't live with an electronic viewfinder (ugh!). It's just priced too similiarly for me to choose this over a dSLR, but one's mileage may vary depending on wants/needs.

I'm excited to see sample photos. I hope that cramming 8 million smaller photosites doesn't bump up with noise or dynamic range issues. I wish they made a tack sharp, minimally distorted zoom lens equivalent to a 28-200mm for SLRs. Such a beast can't exists however, so I'm wondering what compromises there will be in Sony's lens.

Len
uglyren said:
A reason you or anyone else may consider buying the sony over a
dslr is the lens.

Look up what a 28-200mm 2.0-2.8 zeiss sonar superzoom would cost
(if one even exists) for an slr. I garuntee it will cost a couple
thousand to cover this focal range and lens speed on an dslr. Add
the fact that 35mm glass is large and heavy. Sony may finally have
me interested in what they're up to.........
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Finally Sony becomes more consumer friendly. I am sure this camera will be a hit especially for those who loves zoom. For those like my self who docent care about zoom, and rather wants a smaller camera I just hope they will make some thing like an improved Sony DSC-S85 version beginning whit a 28mm And use the new 2/3" type sensor, and finally make it fast, and not to forget the CF.

Netop
 
I love Phil's leading comment below the Exploded View picture, "The DSC-F828 feels a completely different camera...." LOL....something all apart like that would feel different to me, too..:-)
Is it to be available in Kit for (some assembly required) a lower price?..:-)

The parallels with the Minolta A1 are interesting. The lens may be a Carl Zeise tweak of the A1's lens, T* stands for "tweak", same EVF & LCD. Differences are interesting,too...."we'll do AS and you can do 8MP-4color".

Joint design teams are not new. One team was made up of Olympus, Richoh an Kyocera to do the first ZLR, IS, Mirai & Samurai.
--
Bob Ross
 
Leonard H said:
I'm excited to see sample photos. I hope that cramming 8 million
smaller photosites doesn't bump up with noise or dynamic range
issues. I wish they made a tack sharp, minimally distorted zoom
lens equivalent to a 28-200mm for SLRs. Such a beast can't exists
however, so I'm wondering what compromises there will be in Sony's
lens.

Len
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Not a full size sample, but if you look at Phil's picture of the play back menus, there is a picture of the 717 that seems to be the one in the side by side pictures. To bad the magnifying glass icon doesn't do anything..:-(
--
Bob Ross
 
uglyren said:
A reason you or anyone else may consider buying the sony over a
dslr is the lens.

Look up what a 28-200mm 2.0-2.8 zeiss sonar superzoom would cost
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Sony (and maybe Minolta) seem to be challenging the whole idea of entry level DSLR's, in particular with lens and convenience issues.

But to be fair, a 4/3 system camera would need only somethig like a 14-100mm, f/2.8-4 lens to be comparable. At least it SHOULD be able to get away with somewhat lower speed since the bigger sensor should be able to go to higher ISO, though the E-1 has not proven this yet.

With Nikon/Pentax 1.5x format, the equivalent lens might be about 18-140, f/4-5.6; the ability to go to higher ISO is well established there, by the Fuji S2 Pro in particular.
 
Well, I wouldn't put it past them - but I think Minoltas and Sonys approaches have always been quite different. Sony have definitely taken a lead from Minolta's spec sheet though - RAW, CF, 28-200, mech zoom - they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but it looks more like they are more intent on stealing most of Minolta's customers!!!

Steve
Ross said:
I love Phil's leading comment below the Exploded View picture, "The
DSC-F828 feels a completely different camera...." LOL....something
all apart like that would feel different to me, too..:-)
Is it to be available in Kit for (some assembly required) a lower
price?..:-)
The parallels with the Minolta A1 are interesting. The lens may be
a Carl Zeise tweak of the A1's lens, T* stands for "tweak", same
EVF & LCD. Differences are interesting,too...."we'll do AS and you
can do 8MP-4color".
Joint design teams are not new. One team was made up of Olympus,
Richoh an Kyocera to do the first ZLR, IS, Mirai & Samurai.
--
Bob Ross
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