James809
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Nikon has already confirmed that the 1 line will be continued
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how to make nikon 1 owners happy
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manhattanboy
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IMHO Panasonic has set a pretty high bar with their G85. IBIS, 4K, outstanding shutter, flippy screen, great RAW buffer, fast viewfinder, etc. Nikon's problem is that this is <$900 so their V series would have to be significantly better than this at the same price point to gain even marginal sales volume or has to be significantly cheaper than this with similar features. Nikon currently prices the V3 more expensive than this with less features (and they wonder why the system is not doing well LOL).
For the J series, Nikon has to decide who it is really serving. As zzzxtreme aptly points out, Nikon is being caged in by Sony mirrorless cameras as well. Given the rise of dual lens smartphones, Nikon should move the J-series upstream. The existing V3 should really be the options the J6 should have (e.g. attachable viewfinder, grip, etc.) and Nikon should keep the price at the J5 level to be competitive.
tomhongkong
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The comments don't fill me with much confidence, and in particular don't address the 'V' line. I am not interested in J without EVF. Although some believe that there might be the option on the J6 this would be once again a cobbled up solution, like the V3.
Unfortunately after the DL fiasco, even an announcement from Nikon these days has to be taken with some caution.
Tom
zzzxtreme
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I'm currently actively browsing the internet for Fujifilm XE1, XE2, A6000. The A6000 is $490 body only, $540 with kit lens + extra battery. Nikon J5 is about $50 cheaper than the A6000 kit. Olympus EM10 kit with in-body stabilisation can be had for $540 too. All those with EVF.
I hear many wishing for the J5 sensor to be in V-series body. if there's a V4 body for under $600, i'd pre-order it. tough competition from other manufacturers.
Tuonov2
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I'm happy with mine, but then again I understand the limits of the system and use it accordingly.
Michael Benveniste
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That's a very good illustration of the challenge faced by Nikon. The A6000 was announced in early 2014. So even if Nikon could produce a better packaged camera with a better sensor and bring it to market at half the price of the V3, they'd be facing an uphill fight to attract new customers.
Canon is bringing the M5 to market at just under $1000, and the Olympus Pen-F sells reasonably well at $1100+. So perhaps there's a little "wiggle room" in that $600 figure, but only if they can convince U.S. buyers that smaller is better.
Interesting to note that some of the recently announced mirrorless cameras are getting pretty large these days - Olympus OM-D EM-1 Mk II, Panasonic GH5, Fuji X-T2!
Maybe Nikon need to include at least one largish mirrorless body in their forthcoming releases.
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Thorgrem
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Hi, I am regularly reading this forum, and sense a lot of frustration.
In my later years, I have returned to photography. Fuji is my current supplier, partly, I must concede, because I love the tech (you know, all the mechanical parts of these cameras, and those exotic x-trans files). What I miss in Fuji's line-up is an 1" ILC body with some short, sharp primes/ zooms (for travel) and the adapter for the APS-C Fujinon lenses for telephoto purposes, for the lenses I have.
Slowly realizing that Fuji most probably will not deliver such a 1" system (based on their recent statements and considering product launches), I would certainly like to invest in a Nikon 1 system. Provided, however, that they create the trust that they truly are committed to this form factor, in and with all respects.
So to the point: Nikon can not only make Nikon 1 owners happy, but others like me, I think, by just being trustworthy in respect of their plans regarding their 1 system. It's simple: is it yes or is it no, and if yes, what is the roadmap? It's simple - see Fuji (and Fujirumors)
Cheers
Dan
In my later years, I have returned to photography. Fuji is my current supplier, partly, I must concede, because I love the tech (you know, all the mechanical parts of these cameras, and those exotic x-trans files). What I miss in Fuji's line-up is an 1" ILC body with some short, sharp primes/ zooms (for travel) and the adapter for the APS-C Fujinon lenses for telephoto purposes, for the lenses I have.
Slowly realizing that Fuji most probably will not deliver such a 1" system (based on their recent statements and considering product launches), I would certainly like to invest in a Nikon 1 system. Provided, however, that they create the trust that they truly are committed to this form factor, in and with all respects.
So to the point: Nikon can not only make Nikon 1 owners happy, but others like me, I think, by just being trustworthy in respect of their plans regarding their 1 system. It's simple: is it yes or is it no, and if yes, what is the roadmap? It's simple - see Fuji (and Fujirumors)
Cheers
Dan
manhattanboy
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So true.
tomhongkong
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A further suggestion.
All N1s have suffered from the lack of control points/function buttons. the original V1 required menu diving for everything, the V2 had a single function button which led to a screen with haphazard placements of things that you could adjust, the V3, which I thought would be the answer, had function buttons but what they could control was extremely limited, and I for one went back to V2 (the extra functionality did not make up for the disadvantages, for me, in other ways.
Now I know that one of the beauties of the N1 is that the automation works really well, and you can usually leave it to itself and get on looking for composition without fiddling, but sometimes you just need to make a quick adjustment.
So, something like the V2 function button, calling up a quick menu screen, with customisable options on it (but arranged as a proper menu, not just little icons haphazardly spread round the screen) should be easy to implement, need no extra buttons over the V2, would really make a huge difference to useability.
Very easy, you would have thought? Surely just software?
A V2, with J5 sensor and this change would suit me perfectly (well, a bigger EVF would also be wonderful if it could be squeezed in)
Since the R&D has mostly been done. couldn't it be sold at a competitive price?
However as frequently said, the obvious seems to escape the Nikon designers in many ways
tom
All N1s have suffered from the lack of control points/function buttons. the original V1 required menu diving for everything, the V2 had a single function button which led to a screen with haphazard placements of things that you could adjust, the V3, which I thought would be the answer, had function buttons but what they could control was extremely limited, and I for one went back to V2 (the extra functionality did not make up for the disadvantages, for me, in other ways.
Now I know that one of the beauties of the N1 is that the automation works really well, and you can usually leave it to itself and get on looking for composition without fiddling, but sometimes you just need to make a quick adjustment.
So, something like the V2 function button, calling up a quick menu screen, with customisable options on it (but arranged as a proper menu, not just little icons haphazardly spread round the screen) should be easy to implement, need no extra buttons over the V2, would really make a huge difference to useability.
Very easy, you would have thought? Surely just software?
A V2, with J5 sensor and this change would suit me perfectly (well, a bigger EVF would also be wonderful if it could be squeezed in)
Since the R&D has mostly been done. couldn't it be sold at a competitive price?
However as frequently said, the obvious seems to escape the Nikon designers in many ways
tom
tomhongkong
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It seems as though the J5 function button may already do what I am suggesting. Hurrah
Now for an EVF!
tom
Kevin Omura
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A V4/5 and a macro. If you wanted to make me ecstatic a super wide angle as well.
tomhongkong
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Oops! Now I find out that the F button on the J5 can only be set to control I function. A long way in convenience from it calling up a quick menu and giving access to several parameters (chosen to suit the individual preferences) which is what I get on other cameras. Of course you could leave the menu on the setting page so that the action of the function key could be changed that way, but it is pretty inconvenient.
So, still, either a reasonable number of customizable function keys (difficult in a small body) or access to a quick menu through the one function key remains a useful update which would make me happy
(With that better EVF)
Tom
So, still, either a reasonable number of customizable function keys (difficult in a small body) or access to a quick menu through the one function key remains a useful update which would make me happy
(With that better EVF)
Tom
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Wu Jiaqiu
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don't forget those options that pop up on the back J5's screen when you press the f button can be selected using the touch screen
tomhongkong
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Thanks.
That might work. I admit I don't know the J5 as I have no interest in buying a camera without EVF (been there, been burnt)
If that could be grafted onto a V2 replacement it would be interesting
tom
zzzxtreme
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Yeah the 6.7 is too slow. And why no fisheye?
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