300F4 + MC1. 4 vs 100-400 side by side comparisons?

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I have seen a couple of 300F4 + MC1. 4 vs 100-400 side by side comparisons, but not very conclusive (though the oly seems clearly better to me).

Do you know some good controlled comparisons?

Thanks,

L.
 
I think we just found out what Daniel had been reading... maybe even to compare between conclusions... :)
 
I have seen a couple of 300F4 + MC1. 4 vs 100-400 side by side comparisons, but not very conclusive (though the oly seems clearly better to me).

Do you know some good controlled comparisons?

Thanks,
Imaging Resource has lab tested both lens.

Here are the links to their lab test samples



Included in the samples is one with the Panny @ 400mm F6.3 and one with the Oly @420mm F5.6
 
I have seen a couple of 300F4 + MC1. 4 vs 100-400 side by side comparisons, but not very conclusive (though the oly seems clearly better to me).

Do you know some good controlled comparisons?

Thanks,
Imaging Resource has lab tested both lens.

Here are the links to their lab test samples

http://www.imaging-resource.com/reviews/zproducts/panasonic100-400f4-63g/zz_sampleindex.htm

http://www.imaging-resource.com/reviews/zproducts/olympus300f4m/zz_sampleindex.htm

Included in the samples is one with the Panny @ 400mm F6.3 and one with the Oly @420mm F5.6
Thanks!

Strangely, the pany looks bigger. Probably taken with different cameras.

But the IQ looks quite similar at the center.

Cheers,

L.
 
Looks like all the main stores are getting shipments of Olympus 300 f4 by Monday. Best Buy says they'll have them for pick up this Friday.

Unless you've just changed your mind about which lens you want anyway.
 
20mp vs 16mp, perhaps? That could explain the size difference.

I have both lenses. I don't have a picture of a wall, sorry. Just general thoughts. After thousands of images over the past couple of weeks, I notice that wide open the PL is softer than the Olympus (or at least my copy is). No surprise here. But I wanted to state it, that as good as the PL is, the Olympus reminds me more of the Nocticron in the worst (best) way. That is, I want to shoot it with it more because that extra sharpness and stop are apparent now. They were not before.
 
20mp vs 16mp, perhaps? That could explain the size difference.

I have both lenses. I don't have a picture of a wall, sorry. Just general thoughts. After thousands of images over the past couple of weeks, I notice that wide open the PL is softer than the Olympus (or at least my copy is). No surprise here. But I wanted to state it, that as good as the PL is, the Olympus reminds me more of the Nocticron in the worst (best) way. That is, I want to shoot it with it more because that extra sharpness and stop are apparent now. They were not before.
As a matter of interest any particular reason in getting both lenses?

And how did you vote in your own poll? :-D
 
20mp vs 16mp, perhaps? That could explain the size difference.
Cool! Do you have the teleconverter?
I have both lenses. I don't have a picture of a wall, sorry. Just general thoughts. After thousands of images over the past couple of weeks, I notice that wide open the PL is softer than the Olympus (or at least my copy is). No surprise here.
No surprise.
But I wanted to state it, that as good as the PL is, the Olympus reminds me more of the Nocticron in the worst (best) way. That is, I want to shoot it with it more because that extra sharpness and stop are apparent now. They were not before.
In the pictures I have seen, it is clear that it is. To the point that the oly image looks equal to the pany after downscaling the latter to match sizes, then making the extra 100mm of the Pany irrelevant. To my eye, the difference between the 100-300 and the 100-400 is smaller than the difference between the 100-400 and the oly... But I wanted to know what happened with the teleconverter.

Thanks,

L.

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20mp vs 16mp, perhaps? That could explain the size difference.

I have both lenses. I don't have a picture of a wall, sorry. Just general thoughts. After thousands of images over the past couple of weeks, I notice that wide open the PL is softer than the Olympus (or at least my copy is). No surprise here.
But OP wants to compare Oly with 1.4x TCV, vs Leica. Not sure, but your comment gives more impression you are comparing Oly 'naked', no TCV?
 
I have seen a couple of 300F4 + MC1. 4 vs 100-400 side by side comparisons, but not very conclusive (though the oly seems clearly better to me).

Do you know some good controlled comparisons?

Thanks,
Imaging Resource has lab tested both lens.

Here are the links to their lab test samples

http://www.imaging-resource.com/reviews/zproducts/panasonic100-400f4-63g/zz_sampleindex.htm

http://www.imaging-resource.com/reviews/zproducts/olympus300f4m/zz_sampleindex.htm

Included in the samples is one with the Panny @ 400mm F6.3 and one with the Oly @420mm F5.6
Thanks!

Strangely, the pany looks bigger. Probably taken with different cameras.

But the IQ looks quite similar at the center.
Oh, no... I stand corrected.

The oly seems way ahead the Pany. The TC impacts the IQ of the Oly only slightly. I would love to see the same test with the 100-300, I bet it is closer to the pany 100-400 than the oly. Pity that Imaging Resource did not provide the same test with the 100-300.

Thanks!

L.

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20mp vs 16mp, perhaps? That could explain the size difference.

I have both lenses. I don't have a picture of a wall, sorry. Just general thoughts. After thousands of images over the past couple of weeks, I notice that wide open the PL is softer than the Olympus (or at least my copy is). No surprise here.
But OP wants to compare Oly with 1.4x TCV, vs Leica. Not sure, but your comment gives more impression you are comparing Oly 'naked', no TCV?
Indeed, but the samples pointed out by Denjw seem to show that the TC has very little impact in IQ, much less than the difference in sharpness between the oly and the pany.

Look (Pany, Oly, Oly+TC):

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsam...4-63g/zpanasonic100-400f4-63vfa400f63_gx8.jpg

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsamples/olympus300f4m/VFA/zolympus300f40vfa0300f40_em1.jpg

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsamples/olympus300f4m/VFA/zolympus300f40vfa0420f56_em1.jpg

L.

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20mp vs 16mp, perhaps? That could explain the size difference.

I have both lenses. I don't have a picture of a wall, sorry. Just general thoughts. After thousands of images over the past couple of weeks, I notice that wide open the PL is softer than the Olympus (or at least my copy is). No surprise here.
But OP wants to compare Oly with 1.4x TCV, vs Leica. Not sure, but your comment gives more impression you are comparing Oly 'naked', no TCV?
Indeed, but the samples pointed out by Denjw seem to show that the TC has very little impact in IQ, much less than the difference in sharpness between the oly and the pany.

Look (Pany, Oly, Oly+TC):

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsam...4-63g/zpanasonic100-400f4-63vfa400f63_gx8.jpg

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsamples/olympus300f4m/VFA/zolympus300f40vfa0300f40_em1.jpg

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsamples/olympus300f4m/VFA/zolympus300f40vfa0420f56_em1.jpg

L.
Hmm, different camera bodies, different resolutions, one with OLPF and one without? Let's discount that.

Both are best at f/8 and incredibly similar (on same camera body, also from slrgear):

d48e93f4af8040079e7b1d91fcbf45b0.jpg

Arg

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I apologize for not stating this initially but I was talking about the difference at 400mm and 420mm. Its obvious at 16mp, a few megapixels in sharpness wide open.

The tentative conclusion that I've drawn is that it will be harder to let go of the Oly + TC vs the PL. The focal range is at the threshold of a lot of my images (former SX shooter), and the aperture affects shutter speed for BIF and wildlife at prime times (which also affects my images, even being new to this type of photography). The general feeling that I can bridge the gap with a crop from the sharper lens without TC, and then with TC when I know the range is needed, pushes me toward the Olympus.

Yes, there are those shots at 100mm to 300mm that I want to get, too. The PL is great for this in theory, especially for stalking, zooming out quickly, it enables this type of image,. However, it doesn't matter if it's the E-M1 or GX8, I feel that the advantage of the PL for stalking is lost because the camera fails to acquire focus many times (e.g., jump a BIF, dead center of the frame in wide area or center area CAF, still out of focus). The lens is good enough for most scenarios, but I think the PL may be more useful with a higher MP camera that has better AF than what's available today, at least for my uses. As it is, 300mm is a bit tight for many scenarios, but the way that I use the lenses, it's not netting any less keepers.
 
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I apologize for not stating this initially but I was talking about the difference at 400mm and 420mm. Its obvious at 16mp, a few megapixels in sharpness wide open.
Good!
The tentative conclusion that I've drawn is that it will be harder to let go of the Oly + TC vs the PL. The focal range is at the threshold of a lot of my images (former SX shooter), and the aperture affects shutter speed for BIF and wildlife at prime times (which also affects my images, even being new to this type of photography).
I always shoot in dark rainforests, ISO2500-3200 is not uncommon. That pushes me to the Oly, too.
The general feeling that I can bridge the gap with a crop from the sharper lens without TC,
This is exactly what I expect, too, based on the test images I've seen.
and then with TC when I know the range is needed, pushes me toward the Olympus.
I thought that the TC would be a must for me, but now I don't even know it is that important. Certainly nice, but not a must.
Yes, there are those shots at 100mm to 300mm that I want to get, too. The PL is great for this in theory, especially for stalking, zooming out quickly, it enables this type of image.
Sure. Yet, I've analyzed the EXIF of all my images with the 100-300, 50-200+TC1.4 and 50-200+TC2.0, and more than 90% of them were taken at full zoom and max aperture. This means I need a faster lens more than a zoom. Sure sometimes I will miss a shot, or, better, I will have to transform it in a close-up. :)
However, it doesn't matter if it's the E-M1 or GX8, I feel that the advantage of the PL for stalking is lost because the camera fails to acquire focus many times (e.g., jump a BIF, dead center of the frame in wide area or center area CAF, still out of focus). The lens is good enough for most scenarios, but I think the PL may be more useful with a higher MP camera that has better AF than what's available today, at least for my uses. As it is, 300mm is a bit tight for many scenarios, but the way that I use the lenses, it's not netting any less keepers.
Vert interesting. Yet, more MP will give you the impression of a softer lens...

Thanks a lot for your time!

L.
 
20mp vs 16mp, perhaps? That could explain the size difference.

I have both lenses. I don't have a picture of a wall, sorry. Just general thoughts. After thousands of images over the past couple of weeks, I notice that wide open the PL is softer than the Olympus (or at least my copy is). No surprise here.
But OP wants to compare Oly with 1.4x TCV, vs Leica. Not sure, but your comment gives more impression you are comparing Oly 'naked', no TCV?
Indeed, but the samples pointed out by Denjw seem to show that the TC has very little impact in IQ, much less than the difference in sharpness between the oly and the pany.

Look (Pany, Oly, Oly+TC):

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsam...4-63g/zpanasonic100-400f4-63vfa400f63_gx8.jpg

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsamples/olympus300f4m/VFA/zolympus300f40vfa0300f40_em1.jpg

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zsamples/olympus300f4m/VFA/zolympus300f40vfa0420f56_em1.jpg

L.
Hmm, different camera bodies, different resolutions, one with OLPF and one without? Let's discount that.
Indeed... but I don't think the filter is the only reason. For example, you can even see more CA on the Pany, which also affects resolution. But I understand that there is a delicate compromise in the test by not using the same camera, that's for sure.
Both are best at f/8
There is very little gain stopping down either lens. Anyway, I always need more light and almost never stop down, so this is not relevant to me.
and incredibly similar (on same camera body, also from slrgear):

d48e93f4af8040079e7b1d91fcbf45b0.jpg
Yes, the graphs are very very close. I know what the graphs mean, but it is hard for me to 'preview' the IQ difference that my eye sees just looking at the graphs. Yet, I understand that the judgment is complicated if the images are taken with different cameras...

Interesting info!

Thanks!

L.

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20mp vs 16mp, perhaps? That could explain the size difference.

I have both lenses. I don't have a picture of a wall, sorry. Just general thoughts. After thousands of images over the past couple of weeks, I notice that wide open the PL is softer than the Olympus (or at least my copy is). No surprise here. But I wanted to state it, that as good as the PL is, the Olympus reminds me more of the Nocticron in the worst (best) way. That is, I want to shoot it with it more because that extra sharpness and stop are apparent now. They were not before.
As TNArgs pointed out, part of the difference could be related to the AA filter. To really compare the two lenses, you need to compare the output shooting with the same camera, preferable, the EM1 that has no AA filter. And according to SLRgear, both combos appear to be virtually identical in the same GX1. Look (the graph for the lenses wide open is pretty much the same):



Tough...

L.

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