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A low end DSLR and kit lens will absolutely demolish an iPhone 7 in photographic performance over a wide range of conditions.

A mid range DSLR and higher end hyper zoom will do even better.
 
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Lee Jay said:
A low end DSLR and kit lens will absolutely demolish an iPhone 7 in photographic performance over a wide range of conditions.

A mid range DSLR and higher end hyper zoom will do even better.

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Totally. And I'm baffled by the OP's suggestion that the kit lenses are "mediocre". Surely they don't work for every type of photography in every situation, but all the kit lenses from every camera manufacturer are quite capable lenses in terms of optical quality. I feel people like to bash "kit" lenses to signal that they are not a beginner.
 
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stomrunner said:
Totally. And I'm baffled by the OP's suggestion that the kit lenses are "mediocre". Surely they don't work for every type of photography in every situation, but all the kit lenses from every camera manufacturer are quite capable lenses in terms of optical quality. I feel people like to bash "kit" lenses to signal that they are not a beginner.
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Oh you heretic you.

It is a symptom of the same gear fetishism that prevails in these sorts of discussion. Any piece of equipment has a range of uses, some wider than others. And some equipment will get you the image you want, some won't. Doesn't matter if it's a Brownie, Instamatic, view camera, DSLR, iPhone or any lens on any of those.

In general the kit lens has worse quality and is slower than the box of $$$ primes your manufacturer will sell you. But it won't help you get that shot if you need the 100mm and you have on the 18mm prime. It's a compromise. Or you need it for video zoom. Or, heaven forfend, it actually gets you the images you want rather than the images forum posters say you should have.
 
I've dealt with marketing people. Besides over-inflated claims, some just live in a different reality than the rest of society.

Increasingly many of the customers that print pictures have taken them on the cell phone and a having good camera is a major selling point. Apple marketing is just doing it's job.

But most people are not that stupid as to blindly believe the claims from a corporation. Even though everyone at my work has some sort of cell phone, and a few of these have very good cameras, they know that their phones cannot touch the quality of my DSLR in many situations. Family and close friends will ask me to bring my camera when they know their cell phones will be inadequate.

Even then, most are happy with what they get with the cell phone because image quality is not as important as having the memory of an event.... and to be able to tweet or Facebook it immediately. Then there's the whole inconvenience of having to sling a camera bag wherever you go.

Now that the cell phone is better than most point-and-shoot cameras (if you do not include a flash and zoom), even I have stopped carrying a dedicated camera with me daily and rely on my cell phone.

The only person who does not get it is the boss who is up in years and does not understand technology. I don't know how many times I have explained to him that the Coolpix 20MP camera is not better than my 16MP X-E1... even though he's seen the results and knows my X-E1 is superior.... and this conversation has been going on for 6 year now :-x
 
High-end DSLR with a kit lens... *facepalm* Well, pros with high-end DSLRs better switch to iPhones :D DSLRs are dead, end of story :D
foot said:
Continuing from the thread Apple '16 keynote: "Even high end DSLRs can't do real time deep depth preview in their screens"

I think ppl are hitting the nail on the head - the competition isn't the camera, it's the kit zoom lens, which are usually pretty mediocre.

That's what I like about the Samsung NX500 - 28 megapixels and the kit zoom (16-50/3.5-5.6) keeps up quite good!

Too bad Samsung dropped out of the mlic market.
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robgendreau said:
stomrunner said:
Totally. And I'm baffled by the OP's suggestion that the kit lenses are "mediocre". Surely they don't work for every type of photography in every situation, but all the kit lenses from every camera manufacturer are quite capable lenses in terms of optical quality. I feel people like to bash "kit" lenses to signal that they are not a beginner.
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Oh you heretic you.

It is a symptom of the same gear fetishism that prevails in these sorts of discussion. Any piece of equipment has a range of uses, some wider than others. And some equipment will get you the image you want, some won't. Doesn't matter if it's a Brownie, Instamatic, view camera, DSLR, iPhone or any lens on any of those.

In general the kit lens has worse quality and is slower than the box of $$$ primes your manufacturer will sell you. But it won't help you get that shot if you need the 100mm and you have on the 18mm prime. It's a compromise. Or you need it for video zoom. Or, heaven forfend, it actually gets you the images you want rather than the images forum posters say you should have.
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PenPix said:
I've dealt with marketing people. Besides over-inflated claims, some just live in a different reality than the rest of society.

Increasingly many of the customers that print pictures have taken them on the cell phone and a having good camera is a major selling point. Apple marketing is just doing it's job.

But most people are not that stupid as to blindly believe the claims from a corporation. Even though everyone at my work has some sort of cell phone, and a few of these have very good cameras, they know that their phones cannot touch the quality of my DSLR in many situations. Family and close friends will ask me to bring my camera when they know their cell phones will be inadequate.

Even then, most are happy with what they get with the cell phone because image quality is not as important as having the memory of an event.... and to be able to tweet or Facebook it immediately. Then there's the whole inconvenience of having to sling a camera bag wherever you go.

Now that the cell phone is better than most point-and-shoot cameras (if you do not include a flash and zoom), even I have stopped carrying a dedicated camera with me daily and rely on my cell phone.

The only person who does not get it is the boss who is up in years and does not understand technology. I don't know how many times I have explained to him that the Coolpix 20MP camera is not better than my 16MP X-E1... even though he's seen the results and knows my X-E1 is superior.... and this conversation has been going on for 6 year now :-x
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It sounds like you two are in a p*ssing contest, and you can only win by him buying new gear, which is $$$ so you might have a long wait! I've had this conversation myself in the past and now avoid it since my friend is a PhD and he can always out talk me
 
StormPhoto said:
High-end DSLR with a kit lens... *facepalm* Well, pros with high-end DSLRs better switch to iPhones :D DSLRs are dead, end of story :D
foot said:
Continuing from the thread Apple '16 keynote: "Even high end DSLRs can't do real time deep depth preview in their screens"

I think ppl are hitting the nail on the head - the competition isn't the camera, it's the kit zoom lens, which are usually pretty mediocre.

That's what I like about the Samsung NX500 - 28 megapixels and the kit zoom (16-50/3.5-5.6) keeps up quite good!

Too bad Samsung dropped out of the mlic market.
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If you're a pro shooting a wedding with a camera:

1) You might get sued, and lose

2) It'll be harder to justify your (worth it) high fee since everybody will also have phones, and maybe even the newer, better phones. Why would a wedding pro encourage a race to the bottom?

And the same for the pro shooting pro-level sports (like football)
 
MDR. If you need to preview depth for each shot you're taking, I seriously hope you aren't calling yourself a "photographer".
 
tko said:
A fake computer generated DOF using an F22 lens?
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Only has to look good on a phone that is held vertically for a photo taken landscape. People using phones don't care about extreme enlarged views as old desktop slr users do. So the viewing size is even smaller than 4x6.
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No, I don't think that's an advantage.
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RedFox88 said:
tko said:
A fake computer generated DOF using an F22 lens?
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Only has to look good on a phone that is held vertically for a photo taken landscape. People using phones don't care about extreme enlarged views as old desktop slr users do. So the viewing size is even smaller than 4x6.
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Which makes it much harder to isolate subjects with limited DOF.
 
foot said:
Continuing from the thread Apple '16 keynote: "Even high end DSLRs can't do real time deep depth preview in their screens"

I think ppl are hitting the nail on the head - the competition isn't the camera, it's the kit zoom lens, which are usually pretty mediocre.

That's what I like about the Samsung NX500 - 28 megapixels and the kit zoom (16-50/3.5-5.6) keeps up quite good!

Too bad Samsung dropped out of the mlic market.
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They can do real time DOF preview in their viewfinders, and I MEAN real time - not that "what happened a moment ago" view you get on ANY "screen."
 
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